Stephen Lawrence mum's fears over murder investigation

News Shopper: Doreen Lawrence Doreen Lawrence

THE mother of murdered teenager Stephen Lawrence fears the probe to find the rest of her son's killers will "wind down" after the lead investigator retires this year.

Doreen Lawrence told the Daily Mirror she was "furious" that Detective Chief Inspector Clive Driscoll, the senior officer in the case for a number of years, would have to hand over his role.

She has requested a meeting with Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe to discuss her concerns over the future of the investigation.

Baroness Lawrence said: "I'm absolutely furious Clive is being taken off the investigation.

"It seems the clearest sign yet that the Met is planning on winding down the investigation and that is wrong.

"He is the first officer I have trusted and the only one to have delivered in the investigation."

Mr Driscoll, who in 2012 helped secure the convictions of two men for the attack, told the newspaper: " The decision has been made above me and I will always help Stephen's family and friends if I can."

A spokesman for Scotland Yard said Mr Driscoll was among a number of detectives on the case who had served for more than 30 years and had reached "natural retirement ".

Mr Lawrence, an 18-year-old aspiring architect, was stabbed to death by a group of up to six white youths in an unprovoked racist attack as he waited at a bus stop in Well Hall Road, Eltham, with friend Duwayne Brooks on April 22 1993.

In January 2012 Gary Dobson and David Norris were found guilty of being involved in the attack and sentenced to life imprisonment, after a forensic review of the case found significant new scientific evidence on clothing seized from their homes following the murder.

Police continue to hunt for the rest of the gang.

A spokesman for Scotland Yard said: "DCI Driscoll is due to retire later this year.

"The MPS has a dedicated team of detectives that continues to investigate the murder of Stephen Lawrence to bring any remaining offenders to justice.

"A number of these detectives have exceeded their 30 years police service and are due for natural retirement. As part of our succession planning and to provide resilience, new officers will join the team in early 2014 and replace those due for retirement."

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9:56am Mon 6 Jan 14

white rabbit9 says...

Mr Lawrence, an 18-year-old aspiring architect, was stabbed to death.

He was a gangster wannabe, ask anyone who knew.

I am surprised the parents didn't say "he was going to be prime minister".

Give me strength.
Mr Lawrence, an 18-year-old aspiring architect, was stabbed to death. He was a gangster wannabe, ask anyone who knew. I am surprised the parents didn't say "he was going to be prime minister". Give me strength. white rabbit9

10:53am Mon 6 Jan 14

caz b says...

We've missed you ..NOT Doreen How long has it been now? seems just like yesterday zzzzzzzzzzz
We've missed you ..NOT Doreen How long has it been now? seems just like yesterday zzzzzzzzzzz caz b

1:35pm Mon 6 Jan 14

sarfflondonbird says...

Yes, it is about time this was wound down, Madam has seen the people convicted of her precious son's murder, it';s obvious, if there were others guilty, then the Met would have caught them by now and put them up against the courts.

This woman just harps on and on and on, and its about time she wound her neck in and stop wasting police resources and taxpayers money.

As WR9 says, he was probably a lil s*** like all the rest of them, and no better than the two fellas his mother badgered to have put away.

Go and do one Mrs L. You ARE getting boring now.
Yes, it is about time this was wound down, Madam has seen the people convicted of her precious son's murder, it';s obvious, if there were others guilty, then the Met would have caught them by now and put them up against the courts. This woman just harps on and on and on, and its about time she wound her neck in and stop wasting police resources and taxpayers money. As WR9 says, he was probably a lil s*** like all the rest of them, and no better than the two fellas his mother badgered to have put away. Go and do one Mrs L. You ARE getting boring now. sarfflondonbird

1:46pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Rich41 says...

Why won't this woman just go away,she wants the police to carry on investigating her sons racist murder but last month she came out saying what a wonderful man Mandela was the same man who murdered white farmers HYPOCRITE
Why won't this woman just go away,she wants the police to carry on investigating her sons racist murder but last month she came out saying what a wonderful man Mandela was the same man who murdered white farmers HYPOCRITE Rich41

2:23pm Mon 6 Jan 14

white rabbit9 says...

Rich41 wrote:
Why won't this woman just go away,she wants the police to carry on investigating her sons racist murder but last month she came out saying what a wonderful man Mandela was the same man who murdered white farmers HYPOCRITE
Oh mandela was put in place to serve his masters the rothschilds.

I like this:

David cameron:

"In the 1980's I campaigned to have nelson mandela executed for terorism, today he is my hero"

Nelson mandela was put in place by the bankster/illuminati/
rothschild.

http://henrymakow.co
m/when_do_terrorists
_get_nobel_p.html
[quote][p][bold]Rich41[/bold] wrote: Why won't this woman just go away,she wants the police to carry on investigating her sons racist murder but last month she came out saying what a wonderful man Mandela was the same man who murdered white farmers HYPOCRITE[/p][/quote]Oh mandela was put in place to serve his masters the rothschilds. I like this: David cameron: "In the 1980's I campaigned to have nelson mandela executed for terorism, today he is my hero" Nelson mandela was put in place by the bankster/illuminati/ rothschild. http://henrymakow.co m/when_do_terrorists _get_nobel_p.html white rabbit9

2:33pm Mon 6 Jan 14

kentlad says...

i think everyone will agree there has been enough resources wasted on this already time to let go!!!
i think everyone will agree there has been enough resources wasted on this already time to let go!!! kentlad

4:46pm Mon 6 Jan 14

white rabbit9 says...

kentlad wrote:
i think everyone will agree there has been enough resources wasted on this already time to let go!!!
It's just a divide and conquer technique. Liberals love this woman.
[quote][p][bold]kentlad[/bold] wrote: i think everyone will agree there has been enough resources wasted on this already time to let go!!![/p][/quote]It's just a divide and conquer technique. Liberals love this woman. white rabbit9

5:05pm Mon 6 Jan 14

white rabbit9 says...

Mandela was made a a president because of the apartheid regime. mandela was a puppet given presidency by the rockefellors to stop the apartheid.
No one is screaming human rights or lack of freedom, any more, because there is a black man in the presidency.

Now are we seeing the same thing in America with obama? A puppet black man in place and watch all the liberals and black people worship the man yet he is no different than nelson mandela.

Smoke and mirrors.
Mandela was made a a president because of the apartheid regime. mandela was a puppet given presidency by the rockefellors to stop the apartheid. No one is screaming human rights or lack of freedom, any more, because there is a black man in the presidency. Now are we seeing the same thing in America with obama? A puppet black man in place and watch all the liberals and black people worship the man yet he is no different than nelson mandela. Smoke and mirrors. white rabbit9

5:07pm Mon 6 Jan 14

molsey says...

It is common knowledge there were 5 males in the gang that murdered SL and the Daily Mail named all 5 and invited them to sue the newspaper, they didn't.

If it was my son I would want justice as I'm sure any parent would, especially as the 3 not yet caught are known.

I would urge anyone with information to come forward, perhaps via Crime Stoppers.
It is common knowledge there were 5 males in the gang that murdered SL and the Daily Mail named all 5 and invited them to sue the newspaper, they didn't. If it was my son I would want justice as I'm sure any parent would, especially as the 3 not yet caught are known. I would urge anyone with information to come forward, perhaps via Crime Stoppers. molsey

5:55pm Mon 6 Jan 14

white rabbit9 says...

All parents have this belief that there sons are angels but are blind to the real them and what they get up to. Their is no resistance any more, we all believe we are never gonna die. Beliefs are the downfalls of our species.
All parents have this belief that there sons are angels but are blind to the real them and what they get up to. Their is no resistance any more, we all believe we are never gonna die. Beliefs are the downfalls of our species. white rabbit9

6:21pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Gypo.Joe says...

"They came on in the same old way and we defeated them in the same old way." ..Lord Wellington.

That's what happens to BNP trolls every time.

THaNK yoU
"They came on in the same old way and we defeated them in the same old way." ..Lord Wellington. That's what happens to BNP trolls every time. THaNK yoU Gypo.Joe

7:29pm Mon 6 Jan 14

white rabbit9 says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
"They came on in the same old way and we defeated them in the same old way." ..Lord Wellington.

That's what happens to BNP trolls every time.

THaNK yoU
this is a Christian country and a Christian legislature,

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Arthur_Well
esley,_1st_Duke_of_W
ellington

Is this the wellington boot you got your quote from?
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: "They came on in the same old way and we defeated them in the same old way." ..Lord Wellington. That's what happens to BNP trolls every time. THaNK yoU[/p][/quote]this is a Christian country and a Christian legislature, http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Arthur_Well esley,_1st_Duke_of_W ellington Is this the wellington boot you got your quote from? white rabbit9

7:53pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Gypo.Joe says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
"They came on in the same old way and we defeated them in the same old way." ..Lord Wellington.

That's what happens to BNP trolls every time.

THaNK yoU
this is a Christian country and a Christian legislature,

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Arthur_Well

esley,_1st_Duke_of_W

ellington

Is this the wellington boot you got your quote from?
Another Irishman !!

"the Paddies are ya daddies boi "
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: "They came on in the same old way and we defeated them in the same old way." ..Lord Wellington. That's what happens to BNP trolls every time. THaNK yoU[/p][/quote]this is a Christian country and a Christian legislature, http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Arthur_Well esley,_1st_Duke_of_W ellington Is this the wellington boot you got your quote from?[/p][/quote]Another Irishman !! "the Paddies are ya daddies boi " Gypo.Joe

8:26pm Mon 6 Jan 14

toomush2drink says...

I think its disgusting how this has had this much attention by the police over the years.
Why has this crime given much more priority and resources over other crimes ?
What about the poor old lady who is burgled and then lives in the continuos fear of a return visit from the cuplrits ?

What about the person who is mugged or attacked with the attackers never caught, do they get the same police attention ?

Doreen its time to step back and stop acting like a spoilt child, you are not the only person the police have to help.
I think its disgusting how this has had this much attention by the police over the years. Why has this crime given much more priority and resources over other crimes ? What about the poor old lady who is burgled and then lives in the continuos fear of a return visit from the cuplrits ? What about the person who is mugged or attacked with the attackers never caught, do they get the same police attention ? Doreen its time to step back and stop acting like a spoilt child, you are not the only person the police have to help. toomush2drink

8:57pm Mon 6 Jan 14

zampa says...

Doreen Lawrence told the Daily Mirror she was "furious" that Detective Chief Inspector Clive Driscoll, the senior officer in the case for a number of years, would have to hand over his role.
If the copper is retiring, he would have to hand over the files!
Doreen, give it up there is only one or two people that are really interested. The Police force is for everyone not just for you and they will also have a lot more murders to deal with. The vast majority of people have had to accept the fact that it is like a needle in a hay stack for the Police at times.

"A number of these detectives have exceeded their 30 years police service and are due for natural retirement. As part of our succession planning and to provide resilience, new officers will join the team in early 2014 and replace those due for retirement." Can some of these deal with my son's stabbing a year ago this week?
Doreen Lawrence told the Daily Mirror she was "furious" that Detective Chief Inspector Clive Driscoll, the senior officer in the case for a number of years, would have to hand over his role. If the copper is retiring, he would have to hand over the files! Doreen, give it up there is only one or two people that are really interested. The Police force is for everyone not just for you and they will also have a lot more murders to deal with. The vast majority of people have had to accept the fact that it is like a needle in a hay stack for the Police at times. "A number of these detectives have exceeded their 30 years police service and are due for natural retirement. As part of our succession planning and to provide resilience, new officers will join the team in early 2014 and replace those due for retirement." Can some of these deal with my son's stabbing a year ago this week? zampa

11:57pm Mon 6 Jan 14

tonybill1 says...

its ok to be racist against black s and Pakistani because its ok to be racist agaianst gypsy s us gypsys are aloud to be racist because until this country recognise that the gypsys are human we can say what we want treat us as equal and we will resect all others .
its ok to be racist against black s and Pakistani because its ok to be racist agaianst gypsy s us gypsys are aloud to be racist because until this country recognise that the gypsys are human we can say what we want treat us as equal and we will resect all others . tonybill1

12:08am Tue 7 Jan 14

Biffo. says...

tonybill1 wrote:
its ok to be racist against black s and Pakistani because its ok to be racist agaianst gypsy s us gypsys are aloud to be racist because until this country recognise that the gypsys are human we can say what we want treat us as equal and we will resect all others .
Say that again please. Try rewording the whole comment so it's understandable would help..
[quote][p][bold]tonybill1[/bold] wrote: its ok to be racist against black s and Pakistani because its ok to be racist agaianst gypsy s us gypsys are aloud to be racist because until this country recognise that the gypsys are human we can say what we want treat us as equal and we will resect all others .[/p][/quote]Say that again please. Try rewording the whole comment so it's understandable would help.. Biffo.

12:27am Tue 7 Jan 14

tonybill1 says...

Biffo. wrote:
tonybill1 wrote:
its ok to be racist against black s and Pakistani because its ok to be racist agaianst gypsy s us gypsys are aloud to be racist because until this country recognise that the gypsys are human we can say what we want treat us as equal and we will resect all others .
Say that again please. Try rewording the whole comment so it's understandable would help..
its easy unless you recognise that gypsys are human and should be treated equaly then you cant evaen mention the word racist can you soppy thing
[quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonybill1[/bold] wrote: its ok to be racist against black s and Pakistani because its ok to be racist agaianst gypsy s us gypsys are aloud to be racist because until this country recognise that the gypsys are human we can say what we want treat us as equal and we will resect all others .[/p][/quote]Say that again please. Try rewording the whole comment so it's understandable would help..[/p][/quote]its easy unless you recognise that gypsys are human and should be treated equaly then you cant evaen mention the word racist can you soppy thing tonybill1

12:49am Tue 7 Jan 14

tonybill1 says...

no dident think you would comment back u rub
no dident think you would comment back u rub tonybill1

12:56am Tue 7 Jan 14

Biffo. says...

tonybill1 wrote:
no dident think you would comment back u rub
You're up late, you won't get up for school in the morning. Does your Mum know you are online ?
[quote][p][bold]tonybill1[/bold] wrote: no dident think you would comment back u rub[/p][/quote]You're up late, you won't get up for school in the morning. Does your Mum know you are online ? Biffo.

10:18am Tue 7 Jan 14

camilla75 says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
Mr Lawrence, an 18-year-old aspiring architect, was stabbed to death.

He was a gangster wannabe, ask anyone who knew.

I am surprised the parents didn't say "he was going to be prime minister".

Give me strength.
I am stunned to read these comments and others. Depressing and shows exactly why the police need to keep fighting for justice and why Baroness Lawrence continues to campaign.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Mr Lawrence, an 18-year-old aspiring architect, was stabbed to death. He was a gangster wannabe, ask anyone who knew. I am surprised the parents didn't say "he was going to be prime minister". Give me strength.[/p][/quote]I am stunned to read these comments and others. Depressing and shows exactly why the police need to keep fighting for justice and why Baroness Lawrence continues to campaign. camilla75

10:58am Tue 7 Jan 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Camilla75 is the best comment on here.

Keep on keeping on Doreen.
Camilla75 is the best comment on here. Keep on keeping on Doreen. Gypo.Joe

11:55am Tue 7 Jan 14

sarfflondonbird says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
Camilla75 is the best comment on here.

Keep on keeping on Doreen.
yeah right..............h
aha
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: Camilla75 is the best comment on here. Keep on keeping on Doreen.[/p][/quote]yeah right..............h aha sarfflondonbird

12:01pm Tue 7 Jan 14

kentlad says...

molsey wrote:
It is common knowledge there were 5 males in the gang that murdered SL and the Daily Mail named all 5 and invited them to sue the newspaper, they didn't. If it was my son I would want justice as I'm sure any parent would, especially as the 3 not yet caught are known. I would urge anyone with information to come forward, perhaps via Crime Stoppers.
There is a lot of common knowledge about the whole case and everyone involved however, not all is always as it seems!!!
[quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: It is common knowledge there were 5 males in the gang that murdered SL and the Daily Mail named all 5 and invited them to sue the newspaper, they didn't. If it was my son I would want justice as I'm sure any parent would, especially as the 3 not yet caught are known. I would urge anyone with information to come forward, perhaps via Crime Stoppers.[/p][/quote]There is a lot of common knowledge about the whole case and everyone involved however, not all is always as it seems!!! kentlad

12:05pm Tue 7 Jan 14

Gypo.Joe says...

molsey wrote:
It is common knowledge there were 5 males in the gang that murdered SL and the Daily Mail named all 5 and invited them to sue the newspaper, they didn't.

If it was my son I would want justice as I'm sure any parent would, especially as the 3 not yet caught are known.

I would urge anyone with information to come forward, perhaps via Crime Stoppers.
Great comment Molsey.

I hope Doreen and the Met keep on the 3 other A holes case forever.
[quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: It is common knowledge there were 5 males in the gang that murdered SL and the Daily Mail named all 5 and invited them to sue the newspaper, they didn't. If it was my son I would want justice as I'm sure any parent would, especially as the 3 not yet caught are known. I would urge anyone with information to come forward, perhaps via Crime Stoppers.[/p][/quote]Great comment Molsey. I hope Doreen and the Met keep on the 3 other A holes case forever. Gypo.Joe

3:09pm Tue 7 Jan 14

molsey says...

kentlad wrote:
molsey wrote:
It is common knowledge there were 5 males in the gang that murdered SL and the Daily Mail named all 5 and invited them to sue the newspaper, they didn't. If it was my son I would want justice as I'm sure any parent would, especially as the 3 not yet caught are known. I would urge anyone with information to come forward, perhaps via Crime Stoppers.
There is a lot of common knowledge about the whole case and everyone involved however, not all is always as it seems!!!
What makes you say that?
[quote][p][bold]kentlad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: It is common knowledge there were 5 males in the gang that murdered SL and the Daily Mail named all 5 and invited them to sue the newspaper, they didn't. If it was my son I would want justice as I'm sure any parent would, especially as the 3 not yet caught are known. I would urge anyone with information to come forward, perhaps via Crime Stoppers.[/p][/quote]There is a lot of common knowledge about the whole case and everyone involved however, not all is always as it seems!!![/p][/quote]What makes you say that? molsey

7:32pm Tue 7 Jan 14

jay2180 says...

not this c#nt again..
not this c#nt again.. jay2180

12:03am Wed 8 Jan 14

camilla75 says...

toomush2drink wrote:
I think its disgusting how this has had this much attention by the police over the years.
Why has this crime given much more priority and resources over other crimes ?
What about the poor old lady who is burgled and then lives in the continuos fear of a return visit from the cuplrits ?

What about the person who is mugged or attacked with the attackers never caught, do they get the same police attention ?

Doreen its time to step back and stop acting like a spoilt child, you are not the only person the police have to help.
Because we should stamp out racism and the toleration of racism. The murder of Stephen Lawrence was a watershed moment in Britain. His tragic death has led to change in policing and institutional racism both in the police and more widely. In time, I hope that will lead to changes in all communities. The work of Duwayne and even more so Baroness Lawrence is inspirational. This has gone well beyond a mother and a friend dealing with a very private grief.
It takes no courage to write anonymously in a comment forum, but to stand up and take personal attacks for fighting racism when you have lost a son is beyond admiration. This is about all of us believing that we can be of any colour, gender, sexuality or religion and not be persecuted (and in this terrible, shameful case murdered). Baroness Lawrence will never give up I suspect. I wish I had an ounce of her courage. It takes such courage to change and confront the prejudices and ignorance we all carry at times. Confront yours.
[quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: I think its disgusting how this has had this much attention by the police over the years. Why has this crime given much more priority and resources over other crimes ? What about the poor old lady who is burgled and then lives in the continuos fear of a return visit from the cuplrits ? What about the person who is mugged or attacked with the attackers never caught, do they get the same police attention ? Doreen its time to step back and stop acting like a spoilt child, you are not the only person the police have to help.[/p][/quote]Because we should stamp out racism and the toleration of racism. The murder of Stephen Lawrence was a watershed moment in Britain. His tragic death has led to change in policing and institutional racism both in the police and more widely. In time, I hope that will lead to changes in all communities. The work of Duwayne and even more so Baroness Lawrence is inspirational. This has gone well beyond a mother and a friend dealing with a very private grief. It takes no courage to write anonymously in a comment forum, but to stand up and take personal attacks for fighting racism when you have lost a son is beyond admiration. This is about all of us believing that we can be of any colour, gender, sexuality or religion and not be persecuted (and in this terrible, shameful case murdered). Baroness Lawrence will never give up I suspect. I wish I had an ounce of her courage. It takes such courage to change and confront the prejudices and ignorance we all carry at times. Confront yours. camilla75

5:57am Wed 8 Jan 14

sarfflondonbird says...

molsey wrote:
It is common knowledge there were 5 males in the gang that murdered SL and the Daily Mail named all 5 and invited them to sue the newspaper, they didn't.

If it was my son I would want justice as I'm sure any parent would, especially as the 3 not yet caught are known.

I would urge anyone with information to come forward, perhaps via Crime Stoppers.
So why, and after all the years spent resourcing on this one privileged case, have the other three(by common knowledge) never been brought to so called justice to appease BDL? Why has this wonderful DCI and his team NOT managed to secure sentences on these three? Would it be because they cannot and, probably never will, find sufficient evidence to convict? It truly is time to close up on spending so much of taxpayers money just to keep our saviour in the constant limelight that she's accustomed too, because that's all this is being dragged out for. Like she's the first t black woman in the country to lose her son to murder......pft.
[quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: It is common knowledge there were 5 males in the gang that murdered SL and the Daily Mail named all 5 and invited them to sue the newspaper, they didn't. If it was my son I would want justice as I'm sure any parent would, especially as the 3 not yet caught are known. I would urge anyone with information to come forward, perhaps via Crime Stoppers.[/p][/quote]So why, and after all the years spent resourcing on this one privileged case, have the other three(by common knowledge) never been brought to so called justice to appease BDL? Why has this wonderful DCI and his team NOT managed to secure sentences on these three? Would it be because they cannot and, probably never will, find sufficient evidence to convict? It truly is time to close up on spending so much of taxpayers money just to keep our saviour in the constant limelight that she's accustomed too, because that's all this is being dragged out for. Like she's the first t black woman in the country to lose her son to murder......pft. sarfflondonbird

9:47am Wed 8 Jan 14

rescoffering says...

...one way to get rid of online viewers - keep banging on about this case... b.t.w. has doreen made her maiden speech in the house of lords yet ? ...i would take a day off work to listen to that!! ...but not yet pretty please!! ...at the moment we are earning mega bucks with roofing damage and garden fences blown down!! ...loads of £nsurance work!! - with a shortage of insurance bods on the ground!! rofl!!
...one way to get rid of online viewers - keep banging on about this case... b.t.w. has doreen made her maiden speech in the house of lords yet ? ...i would take a day off work to listen to that!! ...but not yet pretty please!! ...at the moment we are earning mega bucks with roofing damage and garden fences blown down!! ...loads of £nsurance work!! - with a shortage of insurance bods on the ground!! rofl!! rescoffering

10:54am Wed 8 Jan 14

Gypo.Joe says...

rescoffering wrote:
...one way to get rid of online viewers - keep banging on about this case... b.t.w. has doreen made her maiden speech in the house of lords yet ? ...i would take a day off work to listen to that!! ...but not yet pretty please!! ...at the moment we are earning mega bucks with roofing damage and garden fences blown down!! ...loads of £nsurance work!! - with a shortage of insurance bods on the ground!! rofl!!
Who knows you may be able to afford a new van then 'dissolved Daley', and pay ya creditors boi.
[quote][p][bold]rescoffering[/bold] wrote: ...one way to get rid of online viewers - keep banging on about this case... b.t.w. has doreen made her maiden speech in the house of lords yet ? ...i would take a day off work to listen to that!! ...but not yet pretty please!! ...at the moment we are earning mega bucks with roofing damage and garden fences blown down!! ...loads of £nsurance work!! - with a shortage of insurance bods on the ground!! rofl!![/p][/quote]Who knows you may be able to afford a new van then 'dissolved Daley', and pay ya creditors boi. Gypo.Joe

11:30am Wed 8 Jan 14

camilla75 says...

Some of the comments above could be sent to educators and public institutions. Question- .Has much changed since 1993? Think it has in society at large.
Some of the comments above could be sent to educators and public institutions. Question- .Has much changed since 1993? Think it has in society at large. camilla75

12:38pm Wed 8 Jan 14

kentlad says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
molsey wrote: It is common knowledge there were 5 males in the gang that murdered SL and the Daily Mail named all 5 and invited them to sue the newspaper, they didn't. If it was my son I would want justice as I'm sure any parent would, especially as the 3 not yet caught are known. I would urge anyone with information to come forward, perhaps via Crime Stoppers.
So why, and after all the years spent resourcing on this one privileged case, have the other three(by common knowledge) never been brought to so called justice to appease BDL? Why has this wonderful DCI and his team NOT managed to secure sentences on these three? Would it be because they cannot and, probably never will, find sufficient evidence to convict? It truly is time to close up on spending so much of taxpayers money just to keep our saviour in the constant limelight that she's accustomed too, because that's all this is being dragged out for. Like she's the first t black woman in the country to lose her son to murder......pft.
Exactly and everything you mention above makes sense only those who follow in Doreens footsteps feel differently!!!
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: It is common knowledge there were 5 males in the gang that murdered SL and the Daily Mail named all 5 and invited them to sue the newspaper, they didn't. If it was my son I would want justice as I'm sure any parent would, especially as the 3 not yet caught are known. I would urge anyone with information to come forward, perhaps via Crime Stoppers.[/p][/quote]So why, and after all the years spent resourcing on this one privileged case, have the other three(by common knowledge) never been brought to so called justice to appease BDL? Why has this wonderful DCI and his team NOT managed to secure sentences on these three? Would it be because they cannot and, probably never will, find sufficient evidence to convict? It truly is time to close up on spending so much of taxpayers money just to keep our saviour in the constant limelight that she's accustomed too, because that's all this is being dragged out for. Like she's the first t black woman in the country to lose her son to murder......pft.[/p][/quote]Exactly and everything you mention above makes sense only those who follow in Doreens footsteps feel differently!!! kentlad

6:33pm Wed 8 Jan 14

molsey says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
molsey wrote:
It is common knowledge there were 5 males in the gang that murdered SL and the Daily Mail named all 5 and invited them to sue the newspaper, they didn't.

If it was my son I would want justice as I'm sure any parent would, especially as the 3 not yet caught are known.

I would urge anyone with information to come forward, perhaps via Crime Stoppers.
So why, and after all the years spent resourcing on this one privileged case, have the other three(by common knowledge) never been brought to so called justice to appease BDL? Why has this wonderful DCI and his team NOT managed to secure sentences on these three? Would it be because they cannot and, probably never will, find sufficient evidence to convict? It truly is time to close up on spending so much of taxpayers money just to keep our saviour in the constant limelight that she's accustomed too, because that's all this is being dragged out for. Like she's the first t black woman in the country to lose her son to murder......pft.
Its happened in the past, someone with a grudge, maybe a jilted partner, will come forward and spill the beans, on one or all three of those still at large knife happy cowards. This is why the police must not close the case.

Equally, if the police did close the case that would send out the wrong message to anyone who does have information.

Simply look at knife crime today, its out of control. Do the same readers who slag off Doreen Lawrence and want the investigation closed down also support knife crime? It could be someone close to you next, in fact it's highly likely.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: It is common knowledge there were 5 males in the gang that murdered SL and the Daily Mail named all 5 and invited them to sue the newspaper, they didn't. If it was my son I would want justice as I'm sure any parent would, especially as the 3 not yet caught are known. I would urge anyone with information to come forward, perhaps via Crime Stoppers.[/p][/quote]So why, and after all the years spent resourcing on this one privileged case, have the other three(by common knowledge) never been brought to so called justice to appease BDL? Why has this wonderful DCI and his team NOT managed to secure sentences on these three? Would it be because they cannot and, probably never will, find sufficient evidence to convict? It truly is time to close up on spending so much of taxpayers money just to keep our saviour in the constant limelight that she's accustomed too, because that's all this is being dragged out for. Like she's the first t black woman in the country to lose her son to murder......pft.[/p][/quote]Its happened in the past, someone with a grudge, maybe a jilted partner, will come forward and spill the beans, on one or all three of those still at large knife happy cowards. This is why the police must not close the case. Equally, if the police did close the case that would send out the wrong message to anyone who does have information. Simply look at knife crime today, its out of control. Do the same readers who slag off Doreen Lawrence and want the investigation closed down also support knife crime? It could be someone close to you next, in fact it's highly likely. molsey

7:15pm Wed 8 Jan 14

toomush2drink says...

camilla75 wrote:
toomush2drink wrote:
I think its disgusting how this has had this much attention by the police over the years.
Why has this crime given much more priority and resources over other crimes ?
What about the poor old lady who is burgled and then lives in the continuos fear of a return visit from the cuplrits ?

What about the person who is mugged or attacked with the attackers never caught, do they get the same police attention ?

Doreen its time to step back and stop acting like a spoilt child, you are not the only person the police have to help.
Because we should stamp out racism and the toleration of racism. The murder of Stephen Lawrence was a watershed moment in Britain. His tragic death has led to change in policing and institutional racism both in the police and more widely. In time, I hope that will lead to changes in all communities. The work of Duwayne and even more so Baroness Lawrence is inspirational. This has gone well beyond a mother and a friend dealing with a very private grief.
It takes no courage to write anonymously in a comment forum, but to stand up and take personal attacks for fighting racism when you have lost a son is beyond admiration. This is about all of us believing that we can be of any colour, gender, sexuality or religion and not be persecuted (and in this terrible, shameful case murdered). Baroness Lawrence will never give up I suspect. I wish I had an ounce of her courage. It takes such courage to change and confront the prejudices and ignorance we all carry at times. Confront yours.
Nice one considering you know nothing about me,my colour,race or my family.

For your information i was engaged to a mixed race girl at the time of his death.

How about you confront your predjudices and take step back with your judgemental attitude.

Just because someone dares to question the amount of police resources given to this one crime when thousands of other crimes have been carried out since without so much as anywhere near the same amount of resources spent on them.

The irony is doreen spent years getting people to question the police and their practices but if anyone else does it, its not allowed by your own thinking.

So its ok for her to have an opinion on police practice but not me or others ?

Get off your high horse and stop acting in such a selfish way, she isnt the only victim of crime out there.
And before you jump on the racism bit take a look at how it works against white people from blacks, ive been a victim of this time after time in a former job i did even when working alongside other people of different races..

I dont recall getting this amount of police time and attention when it last happened to me.

But of course you will no doubt deny this ever happens.Seeing my colleagues being called "choc ice, bounty" etc by their own creed highlights how bad it is for any skin colour be it white,brown or black.

Seeing the racism between jamaican,africans,pa
kistani and others was astonishing but if you dont work in a frontline confrontational role you will probably never ever see this as you are so caught up in your own little bubble of stephen laurence world.

Yes she has done good but no point getting the hump because someone is retiring from their job after giving her many years of their attention.
[quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: I think its disgusting how this has had this much attention by the police over the years. Why has this crime given much more priority and resources over other crimes ? What about the poor old lady who is burgled and then lives in the continuos fear of a return visit from the cuplrits ? What about the person who is mugged or attacked with the attackers never caught, do they get the same police attention ? Doreen its time to step back and stop acting like a spoilt child, you are not the only person the police have to help.[/p][/quote]Because we should stamp out racism and the toleration of racism. The murder of Stephen Lawrence was a watershed moment in Britain. His tragic death has led to change in policing and institutional racism both in the police and more widely. In time, I hope that will lead to changes in all communities. The work of Duwayne and even more so Baroness Lawrence is inspirational. This has gone well beyond a mother and a friend dealing with a very private grief. It takes no courage to write anonymously in a comment forum, but to stand up and take personal attacks for fighting racism when you have lost a son is beyond admiration. This is about all of us believing that we can be of any colour, gender, sexuality or religion and not be persecuted (and in this terrible, shameful case murdered). Baroness Lawrence will never give up I suspect. I wish I had an ounce of her courage. It takes such courage to change and confront the prejudices and ignorance we all carry at times. Confront yours.[/p][/quote]Nice one considering you know nothing about me,my colour,race or my family. For your information i was engaged to a mixed race girl at the time of his death. How about you confront your predjudices and take step back with your judgemental attitude. Just because someone dares to question the amount of police resources given to this one crime when thousands of other crimes have been carried out since without so much as anywhere near the same amount of resources spent on them. The irony is doreen spent years getting people to question the police and their practices but if anyone else does it, its not allowed by your own thinking. So its ok for her to have an opinion on police practice but not me or others ? Get off your high horse and stop acting in such a selfish way, she isnt the only victim of crime out there. And before you jump on the racism bit take a look at how it works against white people from blacks, ive been a victim of this time after time in a former job i did even when working alongside other people of different races.. I dont recall getting this amount of police time and attention when it last happened to me. But of course you will no doubt deny this ever happens.Seeing my colleagues being called "choc ice, bounty" etc by their own creed highlights how bad it is for any skin colour be it white,brown or black. Seeing the racism between jamaican,africans,pa kistani and others was astonishing but if you dont work in a frontline confrontational role you will probably never ever see this as you are so caught up in your own little bubble of stephen laurence world. Yes she has done good but no point getting the hump because someone is retiring from their job after giving her many years of their attention. toomush2drink

9:06pm Wed 8 Jan 14

camilla75 says...

toomush2drink wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
toomush2drink wrote:
I think its disgusting how this has had this much attention by the police over the years.
Why has this crime given much more priority and resources over other crimes ?
What about the poor old lady who is burgled and then lives in the continuos fear of a return visit from the cuplrits ?

What about the person who is mugged or attacked with the attackers never caught, do they get the same police attention ?

Doreen its time to step back and stop acting like a spoilt child, you are not the only person the police have to help.
Because we should stamp out racism and the toleration of racism. The murder of Stephen Lawrence was a watershed moment in Britain. His tragic death has led to change in policing and institutional racism both in the police and more widely. In time, I hope that will lead to changes in all communities. The work of Duwayne and even more so Baroness Lawrence is inspirational. This has gone well beyond a mother and a friend dealing with a very private grief.
It takes no courage to write anonymously in a comment forum, but to stand up and take personal attacks for fighting racism when you have lost a son is beyond admiration. This is about all of us believing that we can be of any colour, gender, sexuality or religion and not be persecuted (and in this terrible, shameful case murdered). Baroness Lawrence will never give up I suspect. I wish I had an ounce of her courage. It takes such courage to change and confront the prejudices and ignorance we all carry at times. Confront yours.
Nice one considering you know nothing about me,my colour,race or my family.

For your information i was engaged to a mixed race girl at the time of his death.

How about you confront your predjudices and take step back with your judgemental attitude.

Just because someone dares to question the amount of police resources given to this one crime when thousands of other crimes have been carried out since without so much as anywhere near the same amount of resources spent on them.

The irony is doreen spent years getting people to question the police and their practices but if anyone else does it, its not allowed by your own thinking.

So its ok for her to have an opinion on police practice but not me or others ?

Get off your high horse and stop acting in such a selfish way, she isnt the only victim of crime out there.
And before you jump on the racism bit take a look at how it works against white people from blacks, ive been a victim of this time after time in a former job i did even when working alongside other people of different races..

I dont recall getting this amount of police time and attention when it last happened to me.

But of course you will no doubt deny this ever happens.Seeing my colleagues being called "choc ice, bounty" etc by their own creed highlights how bad it is for any skin colour be it white,brown or black.

Seeing the racism between jamaican,africans,pa

kistani and others was astonishing but if you dont work in a frontline confrontational role you will probably never ever see this as you are so caught up in your own little bubble of stephen laurence world.

Yes she has done good but no point getting the hump because someone is retiring from their job after giving her many years of their attention.
How do we know she is getting the hump that he is retiring? Isn't is because it seems to some that he is being retired? Who knows? She may well just be worried the others will never come to trial. And are we not all being prejudiced by making assumptions about people through their posts. You assume I am not in a front line confrontational job. I don't agree with your post. You can't argue that she is wrong to want justice because there are other injustices. Equally I agree that other such injustices i.e. a white person is murdered or victimised or abused because he or she is white deserve the same relative attention and condemnation.
[quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: I think its disgusting how this has had this much attention by the police over the years. Why has this crime given much more priority and resources over other crimes ? What about the poor old lady who is burgled and then lives in the continuos fear of a return visit from the cuplrits ? What about the person who is mugged or attacked with the attackers never caught, do they get the same police attention ? Doreen its time to step back and stop acting like a spoilt child, you are not the only person the police have to help.[/p][/quote]Because we should stamp out racism and the toleration of racism. The murder of Stephen Lawrence was a watershed moment in Britain. His tragic death has led to change in policing and institutional racism both in the police and more widely. In time, I hope that will lead to changes in all communities. The work of Duwayne and even more so Baroness Lawrence is inspirational. This has gone well beyond a mother and a friend dealing with a very private grief. It takes no courage to write anonymously in a comment forum, but to stand up and take personal attacks for fighting racism when you have lost a son is beyond admiration. This is about all of us believing that we can be of any colour, gender, sexuality or religion and not be persecuted (and in this terrible, shameful case murdered). Baroness Lawrence will never give up I suspect. I wish I had an ounce of her courage. It takes such courage to change and confront the prejudices and ignorance we all carry at times. Confront yours.[/p][/quote]Nice one considering you know nothing about me,my colour,race or my family. For your information i was engaged to a mixed race girl at the time of his death. How about you confront your predjudices and take step back with your judgemental attitude. Just because someone dares to question the amount of police resources given to this one crime when thousands of other crimes have been carried out since without so much as anywhere near the same amount of resources spent on them. The irony is doreen spent years getting people to question the police and their practices but if anyone else does it, its not allowed by your own thinking. So its ok for her to have an opinion on police practice but not me or others ? Get off your high horse and stop acting in such a selfish way, she isnt the only victim of crime out there. And before you jump on the racism bit take a look at how it works against white people from blacks, ive been a victim of this time after time in a former job i did even when working alongside other people of different races.. I dont recall getting this amount of police time and attention when it last happened to me. But of course you will no doubt deny this ever happens.Seeing my colleagues being called "choc ice, bounty" etc by their own creed highlights how bad it is for any skin colour be it white,brown or black. Seeing the racism between jamaican,africans,pa kistani and others was astonishing but if you dont work in a frontline confrontational role you will probably never ever see this as you are so caught up in your own little bubble of stephen laurence world. Yes she has done good but no point getting the hump because someone is retiring from their job after giving her many years of their attention.[/p][/quote]How do we know she is getting the hump that he is retiring? Isn't is because it seems to some that he is being retired? Who knows? She may well just be worried the others will never come to trial. And are we not all being prejudiced by making assumptions about people through their posts. You assume I am not in a front line confrontational job. I don't agree with your post. You can't argue that she is wrong to want justice because there are other injustices. Equally I agree that other such injustices i.e. a white person is murdered or victimised or abused because he or she is white deserve the same relative attention and condemnation. camilla75

10:36pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Oldchap says...

Is she complaining that an officer is simply retiring, or is there something else we're not aware of?

There is nothing to say a new officer will have any less success
Is she complaining that an officer is simply retiring, or is there something else we're not aware of? There is nothing to say a new officer will have any less success Oldchap

11:45pm Wed 8 Jan 14

mouthalmighty says...

When are you lot going to give up fighting against Doreen. If I was her I would fight even harder just to stuff it up yours. Doreen has done incredibly well for every human being. You have to admit this. I bet any money that most of you objectors secretly admire her. I wish Doreen well, whatever she decides to do in the future
.
When are you lot going to give up fighting against Doreen. If I was her I would fight even harder just to stuff it up yours. Doreen has done incredibly well for every human being. You have to admit this. I bet any money that most of you objectors secretly admire her. I wish Doreen well, whatever she decides to do in the future . mouthalmighty

12:09am Thu 9 Jan 14

camilla75 says...

Oldchap wrote:
Is she complaining that an officer is simply retiring, or is there something else we're not aware of?

There is nothing to say a new officer will have any less success
Not sure either but is he retiring or being retired? Press unclear.
[quote][p][bold]Oldchap[/bold] wrote: Is she complaining that an officer is simply retiring, or is there something else we're not aware of? There is nothing to say a new officer will have any less success[/p][/quote]Not sure either but is he retiring or being retired? Press unclear. camilla75

12:30pm Thu 9 Jan 14

kentlad says...

I wonder if Mark Duggans mother will team up with Doreen Lawrence???

The parents of Mark and the people supporting his parents campaign also need to be shot.... are you all dumb? the guy whether you think he was a loving man or not had a loaded gun....he may not have shot at the Police but that gun was obviously intended to kill someone therefore he got what he deserved!
I wonder if Mark Duggans mother will team up with Doreen Lawrence??? The parents of Mark and the people supporting his parents campaign also need to be shot.... are you all dumb? the guy whether you think he was a loving man or not had a loaded gun....he may not have shot at the Police but that gun was obviously intended to kill someone therefore he got what he deserved! kentlad

12:30pm Thu 9 Jan 14

sarfflondonbird says...

molsey wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
molsey wrote:
It is common knowledge there were 5 males in the gang that murdered SL and the Daily Mail named all 5 and invited them to sue the newspaper, they didn't.

If it was my son I would want justice as I'm sure any parent would, especially as the 3 not yet caught are known.

I would urge anyone with information to come forward, perhaps via Crime Stoppers.
So why, and after all the years spent resourcing on this one privileged case, have the other three(by common knowledge) never been brought to so called justice to appease BDL? Why has this wonderful DCI and his team NOT managed to secure sentences on these three? Would it be because they cannot and, probably never will, find sufficient evidence to convict? It truly is time to close up on spending so much of taxpayers money just to keep our saviour in the constant limelight that she's accustomed too, because that's all this is being dragged out for. Like she's the first t black woman in the country to lose her son to murder......pft.
Its happened in the past, someone with a grudge, maybe a jilted partner, will come forward and spill the beans, on one or all three of those still at large knife happy cowards. This is why the police must not close the case.

Equally, if the police did close the case that would send out the wrong message to anyone who does have information.

Simply look at knife crime today, its out of control. Do the same readers who slag off Doreen Lawrence and want the investigation closed down also support knife crime? It could be someone close to you next, in fact it's highly likely.
If that is the case, then reopen it again when new evidence does spring to light,, like police have done with many other cases. This one seems to warrant speciality treatment for some unforeseen reason, so much money has been spent and is still being spent on it, it is obscene now. If they have nothing on the other three fellas involved, then close the case. As mentioned by other comments, there are other well deserving murder cases as well as the Lawrence one that deserve more effort put into, but alas, they don't get the same preferential treatment as this woman and her ilk, whys that?
[quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: It is common knowledge there were 5 males in the gang that murdered SL and the Daily Mail named all 5 and invited them to sue the newspaper, they didn't. If it was my son I would want justice as I'm sure any parent would, especially as the 3 not yet caught are known. I would urge anyone with information to come forward, perhaps via Crime Stoppers.[/p][/quote]So why, and after all the years spent resourcing on this one privileged case, have the other three(by common knowledge) never been brought to so called justice to appease BDL? Why has this wonderful DCI and his team NOT managed to secure sentences on these three? Would it be because they cannot and, probably never will, find sufficient evidence to convict? It truly is time to close up on spending so much of taxpayers money just to keep our saviour in the constant limelight that she's accustomed too, because that's all this is being dragged out for. Like she's the first t black woman in the country to lose her son to murder......pft.[/p][/quote]Its happened in the past, someone with a grudge, maybe a jilted partner, will come forward and spill the beans, on one or all three of those still at large knife happy cowards. This is why the police must not close the case. Equally, if the police did close the case that would send out the wrong message to anyone who does have information. Simply look at knife crime today, its out of control. Do the same readers who slag off Doreen Lawrence and want the investigation closed down also support knife crime? It could be someone close to you next, in fact it's highly likely.[/p][/quote]If that is the case, then reopen it again when new evidence does spring to light,, like police have done with many other cases. This one seems to warrant speciality treatment for some unforeseen reason, so much money has been spent and is still being spent on it, it is obscene now. If they have nothing on the other three fellas involved, then close the case. As mentioned by other comments, there are other well deserving murder cases as well as the Lawrence one that deserve more effort put into, but alas, they don't get the same preferential treatment as this woman and her ilk, whys that? sarfflondonbird

1:09pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Biffo. says...

Lets all be honest here but for Mrs Lawrence and her supporters this case would have been swept under the carpet long ago. It's exposed all sorts of corruption in the Met and lets hope put a stop to it for the most part.
Some of you need to ask yourselves how would you feel if this was your child.

Now this Duggan case is a prime example of is it OK for the police to shoot someone because 'they' think someone poses a threat. Its happened in the past too.
Lets all be honest here but for Mrs Lawrence and her supporters this case would have been swept under the carpet long ago. It's exposed all sorts of corruption in the Met and lets hope put a stop to it for the most part. Some of you need to ask yourselves how would you feel if this was your child. Now this Duggan case is a prime example of is it OK for the police to shoot someone because 'they' think someone poses a threat. Its happened in the past too. Biffo.

1:37pm Thu 9 Jan 14

PaulErith says...

Biffo. wrote:
Lets all be honest here but for Mrs Lawrence and her supporters this case would have been swept under the carpet long ago. It's exposed all sorts of corruption in the Met and lets hope put a stop to it for the most part. Some of you need to ask yourselves how would you feel if this was your child. Now this Duggan case is a prime example of is it OK for the police to shoot someone because 'they' think someone poses a threat. Its happened in the past too.
The jury decided that Duggan had thrown his gun away before he was shot! For me the conclusion of lawful killing is completely right. The point here is that he had a gun. Therefore, he was a dangerous criminal, and the police were right to be worried about him. They were fully justified to shoot him.
[quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: Lets all be honest here but for Mrs Lawrence and her supporters this case would have been swept under the carpet long ago. It's exposed all sorts of corruption in the Met and lets hope put a stop to it for the most part. Some of you need to ask yourselves how would you feel if this was your child. Now this Duggan case is a prime example of is it OK for the police to shoot someone because 'they' think someone poses a threat. Its happened in the past too.[/p][/quote]The jury decided that Duggan had thrown his gun away before he was shot! For me the conclusion of lawful killing is completely right. The point here is that he had a gun. Therefore, he was a dangerous criminal, and the police were right to be worried about him. They were fully justified to shoot him. PaulErith

2:10pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Marty1979 says...

PaulErith wrote:
Biffo. wrote:
Lets all be honest here but for Mrs Lawrence and her supporters this case would have been swept under the carpet long ago. It's exposed all sorts of corruption in the Met and lets hope put a stop to it for the most part. Some of you need to ask yourselves how would you feel if this was your child. Now this Duggan case is a prime example of is it OK for the police to shoot someone because 'they' think someone poses a threat. Its happened in the past too.
The jury decided that Duggan had thrown his gun away before he was shot! For me the conclusion of lawful killing is completely right. The point here is that he had a gun. Therefore, he was a dangerous criminal, and the police were right to be worried about him. They were fully justified to shoot him.
Whilst it's getting away from the topic, Mark Duggan was a known member of a gang (gangsta) who habitually carried a gun. One of his relations provided guns to criminals

Mark Duggan had bragged he was going to murder a member of a rival gang, police had received information where he was going to be and that he would be carrying a gun

If they had not stopped him someone else would have been killed, and no doubt the police would have been blamed for not doing anything
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: Lets all be honest here but for Mrs Lawrence and her supporters this case would have been swept under the carpet long ago. It's exposed all sorts of corruption in the Met and lets hope put a stop to it for the most part. Some of you need to ask yourselves how would you feel if this was your child. Now this Duggan case is a prime example of is it OK for the police to shoot someone because 'they' think someone poses a threat. Its happened in the past too.[/p][/quote]The jury decided that Duggan had thrown his gun away before he was shot! For me the conclusion of lawful killing is completely right. The point here is that he had a gun. Therefore, he was a dangerous criminal, and the police were right to be worried about him. They were fully justified to shoot him.[/p][/quote]Whilst it's getting away from the topic, Mark Duggan was a known member of a gang (gangsta) who habitually carried a gun. One of his relations provided guns to criminals Mark Duggan had bragged he was going to murder a member of a rival gang, police had received information where he was going to be and that he would be carrying a gun If they had not stopped him someone else would have been killed, and no doubt the police would have been blamed for not doing anything Marty1979

3:08pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Biffo. says...

Yes its a extremely hard call for an armed copper to make. I appreciate that as a fact. Yes Duggan was no angel either, if he had the weapon about him I could agree with you but as the gun wasn't even in the car when he was shot is that right ? We have the Brazilian man shot on the tube was that right ? I recall another man shot in east London who's only crime was carrying a chair leg wrapped in paper. This smacks of gung ho coppers acting as judge jury and executioners. Be careful what you wish for, our freedoms are gradually being eroded.
Now I'm rolling my eyes waiting for White Rabbit to chime in, Oh Gawd wait for it.
Yes its a extremely hard call for an armed copper to make. I appreciate that as a fact. Yes Duggan was no angel either, if he had the weapon about him I could agree with you but as the gun wasn't even in the car when he was shot is that right ? We have the Brazilian man shot on the tube was that right ? I recall another man shot in east London who's only crime was carrying a chair leg wrapped in paper. This smacks of gung ho coppers acting as judge jury and executioners. Be careful what you wish for, our freedoms are gradually being eroded. Now I'm rolling my eyes waiting for White Rabbit to chime in, Oh Gawd wait for it. Biffo.

4:21pm Thu 9 Jan 14

molsey says...

Comparing SL to MD is like comparing chalk with cheese, completely ridiculous.
Comparing SL to MD is like comparing chalk with cheese, completely ridiculous. molsey

4:25pm Thu 9 Jan 14

white rabbit9 says...

Now I'm rolling my eyes waiting for White Rabbit to chime in, Oh Gawd wait for it.

Me personally, glad the police did him. Right I begin why it happened.

The police are out of control and people are totally scared to even engage in what the police are doing. The police constable vs the police officer. Terresa may (home secretary) said "we are policed by consent) This means we have a right to say NO to a police officers requests. As a police officer, which means the police are acting under administrative orders from the government called STATUTE & ACTS. Compared to police constable which he works under COMMON LAW, the magna carta. The police are now a private organization, check out companies house. If you wanna be a police man you have to sit through their tests and now you will find that they are taking on anyone who will not question LAW and PROPER authority. What the system has now is just a bunch of robots who know nothing about LAW only what their bosses tell them what to believe. If a copper doesn't 'ACT' out them orders then he/she loses their job. So a police state is what we have today and is only going to get worse and as we open our eyes to how corrupt the government and the system is the more shootings we are gonna see and the more police are going to get away with killing anyone it so wishes.

Government means in latin, Govern mind.
Mortgage means in latin: Mort= Death and Gage=Lock.

Can you see how everything is a mind manipulation? Once the people see how they are being controlled then things are gonna get real ugly. The police are going to get ugly to. The police are protecting the MAFIA corrupt government which are killing your nan and grandad through cut backs in their pensions and rising energy prices. Are we seeing the bigger picture?
Now I'm rolling my eyes waiting for White Rabbit to chime in, Oh Gawd wait for it. Me personally, glad the police did him. Right I begin why it happened. The police are out of control and people are totally scared to even engage in what the police are doing. The police constable vs the police officer. Terresa may (home secretary) said "we are policed by consent) This means we have a right to say NO to a police officers requests. As a police officer, which means the police are acting under administrative orders from the government called STATUTE & ACTS. Compared to police constable which he works under COMMON LAW, the magna carta. The police are now a private organization, check out companies house. If you wanna be a police man you have to sit through their tests and now you will find that they are taking on anyone who will not question LAW and PROPER authority. What the system has now is just a bunch of robots who know nothing about LAW only what their bosses tell them what to believe. If a copper doesn't 'ACT' out them orders then he/she loses their job. So a police state is what we have today and is only going to get worse and as we open our eyes to how corrupt the government and the system is the more shootings we are gonna see and the more police are going to get away with killing anyone it so wishes. Government means in latin, Govern mind. Mortgage means in latin: Mort= Death and Gage=Lock. Can you see how everything is a mind manipulation? Once the people see how they are being controlled then things are gonna get real ugly. The police are going to get ugly to. The police are protecting the MAFIA corrupt government which are killing your nan and grandad through cut backs in their pensions and rising energy prices. Are we seeing the bigger picture? white rabbit9

4:53pm Thu 9 Jan 14

toomush2drink says...

White rabbit i can only guess you chose the wrong pill.

As for the police shooting mark duggan, its a hard call. Going on the intel they had they had to assume the threat of him having a gun on him was real.He lived by the sword and died by it.

I for one dont feel in anyway bothered the policeman who shot him,actions.
Then again i dont live a gangsta lifestyle and get up to what this particular individual got up to.
White rabbit i can only guess you chose the wrong pill. As for the police shooting mark duggan, its a hard call. Going on the intel they had they had to assume the threat of him having a gun on him was real.He lived by the sword and died by it. I for one dont feel in anyway bothered the policeman who shot him,actions. Then again i dont live a gangsta lifestyle and get up to what this particular individual got up to. toomush2drink

5:04pm Thu 9 Jan 14

toomush2drink says...

camilla75 wrote:
toomush2drink wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
toomush2drink wrote:
I think its disgusting how this has had this much attention by the police over the years.
Why has this crime given much more priority and resources over other crimes ?
What about the poor old lady who is burgled and then lives in the continuos fear of a return visit from the cuplrits ?

What about the person who is mugged or attacked with the attackers never caught, do they get the same police attention ?

Doreen its time to step back and stop acting like a spoilt child, you are not the only person the police have to help.
Because we should stamp out racism and the toleration of racism. The murder of Stephen Lawrence was a watershed moment in Britain. His tragic death has led to change in policing and institutional racism both in the police and more widely. In time, I hope that will lead to changes in all communities. The work of Duwayne and even more so Baroness Lawrence is inspirational. This has gone well beyond a mother and a friend dealing with a very private grief.
It takes no courage to write anonymously in a comment forum, but to stand up and take personal attacks for fighting racism when you have lost a son is beyond admiration. This is about all of us believing that we can be of any colour, gender, sexuality or religion and not be persecuted (and in this terrible, shameful case murdered). Baroness Lawrence will never give up I suspect. I wish I had an ounce of her courage. It takes such courage to change and confront the prejudices and ignorance we all carry at times. Confront yours.
Nice one considering you know nothing about me,my colour,race or my family.

For your information i was engaged to a mixed race girl at the time of his death.

How about you confront your predjudices and take step back with your judgemental attitude.

Just because someone dares to question the amount of police resources given to this one crime when thousands of other crimes have been carried out since without so much as anywhere near the same amount of resources spent on them.

The irony is doreen spent years getting people to question the police and their practices but if anyone else does it, its not allowed by your own thinking.

So its ok for her to have an opinion on police practice but not me or others ?

Get off your high horse and stop acting in such a selfish way, she isnt the only victim of crime out there.
And before you jump on the racism bit take a look at how it works against white people from blacks, ive been a victim of this time after time in a former job i did even when working alongside other people of different races..

I dont recall getting this amount of police time and attention when it last happened to me.

But of course you will no doubt deny this ever happens.Seeing my colleagues being called "choc ice, bounty" etc by their own creed highlights how bad it is for any skin colour be it white,brown or black.

Seeing the racism between jamaican,africans,pa


kistani and others was astonishing but if you dont work in a frontline confrontational role you will probably never ever see this as you are so caught up in your own little bubble of stephen laurence world.

Yes she has done good but no point getting the hump because someone is retiring from their job after giving her many years of their attention.
How do we know she is getting the hump that he is retiring? Isn't is because it seems to some that he is being retired? Who knows? She may well just be worried the others will never come to trial. And are we not all being prejudiced by making assumptions about people through their posts. You assume I am not in a front line confrontational job. I don't agree with your post. You can't argue that she is wrong to want justice because there are other injustices. Equally I agree that other such injustices i.e. a white person is murdered or victimised or abused because he or she is white deserve the same relative attention and condemnation.
How do we know shes getting the hump ? Ok wrong choice of words the article actually quotes her as being "furious".

Same thing isnt it ?
So are you in a front line confrontational job ? No answer ?

It says in the article hes reached natural retirement after 30 years in the job.

You may not agree with what i said but you have not even tried to defend against anything i said so perhaps it was more truthful than you care to admit ?

You freely admit others should get the same attention but how are police resources going to stretch to us all having the luxury of investigations going on for over a decade when others have already taken up a fair amount of them ?

If you disagree with someone at least have the courage to explain why just like Doreen did.Your lack of response to various points in my post shows you dont have much of an arguement.
[quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: I think its disgusting how this has had this much attention by the police over the years. Why has this crime given much more priority and resources over other crimes ? What about the poor old lady who is burgled and then lives in the continuos fear of a return visit from the cuplrits ? What about the person who is mugged or attacked with the attackers never caught, do they get the same police attention ? Doreen its time to step back and stop acting like a spoilt child, you are not the only person the police have to help.[/p][/quote]Because we should stamp out racism and the toleration of racism. The murder of Stephen Lawrence was a watershed moment in Britain. His tragic death has led to change in policing and institutional racism both in the police and more widely. In time, I hope that will lead to changes in all communities. The work of Duwayne and even more so Baroness Lawrence is inspirational. This has gone well beyond a mother and a friend dealing with a very private grief. It takes no courage to write anonymously in a comment forum, but to stand up and take personal attacks for fighting racism when you have lost a son is beyond admiration. This is about all of us believing that we can be of any colour, gender, sexuality or religion and not be persecuted (and in this terrible, shameful case murdered). Baroness Lawrence will never give up I suspect. I wish I had an ounce of her courage. It takes such courage to change and confront the prejudices and ignorance we all carry at times. Confront yours.[/p][/quote]Nice one considering you know nothing about me,my colour,race or my family. For your information i was engaged to a mixed race girl at the time of his death. How about you confront your predjudices and take step back with your judgemental attitude. Just because someone dares to question the amount of police resources given to this one crime when thousands of other crimes have been carried out since without so much as anywhere near the same amount of resources spent on them. The irony is doreen spent years getting people to question the police and their practices but if anyone else does it, its not allowed by your own thinking. So its ok for her to have an opinion on police practice but not me or others ? Get off your high horse and stop acting in such a selfish way, she isnt the only victim of crime out there. And before you jump on the racism bit take a look at how it works against white people from blacks, ive been a victim of this time after time in a former job i did even when working alongside other people of different races.. I dont recall getting this amount of police time and attention when it last happened to me. But of course you will no doubt deny this ever happens.Seeing my colleagues being called "choc ice, bounty" etc by their own creed highlights how bad it is for any skin colour be it white,brown or black. Seeing the racism between jamaican,africans,pa kistani and others was astonishing but if you dont work in a frontline confrontational role you will probably never ever see this as you are so caught up in your own little bubble of stephen laurence world. Yes she has done good but no point getting the hump because someone is retiring from their job after giving her many years of their attention.[/p][/quote]How do we know she is getting the hump that he is retiring? Isn't is because it seems to some that he is being retired? Who knows? She may well just be worried the others will never come to trial. And are we not all being prejudiced by making assumptions about people through their posts. You assume I am not in a front line confrontational job. I don't agree with your post. You can't argue that she is wrong to want justice because there are other injustices. Equally I agree that other such injustices i.e. a white person is murdered or victimised or abused because he or she is white deserve the same relative attention and condemnation.[/p][/quote]How do we know shes getting the hump ? Ok wrong choice of words the article actually quotes her as being "furious". Same thing isnt it ? So are you in a front line confrontational job ? No answer ? It says in the article hes reached natural retirement after 30 years in the job. You may not agree with what i said but you have not even tried to defend against anything i said so perhaps it was more truthful than you care to admit ? You freely admit others should get the same attention but how are police resources going to stretch to us all having the luxury of investigations going on for over a decade when others have already taken up a fair amount of them ? If you disagree with someone at least have the courage to explain why just like Doreen did.Your lack of response to various points in my post shows you dont have much of an arguement. toomush2drink

5:20pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Gypo.Joe says...

molsey wrote:
Comparing SL to MD is like comparing chalk with cheese, completely ridiculous.
Guess who got this story off topic. A BNP tard that's who trying to stir the racists pot again.

By the way I'm Spartacus.
[quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: Comparing SL to MD is like comparing chalk with cheese, completely ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Guess who got this story off topic. A BNP tard that's who trying to stir the racists pot again. By the way I'm Spartacus. Gypo.Joe

6:08pm Thu 9 Jan 14

white rabbit9 says...

White rabbit i can only guess you chose the wrong pill.

What pill would that be?
White rabbit i can only guess you chose the wrong pill. What pill would that be? white rabbit9

6:16pm Thu 9 Jan 14

camilla75 says...

toomush2drink wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
toomush2drink wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
toomush2drink wrote:
I think its disgusting how this has had this much attention by the police over the years.
Why has this crime given much more priority and resources over other crimes ?
What about the poor old lady who is burgled and then lives in the continuos fear of a return visit from the cuplrits ?

What about the person who is mugged or attacked with the attackers never caught, do they get the same police attention ?

Doreen its time to step back and stop acting like a spoilt child, you are not the only person the police have to help.
Because we should stamp out racism and the toleration of racism. The murder of Stephen Lawrence was a watershed moment in Britain. His tragic death has led to change in policing and institutional racism both in the police and more widely. In time, I hope that will lead to changes in all communities. The work of Duwayne and even more so Baroness Lawrence is inspirational. This has gone well beyond a mother and a friend dealing with a very private grief.
It takes no courage to write anonymously in a comment forum, but to stand up and take personal attacks for fighting racism when you have lost a son is beyond admiration. This is about all of us believing that we can be of any colour, gender, sexuality or religion and not be persecuted (and in this terrible, shameful case murdered). Baroness Lawrence will never give up I suspect. I wish I had an ounce of her courage. It takes such courage to change and confront the prejudices and ignorance we all carry at times. Confront yours.
Nice one considering you know nothing about me,my colour,race or my family.

For your information i was engaged to a mixed race girl at the time of his death.

How about you confront your predjudices and take step back with your judgemental attitude.

Just because someone dares to question the amount of police resources given to this one crime when thousands of other crimes have been carried out since without so much as anywhere near the same amount of resources spent on them.

The irony is doreen spent years getting people to question the police and their practices but if anyone else does it, its not allowed by your own thinking.

So its ok for her to have an opinion on police practice but not me or others ?

Get off your high horse and stop acting in such a selfish way, she isnt the only victim of crime out there.
And before you jump on the racism bit take a look at how it works against white people from blacks, ive been a victim of this time after time in a former job i did even when working alongside other people of different races..

I dont recall getting this amount of police time and attention when it last happened to me.

But of course you will no doubt deny this ever happens.Seeing my colleagues being called "choc ice, bounty" etc by their own creed highlights how bad it is for any skin colour be it white,brown or black.

Seeing the racism between jamaican,africans,pa



kistani and others was astonishing but if you dont work in a frontline confrontational role you will probably never ever see this as you are so caught up in your own little bubble of stephen laurence world.

Yes she has done good but no point getting the hump because someone is retiring from their job after giving her many years of their attention.
How do we know she is getting the hump that he is retiring? Isn't is because it seems to some that he is being retired? Who knows? She may well just be worried the others will never come to trial. And are we not all being prejudiced by making assumptions about people through their posts. You assume I am not in a front line confrontational job. I don't agree with your post. You can't argue that she is wrong to want justice because there are other injustices. Equally I agree that other such injustices i.e. a white person is murdered or victimised or abused because he or she is white deserve the same relative attention and condemnation.
How do we know shes getting the hump ? Ok wrong choice of words the article actually quotes her as being "furious".

Same thing isnt it ?
So are you in a front line confrontational job ? No answer ?

It says in the article hes reached natural retirement after 30 years in the job.

You may not agree with what i said but you have not even tried to defend against anything i said so perhaps it was more truthful than you care to admit ?

You freely admit others should get the same attention but how are police resources going to stretch to us all having the luxury of investigations going on for over a decade when others have already taken up a fair amount of them ?

If you disagree with someone at least have the courage to explain why just like Doreen did.Your lack of response to various points in my post shows you dont have much of an arguement.
It wasn't worth it frankly. Because I had already explained my 'arguement' ( no e).
[quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: I think its disgusting how this has had this much attention by the police over the years. Why has this crime given much more priority and resources over other crimes ? What about the poor old lady who is burgled and then lives in the continuos fear of a return visit from the cuplrits ? What about the person who is mugged or attacked with the attackers never caught, do they get the same police attention ? Doreen its time to step back and stop acting like a spoilt child, you are not the only person the police have to help.[/p][/quote]Because we should stamp out racism and the toleration of racism. The murder of Stephen Lawrence was a watershed moment in Britain. His tragic death has led to change in policing and institutional racism both in the police and more widely. In time, I hope that will lead to changes in all communities. The work of Duwayne and even more so Baroness Lawrence is inspirational. This has gone well beyond a mother and a friend dealing with a very private grief. It takes no courage to write anonymously in a comment forum, but to stand up and take personal attacks for fighting racism when you have lost a son is beyond admiration. This is about all of us believing that we can be of any colour, gender, sexuality or religion and not be persecuted (and in this terrible, shameful case murdered). Baroness Lawrence will never give up I suspect. I wish I had an ounce of her courage. It takes such courage to change and confront the prejudices and ignorance we all carry at times. Confront yours.[/p][/quote]Nice one considering you know nothing about me,my colour,race or my family. For your information i was engaged to a mixed race girl at the time of his death. How about you confront your predjudices and take step back with your judgemental attitude. Just because someone dares to question the amount of police resources given to this one crime when thousands of other crimes have been carried out since without so much as anywhere near the same amount of resources spent on them. The irony is doreen spent years getting people to question the police and their practices but if anyone else does it, its not allowed by your own thinking. So its ok for her to have an opinion on police practice but not me or others ? Get off your high horse and stop acting in such a selfish way, she isnt the only victim of crime out there. And before you jump on the racism bit take a look at how it works against white people from blacks, ive been a victim of this time after time in a former job i did even when working alongside other people of different races.. I dont recall getting this amount of police time and attention when it last happened to me. But of course you will no doubt deny this ever happens.Seeing my colleagues being called "choc ice, bounty" etc by their own creed highlights how bad it is for any skin colour be it white,brown or black. Seeing the racism between jamaican,africans,pa kistani and others was astonishing but if you dont work in a frontline confrontational role you will probably never ever see this as you are so caught up in your own little bubble of stephen laurence world. Yes she has done good but no point getting the hump because someone is retiring from their job after giving her many years of their attention.[/p][/quote]How do we know she is getting the hump that he is retiring? Isn't is because it seems to some that he is being retired? Who knows? She may well just be worried the others will never come to trial. And are we not all being prejudiced by making assumptions about people through their posts. You assume I am not in a front line confrontational job. I don't agree with your post. You can't argue that she is wrong to want justice because there are other injustices. Equally I agree that other such injustices i.e. a white person is murdered or victimised or abused because he or she is white deserve the same relative attention and condemnation.[/p][/quote]How do we know shes getting the hump ? Ok wrong choice of words the article actually quotes her as being "furious". Same thing isnt it ? So are you in a front line confrontational job ? No answer ? It says in the article hes reached natural retirement after 30 years in the job. You may not agree with what i said but you have not even tried to defend against anything i said so perhaps it was more truthful than you care to admit ? You freely admit others should get the same attention but how are police resources going to stretch to us all having the luxury of investigations going on for over a decade when others have already taken up a fair amount of them ? If you disagree with someone at least have the courage to explain why just like Doreen did.Your lack of response to various points in my post shows you dont have much of an arguement.[/p][/quote]It wasn't worth it frankly. Because I had already explained my 'arguement' ( no e). camilla75

7:58pm Thu 9 Jan 14

toomush2drink says...

camilla75 wrote:
toomush2drink wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
toomush2drink wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
toomush2drink wrote:
I think its disgusting how this has had this much attention by the police over the years.
Why has this crime given much more priority and resources over other crimes ?
What about the poor old lady who is burgled and then lives in the continuos fear of a return visit from the cuplrits ?

What about the person who is mugged or attacked with the attackers never caught, do they get the same police attention ?

Doreen its time to step back and stop acting like a spoilt child, you are not the only person the police have to help.
Because we should stamp out racism and the toleration of racism. The murder of Stephen Lawrence was a watershed moment in Britain. His tragic death has led to change in policing and institutional racism both in the police and more widely. In time, I hope that will lead to changes in all communities. The work of Duwayne and even more so Baroness Lawrence is inspirational. This has gone well beyond a mother and a friend dealing with a very private grief.
It takes no courage to write anonymously in a comment forum, but to stand up and take personal attacks for fighting racism when you have lost a son is beyond admiration. This is about all of us believing that we can be of any colour, gender, sexuality or religion and not be persecuted (and in this terrible, shameful case murdered). Baroness Lawrence will never give up I suspect. I wish I had an ounce of her courage. It takes such courage to change and confront the prejudices and ignorance we all carry at times. Confront yours.
Nice one considering you know nothing about me,my colour,race or my family.

For your information i was engaged to a mixed race girl at the time of his death.

How about you confront your predjudices and take step back with your judgemental attitude.

Just because someone dares to question the amount of police resources given to this one crime when thousands of other crimes have been carried out since without so much as anywhere near the same amount of resources spent on them.

The irony is doreen spent years getting people to question the police and their practices but if anyone else does it, its not allowed by your own thinking.

So its ok for her to have an opinion on police practice but not me or others ?

Get off your high horse and stop acting in such a selfish way, she isnt the only victim of crime out there.
And before you jump on the racism bit take a look at how it works against white people from blacks, ive been a victim of this time after time in a former job i did even when working alongside other people of different races..

I dont recall getting this amount of police time and attention when it last happened to me.

But of course you will no doubt deny this ever happens.Seeing my colleagues being called "choc ice, bounty" etc by their own creed highlights how bad it is for any skin colour be it white,brown or black.

Seeing the racism between jamaican,africans,pa




kistani and others was astonishing but if you dont work in a frontline confrontational role you will probably never ever see this as you are so caught up in your own little bubble of stephen laurence world.

Yes she has done good but no point getting the hump because someone is retiring from their job after giving her many years of their attention.
How do we know she is getting the hump that he is retiring? Isn't is because it seems to some that he is being retired? Who knows? She may well just be worried the others will never come to trial. And are we not all being prejudiced by making assumptions about people through their posts. You assume I am not in a front line confrontational job. I don't agree with your post. You can't argue that she is wrong to want justice because there are other injustices. Equally I agree that other such injustices i.e. a white person is murdered or victimised or abused because he or she is white deserve the same relative attention and condemnation.
How do we know shes getting the hump ? Ok wrong choice of words the article actually quotes her as being "furious".

Same thing isnt it ?
So are you in a front line confrontational job ? No answer ?

It says in the article hes reached natural retirement after 30 years in the job.

You may not agree with what i said but you have not even tried to defend against anything i said so perhaps it was more truthful than you care to admit ?

You freely admit others should get the same attention but how are police resources going to stretch to us all having the luxury of investigations going on for over a decade when others have already taken up a fair amount of them ?

If you disagree with someone at least have the courage to explain why just like Doreen did.Your lack of response to various points in my post shows you dont have much of an arguement.
It wasn't worth it frankly. Because I had already explained my 'arguement' ( no e).
Enough said really, no response to a single point.
[quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toomush2drink[/bold] wrote: I think its disgusting how this has had this much attention by the police over the years. Why has this crime given much more priority and resources over other crimes ? What about the poor old lady who is burgled and then lives in the continuos fear of a return visit from the cuplrits ? What about the person who is mugged or attacked with the attackers never caught, do they get the same police attention ? Doreen its time to step back and stop acting like a spoilt child, you are not the only person the police have to help.[/p][/quote]Because we should stamp out racism and the toleration of racism. The murder of Stephen Lawrence was a watershed moment in Britain. His tragic death has led to change in policing and institutional racism both in the police and more widely. In time, I hope that will lead to changes in all communities. The work of Duwayne and even more so Baroness Lawrence is inspirational. This has gone well beyond a mother and a friend dealing with a very private grief. It takes no courage to write anonymously in a comment forum, but to stand up and take personal attacks for fighting racism when you have lost a son is beyond admiration. This is about all of us believing that we can be of any colour, gender, sexuality or religion and not be persecuted (and in this terrible, shameful case murdered). Baroness Lawrence will never give up I suspect. I wish I had an ounce of her courage. It takes such courage to change and confront the prejudices and ignorance we all carry at times. Confront yours.[/p][/quote]Nice one considering you know nothing about me,my colour,race or my family. For your information i was engaged to a mixed race girl at the time of his death. How about you confront your predjudices and take step back with your judgemental attitude. Just because someone dares to question the amount of police resources given to this one crime when thousands of other crimes have been carried out since without so much as anywhere near the same amount of resources spent on them. The irony is doreen spent years getting people to question the police and their practices but if anyone else does it, its not allowed by your own thinking. So its ok for her to have an opinion on police practice but not me or others ? Get off your high horse and stop acting in such a selfish way, she isnt the only victim of crime out there. And before you jump on the racism bit take a look at how it works against white people from blacks, ive been a victim of this time after time in a former job i did even when working alongside other people of different races.. I dont recall getting this amount of police time and attention when it last happened to me. But of course you will no doubt deny this ever happens.Seeing my colleagues being called "choc ice, bounty" etc by their own creed highlights how bad it is for any skin colour be it white,brown or black. Seeing the racism between jamaican,africans,pa kistani and others was astonishing but if you dont work in a frontline confrontational role you will probably never ever see this as you are so caught up in your own little bubble of stephen laurence world. Yes she has done good but no point getting the hump because someone is retiring from their job after giving her many years of their attention.[/p][/quote]How do we know she is getting the hump that he is retiring? Isn't is because it seems to some that he is being retired? Who knows? She may well just be worried the others will never come to trial. And are we not all being prejudiced by making assumptions about people through their posts. You assume I am not in a front line confrontational job. I don't agree with your post. You can't argue that she is wrong to want justice because there are other injustices. Equally I agree that other such injustices i.e. a white person is murdered or victimised or abused because he or she is white deserve the same relative attention and condemnation.[/p][/quote]How do we know shes getting the hump ? Ok wrong choice of words the article actually quotes her as being "furious". Same thing isnt it ? So are you in a front line confrontational job ? No answer ? It says in the article hes reached natural retirement after 30 years in the job. You may not agree with what i said but you have not even tried to defend against anything i said so perhaps it was more truthful than you care to admit ? You freely admit others should get the same attention but how are police resources going to stretch to us all having the luxury of investigations going on for over a decade when others have already taken up a fair amount of them ? If you disagree with someone at least have the courage to explain why just like Doreen did.Your lack of response to various points in my post shows you dont have much of an arguement.[/p][/quote]It wasn't worth it frankly. Because I had already explained my 'arguement' ( no e).[/p][/quote]Enough said really, no response to a single point. toomush2drink

11:17am Fri 10 Jan 14

molsey says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
White rabbit i can only guess you chose the wrong pill.

What pill would that be?
The male birth pill you put in your shoe, it makes you limp.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: White rabbit i can only guess you chose the wrong pill. What pill would that be?[/p][/quote]The male birth pill you put in your shoe, it makes you limp. molsey

12:28pm Fri 10 Jan 14

white rabbit9 says...

molsey wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
White rabbit i can only guess you chose the wrong pill.

What pill would that be?
The male birth pill you put in your shoe, it makes you limp.
Then you read the instructions wrong. DOH!
[quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: White rabbit i can only guess you chose the wrong pill. What pill would that be?[/p][/quote]The male birth pill you put in your shoe, it makes you limp.[/p][/quote]Then you read the instructions wrong. DOH! white rabbit9

12:30pm Fri 10 Jan 14

kentlad says...

Biffo. wrote:
Lets all be honest here but for Mrs Lawrence and her supporters this case would have been swept under the carpet long ago. It's exposed all sorts of corruption in the Met and lets hope put a stop to it for the most part. Some of you need to ask yourselves how would you feel if this was your child. Now this Duggan case is a prime example of is it OK for the police to shoot someone because 'they' think someone poses a threat. Its happened in the past too.
So what if he never had the Gun on him when he was shot, a gun was found and if he wasnt shot that loaded weapon would have been used to target someone else maybe a gang rival or some inocent bystander. Because of this reason alone i think the scum bag deserved to be shot and the police prevented someone else from being murdered!!!
[quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: Lets all be honest here but for Mrs Lawrence and her supporters this case would have been swept under the carpet long ago. It's exposed all sorts of corruption in the Met and lets hope put a stop to it for the most part. Some of you need to ask yourselves how would you feel if this was your child. Now this Duggan case is a prime example of is it OK for the police to shoot someone because 'they' think someone poses a threat. Its happened in the past too.[/p][/quote]So what if he never had the Gun on him when he was shot, a gun was found and if he wasnt shot that loaded weapon would have been used to target someone else maybe a gang rival or some inocent bystander. Because of this reason alone i think the scum bag deserved to be shot and the police prevented someone else from being murdered!!! kentlad

1:37pm Fri 10 Jan 14

sarfflondonbird says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
White rabbit i can only guess you chose the wrong pill.

What pill would that be?
Not the good one that sends your mind reeling............l
ong may you continue.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: White rabbit i can only guess you chose the wrong pill. What pill would that be?[/p][/quote]Not the good one that sends your mind reeling............l ong may you continue. sarfflondonbird

1:38pm Fri 10 Jan 14

sarfflondonbird says...

Look at the face on that by the way.................
...........It means business. lol.
Look at the face on that by the way................. ...........It means business. lol. sarfflondonbird

11:00pm Fri 10 Jan 14

jaded1 says...

Is Doreen now deciding when police can retire and which ones work on particular cases? With great power comes great responsibility.
Is Doreen now deciding when police can retire and which ones work on particular cases? With great power comes great responsibility. jaded1

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