Eltham College economics teacher had 'inappropriate relationship' with pupil

News Shopper: 'Too involved' - Hester Barsham-Rolfe 'Too involved' - Hester Barsham-Rolfe

AN ELTHAM College economics teacher has been hauled before a disciplinary panel after an "inappropriate relationship" with one of her pupils.

A professional conduct panel heard that Ms Barsham-Rolfe, a former News International finance worker who joined the school in 2010, struck up the relationship with a 17-year-old student.

The pair exchanged numerous messages via Facebook, email and text, also meeting alone outside of school to go running together.

Ms Barsham-Rolfe, described in the panel report as "a good teacher with a promising future", was eventually confronted by the boys parents and agreed to stop non-essential contact with him.

But the messages continued and she was suspended from the school in April.

The panel heard she has since accepted the relationship was inappropriate, and there is no allegation it was sexual in nature.

And the panel did not recommend imposing a prohibition order, concluding that the teacher did not pose a risk to children, had shown remorse and had simply "became too involved with supporting her student emotionally".

Comments (121)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

11:42am Fri 27 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

Lucky lad.
Lucky lad. Biffo.

12:39pm Fri 27 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.
Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes. white rabbit9

11:42pm Fri 27 Dec 13

molsey says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.
But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this?
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.[/p][/quote]But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this? molsey

11:58pm Fri 27 Dec 13

Indigenous UK Pensioner. says...

SHe should be deported, str8t rund mi howse.

THAnk yoU
SHe should be deported, str8t rund mi howse. THAnk yoU Indigenous UK Pensioner.

8:12am Sat 28 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

molsey wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.
But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this?
Life is just an experience, we are just biological robots experiencing a duality. If these humans wish to explore their love for each other who are any to say no? We talk about morals but where are the morals? where is the outrage to what is happening to our pensioners when the government cuts money to keep them warm over the winter? Why aren't people shouting about that moral outrage? All this is is a distraction to keep us away from what goes on, like a magician do a slight of hand trick, keeps you focused over there! when pulling a very simple pull here. Hope this answers your question.
[quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.[/p][/quote]But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this?[/p][/quote]Life is just an experience, we are just biological robots experiencing a duality. If these humans wish to explore their love for each other who are any to say no? We talk about morals but where are the morals? where is the outrage to what is happening to our pensioners when the government cuts money to keep them warm over the winter? Why aren't people shouting about that moral outrage? All this is is a distraction to keep us away from what goes on, like a magician do a slight of hand trick, keeps you focused over there! when pulling a very simple pull here. Hope this answers your question. white rabbit9

6:32pm Sat 28 Dec 13

janice1980 says...

White rabbit you really are quite angry and very antiestablishment! The point is that she is in a position of authority. Yes he can do what he likes but she as a trusted teacher should not form inapproprite relationships with pupils, same as nurses/doctors can not with their patients. Professionals are governed by rules and regulations and should not cross boundaries. Thank god you do not make the rules there would be anarchy on the streets!
White rabbit you really are quite angry and very antiestablishment! The point is that she is in a position of authority. Yes he can do what he likes but she as a trusted teacher should not form inapproprite relationships with pupils, same as nurses/doctors can not with their patients. Professionals are governed by rules and regulations and should not cross boundaries. Thank god you do not make the rules there would be anarchy on the streets! janice1980

7:27pm Sat 28 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

Wonder how people would have commented if this had been about a male teacher and a 17 year old female student? Would someone have posted 'lucky' or would the behaviour be more easily recognised as highly inappropriate?
Good that this was dealt with by GTC and that there are such regulations.
Wonder how people would have commented if this had been about a male teacher and a 17 year old female student? Would someone have posted 'lucky' or would the behaviour be more easily recognised as highly inappropriate? Good that this was dealt with by GTC and that there are such regulations. camilla75

9:52pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

I'd be a willing student miss Hester the molester.

Not 'arf.
I'd be a willing student miss Hester the molester. Not 'arf. Biffo.

11:39pm Sat 28 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

janice1980 wrote:
White rabbit you really are quite angry and very antiestablishment! The point is that she is in a position of authority. Yes he can do what he likes but she as a trusted teacher should not form inapproprite relationships with pupils, same as nurses/doctors can not with their patients. Professionals are governed by rules and regulations and should not cross boundaries. Thank god you do not make the rules there would be anarchy on the streets!
Their would be love on the streets.

WE ARE HUMANS NOT ROBOTS. The point to life is to experience and experience whether good or bad the situation, everything is a learning experience. Enjoy life. do you really believe that all we came to do when we come through the womb is just work for a system of control and control us with their fake illusions of power? You must of gone to cambridge university and graduated. lol The system must be laughing, 'we got another robot working in our illusional system". "We create it all and these idiots suck it all up, shall we have another war?".
[quote][p][bold]janice1980[/bold] wrote: White rabbit you really are quite angry and very antiestablishment! The point is that she is in a position of authority. Yes he can do what he likes but she as a trusted teacher should not form inapproprite relationships with pupils, same as nurses/doctors can not with their patients. Professionals are governed by rules and regulations and should not cross boundaries. Thank god you do not make the rules there would be anarchy on the streets![/p][/quote]Their would be love on the streets. WE ARE HUMANS NOT ROBOTS. The point to life is to experience and experience whether good or bad the situation, everything is a learning experience. Enjoy life. do you really believe that all we came to do when we come through the womb is just work for a system of control and control us with their fake illusions of power? You must of gone to cambridge university and graduated. lol The system must be laughing, 'we got another robot working in our illusional system". "We create it all and these idiots suck it all up, shall we have another war?". white rabbit9

11:43pm Sat 28 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

camilla75 wrote:
Wonder how people would have commented if this had been about a male teacher and a 17 year old female student? Would someone have posted 'lucky' or would the behaviour be more easily recognised as highly inappropriate?
Good that this was dealt with by GTC and that there are such regulations.
Maybe we should be like the pakistans, where they marry their daughters off. Stop controlling the world and let people live the lives they wanna live as long as they are not hurting anyone.
[quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: Wonder how people would have commented if this had been about a male teacher and a 17 year old female student? Would someone have posted 'lucky' or would the behaviour be more easily recognised as highly inappropriate? Good that this was dealt with by GTC and that there are such regulations.[/p][/quote]Maybe we should be like the pakistans, where they marry their daughters off. Stop controlling the world and let people live the lives they wanna live as long as they are not hurting anyone. white rabbit9

12:05am Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

janice1980 wrote:
White rabbit you really are quite angry and very antiestablishment! The point is that she is in a position of authority. Yes he can do what he likes but she as a trusted teacher should not form inapproprite relationships with pupils, same as nurses/doctors can not with their patients. Professionals are governed by rules and regulations and should not cross boundaries. Thank god you do not make the rules there would be anarchy on the streets!
I for one am happy I am not allowed to form an inappropriate relationship with White Rabbit...

I agree, what this teacher did was totally wrong; although not quite as bad as child molestation, she abused a position of power and more importantly trust. Oddly, it is the gender reversal of the Jeremy Forrest episode, which the general public found unacceptable. One could almost be forgiven for thinking that those who see this story as 'nothing' as Sexists and possibly misogynistic - oh wait, they are.
[quote][p][bold]janice1980[/bold] wrote: White rabbit you really are quite angry and very antiestablishment! The point is that she is in a position of authority. Yes he can do what he likes but she as a trusted teacher should not form inapproprite relationships with pupils, same as nurses/doctors can not with their patients. Professionals are governed by rules and regulations and should not cross boundaries. Thank god you do not make the rules there would be anarchy on the streets![/p][/quote]I for one am happy I am not allowed to form an inappropriate relationship with White Rabbit... I agree, what this teacher did was totally wrong; although not quite as bad as child molestation, she abused a position of power and more importantly trust. Oddly, it is the gender reversal of the Jeremy Forrest episode, which the general public found unacceptable. One could almost be forgiven for thinking that those who see this story as 'nothing' as Sexists and possibly misogynistic - oh wait, they are. Dr. Nick

12:33am Sun 29 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

Those entrusted to the care of young people are in a position of authority and need to be trustworthy. If they choose to work with young people in any professional capacity, there are rules. They are good rules. Boys and girls can form crushes on figures of authority, but they need and expect boundaries. As do all the other students watching, hearing and learning....

This is no different if the pupil is a girl and the teacher is a man than if it's the other way round. But the media and the public ( perhaps even the law) can seem biased or blinkered by the perception that women are more victim than perpetrator.
Those entrusted to the care of young people are in a position of authority and need to be trustworthy. If they choose to work with young people in any professional capacity, there are rules. They are good rules. Boys and girls can form crushes on figures of authority, but they need and expect boundaries. As do all the other students watching, hearing and learning.... This is no different if the pupil is a girl and the teacher is a man than if it's the other way round. But the media and the public ( perhaps even the law) can seem biased or blinkered by the perception that women are more victim than perpetrator. camilla75

9:13am Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
janice1980 wrote:
White rabbit you really are quite angry and very antiestablishment! The point is that she is in a position of authority. Yes he can do what he likes but she as a trusted teacher should not form inapproprite relationships with pupils, same as nurses/doctors can not with their patients. Professionals are governed by rules and regulations and should not cross boundaries. Thank god you do not make the rules there would be anarchy on the streets!
I for one am happy I am not allowed to form an inappropriate relationship with White Rabbit...

I agree, what this teacher did was totally wrong; although not quite as bad as child molestation, she abused a position of power and more importantly trust. Oddly, it is the gender reversal of the Jeremy Forrest episode, which the general public found unacceptable. One could almost be forgiven for thinking that those who see this story as 'nothing' as Sexists and possibly misogynistic - oh wait, they are.
If you want abuse of TRUST!! Try our Government, try our banks. But one teacher and one pupil get it on and the watch people talk about moral outrage. Look at the BBC with the revelations about 'jimmy saville'. This was well known that he was a massive paedophile back in 1996 yet he walked around protected by the establishment. Well known government is riddled with paedophiles and murderers yet we just shout MORALE outrage with 2 consenting adults. UNBELIEVABLE!
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]janice1980[/bold] wrote: White rabbit you really are quite angry and very antiestablishment! The point is that she is in a position of authority. Yes he can do what he likes but she as a trusted teacher should not form inapproprite relationships with pupils, same as nurses/doctors can not with their patients. Professionals are governed by rules and regulations and should not cross boundaries. Thank god you do not make the rules there would be anarchy on the streets![/p][/quote]I for one am happy I am not allowed to form an inappropriate relationship with White Rabbit... I agree, what this teacher did was totally wrong; although not quite as bad as child molestation, she abused a position of power and more importantly trust. Oddly, it is the gender reversal of the Jeremy Forrest episode, which the general public found unacceptable. One could almost be forgiven for thinking that those who see this story as 'nothing' as Sexists and possibly misogynistic - oh wait, they are.[/p][/quote]If you want abuse of TRUST!! Try our Government, try our banks. But one teacher and one pupil get it on and the watch people talk about moral outrage. Look at the BBC with the revelations about 'jimmy saville'. This was well known that he was a massive paedophile back in 1996 yet he walked around protected by the establishment. Well known government is riddled with paedophiles and murderers yet we just shout MORALE outrage with 2 consenting adults. UNBELIEVABLE! white rabbit9

11:28am Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
janice1980 wrote:
White rabbit you really are quite angry and very antiestablishment! The point is that she is in a position of authority. Yes he can do what he likes but she as a trusted teacher should not form inapproprite relationships with pupils, same as nurses/doctors can not with their patients. Professionals are governed by rules and regulations and should not cross boundaries. Thank god you do not make the rules there would be anarchy on the streets!
I for one am happy I am not allowed to form an inappropriate relationship with White Rabbit...

I agree, what this teacher did was totally wrong; although not quite as bad as child molestation, she abused a position of power and more importantly trust. Oddly, it is the gender reversal of the Jeremy Forrest episode, which the general public found unacceptable. One could almost be forgiven for thinking that those who see this story as 'nothing' as Sexists and possibly misogynistic - oh wait, they are.
If you want abuse of TRUST!! Try our Government, try our banks. But one teacher and one pupil get it on and the watch people talk about moral outrage. Look at the BBC with the revelations about 'jimmy saville'. This was well known that he was a massive paedophile back in 1996 yet he walked around protected by the establishment. Well known government is riddled with paedophiles and murderers yet we just shout MORALE outrage with 2 consenting adults. UNBELIEVABLE!
It was attitudes such as those being showing here which 'allowed' Saville to go 'undetected' at the time... basically it was seen as nothing and accepted - however, he broke the exact same rules of trust which this teacher and Forrest have. This has nothing to do with bankers (though that does run a a theme within most White Rabbit posts). Do I really need to remind you that when you are talking pupil/teacher they are -NOT- consenting adults regardless of their ages; due to the Law and, more importantly, Professional Regulations they are never seen as such. To do so shows a lack of understanding of how human society functions. There are regulations about Professional Conduct which all professionals must stand by - I for one am proud to work under such regulations and more than frown upon anyone who breaches them.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]janice1980[/bold] wrote: White rabbit you really are quite angry and very antiestablishment! The point is that she is in a position of authority. Yes he can do what he likes but she as a trusted teacher should not form inapproprite relationships with pupils, same as nurses/doctors can not with their patients. Professionals are governed by rules and regulations and should not cross boundaries. Thank god you do not make the rules there would be anarchy on the streets![/p][/quote]I for one am happy I am not allowed to form an inappropriate relationship with White Rabbit... I agree, what this teacher did was totally wrong; although not quite as bad as child molestation, she abused a position of power and more importantly trust. Oddly, it is the gender reversal of the Jeremy Forrest episode, which the general public found unacceptable. One could almost be forgiven for thinking that those who see this story as 'nothing' as Sexists and possibly misogynistic - oh wait, they are.[/p][/quote]If you want abuse of TRUST!! Try our Government, try our banks. But one teacher and one pupil get it on and the watch people talk about moral outrage. Look at the BBC with the revelations about 'jimmy saville'. This was well known that he was a massive paedophile back in 1996 yet he walked around protected by the establishment. Well known government is riddled with paedophiles and murderers yet we just shout MORALE outrage with 2 consenting adults. UNBELIEVABLE![/p][/quote]It was attitudes such as those being showing here which 'allowed' Saville to go 'undetected' at the time... basically it was seen as nothing and accepted - however, he broke the exact same rules of trust which this teacher and Forrest have. This has nothing to do with bankers (though that does run a a theme within most White Rabbit posts). Do I really need to remind you that when you are talking pupil/teacher they are -NOT- consenting adults regardless of their ages; due to the Law and, more importantly, Professional Regulations they are never seen as such. To do so shows a lack of understanding of how human society functions. There are regulations about Professional Conduct which all professionals must stand by - I for one am proud to work under such regulations and more than frown upon anyone who breaches them. Dr. Nick

11:34am Sun 29 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

White Rabbit, there is no outrage in any of the comments or the article itself. A very silly and immature teacher is not being associated with the likes of Jimmy Saville by anyone but you. Go back down you hole. Think you are late. .
White Rabbit, there is no outrage in any of the comments or the article itself. A very silly and immature teacher is not being associated with the likes of Jimmy Saville by anyone but you. Go back down you hole. Think you are late. . camilla75

11:44am Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

camilla75 wrote:
White Rabbit, there is no outrage in any of the comments or the article itself. A very silly and immature teacher is not being associated with the likes of Jimmy Saville by anyone but you. Go back down you hole. Think you are late. .
I am comparing the outrage, from a little issue to a massive issue. The morale outrage of the little to the massive. Get to the big issue's not these small issue's.
[quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: White Rabbit, there is no outrage in any of the comments or the article itself. A very silly and immature teacher is not being associated with the likes of Jimmy Saville by anyone but you. Go back down you hole. Think you are late. .[/p][/quote]I am comparing the outrage, from a little issue to a massive issue. The morale outrage of the little to the massive. Get to the big issue's not these small issue's. white rabbit9

11:50am Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Do I really need to remind you that when you are talking pupil/teacher they are -NOT- consenting adults regardless of their ages; due to the Law and, more importantly, Professional Regulations they are never seen as such. To do so shows a lack of understanding of how human society functions. There are regulations about Professional Conduct which all professionals must stand by - I for one am proud to work under such regulations and more than frown upon anyone who breaches them.

Could you produce and show me the law?

Dr are only interested in one thing, MONEY!! BIG CARS AND SOCIAL STATUS. They know nothing about what the body is, they just push drugs and do what the system says to keep us well with VACCINE'S. You are happy to never think for yourself, GREAT!!
Do I really need to remind you that when you are talking pupil/teacher they are -NOT- consenting adults regardless of their ages; due to the Law and, more importantly, Professional Regulations they are never seen as such. To do so shows a lack of understanding of how human society functions. There are regulations about Professional Conduct which all professionals must stand by - I for one am proud to work under such regulations and more than frown upon anyone who breaches them. Could you produce and show me the law? Dr are only interested in one thing, MONEY!! BIG CARS AND SOCIAL STATUS. They know nothing about what the body is, they just push drugs and do what the system says to keep us well with VACCINE'S. You are happy to never think for yourself, GREAT!! white rabbit9

12:03pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
Do I really need to remind you that when you are talking pupil/teacher they are -NOT- consenting adults regardless of their ages; due to the Law and, more importantly, Professional Regulations they are never seen as such. To do so shows a lack of understanding of how human society functions. There are regulations about Professional Conduct which all professionals must stand by - I for one am proud to work under such regulations and more than frown upon anyone who breaches them.

Could you produce and show me the law?

Dr are only interested in one thing, MONEY!! BIG CARS AND SOCIAL STATUS. They know nothing about what the body is, they just push drugs and do what the system says to keep us well with VACCINE'S. You are happy to never think for yourself, GREAT!!
White Rabbit - it is great to see you prove my point about not knowing how society function so well. Thank you :)

I love your comment so much; but I am not going to rise to such inelegant bait.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Do I really need to remind you that when you are talking pupil/teacher they are -NOT- consenting adults regardless of their ages; due to the Law and, more importantly, Professional Regulations they are never seen as such. To do so shows a lack of understanding of how human society functions. There are regulations about Professional Conduct which all professionals must stand by - I for one am proud to work under such regulations and more than frown upon anyone who breaches them. Could you produce and show me the law? Dr are only interested in one thing, MONEY!! BIG CARS AND SOCIAL STATUS. They know nothing about what the body is, they just push drugs and do what the system says to keep us well with VACCINE'S. You are happy to never think for yourself, GREAT!![/p][/quote]White Rabbit - it is great to see you prove my point about not knowing how society function so well. Thank you :) I love your comment so much; but I am not going to rise to such inelegant bait. Dr. Nick

12:25pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

" inelegant bait. "

LOL

He's behind you !!
" inelegant bait. " LOL He's behind you !! Biffo.

12:38pm Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

White Rabbit - it is great to see you prove my point about not knowing how society function so well. Thank you :)

I love your comment so much; but I am not going to rise to such inelegant bait.

You call this a functioning society? Then you are deluded and walk around with rose tinted glasses. If you ever woke up and looked with a more open mind you would see that this world operates to serve the few and keep the rest of the humans in servitude. I bet you don't even notice the chemtrails in the sky? "Oh look white streeks of fluffy clouds". Everything that is happening to us is all thought out and done to keep the human race at a very low vibrational level. I am not baiting just telling the truth. You think that receiving a black square and some diploma makes you more intelligent? You have literally been forced to accept someone elses opinion and belief. copy and paste! ADHD for instance, the man who created this made a confession before he died, He said "I made it up, no such condition exist's". Look how many children are diagnosed with ADHD?

http://www.whydontyo
utrythis.com/2013/06
/before-his-death-fa
ther-of-adhd-admitte
d-it-was-a-fictitiou
s-disease.html

How many times have you diagnosed this ficticious disease?

How many people believe in scientology? The grandson of founder of scientology said "he made it up". How many followers are there?

So this is how your society functions does it? Make it up and rake in the cash of vulnerable people!

Look how many people give to the church to be forgiven for their sins to be forgiven before by some fictious GOD before they die?
And now Money, that is an illsusion, the banks print paper and put digits into your account. They make it all up, and this is how a functioning society works? SICK in my opinion.

People are waking up and seeing the truth I hope that you do the same one day.
White Rabbit - it is great to see you prove my point about not knowing how society function so well. Thank you :) I love your comment so much; but I am not going to rise to such inelegant bait. You call this a functioning society? Then you are deluded and walk around with rose tinted glasses. If you ever woke up and looked with a more open mind you would see that this world operates to serve the few and keep the rest of the humans in servitude. I bet you don't even notice the chemtrails in the sky? "Oh look white streeks of fluffy clouds". Everything that is happening to us is all thought out and done to keep the human race at a very low vibrational level. I am not baiting just telling the truth. You think that receiving a black square and some diploma makes you more intelligent? You have literally been forced to accept someone elses opinion and belief. copy and paste! ADHD for instance, the man who created this made a confession before he died, He said "I made it up, no such condition exist's". Look how many children are diagnosed with ADHD? http://www.whydontyo utrythis.com/2013/06 /before-his-death-fa ther-of-adhd-admitte d-it-was-a-fictitiou s-disease.html How many times have you diagnosed this ficticious disease? How many people believe in scientology? The grandson of founder of scientology said "he made it up". How many followers are there? So this is how your society functions does it? Make it up and rake in the cash of vulnerable people! Look how many people give to the church to be forgiven for their sins to be forgiven before by some fictious GOD before they die? And now Money, that is an illsusion, the banks print paper and put digits into your account. They make it all up, and this is how a functioning society works? SICK in my opinion. People are waking up and seeing the truth I hope that you do the same one day. white rabbit9

12:38pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

Biffo. wrote:
" inelegant bait. "

LOL

He's behind you !!
Oh no he's not! ;)
[quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: " inelegant bait. " LOL He's behind you !![/p][/quote]Oh no he's not! ;) Dr. Nick

12:53pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

Is it just me or does White Rabbit make far too many assumptions and then just run with them? Maybe it's just me.

*sigh*

White Rabbit - there is more than just the one type of 'Doctor'. You assume I am a medical practitioner, you assume I own a car, you assume so many things. You 'know' nothing. Maybe this is why you are so unhappy (or appear to be from your posts) with the world. Might I suggest a little discovery of 'fact' and a little less 'assumption' and you might feel a little better. Fact however is not gleaned via Google or Wiki - Factual knowledge is born though life and education; just because one can read something, then can cut-and-paste a link to it, does not 'fact' make.

I really hope you are looking forward to a Happy New Year :)
Is it just me or does White Rabbit make far too many assumptions and then just run with them? Maybe it's just me. *sigh* White Rabbit - there is more than just the one type of 'Doctor'. You assume I am a medical practitioner, you assume I own a car, you assume so many things. You 'know' nothing. Maybe this is why you are so unhappy (or appear to be from your posts) with the world. Might I suggest a little discovery of 'fact' and a little less 'assumption' and you might feel a little better. Fact however is not gleaned via Google or Wiki - Factual knowledge is born though life and education; just because one can read something, then can cut-and-paste a link to it, does not 'fact' make. I really hope you are looking forward to a Happy New Year :) Dr. Nick

1:11pm Sun 29 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

White Rabbit, you are very funny! Out of interest, do you have a career? Hard to imagine one that a conspiracy theory couldn't be applied to.
ADHD is a spectrum and definitely exists but agree too many normal boys are now labelled and medicated ( esp in America). But any link to above article about professional conduct is more than tenuous. You might as well be posting under the article about a fallen tree ( ? a branch of HSBC).
White Rabbit, you are very funny! Out of interest, do you have a career? Hard to imagine one that a conspiracy theory couldn't be applied to. ADHD is a spectrum and definitely exists but agree too many normal boys are now labelled and medicated ( esp in America). But any link to above article about professional conduct is more than tenuous. You might as well be posting under the article about a fallen tree ( ? a branch of HSBC). camilla75

1:18pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
Biffo. wrote:
" inelegant bait. "

LOL

He's behind you !!
Oh no he's not! ;)
Careful he's ( WR9 ) in the closet.

;)
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: " inelegant bait. " LOL He's behind you !![/p][/quote]Oh no he's not! ;)[/p][/quote]Careful he's ( WR9 ) in the closet. ;) Biffo.

1:19pm Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Is it just me or does White Rabbit make far too many assumptions and then just run with them? Maybe it's just me.

Just you.
--------------------
--
White Rabbit - there is more than just the one type of 'Doctor'. You assume I am a medical practitioner, you assume I own a car, you assume so many things. You 'know' nothing. Maybe this is why you are so unhappy (or appear to be from your posts) with the world. Might I suggest a little discovery of 'fact' and a little less 'assumption' and you might feel a little better. Fact however is not gleaned via Google or Wiki - Factual knowledge is born though life and education; just because one can read something, then can cut-and-paste a link to it, does not 'fact' make.

I was playing with the idea that you were a doctor, I have no idea what you are and don't wanna know what you are to be truthful.

Like I said in my last post, I made references to what people believe were factual and in truth were just made up mumbo jumbo.

You can believe what ever you like that is your universal right, I will however point out that all beliefs are in fact ILLUSIONS!

I don't need wiki or another website to to tell me what to believe I just reference them to back up what I know to true.

May you have one drunken new year as next year things are going to become even more interesting. The truth vibrations are gonna wake up more people, the people are going to realize that 1% is nothing to us 99% in full conscious awareness of what is being done to them.
Is it just me or does White Rabbit make far too many assumptions and then just run with them? Maybe it's just me. Just you. -------------------- -- White Rabbit - there is more than just the one type of 'Doctor'. You assume I am a medical practitioner, you assume I own a car, you assume so many things. You 'know' nothing. Maybe this is why you are so unhappy (or appear to be from your posts) with the world. Might I suggest a little discovery of 'fact' and a little less 'assumption' and you might feel a little better. Fact however is not gleaned via Google or Wiki - Factual knowledge is born though life and education; just because one can read something, then can cut-and-paste a link to it, does not 'fact' make. I was playing with the idea that you were a doctor, I have no idea what you are and don't wanna know what you are to be truthful. Like I said in my last post, I made references to what people believe were factual and in truth were just made up mumbo jumbo. You can believe what ever you like that is your universal right, I will however point out that all beliefs are in fact ILLUSIONS! I don't need wiki or another website to to tell me what to believe I just reference them to back up what I know to true. May you have one drunken new year as next year things are going to become even more interesting. The truth vibrations are gonna wake up more people, the people are going to realize that 1% is nothing to us 99% in full conscious awareness of what is being done to them. white rabbit9

1:31pm Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Biffo. wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Biffo. wrote:
" inelegant bait. "

LOL

He's behind you !!
Oh no he's not! ;)
Careful he's ( WR9 ) in the closet.

;)
Are you calling me gay? So you hate gay people? What do you do? and I am going to assume here, do you go round and beat them up?
[quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: " inelegant bait. " LOL He's behind you !![/p][/quote]Oh no he's not! ;)[/p][/quote]Careful he's ( WR9 ) in the closet. ;)[/p][/quote]Are you calling me gay? So you hate gay people? What do you do? and I am going to assume here, do you go round and beat them up? white rabbit9

1:34pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

BREAKING NEWS: White Rabbit Goes All Matrix
... and again moves the topic away from the original article.

Let us just hope that this teacher learns an important lesson from all of this. I have to say there is something to be said for employing older teachers with a lot more life experience and potentially more self control.
BREAKING NEWS: White Rabbit Goes All Matrix ... and again moves the topic away from the original article. Let us just hope that this teacher learns an important lesson from all of this. I have to say there is something to be said for employing older teachers with a lot more life experience and potentially more self control. Dr. Nick

1:38pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

Biffo. wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Biffo. wrote:
" inelegant bait. "

LOL

He's behind you !!
Oh no he's not! ;)
Careful he's ( WR9 ) in the closet.

;)
WR9 sounds like a secret agent ... secret agenda maybe, definitely not a secret agent though due to such vocalised opinions.

Maybe not so much 'behind', more like 'against' I would say :o)
[quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: " inelegant bait. " LOL He's behind you !![/p][/quote]Oh no he's not! ;)[/p][/quote]Careful he's ( WR9 ) in the closet. ;)[/p][/quote]WR9 sounds like a secret agent ... secret agenda maybe, definitely not a secret agent though due to such vocalised opinions. Maybe not so much 'behind', more like 'against' I would say :o) Dr. Nick

1:44pm Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
Biffo. wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Biffo. wrote:
" inelegant bait. "

LOL

He's behind you !!
Oh no he's not! ;)
Careful he's ( WR9 ) in the closet.

;)
WR9 sounds like a secret agent ... secret agenda maybe, definitely not a secret agent though due to such vocalised opinions.

Maybe not so much 'behind', more like 'against' I would say :o)
So all that radiation from fukishima will just go away becaue you're not aware of it. I wish I was this ignorant.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: " inelegant bait. " LOL He's behind you !![/p][/quote]Oh no he's not! ;)[/p][/quote]Careful he's ( WR9 ) in the closet. ;)[/p][/quote]WR9 sounds like a secret agent ... secret agenda maybe, definitely not a secret agent though due to such vocalised opinions. Maybe not so much 'behind', more like 'against' I would say :o)[/p][/quote]So all that radiation from fukishima will just go away becaue you're not aware of it. I wish I was this ignorant. white rabbit9

1:50pm Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
BREAKING NEWS: White Rabbit Goes All Matrix
... and again moves the topic away from the original article.

Let us just hope that this teacher learns an important lesson from all of this. I have to say there is something to be said for employing older teachers with a lot more life experience and potentially more self control.
How can a teacher learn when a teacher is a teacher? is this a paradox? maybe oxymoron? why does a teacher need to learn to be a teacher? And if such a teacher is taught then who says what is correct about what a teacher is being taught? This reminds me of the film 'Dead poets society'.

learning English is a science lesson. "Rip....i said rip.you wont goto hell this is not the bible.

We have words and once the "spoken narrative" is broken watch people panic as they try to batten down people who don't share their same beliefs. small minds will always never see a greater perspective. Good on you teacher for breaking the narrative. Explore Explore explore.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: BREAKING NEWS: White Rabbit Goes All Matrix ... and again moves the topic away from the original article. Let us just hope that this teacher learns an important lesson from all of this. I have to say there is something to be said for employing older teachers with a lot more life experience and potentially more self control.[/p][/quote]How can a teacher learn when a teacher is a teacher? is this a paradox? maybe oxymoron? why does a teacher need to learn to be a teacher? And if such a teacher is taught then who says what is correct about what a teacher is being taught? This reminds me of the film 'Dead poets society'. learning English is a science lesson. "Rip....i said rip.you wont goto hell this is not the bible. We have words and once the "spoken narrative" is broken watch people panic as they try to batten down people who don't share their same beliefs. small minds will always never see a greater perspective. Good on you teacher for breaking the narrative. Explore Explore explore. white rabbit9

2:08pm Sun 29 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
BREAKING NEWS: White Rabbit Goes All Matrix
... and again moves the topic away from the original article.

Let us just hope that this teacher learns an important lesson from all of this. I have to say there is something to be said for employing older teachers with a lot more life experience and potentially more self control.
There are plenty of young teachers, male and female, who have self- control and are completely professional. This particular teacher seems around 30 and it would be ridiculous not to employ younger teachers just because a tiny minority let the rest down by having serious boundary issues,
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: BREAKING NEWS: White Rabbit Goes All Matrix ... and again moves the topic away from the original article. Let us just hope that this teacher learns an important lesson from all of this. I have to say there is something to be said for employing older teachers with a lot more life experience and potentially more self control.[/p][/quote]There are plenty of young teachers, male and female, who have self- control and are completely professional. This particular teacher seems around 30 and it would be ridiculous not to employ younger teachers just because a tiny minority let the rest down by having serious boundary issues, camilla75

2:11pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dumbledore says...

This stream is straying well away from the point. No conspiracy theories are needed here. A teacher has abused a position of trust. Not just with this pupil but with others too (not reported in this case), in full view of other children and on social networking sites, and has got drunk while on school trips. We'll done to the school for getting rid of her as soon as they knew. I'm amazed the GTC has allowed her to continue to teach. Can't imagine they would have, if the gender roles had been reversed.
This stream is straying well away from the point. No conspiracy theories are needed here. A teacher has abused a position of trust. Not just with this pupil but with others too (not reported in this case), in full view of other children and on social networking sites, and has got drunk while on school trips. We'll done to the school for getting rid of her as soon as they knew. I'm amazed the GTC has allowed her to continue to teach. Can't imagine they would have, if the gender roles had been reversed. Dumbledore

2:15pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

Well fukishima me !

WR9 is your tin foil hat a little on the tight side today. Perhaps it's the microwave in the kitchen, go unplug it before you spontaneously combust.
Well fukishima me ! WR9 is your tin foil hat a little on the tight side today. Perhaps it's the microwave in the kitchen, go unplug it before you spontaneously combust. Biffo.

2:23pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

camilla75 wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
BREAKING NEWS: White Rabbit Goes All Matrix
... and again moves the topic away from the original article.

Let us just hope that this teacher learns an important lesson from all of this. I have to say there is something to be said for employing older teachers with a lot more life experience and potentially more self control.
There are plenty of young teachers, male and female, who have self- control and are completely professional. This particular teacher seems around 30 and it would be ridiculous not to employ younger teachers just because a tiny minority let the rest down by having serious boundary issues,
Agreed, but I was using a WR Sweeping Statement(tm) to prove a point.

My only real concern is with the teachers who have come from school straight to Uni, then into teaching - perhaps for some of them the professional boundary is not quite so clear. Admittedly this lady was out in the wider world then came into teaching so could be seen to blow my concerns out of the water, however I do worry about the few.

Back in the day (no I am not that old!) teachers were more mature and had served their time in industry and thus had a much broader background and approach - I am not saying for one moment they were the glory days, however I do feel there are some aspects of that teaching model which could be applied today. Perhaps more emphasis should be put on professionalism then any other aspect of teaching? This is certainly the change being adopted by the NHS with regard to Nursing becoming a degree only pathway and HCAs becoming more accountable for their professional conduct.

Maybe -some- teachers don't really understand what it means to be a teacher in a professional context? So we may need to remind -all- teachers just to be sure... just my view though :)
[quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: BREAKING NEWS: White Rabbit Goes All Matrix ... and again moves the topic away from the original article. Let us just hope that this teacher learns an important lesson from all of this. I have to say there is something to be said for employing older teachers with a lot more life experience and potentially more self control.[/p][/quote]There are plenty of young teachers, male and female, who have self- control and are completely professional. This particular teacher seems around 30 and it would be ridiculous not to employ younger teachers just because a tiny minority let the rest down by having serious boundary issues,[/p][/quote]Agreed, but I was using a WR Sweeping Statement(tm) to prove a point. My only real concern is with the teachers who have come from school straight to Uni, then into teaching - perhaps for some of them the professional boundary is not quite so clear. Admittedly this lady was out in the wider world then came into teaching so could be seen to blow my concerns out of the water, however I do worry about the few. Back in the day (no I am not that old!) teachers were more mature and had served their time in industry and thus had a much broader background and approach - I am not saying for one moment they were the glory days, however I do feel there are some aspects of that teaching model which could be applied today. Perhaps more emphasis should be put on professionalism then any other aspect of teaching? This is certainly the change being adopted by the NHS with regard to Nursing becoming a degree only pathway and HCAs becoming more accountable for their professional conduct. Maybe -some- teachers don't really understand what it means to be a teacher in a professional context? So we may need to remind -all- teachers just to be sure... just my view though :) Dr. Nick

2:48pm Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Biffo. wrote:
Well fukishima me !

WR9 is your tin foil hat a little on the tight side today. Perhaps it's the microwave in the kitchen, go unplug it before you spontaneously combust.
Like I said, Ignorance is bliss. Careful with that tuna it may just come from china. But it's ok, their government have passed it ok for human consumption.
[quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: Well fukishima me ! WR9 is your tin foil hat a little on the tight side today. Perhaps it's the microwave in the kitchen, go unplug it before you spontaneously combust.[/p][/quote]Like I said, Ignorance is bliss. Careful with that tuna it may just come from china. But it's ok, their government have passed it ok for human consumption. white rabbit9

2:59pm Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Back in the day (no I am not that old!) teachers were more mature and had served their time in industry and thus had a much broader background and approach.

I remember the mathematics teacher being a drunk, I remember the English teacher (male) pinning up the English teacher (female) against the wall while the male teacher tried to seduce her in front of pupils.and having to listen to all the rumour's of her pulling clumps of hair out because she was so stressed. Then we have the gym teachers, just EGO heads. Then the R E teachers who would just show films of religious nutters cutting themselves and saying it was normal. My education started after I left school and can think for myself. But Dr thinks this is how a "normal"society functions. Give me strength.

The system does no longer work. Duality has had it's day.
Back in the day (no I am not that old!) teachers were more mature and had served their time in industry and thus had a much broader background and approach. I remember the mathematics teacher being a drunk, I remember the English teacher (male) pinning up the English teacher (female) against the wall while the male teacher tried to seduce her in front of pupils.and having to listen to all the rumour's of her pulling clumps of hair out because she was so stressed. Then we have the gym teachers, just EGO heads. Then the R E teachers who would just show films of religious nutters cutting themselves and saying it was normal. My education started after I left school and can think for myself. But Dr thinks this is how a "normal"society functions. Give me strength. The system does no longer work. Duality has had it's day. white rabbit9

3:09pm Sun 29 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

So you'd be in favour of education taking place before you leave school, with regulations to stop the sort of conduct you describe. Good. We are all singing from the same sheet. Off to wash my fictitious Maserati.
So you'd be in favour of education taking place before you leave school, with regulations to stop the sort of conduct you describe. Good. We are all singing from the same sheet. Off to wash my fictitious Maserati. camilla75

3:13pm Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=W6tTZ4oyW
ts

Saw this, thought of DR

The World Only Makes Sense to Psychopaths Thomas Sheridan Vi
http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=W6tTZ4oyW ts Saw this, thought of DR The World Only Makes Sense to Psychopaths Thomas Sheridan Vi white rabbit9

3:18pm Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

camilla75 wrote:
So you'd be in favour of education taking place before you leave school, with regulations to stop the sort of conduct you describe. Good. We are all singing from the same sheet. Off to wash my fictitious Maserati.
They want school now to be open 8am til 6 pm, it's a prison. I mean who would have a child and then send it to prison, but.... the reason for this prison with all the bars is to protect the child from all the nutter out there.

Look at this latest headline.

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2530686/Christmas-Da
y-shambles-NHS-helpl
ine-17-year-olds-bar
ely-training-left-an
swer-phones.html

This is how a functioning society functions???????????
????

Are you joking?
[quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: So you'd be in favour of education taking place before you leave school, with regulations to stop the sort of conduct you describe. Good. We are all singing from the same sheet. Off to wash my fictitious Maserati.[/p][/quote]They want school now to be open 8am til 6 pm, it's a prison. I mean who would have a child and then send it to prison, but.... the reason for this prison with all the bars is to protect the child from all the nutter out there. Look at this latest headline. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2530686/Christmas-Da y-shambles-NHS-helpl ine-17-year-olds-bar ely-training-left-an swer-phones.html This is how a functioning society functions??????????? ???? Are you joking? white rabbit9

3:31pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
Back in the day (no I am not that old!) teachers were more mature and had served their time in industry and thus had a much broader background and approach.

I remember the mathematics teacher being a drunk, I remember the English teacher (male) pinning up the English teacher (female) against the wall while the male teacher tried to seduce her in front of pupils.and having to listen to all the rumour's of her pulling clumps of hair out because she was so stressed. Then we have the gym teachers, just EGO heads. Then the R E teachers who would just show films of religious nutters cutting themselves and saying it was normal. My education started after I left school and can think for myself. But Dr thinks this is how a "normal"society functions. Give me strength.

The system does no longer work. Duality has had it's day.
There you go with your assumptions again (you need to control that ;o) ) - As I stated "some aspects"; I never stated "all aspects" did I. Sure there will always be bad elements within any profession, such is human nature, though there has been a dynamic shift within recent years towards improvement.

Back in the day we had no Offstead, no CQC, none of the other regulating bodies in place to check, but more importantly, to expose bad practice and put into place methods to deal with such matters.

The education system has improved within the past few decades and has moved away from the turmoil of the '70s and '80s so adequately represented in Grange Hill. Unfortunately Waterloo Road is far from an adequate representation of the UK education system and is as true to real life as Eastenders is - fictitious scenario creations marketed to boost ratings and nothing more.

The system does work and still produces great mind and greater works. Unfortunately we have a few individuals, such the teacher in question, who somehow think the rules of professionalism do not apply to them, even though they are a professional - this is the problem, not the system.

White Rabbit: I would really be interested in what your understanding of professionalism and professional conduct are? Do you not agree that those in positions of trust (such as teachers, doctors, nurses), especially when dealing with children and vulnerable adults, should act with a degree of professionalism? ... but please, no talk of Bankers of MPs as we all know how you feel about them by now ;)
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Back in the day (no I am not that old!) teachers were more mature and had served their time in industry and thus had a much broader background and approach. I remember the mathematics teacher being a drunk, I remember the English teacher (male) pinning up the English teacher (female) against the wall while the male teacher tried to seduce her in front of pupils.and having to listen to all the rumour's of her pulling clumps of hair out because she was so stressed. Then we have the gym teachers, just EGO heads. Then the R E teachers who would just show films of religious nutters cutting themselves and saying it was normal. My education started after I left school and can think for myself. But Dr thinks this is how a "normal"society functions. Give me strength. The system does no longer work. Duality has had it's day.[/p][/quote]There you go with your assumptions again (you need to control that ;o) ) - As I stated "some aspects"; I never stated "all aspects" did I. Sure there will always be bad elements within any profession, such is human nature, though there has been a dynamic shift within recent years towards improvement. Back in the day we had no Offstead, no CQC, none of the other regulating bodies in place to check, but more importantly, to expose bad practice and put into place methods to deal with such matters. The education system has improved within the past few decades and has moved away from the turmoil of the '70s and '80s so adequately represented in Grange Hill. Unfortunately Waterloo Road is far from an adequate representation of the UK education system and is as true to real life as Eastenders is - fictitious scenario creations marketed to boost ratings and nothing more. The system does work and still produces great mind and greater works. Unfortunately we have a few individuals, such the teacher in question, who somehow think the rules of professionalism do not apply to them, even though they are a professional - this is the problem, not the system. White Rabbit: I would really be interested in what your understanding of professionalism and professional conduct are? Do you not agree that those in positions of trust (such as teachers, doctors, nurses), especially when dealing with children and vulnerable adults, should act with a degree of professionalism? ... but please, no talk of Bankers of MPs as we all know how you feel about them by now ;) Dr. Nick

3:42pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

White Rabbit, if you are going to believe anything/everything printed in the Daily Mail you are setting yourself up for a major FAIL! ... and you come across as such a conspiracy theorist too - what a paradox.

I do feel you are again avoiding the topic of this thread to voice your own agenda, which imho is quite sad. It would be nice to be able to engage in a proper debate on this topic and keeping it to this topic. You do have some interesting points when you do stay on topic, however when challenged on them you digress.

Just to clarify: Do you think that Ms Barsham-Rolfe was professionally correct in her behaviour?
White Rabbit, if you are going to believe anything/everything printed in the Daily Mail you are setting yourself up for a major FAIL! ... and you come across as such a conspiracy theorist too - what a paradox. I do feel you are again avoiding the topic of this thread to voice your own agenda, which imho is quite sad. It would be nice to be able to engage in a proper debate on this topic and keeping it to this topic. You do have some interesting points when you do stay on topic, however when challenged on them you digress. Just to clarify: Do you think that Ms Barsham-Rolfe was professionally correct in her behaviour? Dr. Nick

3:52pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

"White Rabbit, if you are going to believe anything/everything printed in the Daily Mail you are setting yourself up for a major FAIL! ... and you come across as such a conspiracy theorist too - what a paradox."


BINGO...............
.. we have a winner.

It's past your medication time WR9, ask matron to increase the dose please.
"White Rabbit, if you are going to believe anything/everything printed in the Daily Mail you are setting yourself up for a major FAIL! ... and you come across as such a conspiracy theorist too - what a paradox." BINGO............... .. we have a winner. It's past your medication time WR9, ask matron to increase the dose please. Biffo.

4:01pm Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

"White Rabbit, if you are going to believe anything/everything printed in the Daily Mail you are setting yourself up for a major FAIL! ... and you come across as such a conspiracy theorist too - what a paradox."

I know this is a fact, you know, erm............worke
d in one!!

Had my eyes wide open and saw how it all worked. The paradox you are looking for is how can a "hospital" be a place to get better when it is creating sick people in the first place?
"White Rabbit, if you are going to believe anything/everything printed in the Daily Mail you are setting yourself up for a major FAIL! ... and you come across as such a conspiracy theorist too - what a paradox." I know this is a fact, you know, erm............worke d in one!! Had my eyes wide open and saw how it all worked. The paradox you are looking for is how can a "hospital" be a place to get better when it is creating sick people in the first place? white rabbit9

4:55pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

WR9 are you a patient in the Bethlem or the Maudsley ?

I'll send you in a bowl of fruit or would you prefer a bunch of carrots ?
WR9 are you a patient in the Bethlem or the Maudsley ? I'll send you in a bowl of fruit or would you prefer a bunch of carrots ? Biffo.

5:03pm Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Biffo. wrote:
WR9 are you a patient in the Bethlem or the Maudsley ?

I'll send you in a bowl of fruit or would you prefer a bunch of carrots ?
Of course you are sane. only a sane person believes everything that happens is rational and can be explained away with logic. lol
[quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: WR9 are you a patient in the Bethlem or the Maudsley ? I'll send you in a bowl of fruit or would you prefer a bunch of carrots ?[/p][/quote]Of course you are sane. only a sane person believes everything that happens is rational and can be explained away with logic. lol white rabbit9

5:17pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

WR9 I'm not in the medical field at all but do you touch yourself while online ?

Are you masturbating looking at the picture of Hester the molester all while dreaming of yet another conspiracy theory ?
WR9 I'm not in the medical field at all but do you touch yourself while online ? Are you masturbating looking at the picture of Hester the molester all while dreaming of yet another conspiracy theory ? Biffo.

6:03pm Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Biffo. wrote:
WR9 I'm not in the medical field at all but do you touch yourself while online ?

Are you masturbating looking at the picture of Hester the molester all while dreaming of yet another conspiracy theory ?
Just proves how lost and sick minded you are. I don't believe in conspiracy only truth.
[quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: WR9 I'm not in the medical field at all but do you touch yourself while online ? Are you masturbating looking at the picture of Hester the molester all while dreaming of yet another conspiracy theory ?[/p][/quote]Just proves how lost and sick minded you are. I don't believe in conspiracy only truth. white rabbit9

6:30pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

"Just proves how lost and sick minded you are."

Coming from you that's a compliment bruv.
"Just proves how lost and sick minded you are." Coming from you that's a compliment bruv. Biffo.

9:52pm Sun 29 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

The article above is not about you 'White Rabbit'. Do you believe that this teacher's conduct is acceptable? You seem consumed by yourself and information that feeds your own ideas. Can you think about others and issues other than your own? The article above is about an abuse of responsibility. You seem keen to tell us all that we should take more interest in corruption and should question power, but you take huge issue when that happens. What was it? 'Explore, explore, explore'. What? Should we all explore every animal, unintelligent and selfish impulse? You do realise that the people most cross about this woman are students? No, you don't. You are only capable of following your own stream of consciousness. Wasting my time responding to your complete rubbish.
.
The article above is not about you 'White Rabbit'. Do you believe that this teacher's conduct is acceptable? You seem consumed by yourself and information that feeds your own ideas. Can you think about others and issues other than your own? The article above is about an abuse of responsibility. You seem keen to tell us all that we should take more interest in corruption and should question power, but you take huge issue when that happens. What was it? 'Explore, explore, explore'. What? Should we all explore every animal, unintelligent and selfish impulse? You do realise that the people most cross about this woman are students? No, you don't. You are only capable of following your own stream of consciousness. Wasting my time responding to your complete rubbish. . camilla75

10:13pm Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

camilla75 wrote:
The article above is not about you 'White Rabbit'. Do you believe that this teacher's conduct is acceptable? You seem consumed by yourself and information that feeds your own ideas. Can you think about others and issues other than your own? The article above is about an abuse of responsibility. You seem keen to tell us all that we should take more interest in corruption and should question power, but you take huge issue when that happens. What was it? 'Explore, explore, explore'. What? Should we all explore every animal, unintelligent and selfish impulse? You do realise that the people most cross about this woman are students? No, you don't. You are only capable of following your own stream of consciousness. Wasting my time responding to your complete rubbish.
.
I am not a robot, What is your comment. Yes /no. Their are far to many ways to view a subject like this what I try to do is see how pathetic people opinions are over something that matters nothing in the great scheme of things. When you look at the greater picture, two consenting adults with a bit of an age difference isn't a morale outrage considering what else is happening in the world. rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic isn't going to change anything.
[quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: The article above is not about you 'White Rabbit'. Do you believe that this teacher's conduct is acceptable? You seem consumed by yourself and information that feeds your own ideas. Can you think about others and issues other than your own? The article above is about an abuse of responsibility. You seem keen to tell us all that we should take more interest in corruption and should question power, but you take huge issue when that happens. What was it? 'Explore, explore, explore'. What? Should we all explore every animal, unintelligent and selfish impulse? You do realise that the people most cross about this woman are students? No, you don't. You are only capable of following your own stream of consciousness. Wasting my time responding to your complete rubbish. .[/p][/quote]I am not a robot, What is your comment. Yes /no. Their are far to many ways to view a subject like this what I try to do is see how pathetic people opinions are over something that matters nothing in the great scheme of things. When you look at the greater picture, two consenting adults with a bit of an age difference isn't a morale outrage considering what else is happening in the world. rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic isn't going to change anything. white rabbit9

10:19pm Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Should we all explore every animal, unintelligent and selfish impulse?

NO NO NO why are you suggesting that????????? I have an open mind but that is so wrong.

You do realise that the people most cross about this woman are students?

Students who are cross about this need to get out there goto parties start clubbing and start living and start talking about how the system is going to screw them over with debt they wont be able to pay back because their is no jobs. They should be working out how MONEY doesn't actually exist and start to think away around the mess we unintelligent humans will leave them in.
Should we all explore every animal, unintelligent and selfish impulse? NO NO NO why are you suggesting that????????? I have an open mind but that is so wrong. You do realise that the people most cross about this woman are students? Students who are cross about this need to get out there goto parties start clubbing and start living and start talking about how the system is going to screw them over with debt they wont be able to pay back because their is no jobs. They should be working out how MONEY doesn't actually exist and start to think away around the mess we unintelligent humans will leave them in. white rabbit9

10:38pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

WR9 I think I'd rather staple my eye kids to my arse hole than read anymore of your absolute drivel.

Good night sir. ( or madam )
WR9 I think I'd rather staple my eye kids to my arse hole than read anymore of your absolute drivel. Good night sir. ( or madam ) Biffo.

10:38pm Sun 29 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
Should we all explore every animal, unintelligent and selfish impulse?

NO NO NO why are you suggesting that????????? I have an open mind but that is so wrong.

You do realise that the people most cross about this woman are students?

Students who are cross about this need to get out there goto parties start clubbing and start living and start talking about how the system is going to screw them over with debt they wont be able to pay back because their is no jobs. They should be working out how MONEY doesn't actually exist and start to think away around the mess we unintelligent humans will leave them in.
Yawn. Yawn again.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Should we all explore every animal, unintelligent and selfish impulse? NO NO NO why are you suggesting that????????? I have an open mind but that is so wrong. You do realise that the people most cross about this woman are students? Students who are cross about this need to get out there goto parties start clubbing and start living and start talking about how the system is going to screw them over with debt they wont be able to pay back because their is no jobs. They should be working out how MONEY doesn't actually exist and start to think away around the mess we unintelligent humans will leave them in.[/p][/quote]Yawn. Yawn again. camilla75

10:59pm Sun 29 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

That wouldn't do that, I will report you to the police for assult.

Goto sleepy then.
That wouldn't do that, I will report you to the police for assult. Goto sleepy then. white rabbit9

11:21pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
The article above is not about you 'White Rabbit'. Do you believe that this teacher's conduct is acceptable? You seem consumed by yourself and information that feeds your own ideas. Can you think about others and issues other than your own? The article above is about an abuse of responsibility. You seem keen to tell us all that we should take more interest in corruption and should question power, but you take huge issue when that happens. What was it? 'Explore, explore, explore'. What? Should we all explore every animal, unintelligent and selfish impulse? You do realise that the people most cross about this woman are students? No, you don't. You are only capable of following your own stream of consciousness. Wasting my time responding to your complete rubbish.
.
I am not a robot, What is your comment. Yes /no. Their are far to many ways to view a subject like this what I try to do is see how pathetic people opinions are over something that matters nothing in the great scheme of things. When you look at the greater picture, two consenting adults with a bit of an age difference isn't a morale outrage considering what else is happening in the world. rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic isn't going to change anything.
White Rabbit no I agree you are not a robot; you are a fool. How many more times do you need it explained to you they are -not- considered consenting adults within this situation - if you took time to consider the matter and answer the points raised you would know this and the reason why. Quite frankly your total lack of understanding about the world in which you live astounds me. I guess we have proof in you that the system is broken after all as you suggest. I think it is a real shame you are not capable of intelligent debate. All you appear capable of is manipulating votes and avoiding the questions posed to you, then spotting something unintelligible.

Have you ever considered politics, you would be perfect as an MP as you demonstrate all the qualities you say they have.

Vote for White Rabbit!
Campaign Slogan: "I'm anti.... well what do you have?"
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: The article above is not about you 'White Rabbit'. Do you believe that this teacher's conduct is acceptable? You seem consumed by yourself and information that feeds your own ideas. Can you think about others and issues other than your own? The article above is about an abuse of responsibility. You seem keen to tell us all that we should take more interest in corruption and should question power, but you take huge issue when that happens. What was it? 'Explore, explore, explore'. What? Should we all explore every animal, unintelligent and selfish impulse? You do realise that the people most cross about this woman are students? No, you don't. You are only capable of following your own stream of consciousness. Wasting my time responding to your complete rubbish. .[/p][/quote]I am not a robot, What is your comment. Yes /no. Their are far to many ways to view a subject like this what I try to do is see how pathetic people opinions are over something that matters nothing in the great scheme of things. When you look at the greater picture, two consenting adults with a bit of an age difference isn't a morale outrage considering what else is happening in the world. rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic isn't going to change anything.[/p][/quote]White Rabbit no I agree you are not a robot; you are a fool. How many more times do you need it explained to you they are -not- considered consenting adults within this situation - if you took time to consider the matter and answer the points raised you would know this and the reason why. Quite frankly your total lack of understanding about the world in which you live astounds me. I guess we have proof in you that the system is broken after all as you suggest. I think it is a real shame you are not capable of intelligent debate. All you appear capable of is manipulating votes and avoiding the questions posed to you, then spotting something unintelligible. Have you ever considered politics, you would be perfect as an MP as you demonstrate all the qualities you say they have. Vote for White Rabbit! Campaign Slogan: "I'm anti.... well what do you have?" Dr. Nick

11:29pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
Should we all explore every animal, unintelligent and selfish impulse?

NO NO NO why are you suggesting that????????? I have an open mind but that is so wrong.

You do realise that the people most cross about this woman are students?

Students who are cross about this need to get out there goto parties start clubbing and start living and start talking about how the system is going to screw them over with debt they wont be able to pay back because their is no jobs. They should be working out how MONEY doesn't actually exist and start to think away around the mess we unintelligent humans will leave them in.
Again with the generalisations - do you include mature students within the is gross weeping statement?

Within this years university intake there are more mature students than school leavers. Those who have worked hard for years and are now furthering their minds rather than sitting and complaining about the world. You really do need to think more carefully before typing. Do not make seeping statements about students without first knowing the hard facts, it makes you look very uneducated.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Should we all explore every animal, unintelligent and selfish impulse? NO NO NO why are you suggesting that????????? I have an open mind but that is so wrong. You do realise that the people most cross about this woman are students? Students who are cross about this need to get out there goto parties start clubbing and start living and start talking about how the system is going to screw them over with debt they wont be able to pay back because their is no jobs. They should be working out how MONEY doesn't actually exist and start to think away around the mess we unintelligent humans will leave them in.[/p][/quote]Again with the generalisations - do you include mature students within the is gross weeping statement? Within this years university intake there are more mature students than school leavers. Those who have worked hard for years and are now furthering their minds rather than sitting and complaining about the world. You really do need to think more carefully before typing. Do not make seeping statements about students without first knowing the hard facts, it makes you look very uneducated. Dr. Nick

11:31pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
That wouldn't do that, I will report you to the police for assult.

Goto sleepy then.
But the Police would not be interested as you are both "consenting adults" *snigger*

There endeth this thread!

[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: That wouldn't do that, I will report you to the police for assult. Goto sleepy then.[/p][/quote]But the Police would not be interested as you are both "consenting adults" *snigger* There endeth this thread! [connection terminated /... ] Dr. Nick

11:40pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dumbledore says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
That wouldn't do that, I will report you to the police for assult.

Goto sleepy then.
White Fiver Rabbit, go sleepy now. Let Hazel, Bigwig all the others manage the corrupt world while you rest. The Thearah may yet speak. Down your burrow you go.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: That wouldn't do that, I will report you to the police for assult. Goto sleepy then.[/p][/quote]White Fiver Rabbit, go sleepy now. Let Hazel, Bigwig all the others manage the corrupt world while you rest. The Thearah may yet speak. Down your burrow you go. Dumbledore

8:56am Mon 30 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
That wouldn't do that, I will report you to the police for assult.

Goto sleepy then.
But the Police would not be interested as you are both "consenting adults" *snigger*

There endeth this thread!

This story has now hit the daily mail, the comments are interesting and spot on. WHO CARES!!
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: That wouldn't do that, I will report you to the police for assult. Goto sleepy then.[/p][/quote]But the Police would not be interested as you are both "consenting adults" *snigger* There endeth this thread! [connection terminated /... ][/p][/quote]This story has now hit the daily mail, the comments are interesting and spot on. WHO CARES!! white rabbit9

9:34am Mon 30 Dec 13

PaulErith says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
molsey wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote: Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.
But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this?
Life is just an experience, we are just biological robots experiencing a duality. If these humans wish to explore their love for each other who are any to say no? We talk about morals but where are the morals? where is the outrage to what is happening to our pensioners when the government cuts money to keep them warm over the winter? Why aren't people shouting about that moral outrage? All this is is a distraction to keep us away from what goes on, like a magician do a slight of hand trick, keeps you focused over there! when pulling a very simple pull here. Hope this answers your question.
Yawn, yawn! Is there no article that you won't turn around and mention the government or 'the system'? I think you are just jealous because you're somewhere near the bottom of the ladder. You keep on about the pensioners. If they can't cope on the handouts from the Government, maybe they should have saved a little more during their working lives. Why should people think it's ok to live for the moment, spend all their cash, and then expect me and other tax payers to fund a comfortable life? It's attitudes like yours that have screwed this country. i.e. you expect the state to look after you.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.[/p][/quote]But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this?[/p][/quote]Life is just an experience, we are just biological robots experiencing a duality. If these humans wish to explore their love for each other who are any to say no? We talk about morals but where are the morals? where is the outrage to what is happening to our pensioners when the government cuts money to keep them warm over the winter? Why aren't people shouting about that moral outrage? All this is is a distraction to keep us away from what goes on, like a magician do a slight of hand trick, keeps you focused over there! when pulling a very simple pull here. Hope this answers your question.[/p][/quote]Yawn, yawn! Is there no article that you won't turn around and mention the government or 'the system'? I think you are just jealous because you're somewhere near the bottom of the ladder. You keep on about the pensioners. If they can't cope on the handouts from the Government, maybe they should have saved a little more during their working lives. Why should people think it's ok to live for the moment, spend all their cash, and then expect me and other tax payers to fund a comfortable life? It's attitudes like yours that have screwed this country. i.e. you expect the state to look after you. PaulErith

10:39am Mon 30 Dec 13

molsey says...

PaulErith wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
molsey wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote: Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.
But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this?
Life is just an experience, we are just biological robots experiencing a duality. If these humans wish to explore their love for each other who are any to say no? We talk about morals but where are the morals? where is the outrage to what is happening to our pensioners when the government cuts money to keep them warm over the winter? Why aren't people shouting about that moral outrage? All this is is a distraction to keep us away from what goes on, like a magician do a slight of hand trick, keeps you focused over there! when pulling a very simple pull here. Hope this answers your question.
Yawn, yawn! Is there no article that you won't turn around and mention the government or 'the system'? I think you are just jealous because you're somewhere near the bottom of the ladder. You keep on about the pensioners. If they can't cope on the handouts from the Government, maybe they should have saved a little more during their working lives. Why should people think it's ok to live for the moment, spend all their cash, and then expect me and other tax payers to fund a comfortable life? It's attitudes like yours that have screwed this country. i.e. you expect the state to look after you.
Paul, there is no doubt rabbit is completely off the wall (no pun intended to our very own wall-tard), he always refers to the establishment, bankers and wan**rs. No doubt he/she is a fully paid up member of the latter species.
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.[/p][/quote]But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this?[/p][/quote]Life is just an experience, we are just biological robots experiencing a duality. If these humans wish to explore their love for each other who are any to say no? We talk about morals but where are the morals? where is the outrage to what is happening to our pensioners when the government cuts money to keep them warm over the winter? Why aren't people shouting about that moral outrage? All this is is a distraction to keep us away from what goes on, like a magician do a slight of hand trick, keeps you focused over there! when pulling a very simple pull here. Hope this answers your question.[/p][/quote]Yawn, yawn! Is there no article that you won't turn around and mention the government or 'the system'? I think you are just jealous because you're somewhere near the bottom of the ladder. You keep on about the pensioners. If they can't cope on the handouts from the Government, maybe they should have saved a little more during their working lives. Why should people think it's ok to live for the moment, spend all their cash, and then expect me and other tax payers to fund a comfortable life? It's attitudes like yours that have screwed this country. i.e. you expect the state to look after you.[/p][/quote]Paul, there is no doubt rabbit is completely off the wall (no pun intended to our very own wall-tard), he always refers to the establishment, bankers and wan**rs. No doubt he/she is a fully paid up member of the latter species. molsey

12:56pm Mon 30 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

PaulErith wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
molsey wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote: Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.
But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this?
Life is just an experience, we are just biological robots experiencing a duality. If these humans wish to explore their love for each other who are any to say no? We talk about morals but where are the morals? where is the outrage to what is happening to our pensioners when the government cuts money to keep them warm over the winter? Why aren't people shouting about that moral outrage? All this is is a distraction to keep us away from what goes on, like a magician do a slight of hand trick, keeps you focused over there! when pulling a very simple pull here. Hope this answers your question.
Yawn, yawn! Is there no article that you won't turn around and mention the government or 'the system'? I think you are just jealous because you're somewhere near the bottom of the ladder. You keep on about the pensioners. If they can't cope on the handouts from the Government, maybe they should have saved a little more during their working lives. Why should people think it's ok to live for the moment, spend all their cash, and then expect me and other tax payers to fund a comfortable life? It's attitudes like yours that have screwed this country. i.e. you expect the state to look after you.
Have you ever questioned WHAT MONEY IS? I doubt you have ever questioned anything in your life. Ok simple question.
A bank is where people put there money into for safe keeping. Ok where does it get the money from to pay it's staff and also pay it's managers.
I have an account, My wages goes straight in and my wages are thus spent in a week. SO WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM IF I GET A LOAN/ MORTGAGE. And no, my money like everyone else's money that goes into a bank, they are not allowed to use that money. So where does this money come from? ANSWER THAT PLEASE!
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.[/p][/quote]But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this?[/p][/quote]Life is just an experience, we are just biological robots experiencing a duality. If these humans wish to explore their love for each other who are any to say no? We talk about morals but where are the morals? where is the outrage to what is happening to our pensioners when the government cuts money to keep them warm over the winter? Why aren't people shouting about that moral outrage? All this is is a distraction to keep us away from what goes on, like a magician do a slight of hand trick, keeps you focused over there! when pulling a very simple pull here. Hope this answers your question.[/p][/quote]Yawn, yawn! Is there no article that you won't turn around and mention the government or 'the system'? I think you are just jealous because you're somewhere near the bottom of the ladder. You keep on about the pensioners. If they can't cope on the handouts from the Government, maybe they should have saved a little more during their working lives. Why should people think it's ok to live for the moment, spend all their cash, and then expect me and other tax payers to fund a comfortable life? It's attitudes like yours that have screwed this country. i.e. you expect the state to look after you.[/p][/quote]Have you ever questioned WHAT MONEY IS? I doubt you have ever questioned anything in your life. Ok simple question. A bank is where people put there money into for safe keeping. Ok where does it get the money from to pay it's staff and also pay it's managers. I have an account, My wages goes straight in and my wages are thus spent in a week. SO WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM IF I GET A LOAN/ MORTGAGE. And no, my money like everyone else's money that goes into a bank, they are not allowed to use that money. So where does this money come from? ANSWER THAT PLEASE! white rabbit9

1:16pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
molsey wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote: Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.
But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this?
Life is just an experience, we are just biological robots experiencing a duality. If these humans wish to explore their love for each other who are any to say no? We talk about morals but where are the morals? where is the outrage to what is happening to our pensioners when the government cuts money to keep them warm over the winter? Why aren't people shouting about that moral outrage? All this is is a distraction to keep us away from what goes on, like a magician do a slight of hand trick, keeps you focused over there! when pulling a very simple pull here. Hope this answers your question.
Yawn, yawn! Is there no article that you won't turn around and mention the government or 'the system'? I think you are just jealous because you're somewhere near the bottom of the ladder. You keep on about the pensioners. If they can't cope on the handouts from the Government, maybe they should have saved a little more during their working lives. Why should people think it's ok to live for the moment, spend all their cash, and then expect me and other tax payers to fund a comfortable life? It's attitudes like yours that have screwed this country. i.e. you expect the state to look after you.
Have you ever questioned WHAT MONEY IS? I doubt you have ever questioned anything in your life. Ok simple question.
A bank is where people put there money into for safe keeping. Ok where does it get the money from to pay it's staff and also pay it's managers.
I have an account, My wages goes straight in and my wages are thus spent in a week. SO WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM IF I GET A LOAN/ MORTGAGE. And no, my money like everyone else's money that goes into a bank, they are not allowed to use that money. So where does this money come from? ANSWER THAT PLEASE!
You idiot - nobody is going to answer you as you can't even give people the common curtesy of answering the points which relate to this thread. Including those directed toward you. Interesting.

I think with this tread and the one on Dementia you have shown yourself up for what you are; an egotistical, self-absorbed, manipulating, uneducated, ignorant, immature fool. Looking at the Dementia thread I notice all your posts are plus where everyone else's posts are minus; and you declare you don't use the thumbs button. You just don't know how to participate in a reasonable debate do you? Let's see if next time you can at least stay on the same planet as us, let alone the same page, however I sincerely doubt any commentators on here will have much time for the eponymous fragmented White Rabbit Rants anymore.

I bid you the Seasons Greetings and hope you will have a happier New Year.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.[/p][/quote]But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this?[/p][/quote]Life is just an experience, we are just biological robots experiencing a duality. If these humans wish to explore their love for each other who are any to say no? We talk about morals but where are the morals? where is the outrage to what is happening to our pensioners when the government cuts money to keep them warm over the winter? Why aren't people shouting about that moral outrage? All this is is a distraction to keep us away from what goes on, like a magician do a slight of hand trick, keeps you focused over there! when pulling a very simple pull here. Hope this answers your question.[/p][/quote]Yawn, yawn! Is there no article that you won't turn around and mention the government or 'the system'? I think you are just jealous because you're somewhere near the bottom of the ladder. You keep on about the pensioners. If they can't cope on the handouts from the Government, maybe they should have saved a little more during their working lives. Why should people think it's ok to live for the moment, spend all their cash, and then expect me and other tax payers to fund a comfortable life? It's attitudes like yours that have screwed this country. i.e. you expect the state to look after you.[/p][/quote]Have you ever questioned WHAT MONEY IS? I doubt you have ever questioned anything in your life. Ok simple question. A bank is where people put there money into for safe keeping. Ok where does it get the money from to pay it's staff and also pay it's managers. I have an account, My wages goes straight in and my wages are thus spent in a week. SO WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM IF I GET A LOAN/ MORTGAGE. And no, my money like everyone else's money that goes into a bank, they are not allowed to use that money. So where does this money come from? ANSWER THAT PLEASE![/p][/quote]You idiot - nobody is going to answer you as you can't even give people the common curtesy of answering the points which relate to this thread. Including those directed toward you. Interesting. I think with this tread and the one on Dementia you have shown yourself up for what you are; an egotistical, self-absorbed, manipulating, uneducated, ignorant, immature fool. Looking at the Dementia thread I notice all your posts are plus where everyone else's posts are minus; and you declare you don't use the thumbs button. You just don't know how to participate in a reasonable debate do you? Let's see if next time you can at least stay on the same planet as us, let alone the same page, however I sincerely doubt any commentators on here will have much time for the eponymous fragmented White Rabbit Rants anymore. I bid you the Seasons Greetings and hope you will have a happier New Year. Dr. Nick

1:36pm Mon 30 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

You idiot - nobody is going to answer you as you can't even give people the common curtesy of answering the points which relate to this thread. Including those directed toward you. Interesting.

In other words YOU DON'T KNOW?
--------------------
--------------------
--------------------
-
I think with this tread and the one on Dementia you have shown yourself up for what you are; an egotistical, self-absorbed, manipulating, uneducated, ignorant, immature fool.

And you can't answer the question, and I am the fool? lol
--------------------
--------------------
--------------------
--
and you declare you don't use the thumbs button.

I told you about 5 for fun, but now I don't and will never push it.

--------------------
--------------------
--------------------
--------------------

You just don't know how to participate in a reasonable debate do you? Let's see if next time you can at least stay on the same planet as us,

If I were to reamin on the same planet as you why would I bother responding I might as well copy and paste your response.

You liberals don't like anything or anyone that thinks differently to yourselves. AMAZING!
You idiot - nobody is going to answer you as you can't even give people the common curtesy of answering the points which relate to this thread. Including those directed toward you. Interesting. In other words YOU DON'T KNOW? -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- - I think with this tread and the one on Dementia you have shown yourself up for what you are; an egotistical, self-absorbed, manipulating, uneducated, ignorant, immature fool. And you can't answer the question, and I am the fool? lol -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- -- and you declare you don't use the thumbs button. I told you about 5 for fun, but now I don't and will never push it. -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- You just don't know how to participate in a reasonable debate do you? Let's see if next time you can at least stay on the same planet as us, If I were to reamin on the same planet as you why would I bother responding I might as well copy and paste your response. You liberals don't like anything or anyone that thinks differently to yourselves. AMAZING! white rabbit9

1:42pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
You idiot - nobody is going to answer you as you can't even give people the common curtesy of answering the points which relate to this thread. Including those directed toward you. Interesting.

In other words YOU DON'T KNOW?
--------------------

--------------------

--------------------

-
I think with this tread and the one on Dementia you have shown yourself up for what you are; an egotistical, self-absorbed, manipulating, uneducated, ignorant, immature fool.

And you can't answer the question, and I am the fool? lol
--------------------

--------------------

--------------------

--
and you declare you don't use the thumbs button.

I told you about 5 for fun, but now I don't and will never push it.

--------------------

--------------------

--------------------

--------------------


You just don't know how to participate in a reasonable debate do you? Let's see if next time you can at least stay on the same planet as us,

If I were to reamin on the same planet as you why would I bother responding I might as well copy and paste your response.

You liberals don't like anything or anyone that thinks differently to yourselves. AMAZING!
LOL, "AMAZING!", PMSLMFHO @U
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: You idiot - nobody is going to answer you as you can't even give people the common curtesy of answering the points which relate to this thread. Including those directed toward you. Interesting. In other words YOU DON'T KNOW? -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- - I think with this tread and the one on Dementia you have shown yourself up for what you are; an egotistical, self-absorbed, manipulating, uneducated, ignorant, immature fool. And you can't answer the question, and I am the fool? lol -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- -- and you declare you don't use the thumbs button. I told you about 5 for fun, but now I don't and will never push it. -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- You just don't know how to participate in a reasonable debate do you? Let's see if next time you can at least stay on the same planet as us, If I were to reamin on the same planet as you why would I bother responding I might as well copy and paste your response. You liberals don't like anything or anyone that thinks differently to yourselves. AMAZING![/p][/quote]LOL, "AMAZING!", PMSLMFHO @U Dr. Nick

3:18pm Mon 30 Dec 13

PaulErith says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
molsey wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote: Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.
But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this?
Life is just an experience, we are just biological robots experiencing a duality. If these humans wish to explore their love for each other who are any to say no? We talk about morals but where are the morals? where is the outrage to what is happening to our pensioners when the government cuts money to keep them warm over the winter? Why aren't people shouting about that moral outrage? All this is is a distraction to keep us away from what goes on, like a magician do a slight of hand trick, keeps you focused over there! when pulling a very simple pull here. Hope this answers your question.
Yawn, yawn! Is there no article that you won't turn around and mention the government or 'the system'? I think you are just jealous because you're somewhere near the bottom of the ladder. You keep on about the pensioners. If they can't cope on the handouts from the Government, maybe they should have saved a little more during their working lives. Why should people think it's ok to live for the moment, spend all their cash, and then expect me and other tax payers to fund a comfortable life? It's attitudes like yours that have screwed this country. i.e. you expect the state to look after you.
Have you ever questioned WHAT MONEY IS? I doubt you have ever questioned anything in your life. Ok simple question. A bank is where people put there money into for safe keeping. Ok where does it get the money from to pay it's staff and also pay it's managers. I have an account, My wages goes straight in and my wages are thus spent in a week. SO WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM IF I GET A LOAN/ MORTGAGE. And no, my money like everyone else's money that goes into a bank, they are not allowed to use that money. So where does this money come from? ANSWER THAT PLEASE!
I don't quite get your comment about banks not being allowed to use your money! The reserve requirement of banks is actually incredibly low (i.e. the amount of actual cash they need to have as a ratio of the total amount of deposits that people and businesses have given to them). That's why it is possible to get a 'run on the bank'. I think core Tier 1 capital ratio is being increased to 4.5% over the next few years. Yes, it's a very low number but there are also other requirements to ensure that the bank's non liquid assets are sufficient to meet its balance sheet. The point is, the bank uses your money to lend to other people or to invest. You personally may put in and spend your cash each week as do a lot of people, but as a wider pot of millions of people's money, the fact is that only a small percentage is actually demanded back at any one time. A prudent bank is doing good for everyone. 1) Everyone always has access to their cash when you need it, 2) people needing loans and mortgages get that help, 3) the banks directly employ hundreds of thousands of people, 4) the tax from those employees and the bank's profits helps the government's coffers,.....etc.
Now, obviously as was proven, if the regulation falls short or a bank gets too greedy, it can have an adverse effect. But, don't just be totally down on the banks. A well run bank benefits everyone in the entire economy.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.[/p][/quote]But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this?[/p][/quote]Life is just an experience, we are just biological robots experiencing a duality. If these humans wish to explore their love for each other who are any to say no? We talk about morals but where are the morals? where is the outrage to what is happening to our pensioners when the government cuts money to keep them warm over the winter? Why aren't people shouting about that moral outrage? All this is is a distraction to keep us away from what goes on, like a magician do a slight of hand trick, keeps you focused over there! when pulling a very simple pull here. Hope this answers your question.[/p][/quote]Yawn, yawn! Is there no article that you won't turn around and mention the government or 'the system'? I think you are just jealous because you're somewhere near the bottom of the ladder. You keep on about the pensioners. If they can't cope on the handouts from the Government, maybe they should have saved a little more during their working lives. Why should people think it's ok to live for the moment, spend all their cash, and then expect me and other tax payers to fund a comfortable life? It's attitudes like yours that have screwed this country. i.e. you expect the state to look after you.[/p][/quote]Have you ever questioned WHAT MONEY IS? I doubt you have ever questioned anything in your life. Ok simple question. A bank is where people put there money into for safe keeping. Ok where does it get the money from to pay it's staff and also pay it's managers. I have an account, My wages goes straight in and my wages are thus spent in a week. SO WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM IF I GET A LOAN/ MORTGAGE. And no, my money like everyone else's money that goes into a bank, they are not allowed to use that money. So where does this money come from? ANSWER THAT PLEASE![/p][/quote]I don't quite get your comment about banks not being allowed to use your money! The reserve requirement of banks is actually incredibly low (i.e. the amount of actual cash they need to have as a ratio of the total amount of deposits that people and businesses have given to them). That's why it is possible to get a 'run on the bank'. I think core Tier 1 capital ratio is being increased to 4.5% over the next few years. Yes, it's a very low number but there are also other requirements to ensure that the bank's non liquid assets are sufficient to meet its balance sheet. The point is, the bank uses your money to lend to other people or to invest. You personally may put in and spend your cash each week as do a lot of people, but as a wider pot of millions of people's money, the fact is that only a small percentage is actually demanded back at any one time. A prudent bank is doing good for everyone. 1) Everyone always has access to their cash when you need it, 2) people needing loans and mortgages get that help, 3) the banks directly employ hundreds of thousands of people, 4) the tax from those employees and the bank's profits helps the government's coffers,.....etc. Now, obviously as was proven, if the regulation falls short or a bank gets too greedy, it can have an adverse effect. But, don't just be totally down on the banks. A well run bank benefits everyone in the entire economy. PaulErith

4:00pm Mon 30 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

the bank uses your money to lend to other people or to invest
--------------------
-

WTF?????/ What do you mean uses my money to invest? or give to oter people? where did I sign that agreement?

don't just be totally down on the banks. A well run bank benefits everyone in the entire economy.

The banks only benefit those who own it and run it. Who owns it and runs it ROTHSCHILDS! It's a ponzi scheme and it's out of control.

I can understand that you can't see the truth you have alot invested in this ride. lol
the bank uses your money to lend to other people or to invest -------------------- - WTF?????/ What do you mean uses my money to invest? or give to oter people? where did I sign that agreement? don't just be totally down on the banks. A well run bank benefits everyone in the entire economy. The banks only benefit those who own it and run it. Who owns it and runs it ROTHSCHILDS! It's a ponzi scheme and it's out of control. I can understand that you can't see the truth you have alot invested in this ride. lol white rabbit9

4:47pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

I've called the emergency services again about WR9, they will place him/her in a secure unit for everyone's safety as soon as they track the lunatic down from its ISP address.
I've called the emergency services again about WR9, they will place him/her in a secure unit for everyone's safety as soon as they track the lunatic down from its ISP address. Biffo.

4:56pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

Biffo. wrote:
I've called the emergency services again about WR9, they will place him/her in a secure unit for everyone's safety as soon as they track the lunatic down from its ISP address.
Best call TrollHunters ... I'll get you their number ...
[quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: I've called the emergency services again about WR9, they will place him/her in a secure unit for everyone's safety as soon as they track the lunatic down from its ISP address.[/p][/quote]Best call TrollHunters ... I'll get you their number ... Dr. Nick

5:09pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
Biffo. wrote:
I've called the emergency services again about WR9, they will place him/her in a secure unit for everyone's safety as soon as they track the lunatic down from its ISP address.
Best call TrollHunters ... I'll get you their number ...
I called them several times but even they said WR9s beyond their help. If we could only get it to the RSPCA they will put it to sleep inhumanly.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: I've called the emergency services again about WR9, they will place him/her in a secure unit for everyone's safety as soon as they track the lunatic down from its ISP address.[/p][/quote]Best call TrollHunters ... I'll get you their number ...[/p][/quote]I called them several times but even they said WR9s beyond their help. If we could only get it to the RSPCA they will put it to sleep inhumanly. Biffo.

5:10pm Mon 30 Dec 13

molsey says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
molsey wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote: Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.
But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this?
Life is just an experience, we are just biological robots experiencing a duality. If these humans wish to explore their love for each other who are any to say no? We talk about morals but where are the morals? where is the outrage to what is happening to our pensioners when the government cuts money to keep them warm over the winter? Why aren't people shouting about that moral outrage? All this is is a distraction to keep us away from what goes on, like a magician do a slight of hand trick, keeps you focused over there! when pulling a very simple pull here. Hope this answers your question.
Yawn, yawn! Is there no article that you won't turn around and mention the government or 'the system'? I think you are just jealous because you're somewhere near the bottom of the ladder. You keep on about the pensioners. If they can't cope on the handouts from the Government, maybe they should have saved a little more during their working lives. Why should people think it's ok to live for the moment, spend all their cash, and then expect me and other tax payers to fund a comfortable life? It's attitudes like yours that have screwed this country. i.e. you expect the state to look after you.
Have you ever questioned WHAT MONEY IS? I doubt you have ever questioned anything in your life. Ok simple question.
A bank is where people put there money into for safe keeping. Ok where does it get the money from to pay it's staff and also pay it's managers.
I have an account, My wages goes straight in and my wages are thus spent in a week. SO WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM IF I GET A LOAN/ MORTGAGE. And no, my money like everyone else's money that goes into a bank, they are not allowed to use that money. So where does this money come from? ANSWER THAT PLEASE!
You idiot - nobody is going to answer you as you can't even give people the common curtesy of answering the points which relate to this thread. Including those directed toward you. Interesting.

I think with this tread and the one on Dementia you have shown yourself up for what you are; an egotistical, self-absorbed, manipulating, uneducated, ignorant, immature fool. Looking at the Dementia thread I notice all your posts are plus where everyone else's posts are minus; and you declare you don't use the thumbs button. You just don't know how to participate in a reasonable debate do you? Let's see if next time you can at least stay on the same planet as us, let alone the same page, however I sincerely doubt any commentators on here will have much time for the eponymous fragmented White Rabbit Rants anymore.

I bid you the Seasons Greetings and hope you will have a happier New Year.
Right on, yeeeeeeeeeeee ha!
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.[/p][/quote]But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this?[/p][/quote]Life is just an experience, we are just biological robots experiencing a duality. If these humans wish to explore their love for each other who are any to say no? We talk about morals but where are the morals? where is the outrage to what is happening to our pensioners when the government cuts money to keep them warm over the winter? Why aren't people shouting about that moral outrage? All this is is a distraction to keep us away from what goes on, like a magician do a slight of hand trick, keeps you focused over there! when pulling a very simple pull here. Hope this answers your question.[/p][/quote]Yawn, yawn! Is there no article that you won't turn around and mention the government or 'the system'? I think you are just jealous because you're somewhere near the bottom of the ladder. You keep on about the pensioners. If they can't cope on the handouts from the Government, maybe they should have saved a little more during their working lives. Why should people think it's ok to live for the moment, spend all their cash, and then expect me and other tax payers to fund a comfortable life? It's attitudes like yours that have screwed this country. i.e. you expect the state to look after you.[/p][/quote]Have you ever questioned WHAT MONEY IS? I doubt you have ever questioned anything in your life. Ok simple question. A bank is where people put there money into for safe keeping. Ok where does it get the money from to pay it's staff and also pay it's managers. I have an account, My wages goes straight in and my wages are thus spent in a week. SO WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM IF I GET A LOAN/ MORTGAGE. And no, my money like everyone else's money that goes into a bank, they are not allowed to use that money. So where does this money come from? ANSWER THAT PLEASE![/p][/quote]You idiot - nobody is going to answer you as you can't even give people the common curtesy of answering the points which relate to this thread. Including those directed toward you. Interesting. I think with this tread and the one on Dementia you have shown yourself up for what you are; an egotistical, self-absorbed, manipulating, uneducated, ignorant, immature fool. Looking at the Dementia thread I notice all your posts are plus where everyone else's posts are minus; and you declare you don't use the thumbs button. You just don't know how to participate in a reasonable debate do you? Let's see if next time you can at least stay on the same planet as us, let alone the same page, however I sincerely doubt any commentators on here will have much time for the eponymous fragmented White Rabbit Rants anymore. I bid you the Seasons Greetings and hope you will have a happier New Year.[/p][/quote]Right on, yeeeeeeeeeeee ha! molsey

5:29pm Mon 30 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

Interesting about White Rabbit. In another article with an equal measure of his complete nonsense, the thumbs up and down went crazy (in his favour of course). So even though scores of posters agreed on an issue, it was White Rabbit's lone crazy voice that got thumbs up, and the others got thumbs down. Huge self ego and many devices to operate on! IT worker?
Interesting about White Rabbit. In another article with an equal measure of his complete nonsense, the thumbs up and down went crazy (in his favour of course). So even though scores of posters agreed on an issue, it was White Rabbit's lone crazy voice that got thumbs up, and the others got thumbs down. Huge self ego and many devices to operate on! IT worker? camilla75

5:57pm Mon 30 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

camilla75 wrote:
Interesting about White Rabbit. In another article with an equal measure of his complete nonsense, the thumbs up and down went crazy (in his favour of course). So even though scores of posters agreed on an issue, it was White Rabbit's lone crazy voice that got thumbs up, and the others got thumbs down. Huge self ego and many devices to operate on! IT worker?
You are Totally Paranoid!
[quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: Interesting about White Rabbit. In another article with an equal measure of his complete nonsense, the thumbs up and down went crazy (in his favour of course). So even though scores of posters agreed on an issue, it was White Rabbit's lone crazy voice that got thumbs up, and the others got thumbs down. Huge self ego and many devices to operate on! IT worker?[/p][/quote]You are Totally Paranoid! white rabbit9

6:04pm Mon 30 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
Interesting about White Rabbit. In another article with an equal measure of his complete nonsense, the thumbs up and down went crazy (in his favour of course). So even though scores of posters agreed on an issue, it was White Rabbit's lone crazy voice that got thumbs up, and the others got thumbs down. Huge self ego and many devices to operate on! IT worker?
You are Totally Paranoid!
That is hilarious! White Rabbit calls someone paranoid!.....Have you had a moment to read what you have been writing? Or have you been busy in the bank? Disappointed not to have had 20 thumbs down yet!
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: Interesting about White Rabbit. In another article with an equal measure of his complete nonsense, the thumbs up and down went crazy (in his favour of course). So even though scores of posters agreed on an issue, it was White Rabbit's lone crazy voice that got thumbs up, and the others got thumbs down. Huge self ego and many devices to operate on! IT worker?[/p][/quote]You are Totally Paranoid![/p][/quote]That is hilarious! White Rabbit calls someone paranoid!.....Have you had a moment to read what you have been writing? Or have you been busy in the bank? Disappointed not to have had 20 thumbs down yet! camilla75

6:18pm Mon 30 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

camilla75 wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
Interesting about White Rabbit. In another article with an equal measure of his complete nonsense, the thumbs up and down went crazy (in his favour of course). So even though scores of posters agreed on an issue, it was White Rabbit's lone crazy voice that got thumbs up, and the others got thumbs down. Huge self ego and many devices to operate on! IT worker?
You are Totally Paranoid!
That is hilarious! White Rabbit calls someone paranoid!.....Have you had a moment to read what you have been writing? Or have you been busy in the bank? Disappointed not to have had 20 thumbs down yet!
What I write is the truth, no paranoia ,just the truth. What you wrote is well, paranoid. To actually believe I have different devices and is a IT worker!

Freaky none the less.
[quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: Interesting about White Rabbit. In another article with an equal measure of his complete nonsense, the thumbs up and down went crazy (in his favour of course). So even though scores of posters agreed on an issue, it was White Rabbit's lone crazy voice that got thumbs up, and the others got thumbs down. Huge self ego and many devices to operate on! IT worker?[/p][/quote]You are Totally Paranoid![/p][/quote]That is hilarious! White Rabbit calls someone paranoid!.....Have you had a moment to read what you have been writing? Or have you been busy in the bank? Disappointed not to have had 20 thumbs down yet![/p][/quote]What I write is the truth, no paranoia ,just the truth. What you wrote is well, paranoid. To actually believe I have different devices and is a IT worker! Freaky none the less. white rabbit9

6:28pm Mon 30 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
Interesting about White Rabbit. In another article with an equal measure of his complete nonsense, the thumbs up and down went crazy (in his favour of course). So even though scores of posters agreed on an issue, it was White Rabbit's lone crazy voice that got thumbs up, and the others got thumbs down. Huge self ego and many devices to operate on! IT worker?
You are Totally Paranoid!
That is hilarious! White Rabbit calls someone paranoid!.....Have you had a moment to read what you have been writing? Or have you been busy in the bank? Disappointed not to have had 20 thumbs down yet!
What I write is the truth, no paranoia ,just the truth. What you wrote is well, paranoid. To actually believe I have different devices and is a IT worker!

Freaky none the less.
You may or may not be paranoid, but you are either bonkers or just attention seeking.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: Interesting about White Rabbit. In another article with an equal measure of his complete nonsense, the thumbs up and down went crazy (in his favour of course). So even though scores of posters agreed on an issue, it was White Rabbit's lone crazy voice that got thumbs up, and the others got thumbs down. Huge self ego and many devices to operate on! IT worker?[/p][/quote]You are Totally Paranoid![/p][/quote]That is hilarious! White Rabbit calls someone paranoid!.....Have you had a moment to read what you have been writing? Or have you been busy in the bank? Disappointed not to have had 20 thumbs down yet![/p][/quote]What I write is the truth, no paranoia ,just the truth. What you wrote is well, paranoid. To actually believe I have different devices and is a IT worker! Freaky none the less.[/p][/quote]You may or may not be paranoid, but you are either bonkers or just attention seeking. camilla75

6:29pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
Interesting about White Rabbit. In another article with an equal measure of his complete nonsense, the thumbs up and down went crazy (in his favour of course). So even though scores of posters agreed on an issue, it was White Rabbit's lone crazy voice that got thumbs up, and the others got thumbs down. Huge self ego and many devices to operate on! IT worker?
You are Totally Paranoid!
That is hilarious! White Rabbit calls someone paranoid!.....Have you had a moment to read what you have been writing? Or have you been busy in the bank? Disappointed not to have had 20 thumbs down yet!
What I write is the truth, no paranoia ,just the truth. What you wrote is well, paranoid. To actually believe I have different devices and is a IT worker!

Freaky none the less.
Blah blah blah.... Blah blah blah... Blah blah blah.... Blah blah blah... Blah blah blah.... Blah blah blah... Blah blah blah.... Blah blah blah... Blah blah blah.... Blah blah blah... Blah blah blah.... Blah blah blah... Blah blah blah.... Blah blah blah... Blah blah blah.... Blah blah blah...
(signed White Rabbit)
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: Interesting about White Rabbit. In another article with an equal measure of his complete nonsense, the thumbs up and down went crazy (in his favour of course). So even though scores of posters agreed on an issue, it was White Rabbit's lone crazy voice that got thumbs up, and the others got thumbs down. Huge self ego and many devices to operate on! IT worker?[/p][/quote]You are Totally Paranoid![/p][/quote]That is hilarious! White Rabbit calls someone paranoid!.....Have you had a moment to read what you have been writing? Or have you been busy in the bank? Disappointed not to have had 20 thumbs down yet![/p][/quote]What I write is the truth, no paranoia ,just the truth. What you wrote is well, paranoid. To actually believe I have different devices and is a IT worker! Freaky none the less.[/p][/quote]Blah blah blah.... Blah blah blah... Blah blah blah.... Blah blah blah... Blah blah blah.... Blah blah blah... Blah blah blah.... Blah blah blah... Blah blah blah.... Blah blah blah... Blah blah blah.... Blah blah blah... Blah blah blah.... Blah blah blah... Blah blah blah.... Blah blah blah... (signed White Rabbit) Dr. Nick

6:33pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
believe I have different devices

White Rabbit, nobody said you had "different devices" - did you just let something slip out there? It would explain a lot.

Bad Bunny, Bad!
white rabbit9 wrote: believe I have different devices White Rabbit, nobody said you had "different devices" - did you just let something slip out there? It would explain a lot. Bad Bunny, Bad! Dr. Nick

7:05pm Mon 30 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
believe I have different devices

White Rabbit, nobody said you had "different devices" - did you just let something slip out there? It would explain a lot.

Bad Bunny, Bad!
Huge self ego and many devices to operate on! IT worker?

Many devices,? different devices? I took it as the same thing.

Knowledge is a power thing but it does narf make others paranoid.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: white rabbit9 wrote: believe I have different devices White Rabbit, nobody said you had "different devices" - did you just let something slip out there? It would explain a lot. Bad Bunny, Bad![/p][/quote]Huge self ego and many devices to operate on! IT worker? Many devices,? different devices? I took it as the same thing. Knowledge is a power thing but it does narf make others paranoid. white rabbit9

7:12pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

As a side note my GF has a rabbit. Not a fluffy old bunny either.
As a side note my GF has a rabbit. Not a fluffy old bunny either. Biffo.

7:23pm Mon 30 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

What was the article about? Banking? Dementia? Chemicals in the sky? Oh yes, a teacher. And the odd situation that what students have seen and heard and thought well out of order was considered 'emotional support'. They are probably having a good laugh at that one.
But back to White Rabbit. How are your?
What was the article about? Banking? Dementia? Chemicals in the sky? Oh yes, a teacher. And the odd situation that what students have seen and heard and thought well out of order was considered 'emotional support'. They are probably having a good laugh at that one. But back to White Rabbit. How are your? camilla75

7:33pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

*sits back and watches tonights episode of the White Rabbit Show*
Episode 3: Paranoia (aka Are You Watching ME ME ME ME!!!)

Amazing acting. One could almost start to believe White Rabbit is for real. No wait, that would make me paranoid to think like that.
*sits back and watches tonights episode of the White Rabbit Show* Episode 3: Paranoia (aka Are You Watching ME ME ME ME!!!) Amazing acting. One could almost start to believe White Rabbit is for real. No wait, that would make me paranoid to think like that. Dr. Nick

7:42pm Mon 30 Dec 13

molsey says...

molsey wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
molsey wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote: Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.
But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this?
Life is just an experience, we are just biological robots experiencing a duality. If these humans wish to explore their love for each other who are any to say no? We talk about morals but where are the morals? where is the outrage to what is happening to our pensioners when the government cuts money to keep them warm over the winter? Why aren't people shouting about that moral outrage? All this is is a distraction to keep us away from what goes on, like a magician do a slight of hand trick, keeps you focused over there! when pulling a very simple pull here. Hope this answers your question.
Yawn, yawn! Is there no article that you won't turn around and mention the government or 'the system'? I think you are just jealous because you're somewhere near the bottom of the ladder. You keep on about the pensioners. If they can't cope on the handouts from the Government, maybe they should have saved a little more during their working lives. Why should people think it's ok to live for the moment, spend all their cash, and then expect me and other tax payers to fund a comfortable life? It's attitudes like yours that have screwed this country. i.e. you expect the state to look after you.
Have you ever questioned WHAT MONEY IS? I doubt you have ever questioned anything in your life. Ok simple question.
A bank is where people put there money into for safe keeping. Ok where does it get the money from to pay it's staff and also pay it's managers.
I have an account, My wages goes straight in and my wages are thus spent in a week. SO WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM IF I GET A LOAN/ MORTGAGE. And no, my money like everyone else's money that goes into a bank, they are not allowed to use that money. So where does this money come from? ANSWER THAT PLEASE!
You idiot - nobody is going to answer you as you can't even give people the common curtesy of answering the points which relate to this thread. Including those directed toward you. Interesting.

I think with this tread and the one on Dementia you have shown yourself up for what you are; an egotistical, self-absorbed, manipulating, uneducated, ignorant, immature fool. Looking at the Dementia thread I notice all your posts are plus where everyone else's posts are minus; and you declare you don't use the thumbs button. You just don't know how to participate in a reasonable debate do you? Let's see if next time you can at least stay on the same planet as us, let alone the same page, however I sincerely doubt any commentators on here will have much time for the eponymous fragmented White Rabbit Rants anymore.

I bid you the Seasons Greetings and hope you will have a happier New Year.
Right on, yeeeeeeeeeeee ha!
Sorry, my "Right on, yeeeeeeeeee ha" comment was meant to be in support of Dr Nick
[quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Who gives a flying ****! Pathetic! The lad is above 16 years, he can do what ever he likes.[/p][/quote]But what about the government and the bankers, surely they must have had a role in this?[/p][/quote]Life is just an experience, we are just biological robots experiencing a duality. If these humans wish to explore their love for each other who are any to say no? We talk about morals but where are the morals? where is the outrage to what is happening to our pensioners when the government cuts money to keep them warm over the winter? Why aren't people shouting about that moral outrage? All this is is a distraction to keep us away from what goes on, like a magician do a slight of hand trick, keeps you focused over there! when pulling a very simple pull here. Hope this answers your question.[/p][/quote]Yawn, yawn! Is there no article that you won't turn around and mention the government or 'the system'? I think you are just jealous because you're somewhere near the bottom of the ladder. You keep on about the pensioners. If they can't cope on the handouts from the Government, maybe they should have saved a little more during their working lives. Why should people think it's ok to live for the moment, spend all their cash, and then expect me and other tax payers to fund a comfortable life? It's attitudes like yours that have screwed this country. i.e. you expect the state to look after you.[/p][/quote]Have you ever questioned WHAT MONEY IS? I doubt you have ever questioned anything in your life. Ok simple question. A bank is where people put there money into for safe keeping. Ok where does it get the money from to pay it's staff and also pay it's managers. I have an account, My wages goes straight in and my wages are thus spent in a week. SO WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM IF I GET A LOAN/ MORTGAGE. And no, my money like everyone else's money that goes into a bank, they are not allowed to use that money. So where does this money come from? ANSWER THAT PLEASE![/p][/quote]You idiot - nobody is going to answer you as you can't even give people the common curtesy of answering the points which relate to this thread. Including those directed toward you. Interesting. I think with this tread and the one on Dementia you have shown yourself up for what you are; an egotistical, self-absorbed, manipulating, uneducated, ignorant, immature fool. Looking at the Dementia thread I notice all your posts are plus where everyone else's posts are minus; and you declare you don't use the thumbs button. You just don't know how to participate in a reasonable debate do you? Let's see if next time you can at least stay on the same planet as us, let alone the same page, however I sincerely doubt any commentators on here will have much time for the eponymous fragmented White Rabbit Rants anymore. I bid you the Seasons Greetings and hope you will have a happier New Year.[/p][/quote]Right on, yeeeeeeeeeeee ha![/p][/quote]Sorry, my "Right on, yeeeeeeeeee ha" comment was meant to be in support of Dr Nick molsey

7:47pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

Come in white rabbit,

Calling white rabbit,

Mrrrrrrrrrrrrr Wabbit, where are you Mr Wabbit.

pesky wabbit.
Come in white rabbit, Calling white rabbit, Mrrrrrrrrrrrrr Wabbit, where are you Mr Wabbit. pesky wabbit. Biffo.

7:47pm Mon 30 Dec 13

molsey says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
Interesting about White Rabbit. In another article with an equal measure of his complete nonsense, the thumbs up and down went crazy (in his favour of course). So even though scores of posters agreed on an issue, it was White Rabbit's lone crazy voice that got thumbs up, and the others got thumbs down. Huge self ego and many devices to operate on! IT worker?
You are Totally Paranoid!
That is hilarious! White Rabbit calls someone paranoid!.....Have you had a moment to read what you have been writing? Or have you been busy in the bank? Disappointed not to have had 20 thumbs down yet!
What I write is the truth, no paranoia ,just the truth. What you wrote is well, paranoid. To actually believe I have different devices and is a IT worker!

Freaky none the less.
What you write is total B*ll***s.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: Interesting about White Rabbit. In another article with an equal measure of his complete nonsense, the thumbs up and down went crazy (in his favour of course). So even though scores of posters agreed on an issue, it was White Rabbit's lone crazy voice that got thumbs up, and the others got thumbs down. Huge self ego and many devices to operate on! IT worker?[/p][/quote]You are Totally Paranoid![/p][/quote]That is hilarious! White Rabbit calls someone paranoid!.....Have you had a moment to read what you have been writing? Or have you been busy in the bank? Disappointed not to have had 20 thumbs down yet![/p][/quote]What I write is the truth, no paranoia ,just the truth. What you wrote is well, paranoid. To actually believe I have different devices and is a IT worker! Freaky none the less.[/p][/quote]What you write is total B*ll***s. molsey

8:19pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

Mean while back to the story. If Hester needs a date for New Years Eve Biffo is available. I'm young, hung, ...well you know the rest.
Mean while back to the story. If Hester needs a date for New Years Eve Biffo is available. I'm young, hung, ...well you know the rest. Biffo.

8:23pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

Biffo. wrote:
Mean while back to the story. If Hester needs a date for New Years Eve Biffo is available. I'm young, hung, ...well you know the rest.
Careful what you wish for... you may get a rabbit dressed as Hester instead - You have been warned.
[quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: Mean while back to the story. If Hester needs a date for New Years Eve Biffo is available. I'm young, hung, ...well you know the rest.[/p][/quote]Careful what you wish for... you may get a rabbit dressed as Hester instead - You have been warned. Dr. Nick

8:28pm Mon 30 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

You can catch White Rabbit on another channel. Some article about council and charity shop. WR is on about Zionism from over 'their' in America or something. He has 6000000 thumbs up, but it is still early days!
You can catch White Rabbit on another channel. Some article about council and charity shop. WR is on about Zionism from over 'their' in America or something. He has 6000000 thumbs up, but it is still early days! camilla75

9:04pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

The only channel WR9 needs is the English Channel with a piano around his/her neck.
The only channel WR9 needs is the English Channel with a piano around his/her neck. Biffo.

11:23pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Dumbledore says...

The Daily Mail have covered this in a way that makes it look like she was just taking him out for a run and being supportive.There are serious questions that remain unanswered and not reported. Two other 17 year boys were allegedly also offered 'emotional support''. She was widely reported to be drunk on a school trip with these boys. And so on and so on. Do we need teachers like this around teenagers?

This is the issue.
The Daily Mail have covered this in a way that makes it look like she was just taking him out for a run and being supportive.There are serious questions that remain unanswered and not reported. Two other 17 year boys were allegedly also offered 'emotional support''. She was widely reported to be drunk on a school trip with these boys. And so on and so on. Do we need teachers like this around teenagers? This is the issue. Dumbledore

11:28pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Neil Barsham-Rolfe says...

Thank you for all your comments above.

My wife and I have found the entire process from initial unexpected complaint to syndication in Daily Mail rather stressful.

We spoke every day about the issues she was facing with Pupil A as it unfolded and at the time, neither of us, bothe trained professionals, felt she was acting in an innapropriate manner.

We now agree that that the standards as applied to teaching, especially under certain circumstances, can be more complex than we had reaslised and so, after careful thought, Hester agreed that she had crossed that particular professional boundary.

As teacher in a professional school, Hester had not been required to take a teaching qualification, and in technical ability and in emotional ability was considered exceptional. The tribunal report backs this up.

The decision of the tribunal is correct, Hester crossed a line which she was not aware was there. I would argue it should not be the same line and that a greater amount of emotional care should fall on teachers than is currently allowed. As was said in a Daily Mail comment 'Soon, teachers being in the same room as the students will be innappropriate'.

That, although it is the main subject that shoukld be debated seems irrelevent to your comments which focus on either a misinformed position of the facts, a personal view or on the article as it stands.

As any GCSE history student is taught (at least I hope they still are), the degree of accuracy of analysis falls away as you move further from the primary sources of information.

Kind regards

Neil
Thank you for all your comments above. My wife and I have found the entire process from initial unexpected complaint to syndication in Daily Mail rather stressful. We spoke every day about the issues she was facing with Pupil A as it unfolded and at the time, neither of us, bothe trained professionals, felt she was acting in an innapropriate manner. We now agree that that the standards as applied to teaching, especially under certain circumstances, can be more complex than we had reaslised and so, after careful thought, Hester agreed that she had crossed that particular professional boundary. As teacher in a professional school, Hester had not been required to take a teaching qualification, and in technical ability and in emotional ability was considered exceptional. The tribunal report backs this up. The decision of the tribunal is correct, Hester crossed a line which she was not aware was there. I would argue it should not be the same line and that a greater amount of emotional care should fall on teachers than is currently allowed. As was said in a Daily Mail comment 'Soon, teachers being in the same room as the students will be innappropriate'. That, although it is the main subject that shoukld be debated seems irrelevent to your comments which focus on either a misinformed position of the facts, a personal view or on the article as it stands. As any GCSE history student is taught (at least I hope they still are), the degree of accuracy of analysis falls away as you move further from the primary sources of information. Kind regards Neil Neil Barsham-Rolfe

11:48pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Neil Barsham-Rolfe says...

A highly trained professional was recruited by the school. A great teacher. If there is a failing here it is that teaching training was not permitted on cost grounds and this has led to a bleed between the requirements of a professional to do their best by the students and the requirements of the school to explain by training or otherwise how this is achieved in a manner which the headmaster is comfortable?
A highly trained professional was recruited by the school. A great teacher. If there is a failing here it is that teaching training was not permitted on cost grounds and this has led to a bleed between the requirements of a professional to do their best by the students and the requirements of the school to explain by training or otherwise how this is achieved in a manner which the headmaster is comfortable? Neil Barsham-Rolfe

12:03am Tue 31 Dec 13

Neil Barsham-Rolfe says...

If Dumbledore retains a conscience, reexamine it. Please. Your approach and continued attack on my wife is wrong.

Call me directly if you have my number. If you have mislaid it, fear not I will be sending it again to the Eltham School office.

I am Neil Barsham-Rolfe.

Kind regards

Neil
If Dumbledore retains a conscience, reexamine it. Please. Your approach and continued attack on my wife is wrong. Call me directly if you have my number. If you have mislaid it, fear not I will be sending it again to the Eltham School office. I am Neil Barsham-Rolfe. Kind regards Neil Neil Barsham-Rolfe

12:34am Tue 31 Dec 13

Dumbledore says...

Neil Barsham-Rolfe wrote:
A highly trained professional was recruited by the school. A great teacher. If there is a failing here it is that teaching training was not permitted on cost grounds and this has led to a bleed between the requirements of a professional to do their best by the students and the requirements of the school to explain by training or otherwise how this is achieved in a manner which the headmaster is comfortable?
I am not a head.

However, professional boundaries and regulations protect students, schools and staff themselves. The training in this is, as 'Dr Nick' said, essential for any profession dealing with vulnerable people. The rules may seem stuffy, but it is just too risky to cross those lines. For so many reasons.
But, for what it is worth, you have my sympathy.
[quote][p][bold]Neil Barsham-Rolfe[/bold] wrote: A highly trained professional was recruited by the school. A great teacher. If there is a failing here it is that teaching training was not permitted on cost grounds and this has led to a bleed between the requirements of a professional to do their best by the students and the requirements of the school to explain by training or otherwise how this is achieved in a manner which the headmaster is comfortable?[/p][/quote]I am not a head. However, professional boundaries and regulations protect students, schools and staff themselves. The training in this is, as 'Dr Nick' said, essential for any profession dealing with vulnerable people. The rules may seem stuffy, but it is just too risky to cross those lines. For so many reasons. But, for what it is worth, you have my sympathy. Dumbledore

10:47am Tue 31 Dec 13

Dumbledore says...

Neil Barsham-Rolfe wrote:
If Dumbledore retains a conscience, reexamine it. Please. Your approach and continued attack on my wife is wrong.

Call me directly if you have my number. If you have mislaid it, fear not I will be sending it again to the Eltham School office.

I am Neil Barsham-Rolfe.

Kind regards

Neil
I do not work in or for any school. However, I stand firm. The boundaries and regulations are there for a reason.
[quote][p][bold]Neil Barsham-Rolfe[/bold] wrote: If Dumbledore retains a conscience, reexamine it. Please. Your approach and continued attack on my wife is wrong. Call me directly if you have my number. If you have mislaid it, fear not I will be sending it again to the Eltham School office. I am Neil Barsham-Rolfe. Kind regards Neil[/p][/quote]I do not work in or for any school. However, I stand firm. The boundaries and regulations are there for a reason. Dumbledore

11:05am Tue 31 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

Mr Barsham-Rolfe: I feel for your family in this situation. If indeed professional training was denied on cost grounds then the failing does lie with the school or whomever made such a dangerous decision.

I agree that mistakes can be made when professional boundaries are not made clear and this has happened in many professions in the past. Within medicine it can cost lives, within teaching it can cost innocence etc, however within all professions it will cost the jobs of otherwise decent professionals. I stick by my comment earlier that there does need to be a dynamic shift toward ensuring that -all- teachers understand the importance of professional boundaries and what it means to be a professional - that way we can avoid these mistakes in the future. The change is working within the NHS as I earlier stated, my fear is that the education sector is a little behind in this right now.

Unfortunately this is a hard lesson for Ms Barsham-Rolfe to learn, however I have seen no evidence to suggest she was a bad teacher per se, more that professionalism was not adhered to. I trust that Ms Barsham-Rolfe will learn from this lesson and will go on to become an even better teacher, as great teachers can inspire future generations.

Thank you for taking the time to reply to this thread and adding gravitas to the debate, I for one greatly appreciate it. Kind regards to your family and I wish you all a much happier New Year.
Mr Barsham-Rolfe: I feel for your family in this situation. If indeed professional training was denied on cost grounds then the failing does lie with the school or whomever made such a dangerous decision. I agree that mistakes can be made when professional boundaries are not made clear and this has happened in many professions in the past. Within medicine it can cost lives, within teaching it can cost innocence etc, however within all professions it will cost the jobs of otherwise decent professionals. I stick by my comment earlier that there does need to be a dynamic shift toward ensuring that -all- teachers understand the importance of professional boundaries and what it means to be a professional - that way we can avoid these mistakes in the future. The change is working within the NHS as I earlier stated, my fear is that the education sector is a little behind in this right now. Unfortunately this is a hard lesson for Ms Barsham-Rolfe to learn, however I have seen no evidence to suggest she was a bad teacher per se, more that professionalism was not adhered to. I trust that Ms Barsham-Rolfe will learn from this lesson and will go on to become an even better teacher, as great teachers can inspire future generations. Thank you for taking the time to reply to this thread and adding gravitas to the debate, I for one greatly appreciate it. Kind regards to your family and I wish you all a much happier New Year. Dr. Nick

11:50am Tue 31 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

The plot thickens. Or should that be the Zionist/Establishmen
t plot.

I fear WR9 has been kidnaped by the agents of Mossad. He is likely being water boarded at a top secret location somewhere in Tel Aviv at this very moment.

This message will self destruct in 60 seconds.
The plot thickens. Or should that be the Zionist/Establishmen t plot. I fear WR9 has been kidnaped by the agents of Mossad. He is likely being water boarded at a top secret location somewhere in Tel Aviv at this very moment. This message will self destruct in 60 seconds. Biffo.

12:17pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

Biffo. wrote:
The plot thickens. Or should that be the Zionist/Establishmen

t plot.

I fear WR9 has been kidnaped by the agents of Mossad. He is likely being water boarded at a top secret location somewhere in Tel Aviv at this very moment.

This message will self destruct in 60 seconds.
No, I think WR9 has realised this is where the adults/more mature in attitude are and decided they can't play anymore. I have decided not to reply to WR9 in future, as it only feeds the insane fire therein.

WR9 appears to be playing with their comments on the Food Charity news story - everyone of their comments went back down to "0" yesterday after the manipulation comment, now they are back up to "silly numbers" again. I wish they would realise that we can see exactly what they are doing. Not long before they upset everyone there too.

Back to an intelligent debate here I hope :) ...
[quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: The plot thickens. Or should that be the Zionist/Establishmen t plot. I fear WR9 has been kidnaped by the agents of Mossad. He is likely being water boarded at a top secret location somewhere in Tel Aviv at this very moment. This message will self destruct in 60 seconds.[/p][/quote]No, I think WR9 has realised this is where the adults/more mature in attitude are and decided they can't play anymore. I have decided not to reply to WR9 in future, as it only feeds the insane fire therein. WR9 appears to be playing with their comments on the Food Charity news story - everyone of their comments went back down to "0" yesterday after the manipulation comment, now they are back up to "silly numbers" again. I wish they would realise that we can see exactly what they are doing. Not long before they upset everyone there too. Back to an intelligent debate here I hope :) ... Dr. Nick

12:29pm Tue 31 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

This teacher is being portrayed as a victim. Classic. She abused her position of trust. She should apologise, and take rather than pass the blame. This school did not teach her about boundaries? Boundaries are common sense. The school and parents, according to the article, asked her to stop contact outside school, and she agreed and then completely ignored the request. End of story.
This teacher is being portrayed as a victim. Classic. She abused her position of trust. She should apologise, and take rather than pass the blame. This school did not teach her about boundaries? Boundaries are common sense. The school and parents, according to the article, asked her to stop contact outside school, and she agreed and then completely ignored the request. End of story. camilla75

12:38pm Tue 31 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Boundaries are common sense
--------------------
--------------------
-------------------

What is common sense? I love it when i hear this. Yet if you put it down on paper what common sense is I can tear it apart. It's like asking what is art? How do you define something? If I was to put down that "any sexual interference with a child is not allowed it is common sense" I can have a religion destroy that common sense. You can't mess with religion, that's common sense! See it is impossible. so common sense is subjective in an objective world.
Boundaries are common sense -------------------- -------------------- ------------------- What is common sense? I love it when i hear this. Yet if you put it down on paper what common sense is I can tear it apart. It's like asking what is art? How do you define something? If I was to put down that "any sexual interference with a child is not allowed it is common sense" I can have a religion destroy that common sense. You can't mess with religion, that's common sense! See it is impossible. so common sense is subjective in an objective world. white rabbit9

12:44pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

camilla75 wrote:
This teacher is being portrayed as a victim. Classic. She abused her position of trust. She should apologise, and take rather than pass the blame. This school did not teach her about boundaries? Boundaries are common sense. The school and parents, according to the article, asked her to stop contact outside school, and she agreed and then completely ignored the request. End of story.
Unfortunately without all of the facts this debate can only work on speculation, also not everything one reads in the papers is truth; they are there to twist stories into appetising headlines to help them sell and make profit - a sad fact in itself.

I disagree that Professional Boundaries are common sense. Having had PB training many times, I am astounded by some of the scenarios my colleagues in such sessions would deem as 'acceptable'. I myself have actually fallen fowl of this during training and I consider myself a rational and well adjusted person who have been trained by one of the best establishments in the country. Nobody is perfect. Also these boundaries tend to change with time; what was once acceptable is not now - thus training needs to be kept up to date.

Without stating clear guidelines mistakes can be make - mistakes have consequences. Therefore blame is with -both- parties in this case, the only 'victim' is the child/young adult who is the third party in all this.
[quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: This teacher is being portrayed as a victim. Classic. She abused her position of trust. She should apologise, and take rather than pass the blame. This school did not teach her about boundaries? Boundaries are common sense. The school and parents, according to the article, asked her to stop contact outside school, and she agreed and then completely ignored the request. End of story.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately without all of the facts this debate can only work on speculation, also not everything one reads in the papers is truth; they are there to twist stories into appetising headlines to help them sell and make profit - a sad fact in itself. I disagree that Professional Boundaries are common sense. Having had PB training many times, I am astounded by some of the scenarios my colleagues in such sessions would deem as 'acceptable'. I myself have actually fallen fowl of this during training and I consider myself a rational and well adjusted person who have been trained by one of the best establishments in the country. Nobody is perfect. Also these boundaries tend to change with time; what was once acceptable is not now - thus training needs to be kept up to date. Without stating clear guidelines mistakes can be make - mistakes have consequences. Therefore blame is with -both- parties in this case, the only 'victim' is the child/young adult who is the third party in all this. Dr. Nick

12:54pm Tue 31 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
Boundaries are common sense
--------------------

--------------------

-------------------

What is common sense? I love it when i hear this. Yet if you put it down on paper what common sense is I can tear it apart. It's like asking what is art? How do you define something? If I was to put down that "any sexual interference with a child is not allowed it is common sense" I can have a religion destroy that common sense. You can't mess with religion, that's common sense! See it is impossible. so common sense is subjective in an objective world.
Oh my days! Help us White Rabbit. We have all been blind. We have not eaten enough carrots.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Boundaries are common sense -------------------- -------------------- ------------------- What is common sense? I love it when i hear this. Yet if you put it down on paper what common sense is I can tear it apart. It's like asking what is art? How do you define something? If I was to put down that "any sexual interference with a child is not allowed it is common sense" I can have a religion destroy that common sense. You can't mess with religion, that's common sense! See it is impossible. so common sense is subjective in an objective world.[/p][/quote]Oh my days! Help us White Rabbit. We have all been blind. We have not eaten enough carrots. camilla75

1:01pm Tue 31 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

camilla75 wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
Boundaries are common sense
--------------------


--------------------


-------------------

What is common sense? I love it when i hear this. Yet if you put it down on paper what common sense is I can tear it apart. It's like asking what is art? How do you define something? If I was to put down that "any sexual interference with a child is not allowed it is common sense" I can have a religion destroy that common sense. You can't mess with religion, that's common sense! See it is impossible. so common sense is subjective in an objective world.
Oh my days! Help us White Rabbit. We have all been blind. We have not eaten enough carrots.
Clearly!
[quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Boundaries are common sense -------------------- -------------------- ------------------- What is common sense? I love it when i hear this. Yet if you put it down on paper what common sense is I can tear it apart. It's like asking what is art? How do you define something? If I was to put down that "any sexual interference with a child is not allowed it is common sense" I can have a religion destroy that common sense. You can't mess with religion, that's common sense! See it is impossible. so common sense is subjective in an objective world.[/p][/quote]Oh my days! Help us White Rabbit. We have all been blind. We have not eaten enough carrots.[/p][/quote]Clearly! white rabbit9

1:32pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Simon bald says...

Can we get back on topic by saying that is one fit teacher
Can we get back on topic by saying that is one fit teacher Simon bald

1:36pm Tue 31 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
This teacher is being portrayed as a victim. Classic. She abused her position of trust. She should apologise, and take rather than pass the blame. This school did not teach her about boundaries? Boundaries are common sense. The school and parents, according to the article, asked her to stop contact outside school, and she agreed and then completely ignored the request. End of story.
Unfortunately without all of the facts this debate can only work on speculation, also not everything one reads in the papers is truth; they are there to twist stories into appetising headlines to help them sell and make profit - a sad fact in itself.

I disagree that Professional Boundaries are common sense. Having had PB training many times, I am astounded by some of the scenarios my colleagues in such sessions would deem as 'acceptable'. I myself have actually fallen fowl of this during training and I consider myself a rational and well adjusted person who have been trained by one of the best establishments in the country. Nobody is perfect. Also these boundaries tend to change with time; what was once acceptable is not now - thus training needs to be kept up to date.

Without stating clear guidelines mistakes can be make - mistakes have consequences. Therefore blame is with -both- parties in this case, the only 'victim' is the child/young adult who is the third party in all this.
I agree with you here.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: This teacher is being portrayed as a victim. Classic. She abused her position of trust. She should apologise, and take rather than pass the blame. This school did not teach her about boundaries? Boundaries are common sense. The school and parents, according to the article, asked her to stop contact outside school, and she agreed and then completely ignored the request. End of story.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately without all of the facts this debate can only work on speculation, also not everything one reads in the papers is truth; they are there to twist stories into appetising headlines to help them sell and make profit - a sad fact in itself. I disagree that Professional Boundaries are common sense. Having had PB training many times, I am astounded by some of the scenarios my colleagues in such sessions would deem as 'acceptable'. I myself have actually fallen fowl of this during training and I consider myself a rational and well adjusted person who have been trained by one of the best establishments in the country. Nobody is perfect. Also these boundaries tend to change with time; what was once acceptable is not now - thus training needs to be kept up to date. Without stating clear guidelines mistakes can be make - mistakes have consequences. Therefore blame is with -both- parties in this case, the only 'victim' is the child/young adult who is the third party in all this.[/p][/quote]I agree with you here. camilla75

3:07pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

camilla75 wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
This teacher is being portrayed as a victim. Classic. She abused her position of trust. She should apologise, and take rather than pass the blame. This school did not teach her about boundaries? Boundaries are common sense. The school and parents, according to the article, asked her to stop contact outside school, and she agreed and then completely ignored the request. End of story.
Unfortunately without all of the facts this debate can only work on speculation, also not everything one reads in the papers is truth; they are there to twist stories into appetising headlines to help them sell and make profit - a sad fact in itself.

I disagree that Professional Boundaries are common sense. Having had PB training many times, I am astounded by some of the scenarios my colleagues in such sessions would deem as 'acceptable'. I myself have actually fallen fowl of this during training and I consider myself a rational and well adjusted person who have been trained by one of the best establishments in the country. Nobody is perfect. Also these boundaries tend to change with time; what was once acceptable is not now - thus training needs to be kept up to date.

Without stating clear guidelines mistakes can be make - mistakes have consequences. Therefore blame is with -both- parties in this case, the only 'victim' is the child/young adult who is the third party in all this.
I agree with you here.
Camilla: Many will agree on this, which will upset WR9 no end :o) lol

One can always gauge WR9s outrage by the number of minuses a comment gets. I am learning that a minus on the WR9 planet equates to at least -two- pluses in real life.

Let the minuses descend :o)
[quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: This teacher is being portrayed as a victim. Classic. She abused her position of trust. She should apologise, and take rather than pass the blame. This school did not teach her about boundaries? Boundaries are common sense. The school and parents, according to the article, asked her to stop contact outside school, and she agreed and then completely ignored the request. End of story.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately without all of the facts this debate can only work on speculation, also not everything one reads in the papers is truth; they are there to twist stories into appetising headlines to help them sell and make profit - a sad fact in itself. I disagree that Professional Boundaries are common sense. Having had PB training many times, I am astounded by some of the scenarios my colleagues in such sessions would deem as 'acceptable'. I myself have actually fallen fowl of this during training and I consider myself a rational and well adjusted person who have been trained by one of the best establishments in the country. Nobody is perfect. Also these boundaries tend to change with time; what was once acceptable is not now - thus training needs to be kept up to date. Without stating clear guidelines mistakes can be make - mistakes have consequences. Therefore blame is with -both- parties in this case, the only 'victim' is the child/young adult who is the third party in all this.[/p][/quote]I agree with you here.[/p][/quote]Camilla: Many will agree on this, which will upset WR9 no end :o) lol One can always gauge WR9s outrage by the number of minuses a comment gets. I am learning that a minus on the WR9 planet equates to at least -two- pluses in real life. Let the minuses descend :o) Dr. Nick

3:23pm Tue 31 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Like I have said, but i know you're paranoid,

I NO LONGER PRESS THE BUTTONS BECAUSE OF YOUR PARANOIA!

Everyone is entitled to there opinion, well except mine, I bring out the NAZI in people.
Like I have said, but i know you're paranoid, I NO LONGER PRESS THE BUTTONS BECAUSE OF YOUR PARANOIA! Everyone is entitled to there opinion, well except mine, I bring out the NAZI in people. white rabbit9

3:36pm Tue 31 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
Like I have said, but i know you're paranoid,

I NO LONGER PRESS THE BUTTONS BECAUSE OF YOUR PARANOIA!

Everyone is entitled to there opinion, well except mine, I bring out the NAZI in people.
You do rather! Either you are still playing with that button or you have a cult following. Which is quite funny as lots of youngsters might be reading and firmly agreeing with you (unless they are just driving and are worried that someone with severe dementia might be best of in a cab than behind a wheel).
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Like I have said, but i know you're paranoid, I NO LONGER PRESS THE BUTTONS BECAUSE OF YOUR PARANOIA! Everyone is entitled to there opinion, well except mine, I bring out the NAZI in people.[/p][/quote]You do rather! Either you are still playing with that button or you have a cult following. Which is quite funny as lots of youngsters might be reading and firmly agreeing with you (unless they are just driving and are worried that someone with severe dementia might be best of in a cab than behind a wheel). camilla75

3:40pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

Its pretty obvious WR9 is in fact the web editor Simon Bull.


Come on Si you been sussed. ;)

I see Gypo Joe is suspiciously absent too.
Its pretty obvious WR9 is in fact the web editor Simon Bull. Come on Si you been sussed. ;) I see Gypo Joe is suspiciously absent too. Biffo.

3:51pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Dr. Nick says...

Godwin's Law has be reached again - that's the end of this debate I guess *sigh*
Godwin's Law has be reached again - that's the end of this debate I guess *sigh* Dr. Nick

4:05pm Tue 31 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
Godwin's Law has be reached again - that's the end of this debate I guess *sigh*
Godwins law was invented by someone to stop people talking about the holocaust where supposedly 6 million jews died. The reason why they died is thus simple, ROTHSCHILD ZIONISM created the whole world war 1&2, they wanted to get the jews to palestine and world war 1 was not enough so they made sure world war 2 was enough with killing some jews. The jews started on the germans 1913 but we only know about the germans starting on the jews, funny that.
check out the "balfour declaration". This is why godwins law was introduced to stop people talking about hitler, nazi because the truth is coming out and they don't like it.
So you make yourself to be one uninformed person listening to the system because you are a good little sheep who follows orders.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: Godwin's Law has be reached again - that's the end of this debate I guess *sigh*[/p][/quote]Godwins law was invented by someone to stop people talking about the holocaust where supposedly 6 million jews died. The reason why they died is thus simple, ROTHSCHILD ZIONISM created the whole world war 1&2, they wanted to get the jews to palestine and world war 1 was not enough so they made sure world war 2 was enough with killing some jews. The jews started on the germans 1913 but we only know about the germans starting on the jews, funny that. check out the "balfour declaration". This is why godwins law was introduced to stop people talking about hitler, nazi because the truth is coming out and they don't like it. So you make yourself to be one uninformed person listening to the system because you are a good little sheep who follows orders. white rabbit9

4:07pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

I'm Adolf Hitler let that be an end to it now.
I'm Adolf Hitler let that be an end to it now. Biffo.

6:24pm Tue 31 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Biffo. wrote:
I'm Adolf Hitler let that be an end to it now.
clueless on history.
[quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: I'm Adolf Hitler let that be an end to it now.[/p][/quote]clueless on history. white rabbit9

6:48pm Tue 31 Dec 13

camilla75 says...

White Rabbit, Maybe you could become a history teacher and go clubbing with the kids in this boundary free world. Don't post the pics though. Thread over for me too. Happy 2014.
White Rabbit, Maybe you could become a history teacher and go clubbing with the kids in this boundary free world. Don't post the pics though. Thread over for me too. Happy 2014. camilla75

6:51pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
Biffo. wrote:
I'm Adolf Hitler let that be an end to it now.
clueless on history.
Where did I put my last canister of Zyclon B, I bet it works on wabbits.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Biffo.[/bold] wrote: I'm Adolf Hitler let that be an end to it now.[/p][/quote]clueless on history.[/p][/quote]Where did I put my last canister of Zyclon B, I bet it works on wabbits. Biffo.

12:12am Fri 3 Jan 14

Dumbledore says...

Neil Barsham-Rolfe wrote:
Thank you for all your comments above.

My wife and I have found the entire process from initial unexpected complaint to syndication in Daily Mail rather stressful.

We spoke every day about the issues she was facing with Pupil A as it unfolded and at the time, neither of us, bothe trained professionals, felt she was acting in an innapropriate manner.

We now agree that that the standards as applied to teaching, especially under certain circumstances, can be more complex than we had reaslised and so, after careful thought, Hester agreed that she had crossed that particular professional boundary.

As teacher in a professional school, Hester had not been required to take a teaching qualification, and in technical ability and in emotional ability was considered exceptional. The tribunal report backs this up.

The decision of the tribunal is correct, Hester crossed a line which she was not aware was there. I would argue it should not be the same line and that a greater amount of emotional care should fall on teachers than is currently allowed. As was said in a Daily Mail comment 'Soon, teachers being in the same room as the students will be innappropriate'.

That, although it is the main subject that shoukld be debated seems irrelevent to your comments which focus on either a misinformed position of the facts, a personal view or on the article as it stands.

As any GCSE history student is taught (at least I hope they still are), the degree of accuracy of analysis falls away as you move further from the primary sources of information.

Kind regards

Neil
Mr Barsham-Rolfe,

I am sorry that you are in this position and that you, rather than Ms Barsham Rowe, have needed to respond to comments on the article. Many of the other comments in this stream may of course feel completely offensive, eg comments on looks which I am quite sure no professional would see as of relevance. I do understand how this whole matter must be difficult for both of you.

Although my own comments may be perceived as hurtful, too, and if so I regret this, they are serious ones that I believe are in the public interest. Most people reading this article, including me, do not - and cannot - know the full 'facts'. We do however know from the reports in the public domain that your wife has been investigated by the GTC about her relationship with student A and that she was judged to be guilty of professional misconduct, and that she herself accepted this to be true. Students and parents have also understood that your wife was suspended following a school trip. There were also widespread reports about this Geology trip for Y12 and Y13 which shocked many of us. Following the suspension, your wife is alleged to have socialised with Y13 students as she allegedly perceived there was then no professional reason not to do so. There are images which show this socialising, and also related stories which I and many others have heard from pupils; I grant you that some of these may well have been exaggerated. I am not asking you to comment on whether such socialising was acceptable if a teacher is suspended and under investigation. This is a matter for the GTC, schools and trainers. However, if professional boundaries have not been respected, it then naturally becomes more difficult to disbelieve these students' accounts.

I have no comment to make on whether Pupil A indeed might have benefitted from emotional support. The sort of emotional support you speak of cannot take place outside school, in secret, or against the express wishes of the school and parents. It potentially opens a door for teachers to abuse their position of authority. Boundaries are so important for all students.

I am interested in your point about training. As have said, I do not work in this (or any) school. If it is indeed the case that a school is not required or does not have the funds to offer such guidance, which can then lead to an abuse of authority, then this is surely a concern. However, your quotation of a comment made in The Daily Mail that 'teachers would soon have to be careful about being in a classroom with students' seems to take this too far. Outstanding pastoral support can be, and often is, provided by many schools to students while maintaining appropriate and reasonable professional boundaries.

My final point is this: this is not primarily about you or your wife, although I accept and regret that it affects you both significantly. It is about the teaching profession, the rules that govern it and the protection we should offer all students. It is also about whether regulations are explained to all, adhered to by all and understood by all.

I am not a teacher, but I also work with vulnerable people. Respect for professional boundaries in my sphere is essential. If your wife did not know the boundaries, she should have done so. We have a duty to educate ourselves professionally by seeking advice, reading the Codes of Conduct and respecting the regulations we have signed in the organisation we work in.
[quote][p][bold]Neil Barsham-Rolfe[/bold] wrote: Thank you for all your comments above. My wife and I have found the entire process from initial unexpected complaint to syndication in Daily Mail rather stressful. We spoke every day about the issues she was facing with Pupil A as it unfolded and at the time, neither of us, bothe trained professionals, felt she was acting in an innapropriate manner. We now agree that that the standards as applied to teaching, especially under certain circumstances, can be more complex than we had reaslised and so, after careful thought, Hester agreed that she had crossed that particular professional boundary. As teacher in a professional school, Hester had not been required to take a teaching qualification, and in technical ability and in emotional ability was considered exceptional. The tribunal report backs this up. The decision of the tribunal is correct, Hester crossed a line which she was not aware was there. I would argue it should not be the same line and that a greater amount of emotional care should fall on teachers than is currently allowed. As was said in a Daily Mail comment 'Soon, teachers being in the same room as the students will be innappropriate'. That, although it is the main subject that shoukld be debated seems irrelevent to your comments which focus on either a misinformed position of the facts, a personal view or on the article as it stands. As any GCSE history student is taught (at least I hope they still are), the degree of accuracy of analysis falls away as you move further from the primary sources of information. Kind regards Neil[/p][/quote]Mr Barsham-Rolfe, I am sorry that you are in this position and that you, rather than Ms Barsham Rowe, have needed to respond to comments on the article. Many of the other comments in this stream may of course feel completely offensive, eg comments on looks which I am quite sure no professional would see as of relevance. I do understand how this whole matter must be difficult for both of you. Although my own comments may be perceived as hurtful, too, and if so I regret this, they are serious ones that I believe are in the public interest. Most people reading this article, including me, do not - and cannot - know the full 'facts'. We do however know from the reports in the public domain that your wife has been investigated by the GTC about her relationship with student A and that she was judged to be guilty of professional misconduct, and that she herself accepted this to be true. Students and parents have also understood that your wife was suspended following a school trip. There were also widespread reports about this Geology trip for Y12 and Y13 which shocked many of us. Following the suspension, your wife is alleged to have socialised with Y13 students as she allegedly perceived there was then no professional reason not to do so. There are images which show this socialising, and also related stories which I and many others have heard from pupils; I grant you that some of these may well have been exaggerated. I am not asking you to comment on whether such socialising was acceptable if a teacher is suspended and under investigation. This is a matter for the GTC, schools and trainers. However, if professional boundaries have not been respected, it then naturally becomes more difficult to disbelieve these students' accounts. I have no comment to make on whether Pupil A indeed might have benefitted from emotional support. The sort of emotional support you speak of cannot take place outside school, in secret, or against the express wishes of the school and parents. It potentially opens a door for teachers to abuse their position of authority. Boundaries are so important for all students. I am interested in your point about training. As have said, I do not work in this (or any) school. If it is indeed the case that a school is not required or does not have the funds to offer such guidance, which can then lead to an abuse of authority, then this is surely a concern. However, your quotation of a comment made in The Daily Mail that 'teachers would soon have to be careful about being in a classroom with students' seems to take this too far. Outstanding pastoral support can be, and often is, provided by many schools to students while maintaining appropriate and reasonable professional boundaries. My final point is this: this is not primarily about you or your wife, although I accept and regret that it affects you both significantly. It is about the teaching profession, the rules that govern it and the protection we should offer all students. It is also about whether regulations are explained to all, adhered to by all and understood by all. I am not a teacher, but I also work with vulnerable people. Respect for professional boundaries in my sphere is essential. If your wife did not know the boundaries, she should have done so. We have a duty to educate ourselves professionally by seeking advice, reading the Codes of Conduct and respecting the regulations we have signed in the organisation we work in. Dumbledore

9:04am Fri 3 Jan 14

sarfflondonbird says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
camilla75 wrote:
So you'd be in favour of education taking place before you leave school, with regulations to stop the sort of conduct you describe. Good. We are all singing from the same sheet. Off to wash my fictitious Maserati.
They want school now to be open 8am til 6 pm, it's a prison. I mean who would have a child and then send it to prison, but.... the reason for this prison with all the bars is to protect the child from all the nutter out there.

Look at this latest headline.

http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2530686/Christmas-Da

y-shambles-NHS-helpl

ine-17-year-olds-bar

ely-training-left-an

swer-phones.html

This is how a functioning society functions???????????

????

Are you joking?
School is not a prison, even if open between 8 and 6. The little s»»»»heads will still be wandering, vandalizing and warring on the streets during all of the hours.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camilla75[/bold] wrote: So you'd be in favour of education taking place before you leave school, with regulations to stop the sort of conduct you describe. Good. We are all singing from the same sheet. Off to wash my fictitious Maserati.[/p][/quote]They want school now to be open 8am til 6 pm, it's a prison. I mean who would have a child and then send it to prison, but.... the reason for this prison with all the bars is to protect the child from all the nutter out there. Look at this latest headline. http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2530686/Christmas-Da y-shambles-NHS-helpl ine-17-year-olds-bar ely-training-left-an swer-phones.html This is how a functioning society functions??????????? ???? Are you joking?[/p][/quote]School is not a prison, even if open between 8 and 6. The little s»»»»heads will still be wandering, vandalizing and warring on the streets during all of the hours. sarfflondonbird

12:50pm Fri 3 Jan 14

white rabbit9 says...

School is not a prison, even if open between 8 and 6. The little s»»»»heads will still be wandering, vandalizing and warring on the streets during all of the hours.

School is an indoctrination system to keep the present insane system running. What the 1% propose is they stay wealthy while the little ones grow up and serve the 1%. Don't worry to many people and they will start off a war to get rid of a few million, well apart from agenda 21 aswell.
I find normal people BORING!!
School is not a prison, even if open between 8 and 6. The little s»»»»heads will still be wandering, vandalizing and warring on the streets during all of the hours. School is an indoctrination system to keep the present insane system running. What the 1% propose is they stay wealthy while the little ones grow up and serve the 1%. Don't worry to many people and they will start off a war to get rid of a few million, well apart from agenda 21 aswell. I find normal people BORING!! white rabbit9

11:19am Mon 6 Jan 14

The Fozziest of Bears says...

Comparing this incident with Jimmy Saville is ridiculous.
QUOTE - "There is no allegation that the relationship was sexual in nature"

This teacher did nothing more than go running with a senior pupil, as she was an accomplished runner herself.

Mountain out of a molehill, and the loss of a promising teacher to the profession.
QUOTE - She supported this pupil emotionally - so she may even have prevented self-harming or something worse - who knows ?

A shame it has been sensationalised by the daily fail and repeated by the news hopper.
Comparing this incident with Jimmy Saville is ridiculous. QUOTE - "There is no allegation that the relationship was sexual in nature" This teacher did nothing more than go running with a senior pupil, as she was an accomplished runner herself. Mountain out of a molehill, and the loss of a promising teacher to the profession. QUOTE - She supported this pupil emotionally - so she may even have prevented self-harming or something worse - who knows ? A shame it has been sensationalised by the daily fail and repeated by the news hopper. The Fozziest of Bears

1:21pm Mon 6 Jan 14

camilla75 says...

The Fozziest of Bears wrote:
Comparing this incident with Jimmy Saville is ridiculous.
QUOTE - "There is no allegation that the relationship was sexual in nature"

This teacher did nothing more than go running with a senior pupil, as she was an accomplished runner herself.

Mountain out of a molehill, and the loss of a promising teacher to the profession.
QUOTE - She supported this pupil emotionally - so she may even have prevented self-harming or something worse - who knows ?

A shame it has been sensationalised by the daily fail and repeated by the news hopper.
Whoever made the Saville comment was referring I think to the importance of regulations. It was in response to another comment and many others that seem to support less restrictions with students over 16. The GTC have clear regulations and I am pretty sure all schools, as well as teachers, have to abide by them. The reasons for that are fairly obvious. But this point has been misunderstood because there is a very entertaining White Rabbit who should have his own space in News Shopper.
[quote][p][bold]The Fozziest of Bears[/bold] wrote: Comparing this incident with Jimmy Saville is ridiculous. QUOTE - "There is no allegation that the relationship was sexual in nature" This teacher did nothing more than go running with a senior pupil, as she was an accomplished runner herself. Mountain out of a molehill, and the loss of a promising teacher to the profession. QUOTE - She supported this pupil emotionally - so she may even have prevented self-harming or something worse - who knows ? A shame it has been sensationalised by the daily fail and repeated by the news hopper.[/p][/quote]Whoever made the Saville comment was referring I think to the importance of regulations. It was in response to another comment and many others that seem to support less restrictions with students over 16. The GTC have clear regulations and I am pretty sure all schools, as well as teachers, have to abide by them. The reasons for that are fairly obvious. But this point has been misunderstood because there is a very entertaining White Rabbit who should have his own space in News Shopper. camilla75

10:49pm Tue 7 Jan 14

camilla75 says...

Was a little confused by votes on here until read article about Stephen Lawrene published yesterday. Comments truly shocking and offensive getting. over a 100 likes. It all points to the need for a better education! In this area.
Was a little confused by votes on here until read article about Stephen Lawrene published yesterday. Comments truly shocking and offensive getting. over a 100 likes. It all points to the need for a better education! In this area. camilla75

Comments are closed on this article.

click2find

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree