'I can't remember where I parked it'- help dementia sufferer find lost car

News Shopper: Marie Wand and daughter Sacha want your help in finding the lost car in time for Christmas. Marie Wand and daughter Sacha want your help in finding the lost car in time for Christmas.

A BEXLEYHEATH woman suffering from dementia is appealing for help finding her car - as she can't remember where she parked it.

Marie Wand left her Danson Road home on November 27 for an appointment at the Memorial Hospital in Shooters Hill but instead bought a Papa Johns pizza.

The 83-year-old, who suffers from Alzheimer's, returned home to her family at around 7.30pm the same evening, but without her beloved light blue Vauxhall Corsa.

Marie's family have been searching for three weeks and want to bring the car home in time for Christmas.

Marie's daughter Sacha Wand, 48, from Widecombe Road, Mottingham, says the family are "desperate" to find the car so their mum can go to her pre-planned Christmas Day hotel lunch.

Sacha, a mother of-three, said: "The only place we know for definite that she went to was to get petrol from Hastings Road in Bromley and she got a Papa Johns pizza from somewhere.

"All we know is that it was from somewhere called 'unit 5'.

"She seems to have got a cab from the takeaway because it was dark and all we know is that it cost her £35.

"It would have been from a distance of about 17 miles away. "We believe the car could be parked in Bromley, Catford, Lewisham, Sydenham or Sidcup but we need help finding it."

The family have been in touch with the police but because the car is taxed and insured there is nothing they can do because it is not illegal.

Ms Wand added: "We have been out looking for the car for three weeks and now we just feel we have no other option but to appeal to the general public for help.

"The whole family has got together and we have had meetings and have been out several times looking for it.

"It would make Christmas so much better if the public can help us find it.

"All she can remember is that the car is packed somewhere near a wooded area, she still even has her shopping in there."

If you see the car with registration number X236 JBM, email Sacha on swand65@aol.com or call the newsroom on 01689 885726.

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5:29pm Tue 17 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

Hopes she finds it.
Hopes she finds it. white rabbit9

5:32pm Tue 17 Dec 13

franksutton says...

Sorry, but should she be driving?
Sorry, but should she be driving? franksutton

6:38pm Tue 17 Dec 13

lisa2505 says...

Aaww bless her is worrying so is out on her own really :-/ ill share this on my facebook and my partner works for british gas in that area so will get and his work colleges on the look out, I take it cant find the taxi company used? x
Aaww bless her is worrying so is out on her own really :-/ ill share this on my facebook and my partner works for british gas in that area so will get and his work colleges on the look out, I take it cant find the taxi company used? x lisa2505

6:38pm Tue 17 Dec 13

applause says...

franksutton wrote:
Sorry, but should she be driving?
Ditto. The family are behaving horrendously negligent. Suppose she forgets what a red traffic light is for, or green for example. Seriously she is a danger to herself and others. Do you all understand the nature of the illness? Yes, its her independrnce. But at what cost?
[quote][p][bold]franksutton[/bold] wrote: Sorry, but should she be driving?[/p][/quote]Ditto. The family are behaving horrendously negligent. Suppose she forgets what a red traffic light is for, or green for example. Seriously she is a danger to herself and others. Do you all understand the nature of the illness? Yes, its her independrnce. But at what cost? applause

7:14pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Bestbaz says...

I feel sorry for people with Dementia, but still driving with this condition is rather negligent. , surely she needs to get her license reviewed. Yes, its sad if she looses her license, but surely this would be for her own and others welfare. Pragmatism needs to be applied, and her family show and give her the same care that they are affording to her forgetting where she parked her car.
On a similar note, only last week, an old lady was desperately trying to find her car in Sainsbury car park Crayford, she had forgotten where she park.
I feel sorry for people with Dementia, but still driving with this condition is rather negligent. , surely she needs to get her license reviewed. Yes, its sad if she looses her license, but surely this would be for her own and others welfare. Pragmatism needs to be applied, and her family show and give her the same care that they are affording to her forgetting where she parked her car. On a similar note, only last week, an old lady was desperately trying to find her car in Sainsbury car park Crayford, she had forgotten where she park. Bestbaz

7:43pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Bob Downondiss says...

Old fool is attention seeking. If not she shouldn't be driving. I cant believe the family allow her to drive if she is that bad, that's why IMHO its a all a story.
Old fool is attention seeking. If not she shouldn't be driving. I cant believe the family allow her to drive if she is that bad, that's why IMHO its a all a story. Bob Downondiss

8:15pm Tue 17 Dec 13

danm5577 says...

applause wrote:
franksutton wrote:
Sorry, but should she be driving?
Ditto. The family are behaving horrendously negligent. Suppose she forgets what a red traffic light is for, or green for example. Seriously she is a danger to herself and others. Do you all understand the nature of the illness? Yes, its her independrnce. But at what cost?
Completely agree, she should NOT be driving at all.
[quote][p][bold]applause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franksutton[/bold] wrote: Sorry, but should she be driving?[/p][/quote]Ditto. The family are behaving horrendously negligent. Suppose she forgets what a red traffic light is for, or green for example. Seriously she is a danger to herself and others. Do you all understand the nature of the illness? Yes, its her independrnce. But at what cost?[/p][/quote]Completely agree, she should NOT be driving at all. danm5577

9:30pm Tue 17 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

I lose my car and I haven't got dementia.
I lose my car and I haven't got dementia. white rabbit9

11:33pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Simon bald says...

all that fuss and all she ends up with is a crappy papa johns pizza, least she could have got was one from pizza express with dough balls
all that fuss and all she ends up with is a crappy papa johns pizza, least she could have got was one from pizza express with dough balls Simon bald

11:41pm Tue 17 Dec 13

panda 72 says...

People with dementia are supposed to declare this to DVLA and the insurance company, if his goes unmentioned it could be voided also, if an insurance company will even insure a person in the circumstances.
People with dementia are supposed to declare this to DVLA and the insurance company, if his goes unmentioned it could be voided also, if an insurance company will even insure a person in the circumstances. panda 72

11:53pm Tue 17 Dec 13

panda 72 says...

panda 72 wrote:
People with dementia are supposed to declare this to DVLA and the insurance company, if his goes unmentioned it could be voided also, if an insurance company will even insure a person in the circumstances.
People with dementia are supposed to declare this to DVLA and the insurance company, if this goes unmentioned it could be voided also, if an insurance company will even insure a person in the circumstances. Although it is the individuals right to have their independence, it is also a question of her own safety and welfare as well as others, as next time it may not be a car missing but a grandchild left in a shop (hope this never happens), perhaps the family should be taking more care and attention to their mum's dementia and accompanying her to appointments, it appears her dementia is more serious then they are aware, hope you find the car, and keep mum safe, all the best!
[quote][p][bold]panda 72[/bold] wrote: People with dementia are supposed to declare this to DVLA and the insurance company, if his goes unmentioned it could be voided also, if an insurance company will even insure a person in the circumstances.[/p][/quote]People with dementia are supposed to declare this to DVLA and the insurance company, if this goes unmentioned it could be voided also, if an insurance company will even insure a person in the circumstances. Although it is the individuals right to have their independence, it is also a question of her own safety and welfare as well as others, as next time it may not be a car missing but a grandchild left in a shop (hope this never happens), perhaps the family should be taking more care and attention to their mum's dementia and accompanying her to appointments, it appears her dementia is more serious then they are aware, hope you find the car, and keep mum safe, all the best! panda 72

7:48am Wed 18 Dec 13

peetee67 says...

If she lives in Danson Road surely she can afford a Chauffeur!
It would be a lot safer!
If she lives in Danson Road surely she can afford a Chauffeur! It would be a lot safer! peetee67

9:39am Wed 18 Dec 13

highway warrior says...

If it's parked legally and taxed/mot'd/insured then there is very little chance of it being flagged up to the authorities.
If it looks abandoned covered in leaves, flyers and road dirt it'll probably get vandalised or stolen, then it's more likely to turn up sadly.
If it's parked legally and taxed/mot'd/insured then there is very little chance of it being flagged up to the authorities. If it looks abandoned covered in leaves, flyers and road dirt it'll probably get vandalised or stolen, then it's more likely to turn up sadly. highway warrior

10:32am Wed 18 Dec 13

karen powell says...

Sorry but she should not be driving, and certainly not attending appointments on her own. If the family can spend all that time looking for the car, then surely they would have had the time to take her to the appointment. The family are totally irresponsible
Sorry but she should not be driving, and certainly not attending appointments on her own. If the family can spend all that time looking for the car, then surely they would have had the time to take her to the appointment. The family are totally irresponsible karen powell

10:38am Wed 18 Dec 13

Danonymouse says...

It is illegal to drive with mental problems. The DVLA will pick up on the article. Quote from DVLA website.

Notifiable conditions include epilepsy, strokes, other neurological and mental health conditions, or physical disabilities and visual impairments that could affect your ability to drive safely.

I just hope she remembers left and right.
It is illegal to drive with mental problems. The DVLA will pick up on the article. Quote from DVLA website. Notifiable conditions include epilepsy, strokes, other neurological and mental health conditions, or physical disabilities and visual impairments that could affect your ability to drive safely. I just hope she remembers left and right. Danonymouse

10:40am Wed 18 Dec 13

Danonymouse says...

Did nobody realise the Brook Hospital closed years ago??
Did nobody realise the Brook Hospital closed years ago?? Danonymouse

10:43am Wed 18 Dec 13

Thamesmead1991 says...

This woman should not be driving with dementia. My Nan is also 83 and suffers with dementia and there is no way that i would be letting her drive her car if she was able to drive. Why is the family allowing her to travel on her own to appointments in the first place. Its not safe for her to travel alone.
This woman should not be driving with dementia. My Nan is also 83 and suffers with dementia and there is no way that i would be letting her drive her car if she was able to drive. Why is the family allowing her to travel on her own to appointments in the first place. Its not safe for her to travel alone. Thamesmead1991

11:45am Wed 18 Dec 13

madras says...

Danonymouse wrote:
Did nobody realise the Brook Hospital closed years ago??
Perhaps the family could try (if they have not already done so) enquiring around the Memorial Hospital in Shooters Hill Road?
[quote][p][bold]Danonymouse[/bold] wrote: Did nobody realise the Brook Hospital closed years ago??[/p][/quote]Perhaps the family could try (if they have not already done so) enquiring around the Memorial Hospital in Shooters Hill Road? madras

1:31pm Wed 18 Dec 13

mick_a says...

There are only 7 or 8 Papa Johns in all of Kent so surely it should be easy enough to find out which one she bought the pizza from.
There are only 7 or 8 Papa Johns in all of Kent so surely it should be easy enough to find out which one she bought the pizza from. mick_a

3:34pm Wed 18 Dec 13

applause says...

I think that this is a cry for help. The lady in question may have known
That there is possibly a mental health facility near where the brook used to be. Dementia does not mean stupid.
I think that this is a cry for help. The lady in question may have known That there is possibly a mental health facility near where the brook used to be. Dementia does not mean stupid. applause

3:52pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Freda Livery says...

if I saw this car I wouldn't tell you where I found it as this woman should not be on our roads
if I saw this car I wouldn't tell you where I found it as this woman should not be on our roads Freda Livery

3:58pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Gypo.Joe says...

I suggest you buy mother some inline skates for Christmas Sacha, and do flog the car please.
I suggest you buy mother some inline skates for Christmas Sacha, and do flog the car please. Gypo.Joe

10:45pm Wed 18 Dec 13

cdk1959 says...

Has the taxi company been contacted to find out where she was picked up from maybe the car is in that area,but I think if that was my mother there is no way she would be driving or attending hospital appointments on her own
Has the taxi company been contacted to find out where she was picked up from maybe the car is in that area,but I think if that was my mother there is no way she would be driving or attending hospital appointments on her own cdk1959

9:48am Thu 19 Dec 13

Teaspoon says...

This is an incredible story. Why is this lady driving???!!!

DVLA would not allow her to drive if they knew she suffered with dementia. My father-in-law has the onset of dementia and was still driving, when he had an accident with another vehicle he could not remember what happened. We realised straight away he should not be driving and DVLA took away his licence.

THIS IS INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS. WHAT ARE HER FAMILY THINKING.
PLEASE DON'T LET HER DRIVE ANYMORE - FOR EVERYBODY ELSE'S SAKE.
This is an incredible story. Why is this lady driving???!!! DVLA would not allow her to drive if they knew she suffered with dementia. My father-in-law has the onset of dementia and was still driving, when he had an accident with another vehicle he could not remember what happened. We realised straight away he should not be driving and DVLA took away his licence. THIS IS INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS. WHAT ARE HER FAMILY THINKING. PLEASE DON'T LET HER DRIVE ANYMORE - FOR EVERYBODY ELSE'S SAKE. Teaspoon

11:14am Thu 19 Dec 13

concerned.erith says...

Sorry but this woman should NOT be driving she is a danger to other road users. What happens if she forgets basic road signs?

Why dosen't she have christmas with her family instead of having to pay for her own dinner?
Sorry but this woman should NOT be driving she is a danger to other road users. What happens if she forgets basic road signs? Why dosen't she have christmas with her family instead of having to pay for her own dinner? concerned.erith

11:18am Thu 19 Dec 13

fairkarma says...

This woman should NOT be driving, not only because of dementia but because of her age also, selfish and a serious danger to other road users and pedestrians!!
This woman should NOT be driving, not only because of dementia but because of her age also, selfish and a serious danger to other road users and pedestrians!! fairkarma

6:26pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Paul_M says...

I can well appreciate that as she gets older, this lady treasures her remaining mobility all the more, especially as I should imagine walking any distance is getting harder.

However, it cannot be right that she continues to drive a car - she is a danger to herself and to others, and accidents involving elderly drivers are rising rapidly. Not so long ago an elderly retired doctor crashed into a shopfront and killed a couple of pedestrians. On the other day an elderly lady driver mounted a pavement and killed an 11 year old child and severely injured her mother.

She should sell the car, and use the money she saves by no longer having to pay VED, insurance, maintenance/MOT etc and fuel to pay for taxis when she needs transport which the buses cannot readily provide.
I can well appreciate that as she gets older, this lady treasures her remaining mobility all the more, especially as I should imagine walking any distance is getting harder. However, it cannot be right that she continues to drive a car - she is a danger to herself and to others, and accidents involving elderly drivers are rising rapidly. Not so long ago an elderly retired doctor crashed into a shopfront and killed a couple of pedestrians. On the other day an elderly lady driver mounted a pavement and killed an 11 year old child and severely injured her mother. She should sell the car, and use the money she saves by no longer having to pay VED, insurance, maintenance/MOT etc and fuel to pay for taxis when she needs transport which the buses cannot readily provide. Paul_M

6:43pm Thu 19 Dec 13

christofearn says...

This is an appalling story and New Shopper reporting it as if there is nothing particularly worrying about it other than the loss of a car. Sad as it is, dimentia confuses people, ultimately to the point where they can't function. For this woman to be at this relatively advanced stage of the illness and still be driving around on her own in a car is terrifying. Families are often reluctant to accept the full impact of dementia on their elderly loved ones but this is enough, surely, to convince them to 'loose' mums car for good and stop her driving for her sake and ours.
This is an appalling story and New Shopper reporting it as if there is nothing particularly worrying about it other than the loss of a car. Sad as it is, dimentia confuses people, ultimately to the point where they can't function. For this woman to be at this relatively advanced stage of the illness and still be driving around on her own in a car is terrifying. Families are often reluctant to accept the full impact of dementia on their elderly loved ones but this is enough, surely, to convince them to 'loose' mums car for good and stop her driving for her sake and ours. christofearn

1:10am Fri 20 Dec 13

danm5577 says...

Simon bald wrote:
all that fuss and all she ends up with is a crappy papa johns pizza, least she could have got was one from pizza express with dough balls
She couldn't remember where pizza express was!
[quote][p][bold]Simon bald[/bold] wrote: all that fuss and all she ends up with is a crappy papa johns pizza, least she could have got was one from pizza express with dough balls[/p][/quote]She couldn't remember where pizza express was! danm5577

9:19am Fri 20 Dec 13

sarfflondonbird says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
I suggest you buy mother some inline skates for Christmas Sacha, and do flog the car please.
Just for once, he's talking sense! I hate to admit, although the skate's could be a killer getting them on.......and she could end up losing herself on the way to her luncheons.......just saying like. Best she gives the car up now for everybody's safety.
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: I suggest you buy mother some inline skates for Christmas Sacha, and do flog the car please.[/p][/quote]Just for once, he's talking sense! I hate to admit, although the skate's could be a killer getting them on.......and she could end up losing herself on the way to her luncheons.......just saying like. Best she gives the car up now for everybody's safety. sarfflondonbird

9:28am Fri 20 Dec 13

sarfflondonbird says...

And isn't it a good thing to know that our trusted police force for which we pay, won't involve themselves purely because the car is legit?
She's only a mere car cash cow, why bother helping the poor mite? Now, if it were royalty spongers having mislaid where they parked the Bentley, the police, rest assured, would be falling over backwards to find!!!! Shows where their'bread is buttered' doesn't it?
And isn't it a good thing to know that our trusted police force for which we pay, won't involve themselves purely because the car is legit? She's only a mere car cash cow, why bother helping the poor mite? Now, if it were royalty spongers having mislaid where they parked the Bentley, the police, rest assured, would be falling over backwards to find!!!! Shows where their'bread is buttered' doesn't it? sarfflondonbird

9:53am Fri 20 Dec 13

highway warrior says...

No not at all. You want them to try and find a common Vauxhall Corsa, wasting police time and tax payers money, with no real idea where it is (it's in south east London, inside the M25, south of the river and no further over than the A23). Would they do it with a Bentley? No. It's a Police force not a car finding service, I bet you call them out everyday because someone stole the sun and it's gone dark??
No not at all. You want them to try and find a common Vauxhall Corsa, wasting police time and tax payers money, with no real idea where it is (it's in south east London, inside the M25, south of the river and no further over than the A23). Would they do it with a Bentley? No. It's a Police force not a car finding service, I bet you call them out everyday because someone stole the sun and it's gone dark?? highway warrior

1:55pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Beckenham Chris says...

applause wrote:
franksutton wrote:
Sorry, but should she be driving?
Ditto. The family are behaving horrendously negligent. Suppose she forgets what a red traffic light is for, or green for example. Seriously she is a danger to herself and others. Do you all understand the nature of the illness? Yes, its her independrnce. But at what cost?
My mother suffered from Dementia and "lost" her car - This was the point that we had to take away her keys and get her licence revoked. I am surprised that she is even insured. My mothers Insurance company told me when I cancelled her policy that when they become aware of a client with this disease they will NOT insure them. Sad though it is this ladys family need to come to terms with the fact that she should not be driving for her own and others safety.Now they have made it public I am sure that her Insurance will be cancelled if the company are made aware.
[quote][p][bold]applause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]franksutton[/bold] wrote: Sorry, but should she be driving?[/p][/quote]Ditto. The family are behaving horrendously negligent. Suppose she forgets what a red traffic light is for, or green for example. Seriously she is a danger to herself and others. Do you all understand the nature of the illness? Yes, its her independrnce. But at what cost?[/p][/quote]My mother suffered from Dementia and "lost" her car - This was the point that we had to take away her keys and get her licence revoked. I am surprised that she is even insured. My mothers Insurance company told me when I cancelled her policy that when they become aware of a client with this disease they will NOT insure them. Sad though it is this ladys family need to come to terms with the fact that she should not be driving for her own and others safety.Now they have made it public I am sure that her Insurance will be cancelled if the company are made aware. Beckenham Chris

2:00pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Beckenham Chris says...

who are all these idiots giving negative scores on these comments - If you or a family member or friend was injured by a Dementia sufferer driving a car I think your pinion may change.
who are all these idiots giving negative scores on these comments - If you or a family member or friend was injured by a Dementia sufferer driving a car I think your pinion may change. Beckenham Chris

2:34pm Fri 20 Dec 13

reasonable75 says...

Beckenham Chris wrote:
who are all these idiots giving negative scores on these comments - If you or a family member or friend was injured by a Dementia sufferer driving a car I think your pinion may change.
Strange that - anyone suggesting that this lady should hang up her car keys gets a thumbs down

Like Beckenham Chris said, imagine it was you or one of your family injured because she forgot to stop at red light?
[quote][p][bold]Beckenham Chris[/bold] wrote: who are all these idiots giving negative scores on these comments - If you or a family member or friend was injured by a Dementia sufferer driving a car I think your pinion may change.[/p][/quote]Strange that - anyone suggesting that this lady should hang up her car keys gets a thumbs down Like Beckenham Chris said, imagine it was you or one of your family injured because she forgot to stop at red light? reasonable75

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