Firefighters strike in pensions row

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FIREFIGHTERS in England and Wales will strike for the second time in two days as part of their long-running row with the Government over pensions.

Members of the Fire Brigades Union (FBU) will mount picket lines from 6pm to 10pm - with the threat of further action in the new year.

It comes just hours after a similar strike ended at 10pm last night.

Some brigades said they were quieter than normal for a Friday evening, with many areas hit by rain, which can reduce the number of fire-related incidents.

London Fire Brigade has urged people to buy takeaway food during the strike if they had been drinking at Christmas events to reduce the threat of kitchen fires.

FBU members have now taken strike action five times in recent months in protest at changes to pensions and their retirement age, which the union argues threatens older firefighters with losing their jobs or having reduced pensions.

General secretary Matt Wrack said that until the Government meets the FBU for negotiations, the union will "keep up the pressure for the sake of public safety and our members' pensions".

"In a week when the full details of a £7,600 pay rise for MPs - which will also increase their pensions - emerged, firefighters' anger at the Government's unworkable, unaffordable and unfair proposals will be even greater.

"No firefighter wants to strike, but we cannot allow the Government's ludicrous proposals, and outright hypocrisy, to stand. We'll keep on fighting until the Government sees sense and comes back to negotiations."

The union said firefighters in their late 50s face the prospect of being sacked or seeing their pension reduced by almost half.

Fire minister Brandon Lewis said: "Once again the FBU's actions cast doubt over their claims that they are serious about reaching a negotiated settlement.

"I hosted discussions on fitness issues with the FBU and other organisations on December 4. “The discussions were constructive but, whilst the consultation was still running, the FBU announced further strikes.

"Firefighters will still get one of the most generous public pension schemes.

“Less than a quarter of firefighters will see any change in their retirement age in 2015 and more firefighters' pensions are protected than in any other large public service workforce."

London Fire Brigade deployed 27 fire engines to deal with emergencies during last night's industrial action.

And Kent Fire and Rescue Service attended two road accidents and cut out an injured woman from a fire.

They also dealt with a chimney fire and had a number of calls about automatic alarms.

KFRS Chief Executive Ann Millington said: “Thanks to the public for heeding safety warnings and to all our staff who worked to keep the county safe during the strike.”

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11:24am Sat 14 Dec 13

molsey says...

molsey says...

The government says "Firefighters will still get one of the most generous public pension schemes. Less than a quarter of firefighters will see any change".

What we don't know is what does a retired basic firefighter actually get now/today in £'s, they are not saying, I wonder why?

I posted the above earlier this week, at the time of writing no Firefighter has responded?
molsey says... The government says "Firefighters will still get one of the most generous public pension schemes. Less than a quarter of firefighters will see any change". What we don't know is what does a retired basic firefighter actually get now/today in £'s, they are not saying, I wonder why? I posted the above earlier this week, at the time of writing no Firefighter has responded? molsey

12:56pm Sat 14 Dec 13

screw_your_loaf says...

I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.
I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured. screw_your_loaf

1:21pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Gypo.Joe says...

screw_your_loaf wrote:
I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.
Welcome to the real world. I know lots of people who have had their contract of employment changed in recent years. I can understand your frustration a little but you lot are quickly becoming a bore. Your job has changed, deal with it or get the F out,there's loads more will do it and that's the hard facts of life.
[quote][p][bold]screw_your_loaf[/bold] wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.[/p][/quote]Welcome to the real world. I know lots of people who have had their contract of employment changed in recent years. I can understand your frustration a little but you lot are quickly becoming a bore. Your job has changed, deal with it or get the F out,there's loads more will do it and that's the hard facts of life. Gypo.Joe

5:21pm Sat 14 Dec 13

molsey says...

screw_your_loaf wrote:
I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.
£400 a month, that's £92 per week, I think you are being very economical with the truth.
Now please tell us all, if a basic Firefighter retires this week, how much in pounds, shillings and pence will he/she receive, surely you must know?
[quote][p][bold]screw_your_loaf[/bold] wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.[/p][/quote]£400 a month, that's £92 per week, I think you are being very economical with the truth. Now please tell us all, if a basic Firefighter retires this week, how much in pounds, shillings and pence will he/she receive, surely you must know? molsey

6:16pm Sun 15 Dec 13

molsey says...

Last night (Sat) a man died in a blaze in his flat in Oakfield Road, Harringay, North London as Firefighters took strike action. BBC NEWS.
Last night (Sat) a man died in a blaze in his flat in Oakfield Road, Harringay, North London as Firefighters took strike action. BBC NEWS. molsey

6:58pm Sun 15 Dec 13

molsey says...

molsey wrote:
Last night (Sat) a man died in a blaze in his flat in Oakfield Road, Harringay, North London as Firefighters took strike action. BBC NEWS.
UPDATE
The London branch of the FBU tweeted just after midnight: "Information coming in which suggests the London Fire Brigade's contingency plans failed disastrously tonight."

So the Firefighters union who have called their members, the Firefighters, out on strike blame the Fire Brigade for the death.

If the FBU keep this up it will become their very own FIREGATE!
[quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: Last night (Sat) a man died in a blaze in his flat in Oakfield Road, Harringay, North London as Firefighters took strike action. BBC NEWS.[/p][/quote]UPDATE The London branch of the FBU tweeted just after midnight: "Information coming in which suggests the London Fire Brigade's contingency plans failed disastrously tonight." So the Firefighters union who have called their members, the Firefighters, out on strike blame the Fire Brigade for the death. If the FBU keep this up it will become their very own FIREGATE! molsey

9:13pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Teaspoon says...

For your information Mr Molsey know it all, REAL firefighters attended that fire at the flat in Oakfield Road and done everything they could as per normal. Please tell us where you read that Fire Brigade are blamed for that death? And get your facts right before you write things.
For your information Mr Molsey know it all, REAL firefighters attended that fire at the flat in Oakfield Road and done everything they could as per normal. Please tell us where you read that Fire Brigade are blamed for that death? And get your facts right before you write things. Teaspoon

10:01pm Sun 15 Dec 13

white rabbit9 says...

They can void a contract because they know you have to go through so many hoops to just get it to court. They don't give to hoot's about you.
They are creating a massive problem and they 'illuminati' will be the ones who will give the solution because they created the problem in the first place. MANIPULATION!!
They can void a contract because they know you have to go through so many hoops to just get it to court. They don't give to hoot's about you. They are creating a massive problem and they 'illuminati' will be the ones who will give the solution because they created the problem in the first place. MANIPULATION!! white rabbit9

10:57pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Biffo. says...

Why was they cooking that man in the brazier ?
Why was they cooking that man in the brazier ? Biffo.

8:21am Mon 16 Dec 13

molsey says...

Teaspoon wrote:
For your information Mr Molsey know it all, REAL firefighters attended that fire at the flat in Oakfield Road and done everything they could as per normal. Please tell us where you read that Fire Brigade are blamed for that death? And get your facts right before you write things.
You haven't said how long it took for them to get there?

The FBU said the Fire Brigades contingency plans have not worked, by inference the FBU are blaming the Fire Brigade itself for the man's death, BBC NEWS website.

The Fire Brigade are your employers, correct?

No Firefighter has yet got back on here telling us the actual pension a basic Firefighter would get if he retired today, now why is that?

By calling me a "Know all" you are seeking to avoid the truth, which is all gravy-trains come to an end, the Miners and the Fleet Street Printers come to mind.

One more try, what's the current pension paid to a basic Firefifgter?????
[quote][p][bold]Teaspoon[/bold] wrote: For your information Mr Molsey know it all, REAL firefighters attended that fire at the flat in Oakfield Road and done everything they could as per normal. Please tell us where you read that Fire Brigade are blamed for that death? And get your facts right before you write things.[/p][/quote]You haven't said how long it took for them to get there? The FBU said the Fire Brigades contingency plans have not worked, by inference the FBU are blaming the Fire Brigade itself for the man's death, BBC NEWS website. The Fire Brigade are your employers, correct? No Firefighter has yet got back on here telling us the actual pension a basic Firefighter would get if he retired today, now why is that? By calling me a "Know all" you are seeking to avoid the truth, which is all gravy-trains come to an end, the Miners and the Fleet Street Printers come to mind. One more try, what's the current pension paid to a basic Firefifgter????? molsey

9:49am Mon 16 Dec 13

Rev Dave Smith says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
screw_your_loaf wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.
Welcome to the real world. I know lots of people who have had their contract of employment changed in recent years. I can understand your frustration a little but you lot are quickly becoming a bore. Your job has changed, deal with it or get the F out,there's loads more will do it and that's the hard facts of life.
A certain "Jack Dromey" caused outrage last week on Twitter by using a racist derogatory name to describe someone from the Travelling community and is now being investigated by the police because of a "hate crime".
Please STOP using your also racist, and offensive username as it also comes under the same law.

Posting under an offensive username is totally wrong and you need to stop using such a name.
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]screw_your_loaf[/bold] wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.[/p][/quote]Welcome to the real world. I know lots of people who have had their contract of employment changed in recent years. I can understand your frustration a little but you lot are quickly becoming a bore. Your job has changed, deal with it or get the F out,there's loads more will do it and that's the hard facts of life.[/p][/quote]A certain "Jack Dromey" caused outrage last week on Twitter by using a racist derogatory name to describe someone from the Travelling community and is now being investigated by the police because of a "hate crime". Please STOP using your also racist, and offensive username as it also comes under the same law. Posting under an offensive username is totally wrong and you need to stop using such a name. Rev Dave Smith

9:59am Mon 16 Dec 13

molsey says...

Rev Dave Smith wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
screw_your_loaf wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.
Welcome to the real world. I know lots of people who have had their contract of employment changed in recent years. I can understand your frustration a little but you lot are quickly becoming a bore. Your job has changed, deal with it or get the F out,there's loads more will do it and that's the hard facts of life.
A certain "Jack Dromey" caused outrage last week on Twitter by using a racist derogatory name to describe someone from the Travelling community and is now being investigated by the police because of a "hate crime".
Please STOP using your also racist, and offensive username as it also comes under the same law.

Posting under an offensive username is totally wrong and you need to stop using such a name.
Oh come on, that's like taking the golliwog off the marmalade jar. Too much political correctness.
[quote][p][bold]Rev Dave Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]screw_your_loaf[/bold] wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.[/p][/quote]Welcome to the real world. I know lots of people who have had their contract of employment changed in recent years. I can understand your frustration a little but you lot are quickly becoming a bore. Your job has changed, deal with it or get the F out,there's loads more will do it and that's the hard facts of life.[/p][/quote]A certain "Jack Dromey" caused outrage last week on Twitter by using a racist derogatory name to describe someone from the Travelling community and is now being investigated by the police because of a "hate crime". Please STOP using your also racist, and offensive username as it also comes under the same law. Posting under an offensive username is totally wrong and you need to stop using such a name.[/p][/quote]Oh come on, that's like taking the golliwog off the marmalade jar. Too much political correctness. molsey

10:01am Mon 16 Dec 13

american football says...

Rev Dave Smith wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
screw_your_loaf wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.
Welcome to the real world. I know lots of people who have had their contract of employment changed in recent years. I can understand your frustration a little but you lot are quickly becoming a bore. Your job has changed, deal with it or get the F out,there's loads more will do it and that's the hard facts of life.
A certain "Jack Dromey" caused outrage last week on Twitter by using a racist derogatory name to describe someone from the Travelling community and is now being investigated by the police because of a "hate crime". Please STOP using your also racist, and offensive username as it also comes under the same law. Posting under an offensive username is totally wrong and you need to stop using such a name.
because he is a numpty and works for the newspaper every man woman and dog in this country knows gypo joe is allowed to break the rules and insult the travellers all because the numpty works on here maybe someone should complain to the police or the race relations industry? lol
[quote][p][bold]Rev Dave Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]screw_your_loaf[/bold] wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.[/p][/quote]Welcome to the real world. I know lots of people who have had their contract of employment changed in recent years. I can understand your frustration a little but you lot are quickly becoming a bore. Your job has changed, deal with it or get the F out,there's loads more will do it and that's the hard facts of life.[/p][/quote]A certain "Jack Dromey" caused outrage last week on Twitter by using a racist derogatory name to describe someone from the Travelling community and is now being investigated by the police because of a "hate crime". Please STOP using your also racist, and offensive username as it also comes under the same law. Posting under an offensive username is totally wrong and you need to stop using such a name.[/p][/quote]because he is a numpty and works for the newspaper every man woman and dog in this country knows gypo joe is allowed to break the rules and insult the travellers all because the numpty works on here maybe someone should complain to the police or the race relations industry? lol american football

10:02am Mon 16 Dec 13

american football says...

someone said its simon bull is that right?
someone said its simon bull is that right? american football

10:39am Mon 16 Dec 13

molsey says...

american football wrote:
Rev Dave Smith wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
screw_your_loaf wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.
Welcome to the real world. I know lots of people who have had their contract of employment changed in recent years. I can understand your frustration a little but you lot are quickly becoming a bore. Your job has changed, deal with it or get the F out,there's loads more will do it and that's the hard facts of life.
A certain "Jack Dromey" caused outrage last week on Twitter by using a racist derogatory name to describe someone from the Travelling community and is now being investigated by the police because of a "hate crime". Please STOP using your also racist, and offensive username as it also comes under the same law. Posting under an offensive username is totally wrong and you need to stop using such a name.
because he is a numpty and works for the newspaper every man woman and dog in this country knows gypo joe is allowed to break the rules and insult the travellers all because the numpty works on here maybe someone should complain to the police or the race relations industry? lol
I heard he gets £2k a week, mind you he does get the hits.
[quote][p][bold]american football[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rev Dave Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]screw_your_loaf[/bold] wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.[/p][/quote]Welcome to the real world. I know lots of people who have had their contract of employment changed in recent years. I can understand your frustration a little but you lot are quickly becoming a bore. Your job has changed, deal with it or get the F out,there's loads more will do it and that's the hard facts of life.[/p][/quote]A certain "Jack Dromey" caused outrage last week on Twitter by using a racist derogatory name to describe someone from the Travelling community and is now being investigated by the police because of a "hate crime". Please STOP using your also racist, and offensive username as it also comes under the same law. Posting under an offensive username is totally wrong and you need to stop using such a name.[/p][/quote]because he is a numpty and works for the newspaper every man woman and dog in this country knows gypo joe is allowed to break the rules and insult the travellers all because the numpty works on here maybe someone should complain to the police or the race relations industry? lol[/p][/quote]I heard he gets £2k a week, mind you he does get the hits. molsey

10:41am Mon 16 Dec 13

Gypo.Joe says...

american football wrote:
someone said its simon bull is that right?
No that's not correct. I am Simons gopher.

I go for this and I go for that.

Be back in a while we are busy with tomorrows front page.



Latersssssssssssssss
sssss . Char ching !!
[quote][p][bold]american football[/bold] wrote: someone said its simon bull is that right?[/p][/quote]No that's not correct. I am Simons gopher. I go for this and I go for that. Be back in a while we are busy with tomorrows front page. Latersssssssssssssss sssss . Char ching !! Gypo.Joe

11:00am Mon 16 Dec 13

Gypo.Joe says...

Just did a quick Google search on Rev Dave Smith and you guessed it, a n other sock puppet all over certain Newsquest site.

Can you smell it ...yes pheeeeeeeeeeeeew.
Just did a quick Google search on Rev Dave Smith and you guessed it, a n other sock puppet all over certain Newsquest site. Can you smell it ...yes pheeeeeeeeeeeeew. Gypo.Joe

7:54am Tue 17 Dec 13

screw_your_loaf says...

molsey wrote:
screw_your_loaf wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.
£400 a month, that's £92 per week, I think you are being very economical with the truth. Now please tell us all, if a basic Firefighter retires this week, how much in pounds, shillings and pence will he/she receive, surely you must know?
good maths molsey, perhaps im being a little economical with the truth, i only paid £382 in pension contributions this month!
as for the total pension that a FF can receive on retirement, it can be a little complicated. the Government use the figure of 19K per annum but that is only acheived if you join the job at 20 and do a full 40 years service paying the above mentioned £400 per calender month ( 400 is an average because its a percentage you pay so it varies from month to month depending on OT )
so if you could finish 40 years of service which is very unlikle then you would have paided in around £192,000 into your pension.
if you want more facts or reasons for the dispute, pop down to your lcal station im sure they will fill you in on the truth.
[quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]screw_your_loaf[/bold] wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.[/p][/quote]£400 a month, that's £92 per week, I think you are being very economical with the truth. Now please tell us all, if a basic Firefighter retires this week, how much in pounds, shillings and pence will he/she receive, surely you must know?[/p][/quote]good maths molsey, perhaps im being a little economical with the truth, i only paid £382 in pension contributions this month! as for the total pension that a FF can receive on retirement, it can be a little complicated. the Government use the figure of 19K per annum but that is only acheived if you join the job at 20 and do a full 40 years service paying the above mentioned £400 per calender month ( 400 is an average because its a percentage you pay so it varies from month to month depending on OT ) so if you could finish 40 years of service which is very unlikle then you would have paided in around £192,000 into your pension. if you want more facts or reasons for the dispute, pop down to your lcal station im sure they will fill you in on the truth. screw_your_loaf

8:49am Tue 17 Dec 13

molsey says...

screw_your_loaf wrote:
molsey wrote:
screw_your_loaf wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.
£400 a month, that's £92 per week, I think you are being very economical with the truth. Now please tell us all, if a basic Firefighter retires this week, how much in pounds, shillings and pence will he/she receive, surely you must know?
good maths molsey, perhaps im being a little economical with the truth, i only paid £382 in pension contributions this month!
as for the total pension that a FF can receive on retirement, it can be a little complicated. the Government use the figure of 19K per annum but that is only acheived if you join the job at 20 and do a full 40 years service paying the above mentioned £400 per calender month ( 400 is an average because its a percentage you pay so it varies from month to month depending on OT )
so if you could finish 40 years of service which is very unlikle then you would have paided in around £192,000 into your pension.
if you want more facts or reasons for the dispute, pop down to your lcal station im sure they will fill you in on the truth.
With respect, how can a Firefighter join at 20 and do a full 40 years of service when you currently retire at 55?
[quote][p][bold]screw_your_loaf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]screw_your_loaf[/bold] wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.[/p][/quote]£400 a month, that's £92 per week, I think you are being very economical with the truth. Now please tell us all, if a basic Firefighter retires this week, how much in pounds, shillings and pence will he/she receive, surely you must know?[/p][/quote]good maths molsey, perhaps im being a little economical with the truth, i only paid £382 in pension contributions this month! as for the total pension that a FF can receive on retirement, it can be a little complicated. the Government use the figure of 19K per annum but that is only acheived if you join the job at 20 and do a full 40 years service paying the above mentioned £400 per calender month ( 400 is an average because its a percentage you pay so it varies from month to month depending on OT ) so if you could finish 40 years of service which is very unlikle then you would have paided in around £192,000 into your pension. if you want more facts or reasons for the dispute, pop down to your lcal station im sure they will fill you in on the truth.[/p][/quote]With respect, how can a Firefighter join at 20 and do a full 40 years of service when you currently retire at 55? molsey

11:49am Tue 17 Dec 13

Gypo.Joe says...

screw_your_loaf you are taking the p1ss aren't you ?


YOU ARE !
screw_your_loaf you are taking the p1ss aren't you ? YOU ARE ! Gypo.Joe

10:13am Thu 19 Dec 13

Teaspoon says...

MOLSEY - why don't you do what screw_your_loaf said and pop along to the fire station for the real answers to all your questions. That way you'll hear the truth face to face. Maybe then you won't feel so jealous!
MOLSEY - why don't you do what screw_your_loaf said and pop along to the fire station for the real answers to all your questions. That way you'll hear the truth face to face. Maybe then you won't feel so jealous! Teaspoon

10:52am Thu 19 Dec 13

kentlad says...

Two of my mates are firemen and they get paid more than most of the soldiers serving in Afganistan and more than some Police Officers who are also risking their lives on a daily basis.... from what i know there is a very big waiting list to join the Brigade, my advice out with the old and in with the New i'm sure a percentage of those on the waiting list would be more than happy to do the job they dream of with the current salary rate!!!!
Two of my mates are firemen and they get paid more than most of the soldiers serving in Afganistan and more than some Police Officers who are also risking their lives on a daily basis.... from what i know there is a very big waiting list to join the Brigade, my advice out with the old and in with the New i'm sure a percentage of those on the waiting list would be more than happy to do the job they dream of with the current salary rate!!!! kentlad

11:24am Thu 19 Dec 13

molsey says...

Teaspoon wrote:
MOLSEY - why don't you do what screw_your_loaf said and pop along to the fire station for the real answers to all your questions. That way you'll hear the truth face to face. Maybe then you won't feel so jealous!
OK, will do, what station are you at, what shift times are you there?
[quote][p][bold]Teaspoon[/bold] wrote: MOLSEY - why don't you do what screw_your_loaf said and pop along to the fire station for the real answers to all your questions. That way you'll hear the truth face to face. Maybe then you won't feel so jealous![/p][/quote]OK, will do, what station are you at, what shift times are you there? molsey

12:14pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Gypo.Joe says...

Teaspoon why don't you lot get back to work ( LOL ) or move outa the way and let people who wanna do the job get in there and do it.

It's a classic case of capitalism, supply and demand. There's lots out there will do your job. That's may or may not be unfortunate for you lot depending where you stand, but its a fact millions have had to get their head around already.

Just deal with it or move on.
Teaspoon why don't you lot get back to work ( LOL ) or move outa the way and let people who wanna do the job get in there and do it. It's a classic case of capitalism, supply and demand. There's lots out there will do your job. That's may or may not be unfortunate for you lot depending where you stand, but its a fact millions have had to get their head around already. Just deal with it or move on. Gypo.Joe

12:31pm Thu 19 Dec 13

molsey says...

molsey says...

The FBU just don't get it, there is no public support for their campaign because wanting to still retire at 55 is foreign to workers at large, what about construction labourers for example, that's heavy work involving going up ladders and they cant retire until 65 if they are lucky. Being a fireman has always been regarded as being a very safe cushy number, with most having second jobs and don't declare the income. I've never met a fireman yet who doesn't do outside extra cash-in hand work or has his own mobile Burger van.

The Fire Brigade would never be short of job applicants, in fact applicants would be queuing up. Nobody dislikes Firefighters, we couldn't do without a fire service, that goes without saying, but not at any cost, because it is us,the public, that pay for it at the end of the day.

The sooner the FBU accept the gravy train must end, the better, otherwise it really will their FIREGATE.
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10:53am Tue 17 Dec 13
Gypo.Joe says...

Well said young Molsey. Sack the lot of the lazy loafers. You'd get killed in the stampede to fill the vacant jobs.
molsey says... The FBU just don't get it, there is no public support for their campaign because wanting to still retire at 55 is foreign to workers at large, what about construction labourers for example, that's heavy work involving going up ladders and they cant retire until 65 if they are lucky. Being a fireman has always been regarded as being a very safe cushy number, with most having second jobs and don't declare the income. I've never met a fireman yet who doesn't do outside extra cash-in hand work or has his own mobile Burger van. The Fire Brigade would never be short of job applicants, in fact applicants would be queuing up. Nobody dislikes Firefighters, we couldn't do without a fire service, that goes without saying, but not at any cost, because it is us,the public, that pay for it at the end of the day. The sooner the FBU accept the gravy train must end, the better, otherwise it really will their FIREGATE. Score: 31You voted +1 Quote » Report this post » 10:53am Tue 17 Dec 13 Gypo.Joe says... Well said young Molsey. Sack the lot of the lazy loafers. You'd get killed in the stampede to fill the vacant jobs. molsey

12:53pm Thu 19 Dec 13

CaptainJustice says...

american football wrote:
someone said its simon bull is that right?
Im totally against people making accusations like this as well as the naming of people on the net to try intimidate them but if they permit this thing to happen then they will prob not mind their names being use all over the net
[quote][p][bold]american football[/bold] wrote: someone said its simon bull is that right?[/p][/quote]Im totally against people making accusations like this as well as the naming of people on the net to try intimidate them but if they permit this thing to happen then they will prob not mind their names being use all over the net CaptainJustice

5:28pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Gypo.Joe says...

CaptainJustice wrote:
american football wrote:
someone said its simon bull is that right?
Im totally against people making accusations like this as well as the naming of people on the net to try intimidate them but if they permit this thing to happen then they will prob not mind their names being use all over the net
I'll give yas two names, try these pair of twunts.

Daley

Brewer.

Oh my sides.
[quote][p][bold]CaptainJustice[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]american football[/bold] wrote: someone said its simon bull is that right?[/p][/quote]Im totally against people making accusations like this as well as the naming of people on the net to try intimidate them but if they permit this thing to happen then they will prob not mind their names being use all over the net[/p][/quote]I'll give yas two names, try these pair of twunts. Daley Brewer. Oh my sides. Gypo.Joe

6:24pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Marty1979 says...

screw_your_loaf wrote:
molsey wrote:
screw_your_loaf wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.
£400 a month, that's £92 per week, I think you are being very economical with the truth. Now please tell us all, if a basic Firefighter retires this week, how much in pounds, shillings and pence will he/she receive, surely you must know?
good maths molsey, perhaps im being a little economical with the truth, i only paid £382 in pension contributions this month!
as for the total pension that a FF can receive on retirement, it can be a little complicated. the Government use the figure of 19K per annum but that is only acheived if you join the job at 20 and do a full 40 years service paying the above mentioned £400 per calender month ( 400 is an average because its a percentage you pay so it varies from month to month depending on OT )
so if you could finish 40 years of service which is very unlikle then you would have paided in around £192,000 into your pension.
if you want more facts or reasons for the dispute, pop down to your lcal station im sure they will fill you in on the truth.
So if the £400 (or £382) is a percentage of salary how much was your gross pay?

Just curious
[quote][p][bold]screw_your_loaf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]molsey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]screw_your_loaf[/bold] wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.[/p][/quote]£400 a month, that's £92 per week, I think you are being very economical with the truth. Now please tell us all, if a basic Firefighter retires this week, how much in pounds, shillings and pence will he/she receive, surely you must know?[/p][/quote]good maths molsey, perhaps im being a little economical with the truth, i only paid £382 in pension contributions this month! as for the total pension that a FF can receive on retirement, it can be a little complicated. the Government use the figure of 19K per annum but that is only acheived if you join the job at 20 and do a full 40 years service paying the above mentioned £400 per calender month ( 400 is an average because its a percentage you pay so it varies from month to month depending on OT ) so if you could finish 40 years of service which is very unlikle then you would have paided in around £192,000 into your pension. if you want more facts or reasons for the dispute, pop down to your lcal station im sure they will fill you in on the truth.[/p][/quote]So if the £400 (or £382) is a percentage of salary how much was your gross pay? Just curious Marty1979

6:59pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Gypo.Joe says...

So if the £400 (or £382) is a percentage of salary how much was your gross pay?


Too much !!j
So if the £400 (or £382) is a percentage of salary how much was your gross pay? Too much !!j Gypo.Joe

1:12am Fri 20 Dec 13

ISaidThis says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
Teaspoon why don't you lot get back to work ( LOL ) or move outa the way and let people who wanna do the job get in there and do it.

It's a classic case of capitalism, supply and demand. There's lots out there will do your job. That's may or may not be unfortunate for you lot depending where you stand, but its a fact millions have had to get their head around already.

Just deal with it or move on.
I don't think that it's a good idea that the local fire brigade is put out to tender (see what I did there?) for the cheapest bid.

Why is it that when it comes to MPs pay they insists that they should be paid the "going rate" to attract "the best" but this never seems to apply to the emergency services? Why do you think that is?
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: Teaspoon why don't you lot get back to work ( LOL ) or move outa the way and let people who wanna do the job get in there and do it. It's a classic case of capitalism, supply and demand. There's lots out there will do your job. That's may or may not be unfortunate for you lot depending where you stand, but its a fact millions have had to get their head around already. Just deal with it or move on.[/p][/quote]I don't think that it's a good idea that the local fire brigade is put out to tender (see what I did there?) for the cheapest bid. Why is it that when it comes to MPs pay they insists that they should be paid the "going rate" to attract "the best" but this never seems to apply to the emergency services? Why do you think that is? ISaidThis

7:03am Fri 20 Dec 13

molsey says...

ISaidThis wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
Teaspoon why don't you lot get back to work ( LOL ) or move outa the way and let people who wanna do the job get in there and do it.

It's a classic case of capitalism, supply and demand. There's lots out there will do your job. That's may or may not be unfortunate for you lot depending where you stand, but its a fact millions have had to get their head around already.

Just deal with it or move on.
I don't think that it's a good idea that the local fire brigade is put out to tender (see what I did there?) for the cheapest bid.

Why is it that when it comes to MPs pay they insists that they should be paid the "going rate" to attract "the best" but this never seems to apply to the emergency services? Why do you think that is?
Where/who is suggesting the/a fire brigade is put out to tender?

A decent wage is maintained for MP's to encourage potential candidates to come forward and stand in a local election. If the local electorate don't think they are suitable they don't vote for him/her. No comparison with firefighters who for a start are not voted for, and second more or less any Joe Blogg's can be trained very quickly to become a firefighter as long as he/she is fit and can pass a medical.
[quote][p][bold]ISaidThis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: Teaspoon why don't you lot get back to work ( LOL ) or move outa the way and let people who wanna do the job get in there and do it. It's a classic case of capitalism, supply and demand. There's lots out there will do your job. That's may or may not be unfortunate for you lot depending where you stand, but its a fact millions have had to get their head around already. Just deal with it or move on.[/p][/quote]I don't think that it's a good idea that the local fire brigade is put out to tender (see what I did there?) for the cheapest bid. Why is it that when it comes to MPs pay they insists that they should be paid the "going rate" to attract "the best" but this never seems to apply to the emergency services? Why do you think that is?[/p][/quote]Where/who is suggesting the/a fire brigade is put out to tender? A decent wage is maintained for MP's to encourage potential candidates to come forward and stand in a local election. If the local electorate don't think they are suitable they don't vote for him/her. No comparison with firefighters who for a start are not voted for, and second more or less any Joe Blogg's can be trained very quickly to become a firefighter as long as he/she is fit and can pass a medical. molsey

11:39am Fri 20 Dec 13

Gypo.Joe says...

First of all we all agree the fire fairies ( sorry I cant help meself ) provide an important service. Now for years they have cultivated this dashing image of themselves rushing head long into raging fires to rescue damsels, OAPs, tards who are BNP supporters etc etc. Sorry but that's all changed now, it has been changed for a number of years. Sprinkler systems, fire retardants in furniture, smoke detectors, and H&S laws etc etc have made their job different lets say. Yes its a manual job, lets be honest though you don't exactly need a degree to do it after some training. Its now virtually not a lot different to other manual trade, like brickies, carpenters, scaffolders, miners, dockers, what next do they all get to retire on a nice pension because the job THEY chose is supposedly to much as they age.
In a word lads ( and ladies ) get on wiv it FFS.
First of all we all agree the fire fairies ( sorry I cant help meself ) provide an important service. Now for years they have cultivated this dashing image of themselves rushing head long into raging fires to rescue damsels, OAPs, tards who are BNP supporters etc etc. Sorry but that's all changed now, it has been changed for a number of years. Sprinkler systems, fire retardants in furniture, smoke detectors, and H&S laws etc etc have made their job different lets say. Yes its a manual job, lets be honest though you don't exactly need a degree to do it after some training. Its now virtually not a lot different to other manual trade, like brickies, carpenters, scaffolders, miners, dockers, what next do they all get to retire on a nice pension because the job THEY chose is supposedly to much as they age. In a word lads ( and ladies ) get on wiv it FFS. Gypo.Joe

11:04am Sat 21 Dec 13

rescoffering says...

Rev Dave Smith wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
screw_your_loaf wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.
Welcome to the real world. I know lots of people who have had their contract of employment changed in recent years. I can understand your frustration a little but you lot are quickly becoming a bore. Your job has changed, deal with it or get the F out,there's loads more will do it and that's the hard facts of life.
A certain "Jack Dromey" caused outrage last week on Twitter by using a racist derogatory name to describe someone from the Travelling community and is now being investigated by the police because of a "hate crime". Please STOP using your also racist, and offensive username as it also comes under the same law. Posting under an offensive username is totally wrong and you need to stop using such a name.
...what you have to remember 'rev' is that 'gypo joe' is an extremist!! - some wags are bound to plaster that around though!! rofl!!
[quote][p][bold]Rev Dave Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]screw_your_loaf[/bold] wrote: I am a serving Firefighter, all I can tell you is that I pay nearly £400 per month in pension contributions, all I want is the contract that I signed to be honoured.[/p][/quote]Welcome to the real world. I know lots of people who have had their contract of employment changed in recent years. I can understand your frustration a little but you lot are quickly becoming a bore. Your job has changed, deal with it or get the F out,there's loads more will do it and that's the hard facts of life.[/p][/quote]A certain "Jack Dromey" caused outrage last week on Twitter by using a racist derogatory name to describe someone from the Travelling community and is now being investigated by the police because of a "hate crime". Please STOP using your also racist, and offensive username as it also comes under the same law. Posting under an offensive username is totally wrong and you need to stop using such a name.[/p][/quote]...what you have to remember 'rev' is that 'gypo joe' is an extremist!! - some wags are bound to plaster that around though!! rofl!! rescoffering

11:05am Sat 21 Dec 13

rescoffering says...

american football wrote:
someone said its simon bull is that right?
...rofl!! :)
[quote][p][bold]american football[/bold] wrote: someone said its simon bull is that right?[/p][/quote]...rofl!! :) rescoffering

11:11am Sat 21 Dec 13

rescoffering says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
First of all we all agree the fire fairies ( sorry I cant help meself ) provide an important service. Now for years they have cultivated this dashing image of themselves rushing head long into raging fires to rescue damsels, OAPs, tards who are BNP supporters etc etc. Sorry but that's all changed now, it has been changed for a number of years. Sprinkler systems, fire retardants in furniture, smoke detectors, and H&S laws etc etc have made their job different lets say. Yes its a manual job, lets be honest though you don't exactly need a degree to do it after some training. Its now virtually not a lot different to other manual trade, like brickies, carpenters, scaffolders, miners, dockers, what next do they all get to retire on a nice pension because the job THEY chose is supposedly to much as they age. In a word lads ( and ladies ) get on wiv it FFS.
...lavatory attendant/extremist 'gypo joe' with a view about everything!! ...so it is like saying - decent, honest, folk can now purchase first-aid kits in the high street so we don't need an ambulance service!! ...run along extremist 'gypo joe' you dirty bowser!! ...but solk us away from the taddy 'gypo joe' ...yoordjeele's soonee-in munya!! ya clown!! rofl!! :)
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: First of all we all agree the fire fairies ( sorry I cant help meself ) provide an important service. Now for years they have cultivated this dashing image of themselves rushing head long into raging fires to rescue damsels, OAPs, tards who are BNP supporters etc etc. Sorry but that's all changed now, it has been changed for a number of years. Sprinkler systems, fire retardants in furniture, smoke detectors, and H&S laws etc etc have made their job different lets say. Yes its a manual job, lets be honest though you don't exactly need a degree to do it after some training. Its now virtually not a lot different to other manual trade, like brickies, carpenters, scaffolders, miners, dockers, what next do they all get to retire on a nice pension because the job THEY chose is supposedly to much as they age. In a word lads ( and ladies ) get on wiv it FFS.[/p][/quote]...lavatory attendant/extremist 'gypo joe' with a view about everything!! ...so it is like saying - decent, honest, folk can now purchase first-aid kits in the high street so we don't need an ambulance service!! ...run along extremist 'gypo joe' you dirty bowser!! ...but solk us away from the taddy 'gypo joe' ...yoordjeele's soonee-in munya!! ya clown!! rofl!! :) rescoffering

11:45pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Gypo.Joe says...

Just waiting fer Mrs G to finish off her war paint before we take in the sunset at the cocktail bar, thought I'd have a butchers at what old muver Daley was bleating about.

Eat my shorts Karl.

Tell slap head Brewer I said are souls to ya. ( ALL ! )

Luv Joey G :- )

PS, stop fraping me in the office or I'll knock ya wages fer next week, and ya holiday pay.
Just waiting fer Mrs G to finish off her war paint before we take in the sunset at the cocktail bar, thought I'd have a butchers at what old muver Daley was bleating about. Eat my shorts Karl. Tell slap head Brewer I said are souls to ya. ( ALL ! ) Luv Joey G :- ) PS, stop fraping me in the office or I'll knock ya wages fer next week, and ya holiday pay. Gypo.Joe

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