Syrian refugee's new life in New Cross as struggling artist after torture and prison

Syrian refugee Hasan Abdalla fled torture and imprisonment. Pictured in his single room in New Cross packed with his artwork.

Syrian refugee Hasan Abdalla fled torture and imprisonment. Pictured in his single room in New Cross packed with his artwork.

Syrian refugee Hasan Abdalla fled torture and imprisonment. Pictured in his single room in New Cross packed with his artwork.

Artwork by Syrian lecturer Hasan Abdalla

Hasan Abdalla, photo by Paul Conroy for Seeking Sanctuary,

Hasan Abdalla, photo by Paul Conroy for Seeking Sanctuary

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A lecturer who fled imprisonment and torture in Syria has found sanctuary in New Cross. SARAH TROTTER finds out about the refugee's new life as a struggling artist in Lewisham.

HASAN Abdalla was beaten, locked up, and tortured with electric shocks for daring to speak out against an oppressive Syrian regime.

News Shopper: Syrian refugee's new life in New Cross as struggling artist after torture and imprisonment

The university lecturer, writer and artist was forced to flee his war-torn country - leaving behind his wife and teenage son - for fear of further imprisonment after guards raided his home following demonstrations in July 2011.

The 58-year-old escaped to Lebanon, then Turkey, where he made his way in a lorry to the UK in September 2011 and was granted refugee status after six months.

He now lives off New Cross Road where new challenges come from living on a shoestring in a single room jam-packed with his artwork.

News Shopper: Syrian refugee's new life in New Cross as struggling artist after torture and imprisonment

Mr Abdalla told News Shopper: "I was not a politician but I was imprisoned just because of my ideas.

"They have different kinds of torture. Mainly electric shocks and mostly they would take you in the morning to beat you until you are unconscious.

"There was a board of wood - you lie you on your back and they bend it - that means your back will be bent. You can’t endure that, you feel as if your spinal cord could break down.

"It was very cruel, you can’t imagine.

"After four months of demonstrations, the security at a demonstration shot two of my friends dead.

"And the second day we went to their funeral, again they shot us.

"They raided my flat, which I wasn’t living in at that time because I knew they were going to come."

The father-of-three says he fears for his family, who he hopes will join him, and for Syrian citizens fighting for democracy and peace.

He said: "I am worried about all the people, not only my family. All the people are kind of my family."

When he first arrived in England he lived in cramped Birmingham refugee accommodation before being granted asylum status.

News Shopper: Syrian refugee's new life in New Cross as struggling artist after torture and imprisonment

He said: "At first, I actually suffered a lot. I thought I am in prison again, but not limited walls like in prison. You have a large area, but I still felt imprisoned."

Mr Abdalla says the change of life from a successful lecturer to an artist struggling to find work in a foreign country without a space to exhibit his paintings has been difficult.

But he says life in New Cross, where he has been for three months, is better with friendly, multicultural people and he is grateful to the UK and the British Red Cross who helped him.

He said: "I thank the UK.

"The people here are different to others in Europe - they are sociable, flexible, you can find friends easily. People are much more open to strangers here. It is multicultural with a different spectrum of people coexisting peacefully."

Mr Abdalla has been photographed by Sunday Times war photojournalist Paul Conroy for an exhibition called Seeking Sanctuary, showing the struggles of refugees who have moved to the UK as the Red Cross movement marks its 150th anniversary.

News Shopper: Hasan Abdalla, photo by Paul Conroy for Seeking Sanctuary, photo by Paul Conroy for Seeking Sanctuary

Speaking of the British Red Cross, Mr Abdalla said: "They did their best to help me. They were very gentle and kind people. I felt they were sharing my problems, and wanted to solve them."

Head of refugee services at British Red Cross Nick Scott Flynn, said: "Londoners have always welcomed people to their city - people who, for whatever reason, flee their homeland.

"What we have sought to achieve with Seeking Sanctuary, is an event that pays tribute to that welcome, but also challenges people’s perceptions of refugee life in London."

To find out more about Seeking Sanctuary visit redcross.org.uk/seekingsanctuary
To make a donation to Syrian Crisis Appeal go to redcross.org.uk/Donate-Now/Make-a-single-donation/Syria-Crisis-Appeal

Could you help Mr Abdalla exhibit his artwork in an affordable space? Contact strotter@london.newsquest.co.uk

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2:23pm Thu 21 Nov 13

sarfflondonbird says...

Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these.
Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?
Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry? sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 118

3:50pm Thu 21 Nov 13

Gypo.Joe says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these.
Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?
Fee fy fo fum I smell the stink of BNP.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?[/p][/quote]Fee fy fo fum I smell the stink of BNP. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -46

4:30pm Thu 21 Nov 13

the wall says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these.
Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?
Do you know nothing about the UK. Being British means we provide safety to people in genuine need. If you don't like it then leave or get into power yourself and change it.


sarfflondonbird you sound like Alf Garnett!
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?[/p][/quote]Do you know nothing about the UK. Being British means we provide safety to people in genuine need. If you don't like it then leave or get into power yourself and change it. sarfflondonbird you sound like Alf Garnett! the wall
  • Score: -64

4:38pm Thu 21 Nov 13

the wall says...

anything not nothing.
anything not nothing. the wall
  • Score: -70

7:57am Fri 22 Nov 13

sarfflondonbird says...

the wall wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these.
Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?
Do you know nothing about the UK. Being British means we provide safety to people in genuine need. If you don't like it then leave or get into power yourself and change it.


sarfflondonbird you sound like Alf Garnett!
I know that the U.K. (for its generous FREE provision of benefits, housing, healthcare, education) is going down the pan thanks to people seeking asylum here when there are other countries nearer who provide a safe haven also but WITHOUT all the free bees, why immediately head for this island all the time? Unfortunately, I would jump at the chance to "get out" of what I was once proud to eall my country of birth, but unfortunately, the money earned to keep this lot over here and abroad is so eaten away by taxes that I cannot afford to, and lastly, as for becoming a politician........I was never one to be put on the 'stage'. So unfortunately for the likes of you, I will continue to use this as my platform. If you don't like what I say, then don't keep reading my comments.
Who's Alf Garnett?
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?[/p][/quote]Do you know nothing about the UK. Being British means we provide safety to people in genuine need. If you don't like it then leave or get into power yourself and change it. sarfflondonbird you sound like Alf Garnett![/p][/quote]I know that the U.K. (for its generous FREE provision of benefits, housing, healthcare, education) is going down the pan thanks to people seeking asylum here when there are other countries nearer who provide a safe haven also but WITHOUT all the free bees, why immediately head for this island all the time? Unfortunately, I would jump at the chance to "get out" of what I was once proud to eall my country of birth, but unfortunately, the money earned to keep this lot over here and abroad is so eaten away by taxes that I cannot afford to, and lastly, as for becoming a politician........I was never one to be put on the 'stage'. So unfortunately for the likes of you, I will continue to use this as my platform. If you don't like what I say, then don't keep reading my comments. Who's Alf Garnett? sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 65

10:01am Fri 22 Nov 13

the wall says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
the wall wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these.
Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?
Do you know nothing about the UK. Being British means we provide safety to people in genuine need. If you don't like it then leave or get into power yourself and change it.


sarfflondonbird you sound like Alf Garnett!
I know that the U.K. (for its generous FREE provision of benefits, housing, healthcare, education) is going down the pan thanks to people seeking asylum here when there are other countries nearer who provide a safe haven also but WITHOUT all the free bees, why immediately head for this island all the time? Unfortunately, I would jump at the chance to "get out" of what I was once proud to eall my country of birth, but unfortunately, the money earned to keep this lot over here and abroad is so eaten away by taxes that I cannot afford to, and lastly, as for becoming a politician........I was never one to be put on the 'stage'. So unfortunately for the likes of you, I will continue to use this as my platform. If you don't like what I say, then don't keep reading my comments.
Who's Alf Garnett?
Do you think that no other European country takes in asylum seekers / people seeking shelter from being killed ?

So lets just say all asylum stops, do you think the government would change the tax we all pay? If your answer is yes then you are as dumb as most of your comments.

Do you read the Daily Mail?

I will continue to use this as my platform. LOL. WOW you're aiming really big. Really this is because you know how bigoted, prejudiced and intolerant your comments are.

Google Alf Garnett - It's you all over.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?[/p][/quote]Do you know nothing about the UK. Being British means we provide safety to people in genuine need. If you don't like it then leave or get into power yourself and change it. sarfflondonbird you sound like Alf Garnett![/p][/quote]I know that the U.K. (for its generous FREE provision of benefits, housing, healthcare, education) is going down the pan thanks to people seeking asylum here when there are other countries nearer who provide a safe haven also but WITHOUT all the free bees, why immediately head for this island all the time? Unfortunately, I would jump at the chance to "get out" of what I was once proud to eall my country of birth, but unfortunately, the money earned to keep this lot over here and abroad is so eaten away by taxes that I cannot afford to, and lastly, as for becoming a politician........I was never one to be put on the 'stage'. So unfortunately for the likes of you, I will continue to use this as my platform. If you don't like what I say, then don't keep reading my comments. Who's Alf Garnett?[/p][/quote]Do you think that no other European country takes in asylum seekers / people seeking shelter from being killed ? So lets just say all asylum stops, do you think the government would change the tax we all pay? If your answer is yes then you are as dumb as most of your comments. Do you read the Daily Mail? I will continue to use this as my platform. LOL. WOW you're aiming really big. Really this is because you know how bigoted, prejudiced and intolerant your comments are. Google Alf Garnett - It's you all over. the wall
  • Score: -56

10:10am Fri 22 Nov 13

76543Don says...

This story emphasizes how easy it is to meet the appallingly weak crteria to be allowed to stay in this country and receive a host of benefits this person is now receiving having not contributed a penny towards the system and now complains he needs more room to display his art work!
Lets look at the facts...... he claims he was beaten and tortured in Syria? maybe.. maybe not ...... he then claims he made his way to Lebanon (why not stay there then?) and then travels to a destination that many Brits visit for their holiday (personally i never travel to non Christian countries these days) ...Turkey ...like i say hundreds of thousands of Brits are quite happy to stay there on their holidays but Mr Abdalla decides oh no this is not ideal for him (anything to do with the free assistance out there i wonder?) and travels to England.... If he was fleeing for his life.. or safety why did he not stay in the first "safe" country he reached? Lebanon Ok is prob not ideal... but Turkey is safe enough for certain... and it is an insult to the Turkish citizens to suggest it is not!"Right lets look at the statement from the British Red Cross..."Londoners have always welcomed people to their city - people who, for whatever reason, flee their homeland" .......well Londoners' have never been offically asked how they feel on issues like this... but are generally very friendly towards everyone.... the point is the Red Cross are total idiots if they feel the last part of that sentence strikes a chord with the British public where they say "for whatever reason" what like you mean Brits will welcome ANYONE who for "ANY" reason decides to just arrive here? when we have a million young people out of work and a chronic shortage of housing?
Well that is it! i usually donate to the British Red Cross because i thought it was a charity i could help out... but now i will refuse to donate anything to this charity again!
This country cannot take in any person from the world who meets the BRC criteria of welcoming people. housing them, supporting them finacially just because someone "for any reason" decides to come here.... so well done British Red Cross you have lost my donations!
This story emphasizes how easy it is to meet the appallingly weak crteria to be allowed to stay in this country and receive a host of benefits this person is now receiving having not contributed a penny towards the system and now complains he needs more room to display his art work! Lets look at the facts...... he claims he was beaten and tortured in Syria? maybe.. maybe not ...... he then claims he made his way to Lebanon (why not stay there then?) and then travels to a destination that many Brits visit for their holiday (personally i never travel to non Christian countries these days) ...Turkey ...like i say hundreds of thousands of Brits are quite happy to stay there on their holidays but Mr Abdalla decides oh no this is not ideal for him (anything to do with the free assistance out there i wonder?) and travels to England.... If he was fleeing for his life.. or safety why did he not stay in the first "safe" country he reached? Lebanon Ok is prob not ideal... but Turkey is safe enough for certain... and it is an insult to the Turkish citizens to suggest it is not!"Right lets look at the statement from the British Red Cross..."Londoners have always welcomed people to their city - people who, for whatever reason, flee their homeland" .......well Londoners' have never been offically asked how they feel on issues like this... but are generally very friendly towards everyone.... the point is the Red Cross are total idiots if they feel the last part of that sentence strikes a chord with the British public where they say "for whatever reason" what like you mean Brits will welcome ANYONE who for "ANY" reason decides to just arrive here? when we have a million young people out of work and a chronic shortage of housing? Well that is it! i usually donate to the British Red Cross because i thought it was a charity i could help out... but now i will refuse to donate anything to this charity again! This country cannot take in any person from the world who meets the BRC criteria of welcoming people. housing them, supporting them finacially just because someone "for any reason" decides to come here.... so well done British Red Cross you have lost my donations! 76543Don
  • Score: 71

10:17am Fri 22 Nov 13

Sankey Steve says...

I see in todays Daily Mail it says 82% say NO to new infux from bulgaria & romania
85% say our schools & NHs CANNOT cope
76% say young BRitons are losing out on jobs and 1M of them are OUT of work
I see in todays Daily Mail it says 82% say NO to new infux from bulgaria & romania 85% say our schools & NHs CANNOT cope 76% say young BRitons are losing out on jobs and 1M of them are OUT of work Sankey Steve
  • Score: 58

10:19am Fri 22 Nov 13

Sankey Steve says...

the wall wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote: Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?
Do you know nothing about the UK. Being British means we provide safety to people in genuine need. If you don't like it then leave or get into power yourself and change it. sarfflondonbird you sound like Alf Garnett!
If you dont like opposing views wall i suggest you p!ss off out of my country lol =(
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?[/p][/quote]Do you know nothing about the UK. Being British means we provide safety to people in genuine need. If you don't like it then leave or get into power yourself and change it. sarfflondonbird you sound like Alf Garnett![/p][/quote]If you dont like opposing views wall i suggest you p!ss off out of my country lol =( Sankey Steve
  • Score: 60

10:31am Fri 22 Nov 13

Sankey Steve says...

PPL should Google the footage in Syria of the so called peaceful rebels throwing employess of the state run post office off the roof of the bulding to their deaths!!!!! these are the opposers to the Govt,!!!
Assad rubbed shoulders with our Royalty & politicians previously & Cameron wanted to send cruise missiles into syria costing 1million pounds each to drag us into another war
Cameron got slapped down after MEP Griffin from the BNP drafted a letter with the Syrian interior Ministers after travelling to Syria which was then sent to every British MP who narrowly voted for no bombing or military action in the British Ppls name
Cameron doing nothing!!! they are all wrapped up with their chums in the banks we've seen the filth of the gay **** the expenses fiddles & still it goes on!!!!
PPL should Google the footage in Syria of the so called peaceful rebels throwing employess of the state run post office off the roof of the bulding to their deaths!!!!! these are the opposers to the Govt,!!! Assad rubbed shoulders with our Royalty & politicians previously & Cameron wanted to send cruise missiles into syria costing 1million pounds each to drag us into another war Cameron got slapped down after MEP Griffin from the BNP drafted a letter with the Syrian interior Ministers after travelling to Syria which was then sent to every British MP who narrowly voted for no bombing or military action in the British Ppls name Cameron doing nothing!!! they are all wrapped up with their chums in the banks we've seen the filth of the gay **** the expenses fiddles & still it goes on!!!! Sankey Steve
  • Score: 56

10:32am Fri 22 Nov 13

Sankey Steve says...

why is p0rn an offensive word?
why is p0rn an offensive word? Sankey Steve
  • Score: 20

10:35am Fri 22 Nov 13

Sankey Steve says...

This guy says he was was not a politician but was imprisoned because of his ideas yet gypojoe has previously said he wants all BNP members and voters jailed? Hmmmmmmmm
This guy says he was was not a politician but was imprisoned because of his ideas yet gypojoe has previously said he wants all BNP members and voters jailed? Hmmmmmmmm Sankey Steve
  • Score: 53

10:45am Fri 22 Nov 13

Gypo.Joe says...

"Hewitts Roundabout runaway pig has been returned to animal sanctuary"


I guess they have internet access for all the piggies there.

You know who is a pig farmer.
"Hewitts Roundabout runaway pig has been returned to animal sanctuary" I guess they have internet access for all the piggies there. You know who is a pig farmer. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -32

10:52am Fri 22 Nov 13

molsey says...

the wall wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
the wall wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these.
Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?
Do you know nothing about the UK. Being British means we provide safety to people in genuine need. If you don't like it then leave or get into power yourself and change it.


sarfflondonbird you sound like Alf Garnett!
I know that the U.K. (for its generous FREE provision of benefits, housing, healthcare, education) is going down the pan thanks to people seeking asylum here when there are other countries nearer who provide a safe haven also but WITHOUT all the free bees, why immediately head for this island all the time? Unfortunately, I would jump at the chance to "get out" of what I was once proud to eall my country of birth, but unfortunately, the money earned to keep this lot over here and abroad is so eaten away by taxes that I cannot afford to, and lastly, as for becoming a politician........I was never one to be put on the 'stage'. So unfortunately for the likes of you, I will continue to use this as my platform. If you don't like what I say, then don't keep reading my comments.
Who's Alf Garnett?
Do you think that no other European country takes in asylum seekers / people seeking shelter from being killed ?

So lets just say all asylum stops, do you think the government would change the tax we all pay? If your answer is yes then you are as dumb as most of your comments.

Do you read the Daily Mail?

I will continue to use this as my platform. LOL. WOW you're aiming really big. Really this is because you know how bigoted, prejudiced and intolerant your comments are.

Google Alf Garnett - It's you all over.
WALL YOU ARE CLEARLY DISTURBED.
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?[/p][/quote]Do you know nothing about the UK. Being British means we provide safety to people in genuine need. If you don't like it then leave or get into power yourself and change it. sarfflondonbird you sound like Alf Garnett![/p][/quote]I know that the U.K. (for its generous FREE provision of benefits, housing, healthcare, education) is going down the pan thanks to people seeking asylum here when there are other countries nearer who provide a safe haven also but WITHOUT all the free bees, why immediately head for this island all the time? Unfortunately, I would jump at the chance to "get out" of what I was once proud to eall my country of birth, but unfortunately, the money earned to keep this lot over here and abroad is so eaten away by taxes that I cannot afford to, and lastly, as for becoming a politician........I was never one to be put on the 'stage'. So unfortunately for the likes of you, I will continue to use this as my platform. If you don't like what I say, then don't keep reading my comments. Who's Alf Garnett?[/p][/quote]Do you think that no other European country takes in asylum seekers / people seeking shelter from being killed ? So lets just say all asylum stops, do you think the government would change the tax we all pay? If your answer is yes then you are as dumb as most of your comments. Do you read the Daily Mail? I will continue to use this as my platform. LOL. WOW you're aiming really big. Really this is because you know how bigoted, prejudiced and intolerant your comments are. Google Alf Garnett - It's you all over.[/p][/quote]WALL YOU ARE CLEARLY DISTURBED. molsey
  • Score: 64

11:05am Fri 22 Nov 13

Gypo.Joe says...

Please lets have a concentrated effort here to get the comments up as high as possible.

Me and 'Wall' are relying on this for our Christmas bonus this coming month.

THAnk yoU
Please lets have a concentrated effort here to get the comments up as high as possible. Me and 'Wall' are relying on this for our Christmas bonus this coming month. THAnk yoU Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -17

11:29am Fri 22 Nov 13

the wall says...

-33 in 90 minutes got to be a record.

Rolling in money with all this extra traffic you and I bring to the NS.
-33 in 90 minutes got to be a record. Rolling in money with all this extra traffic you and I bring to the NS. the wall
  • Score: -16

12:06pm Fri 22 Nov 13

the wall says...

A pizza delivery shop in Plymouth advertised for a driver/ moped rider to deliver pizza. Any locals indigenous natives applying? Nope! Zilch, Nada, to lazy. Plenty of people from minority groups and East Europeans did.

And talking of minority groups I see the BNP socket muppets have been doing over time.
A pizza delivery shop in Plymouth advertised for a driver/ moped rider to deliver pizza. Any locals indigenous natives applying? Nope! Zilch, Nada, to lazy. Plenty of people from minority groups and East Europeans did. And talking of minority groups I see the BNP socket muppets have been doing over time. the wall
  • Score: -50

2:01pm Fri 22 Nov 13

sarfflondonbird says...

the wall wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
the wall wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these.
Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?
Do you know nothing about the UK. Being British means we provide safety to people in genuine need. If you don't like it then leave or get into power yourself and change it.


sarfflondonbird you sound like Alf Garnett!
I know that the U.K. (for its generous FREE provision of benefits, housing, healthcare, education) is going down the pan thanks to people seeking asylum here when there are other countries nearer who provide a safe haven also but WITHOUT all the free bees, why immediately head for this island all the time? Unfortunately, I would jump at the chance to "get out" of what I was once proud to eall my country of birth, but unfortunately, the money earned to keep this lot over here and abroad is so eaten away by taxes that I cannot afford to, and lastly, as for becoming a politician........I was never one to be put on the 'stage'. So unfortunately for the likes of you, I will continue to use this as my platform. If you don't like what I say, then don't keep reading my comments.
Who's Alf Garnett?
Do you think that no other European country takes in asylum seekers / people seeking shelter from being killed ?

So lets just say all asylum stops, do you think the government would change the tax we all pay? If your answer is yes then you are as dumb as most of your comments.

Do you read the Daily Mail?

I will continue to use this as my platform. LOL. WOW you're aiming really big. Really this is because you know how bigoted, prejudiced and intolerant your comments are.

Google Alf Garnett - It's you all over.
Told you.............if you dont like or feel offended by my comments............
.feel free not to read them. No one forces you to.
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?[/p][/quote]Do you know nothing about the UK. Being British means we provide safety to people in genuine need. If you don't like it then leave or get into power yourself and change it. sarfflondonbird you sound like Alf Garnett![/p][/quote]I know that the U.K. (for its generous FREE provision of benefits, housing, healthcare, education) is going down the pan thanks to people seeking asylum here when there are other countries nearer who provide a safe haven also but WITHOUT all the free bees, why immediately head for this island all the time? Unfortunately, I would jump at the chance to "get out" of what I was once proud to eall my country of birth, but unfortunately, the money earned to keep this lot over here and abroad is so eaten away by taxes that I cannot afford to, and lastly, as for becoming a politician........I was never one to be put on the 'stage'. So unfortunately for the likes of you, I will continue to use this as my platform. If you don't like what I say, then don't keep reading my comments. Who's Alf Garnett?[/p][/quote]Do you think that no other European country takes in asylum seekers / people seeking shelter from being killed ? So lets just say all asylum stops, do you think the government would change the tax we all pay? If your answer is yes then you are as dumb as most of your comments. Do you read the Daily Mail? I will continue to use this as my platform. LOL. WOW you're aiming really big. Really this is because you know how bigoted, prejudiced and intolerant your comments are. Google Alf Garnett - It's you all over.[/p][/quote]Told you.............if you dont like or feel offended by my comments............ .feel free not to read them. No one forces you to. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 23

2:26pm Fri 22 Nov 13

PaulErith says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote: Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?
Fee fy fo fum I smell the stink of BNP.
I sit in the middle on this debate. As I've said before, I'm definitely no racist. I also have compassion and believe that helping people from war torn countries is right. However, do you not think that there has to be a cap on immigration? You give the impression that you believe there should be no limits. The problem is that we just can't cope with it as a country. There's just over 20 million people in Syria for example. Do we invite them all to leave their country and set up home here? Clearly from a compassionate perspective, that would be a great thing to do. However, our infrastructure could not cope. Therefore there has to be limits.
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?[/p][/quote]Fee fy fo fum I smell the stink of BNP.[/p][/quote]I sit in the middle on this debate. As I've said before, I'm definitely no racist. I also have compassion and believe that helping people from war torn countries is right. However, do you not think that there has to be a cap on immigration? You give the impression that you believe there should be no limits. The problem is that we just can't cope with it as a country. There's just over 20 million people in Syria for example. Do we invite them all to leave their country and set up home here? Clearly from a compassionate perspective, that would be a great thing to do. However, our infrastructure could not cope. Therefore there has to be limits. PaulErith
  • Score: 35

2:47pm Fri 22 Nov 13

Gypo.Joe says...

PaulErith wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote: Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?
Fee fy fo fum I smell the stink of BNP.
I sit in the middle on this debate. As I've said before, I'm definitely no racist. I also have compassion and believe that helping people from war torn countries is right. However, do you not think that there has to be a cap on immigration? You give the impression that you believe there should be no limits. The problem is that we just can't cope with it as a country. There's just over 20 million people in Syria for example. Do we invite them all to leave their country and set up home here? Clearly from a compassionate perspective, that would be a great thing to do. However, our infrastructure could not cope. Therefore there has to be limits.
Paul I've told our resident BNP sock puppets time and time again I believe along with most reasonable people we need strict controls on immigration. We only need people with a required skill, we have enough burger flippers, shelf fillers, windscreen washers etc from those already here and our own work shy lay abouts. What I don't want is some sort of ethnic cleansing as most of the BNP/EDL morons who post on here support.
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?[/p][/quote]Fee fy fo fum I smell the stink of BNP.[/p][/quote]I sit in the middle on this debate. As I've said before, I'm definitely no racist. I also have compassion and believe that helping people from war torn countries is right. However, do you not think that there has to be a cap on immigration? You give the impression that you believe there should be no limits. The problem is that we just can't cope with it as a country. There's just over 20 million people in Syria for example. Do we invite them all to leave their country and set up home here? Clearly from a compassionate perspective, that would be a great thing to do. However, our infrastructure could not cope. Therefore there has to be limits.[/p][/quote]Paul I've told our resident BNP sock puppets time and time again I believe along with most reasonable people we need strict controls on immigration. We only need people with a required skill, we have enough burger flippers, shelf fillers, windscreen washers etc from those already here and our own work shy lay abouts. What I don't want is some sort of ethnic cleansing as most of the BNP/EDL morons who post on here support. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -20

2:52pm Fri 22 Nov 13

sarfflondonbird says...

the wall wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
the wall wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these.
Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?
Do you know nothing about the UK. Being British means we provide safety to people in genuine need. If you don't like it then leave or get into power yourself and change it.


sarfflondonbird you sound like Alf Garnett!
I know that the U.K. (for its generous FREE provision of benefits, housing, healthcare, education) is going down the pan thanks to people seeking asylum here when there are other countries nearer who provide a safe haven also but WITHOUT all the free bees, why immediately head for this island all the time? Unfortunately, I would jump at the chance to "get out" of what I was once proud to eall my country of birth, but unfortunately, the money earned to keep this lot over here and abroad is so eaten away by taxes that I cannot afford to, and lastly, as for becoming a politician........I was never one to be put on the 'stage'. So unfortunately for the likes of you, I will continue to use this as my platform. If you don't like what I say, then don't keep reading my comments.
Who's Alf Garnett?
Do you think that no other European country takes in asylum seekers / people seeking shelter from being killed ?

So lets just say all asylum stops, do you think the government would change the tax we all pay? If your answer is yes then you are as dumb as most of your comments.

Do you read the Daily Mail?

I will continue to use this as my platform. LOL. WOW you're aiming really big. Really this is because you know how bigoted, prejudiced and intolerant your comments are.

Google Alf Garnett - It's you all over.
Answers to your questions.
Of course I am aware that other European countries take in a small proportion of refugee/asylum seekers, but the mainstream head for UK for the generous benefits all given FREELY. Yes? I thought so.
If asylum were to be stopped of course the government would not lower taxes, I am not that naive to think otherwise, it would be a great feeling that they were not being wasted on these spongers. But by cutting benefits to so called asylum and benefit scroungers from abroad and lowering overseas aid which incidentally has been proved to be futile, it would be a start to getting this island off the austerity measures imposed by this sanctimonious government as then, there would be more funds to sort out this country's mess, or did that not enter your mind?
Lastly it matters not to you which newspaper I read as I make my opinions and judgements from all types of media like others on here, and no doubt., including yourself. But I have to say, I find that you really do take constructive opinions to heart and show intolerance of other peoples. I would like to point out that I don't always agree with your printed comments on subjects, then again, some I do (not a lot though I have to say).I find your comments often bigoted but I do not throw this into your face because I believe you have a right to comment your beliefs. I could go so far as to say I think you are a bigoted mealy mouthed oik, but then I would be lowering myself to your level of insults.
So all in all, and as I have repeated, by all accounts feel free to either read my comments or not, but take time to consider, that people (who incidentally vote more thumbs up to my comments than yours) like myself, do not always have the mamby pamby attitude towards our non endearing tenants from abroad, and will make a valid point if we feel it necessary. I suggest you just get used to it ,or as you put it, move out. Good day.
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?[/p][/quote]Do you know nothing about the UK. Being British means we provide safety to people in genuine need. If you don't like it then leave or get into power yourself and change it. sarfflondonbird you sound like Alf Garnett![/p][/quote]I know that the U.K. (for its generous FREE provision of benefits, housing, healthcare, education) is going down the pan thanks to people seeking asylum here when there are other countries nearer who provide a safe haven also but WITHOUT all the free bees, why immediately head for this island all the time? Unfortunately, I would jump at the chance to "get out" of what I was once proud to eall my country of birth, but unfortunately, the money earned to keep this lot over here and abroad is so eaten away by taxes that I cannot afford to, and lastly, as for becoming a politician........I was never one to be put on the 'stage'. So unfortunately for the likes of you, I will continue to use this as my platform. If you don't like what I say, then don't keep reading my comments. Who's Alf Garnett?[/p][/quote]Do you think that no other European country takes in asylum seekers / people seeking shelter from being killed ? So lets just say all asylum stops, do you think the government would change the tax we all pay? If your answer is yes then you are as dumb as most of your comments. Do you read the Daily Mail? I will continue to use this as my platform. LOL. WOW you're aiming really big. Really this is because you know how bigoted, prejudiced and intolerant your comments are. Google Alf Garnett - It's you all over.[/p][/quote]Answers to your questions. Of course I am aware that other European countries take in a small proportion of refugee/asylum seekers, but the mainstream head for UK for the generous benefits all given FREELY. Yes? I thought so. If asylum were to be stopped of course the government would not lower taxes, I am not that naive to think otherwise, it would be a great feeling that they were not being wasted on these spongers. But by cutting benefits to so called asylum and benefit scroungers from abroad and lowering overseas aid which incidentally has been proved to be futile, it would be a start to getting this island off the austerity measures imposed by this sanctimonious government as then, there would be more funds to sort out this country's mess, or did that not enter your mind? Lastly it matters not to you which newspaper I read as I make my opinions and judgements from all types of media like others on here, and no doubt., including yourself. But I have to say, I find that you really do take constructive opinions to heart and show intolerance of other peoples. I would like to point out that I don't always agree with your printed comments on subjects, then again, some I do (not a lot though I have to say).I find your comments often bigoted but I do not throw this into your face because I believe you have a right to comment your beliefs. I could go so far as to say I think you are a bigoted mealy mouthed oik, but then I would be lowering myself to your level of insults. So all in all, and as I have repeated, by all accounts feel free to either read my comments or not, but take time to consider, that people (who incidentally vote more thumbs up to my comments than yours) like myself, do not always have the mamby pamby attitude towards our non endearing tenants from abroad, and will make a valid point if we feel it necessary. I suggest you just get used to it ,or as you put it, move out. Good day. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 26

3:02pm Fri 22 Nov 13

sarfflondonbird says...

PaulErith wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote: Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?
Fee fy fo fum I smell the stink of BNP.
I sit in the middle on this debate. As I've said before, I'm definitely no racist. I also have compassion and believe that helping people from war torn countries is right. However, do you not think that there has to be a cap on immigration? You give the impression that you believe there should be no limits. The problem is that we just can't cope with it as a country. There's just over 20 million people in Syria for example. Do we invite them all to leave their country and set up home here? Clearly from a compassionate perspective, that would be a great thing to do. However, our infrastructure could not cope. Therefore there has to be limits.
If it were to come to fruition, be sure that this government would think nothing of using greenbelt (whats left of it), to building more concrete jungles for them all to come over and reside in. That would truly be the end of this beautiful country that we once were so proud of.
Believe me, I used to have compassion for asylum seekers, but I just see them now using and 'extracting the urine' out of this country, milking for all its worth, even to the extent of making money then hopping off back home to war torn land to build their bloody great mansions and live out the rest of their lives there, while this country turns into a third world country itself.
I am sorry but as I have said before, there are truly other countries that could and should take a responsibility on asylum as much as the UK, in fact more so, as they have bigger countries than our little island and can well accommodate better.
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?[/p][/quote]Fee fy fo fum I smell the stink of BNP.[/p][/quote]I sit in the middle on this debate. As I've said before, I'm definitely no racist. I also have compassion and believe that helping people from war torn countries is right. However, do you not think that there has to be a cap on immigration? You give the impression that you believe there should be no limits. The problem is that we just can't cope with it as a country. There's just over 20 million people in Syria for example. Do we invite them all to leave their country and set up home here? Clearly from a compassionate perspective, that would be a great thing to do. However, our infrastructure could not cope. Therefore there has to be limits.[/p][/quote]If it were to come to fruition, be sure that this government would think nothing of using greenbelt (whats left of it), to building more concrete jungles for them all to come over and reside in. That would truly be the end of this beautiful country that we once were so proud of. Believe me, I used to have compassion for asylum seekers, but I just see them now using and 'extracting the urine' out of this country, milking for all its worth, even to the extent of making money then hopping off back home to war torn land to build their bloody great mansions and live out the rest of their lives there, while this country turns into a third world country itself. I am sorry but as I have said before, there are truly other countries that could and should take a responsibility on asylum as much as the UK, in fact more so, as they have bigger countries than our little island and can well accommodate better. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 33

3:35pm Fri 22 Nov 13

reasonable75 says...

I was walking along a High Street and passed a cab office. There was a notice in the window "Drivers wanted - must speak English"
I was walking along a High Street and passed a cab office. There was a notice in the window "Drivers wanted - must speak English" reasonable75
  • Score: 10

4:05pm Fri 22 Nov 13

Gypo.Joe says...

(who incidentally vote more thumbs up to my comments than yours)


Stop it you clown, we all know why that is.

ISP addresses tell all.
(who incidentally vote more thumbs up to my comments than yours) Stop it you clown, we all know why that is. ISP addresses tell all. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -11

4:08pm Fri 22 Nov 13

DinoFish says...

I can't imagine why this story has produced such a reaction on here, no precedent for it.....
I can't imagine why this story has produced such a reaction on here, no precedent for it..... DinoFish
  • Score: -6

10:52am Sat 23 Nov 13

the narkybadger says...

heres the way i see it .. hasan made his way to turkey, lovely climate, the people are good and friendly and the food is good, but he went online in some internet cafe out there like we all do! and checked out the best country to go to visit to be able to get generous help and europe was top with good old uk being at the top of that as giving out the best of everything so he jumped in to a truck and ignored the rules that you must apply for asylum in the first safe country you arrive in! seriously nothing against hasan personally but it is a scandal that he ignored the rules of applying for asylum as it sends out that its ok to break the rules and trave thousands of miles to get to the uk
as for the british red cross statement > that is ridiculous because if this guy had got here without first hopping across countries then im sure the majority of the public would be more understanding, but as it stands it is a scandal, and i would like to ask hasan if he is given a bigger property and presumbably that is to sell his art work; will he use the money he recieves to pay the british tax payers back? just thought i would ask that!
heres the way i see it .. hasan made his way to turkey, lovely climate, the people are good and friendly and the food is good, but he went online in some internet cafe out there like we all do! and checked out the best country to go to visit to be able to get generous help and europe was top with good old uk being at the top of that as giving out the best of everything so he jumped in to a truck and ignored the rules that you must apply for asylum in the first safe country you arrive in! seriously nothing against hasan personally but it is a scandal that he ignored the rules of applying for asylum as it sends out that its ok to break the rules and trave thousands of miles to get to the uk as for the british red cross statement > that is ridiculous because if this guy had got here without first hopping across countries then im sure the majority of the public would be more understanding, but as it stands it is a scandal, and i would like to ask hasan if he is given a bigger property and presumbably that is to sell his art work; will he use the money he recieves to pay the british tax payers back? just thought i would ask that! the narkybadger
  • Score: 10

11:11am Sat 23 Nov 13

Gypo.Joe says...

eyes2theright, I thought you used that name mainly on the Croydon Guardian.

Whatever.

Politically I believe in Conservative principles, but I lean a little left of center at times on certain subjects. Now as for the BNP even you know that the whole set up is a bunch of racist fools masquerading as a legit political party. You ( BNP ) attract a certain type of knuckle dragging moron. Check out any BNP video on YouTube of the type, or look at your comments on here. You are so dumb you cant even see that you do your cause not one little bit of good with your idiotic comments to me, or any ones else that opposes your racism. Hey you keep it up though, cause I will keep winding you up just to show you up for exactly what a clown you and all the BNP morons are.

Now Tony Pulis....kick and rush !! LOL
eyes2theright, I thought you used that name mainly on the Croydon Guardian. Whatever. Politically I believe in Conservative principles, but I lean a little left of center at times on certain subjects. Now as for the BNP even you know that the whole set up is a bunch of racist fools masquerading as a legit political party. You ( BNP ) attract a certain type of knuckle dragging moron. Check out any BNP video on YouTube of the type, or look at your comments on here. You are so dumb you cant even see that you do your cause not one little bit of good with your idiotic comments to me, or any ones else that opposes your racism. Hey you keep it up though, cause I will keep winding you up just to show you up for exactly what a clown you and all the BNP morons are. Now Tony Pulis....kick and rush !! LOL Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -10

11:31am Sat 23 Nov 13

molsey says...

76543Don wrote:
This story emphasizes how easy it is to meet the appallingly weak crteria to be allowed to stay in this country and receive a host of benefits this person is now receiving having not contributed a penny towards the system and now complains he needs more room to display his art work!
Lets look at the facts...... he claims he was beaten and tortured in Syria? maybe.. maybe not ...... he then claims he made his way to Lebanon (why not stay there then?) and then travels to a destination that many Brits visit for their holiday (personally i never travel to non Christian countries these days) ...Turkey ...like i say hundreds of thousands of Brits are quite happy to stay there on their holidays but Mr Abdalla decides oh no this is not ideal for him (anything to do with the free assistance out there i wonder?) and travels to England.... If he was fleeing for his life.. or safety why did he not stay in the first "safe" country he reached? Lebanon Ok is prob not ideal... but Turkey is safe enough for certain... and it is an insult to the Turkish citizens to suggest it is not!"Right lets look at the statement from the British Red Cross..."Londoners have always welcomed people to their city - people who, for whatever reason, flee their homeland" .......well Londoners' have never been offically asked how they feel on issues like this... but are generally very friendly towards everyone.... the point is the Red Cross are total idiots if they feel the last part of that sentence strikes a chord with the British public where they say "for whatever reason" what like you mean Brits will welcome ANYONE who for "ANY" reason decides to just arrive here? when we have a million young people out of work and a chronic shortage of housing?
Well that is it! i usually donate to the British Red Cross because i thought it was a charity i could help out... but now i will refuse to donate anything to this charity again!
This country cannot take in any person from the world who meets the BRC criteria of welcoming people. housing them, supporting them finacially just because someone "for any reason" decides to come here.... so well done British Red Cross you have lost my donations!
I agree. He seems cute enough to get his story in the NS to punt his paintings, if he sells any I wonder if he'll declare the dosh and come off benefit?
[quote][p][bold]76543Don[/bold] wrote: This story emphasizes how easy it is to meet the appallingly weak crteria to be allowed to stay in this country and receive a host of benefits this person is now receiving having not contributed a penny towards the system and now complains he needs more room to display his art work! Lets look at the facts...... he claims he was beaten and tortured in Syria? maybe.. maybe not ...... he then claims he made his way to Lebanon (why not stay there then?) and then travels to a destination that many Brits visit for their holiday (personally i never travel to non Christian countries these days) ...Turkey ...like i say hundreds of thousands of Brits are quite happy to stay there on their holidays but Mr Abdalla decides oh no this is not ideal for him (anything to do with the free assistance out there i wonder?) and travels to England.... If he was fleeing for his life.. or safety why did he not stay in the first "safe" country he reached? Lebanon Ok is prob not ideal... but Turkey is safe enough for certain... and it is an insult to the Turkish citizens to suggest it is not!"Right lets look at the statement from the British Red Cross..."Londoners have always welcomed people to their city - people who, for whatever reason, flee their homeland" .......well Londoners' have never been offically asked how they feel on issues like this... but are generally very friendly towards everyone.... the point is the Red Cross are total idiots if they feel the last part of that sentence strikes a chord with the British public where they say "for whatever reason" what like you mean Brits will welcome ANYONE who for "ANY" reason decides to just arrive here? when we have a million young people out of work and a chronic shortage of housing? Well that is it! i usually donate to the British Red Cross because i thought it was a charity i could help out... but now i will refuse to donate anything to this charity again! This country cannot take in any person from the world who meets the BRC criteria of welcoming people. housing them, supporting them finacially just because someone "for any reason" decides to come here.... so well done British Red Cross you have lost my donations![/p][/quote]I agree. He seems cute enough to get his story in the NS to punt his paintings, if he sells any I wonder if he'll declare the dosh and come off benefit? molsey
  • Score: 10

11:35am Sat 23 Nov 13

molsey says...

Sankey Steve wrote:
I see in todays Daily Mail it says 82% say NO to new infux from bulgaria & romania
85% say our schools & NHs CANNOT cope
76% say young BRitons are losing out on jobs and 1M of them are OUT of work
Says it all don't it?
[quote][p][bold]Sankey Steve[/bold] wrote: I see in todays Daily Mail it says 82% say NO to new infux from bulgaria & romania 85% say our schools & NHs CANNOT cope 76% say young BRitons are losing out on jobs and 1M of them are OUT of work[/p][/quote]Says it all don't it? molsey
  • Score: 10

11:59am Sat 23 Nov 13

molsey says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Gypo.Joe wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote: Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?
Fee fy fo fum I smell the stink of BNP.
I sit in the middle on this debate. As I've said before, I'm definitely no racist. I also have compassion and believe that helping people from war torn countries is right. However, do you not think that there has to be a cap on immigration? You give the impression that you believe there should be no limits. The problem is that we just can't cope with it as a country. There's just over 20 million people in Syria for example. Do we invite them all to leave their country and set up home here? Clearly from a compassionate perspective, that would be a great thing to do. However, our infrastructure could not cope. Therefore there has to be limits.
If it were to come to fruition, be sure that this government would think nothing of using greenbelt (whats left of it), to building more concrete jungles for them all to come over and reside in. That would truly be the end of this beautiful country that we once were so proud of.
Believe me, I used to have compassion for asylum seekers, but I just see them now using and 'extracting the urine' out of this country, milking for all its worth, even to the extent of making money then hopping off back home to war torn land to build their bloody great mansions and live out the rest of their lives there, while this country turns into a third world country itself.
I am sorry but as I have said before, there are truly other countries that could and should take a responsibility on asylum as much as the UK, in fact more so, as they have bigger countries than our little island and can well accommodate better.
All the time the general consensus among would be migrants/asylum seekers is our benefits and housing are better and easier to obtain than other countries, they will continue to keep coming here. Unfortunately Dave doesn't get it and neither did the previous lot.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Of course life in New Cross is better for him, then over will come the rest of his family and families and then we will be having to fork out more monies to feed the likes of these. Why should we have to be burdened will all and sundry?[/p][/quote]Fee fy fo fum I smell the stink of BNP.[/p][/quote]I sit in the middle on this debate. As I've said before, I'm definitely no racist. I also have compassion and believe that helping people from war torn countries is right. However, do you not think that there has to be a cap on immigration? You give the impression that you believe there should be no limits. The problem is that we just can't cope with it as a country. There's just over 20 million people in Syria for example. Do we invite them all to leave their country and set up home here? Clearly from a compassionate perspective, that would be a great thing to do. However, our infrastructure could not cope. Therefore there has to be limits.[/p][/quote]If it were to come to fruition, be sure that this government would think nothing of using greenbelt (whats left of it), to building more concrete jungles for them all to come over and reside in. That would truly be the end of this beautiful country that we once were so proud of. Believe me, I used to have compassion for asylum seekers, but I just see them now using and 'extracting the urine' out of this country, milking for all its worth, even to the extent of making money then hopping off back home to war torn land to build their bloody great mansions and live out the rest of their lives there, while this country turns into a third world country itself. I am sorry but as I have said before, there are truly other countries that could and should take a responsibility on asylum as much as the UK, in fact more so, as they have bigger countries than our little island and can well accommodate better.[/p][/quote]All the time the general consensus among would be migrants/asylum seekers is our benefits and housing are better and easier to obtain than other countries, they will continue to keep coming here. Unfortunately Dave doesn't get it and neither did the previous lot. molsey
  • Score: 13

12:11pm Sat 23 Nov 13

molsey says...

reasonable75 wrote:
I was walking along a High Street and passed a cab office. There was a notice in the window "Drivers wanted - must speak English"
So if someone cant speak English it must follow they cant read it, so the notice is a bit pointless.
[quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: I was walking along a High Street and passed a cab office. There was a notice in the window "Drivers wanted - must speak English"[/p][/quote]So if someone cant speak English it must follow they cant read it, so the notice is a bit pointless. molsey
  • Score: 20

5:29pm Sat 23 Nov 13

mouthalmighty says...

Where oh where does it say mr Abdallah receives benefits. And, apart from the rubbish that the media spills out, how do you know immigrants receive all thosebenefits and good housing. The majority tke the most run down homes available, because at least they have a roof over their heads.
If any of you objecters to immigration had to flee this country because peope were fedup with the hatred you try and spread, and burnt your houses down and threatened to kill you, where would you go? Would you be welcome? No. Probably not? Tolerance! And stop believing everything you read. Find out for yourselves
Where oh where does it say mr Abdallah receives benefits. And, apart from the rubbish that the media spills out, how do you know immigrants receive all thosebenefits and good housing. The majority tke the most run down homes available, because at least they have a roof over their heads. If any of you objecters to immigration had to flee this country because peope were fedup with the hatred you try and spread, and burnt your houses down and threatened to kill you, where would you go? Would you be welcome? No. Probably not? Tolerance! And stop believing everything you read. Find out for yourselves mouthalmighty
  • Score: -18

3:18pm Sun 24 Nov 13

sarfflondonbird says...

Smug look on face, arms folded, childish paintings. He needs to attend art classes really so ploy is to gain bigger house (for said artwork) so all the family can make way over here and bundle in for more benefits. No taxes to be paid on paintings sold because he is on benefits.. He knows he's going to get away with it, like all the rest of them. Time to shut the gates on these people.
Smug look on face, arms folded, childish paintings. He needs to attend art classes really so ploy is to gain bigger house (for said artwork) so all the family can make way over here and bundle in for more benefits. No taxes to be paid on paintings sold because he is on benefits.. He knows he's going to get away with it, like all the rest of them. Time to shut the gates on these people. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 14

7:05pm Sun 24 Nov 13

applause says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
Smug look on face, arms folded, childish paintings. He needs to attend art classes really so ploy is to gain bigger house (for said artwork) so all the family can make way over here and bundle in for more benefits. No taxes to be paid on paintings sold because he is on benefits.. He knows he's going to get away with it, like all the rest of them. Time to shut the gates on these people.
You sound like a n***y ill-informed trouble maker. You seem to like stirring up other like minded ill-informed tat.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: Smug look on face, arms folded, childish paintings. He needs to attend art classes really so ploy is to gain bigger house (for said artwork) so all the family can make way over here and bundle in for more benefits. No taxes to be paid on paintings sold because he is on benefits.. He knows he's going to get away with it, like all the rest of them. Time to shut the gates on these people.[/p][/quote]You sound like a n***y ill-informed trouble maker. You seem to like stirring up other like minded ill-informed tat. applause
  • Score: -10

11:46am Mon 25 Nov 13

the wall says...

mouthalmighty wrote:
Where oh where does it say mr Abdallah receives benefits. And, apart from the rubbish that the media spills out, how do you know immigrants receive all thosebenefits and good housing. The majority tke the most run down homes available, because at least they have a roof over their heads.
If any of you objecters to immigration had to flee this country because peope were fedup with the hatred you try and spread, and burnt your houses down and threatened to kill you, where would you go? Would you be welcome? No. Probably not? Tolerance! And stop believing everything you read. Find out for yourselves
Bleedin well said. But you can see the people on here with the ' I'm alright Jack, pull up the ladder' selfish attitude have give it the thumbs down.

Selfish people are always very decided as to what they wish. They do not waste their energies in considering the good of others.”
[quote][p][bold]mouthalmighty[/bold] wrote: Where oh where does it say mr Abdallah receives benefits. And, apart from the rubbish that the media spills out, how do you know immigrants receive all thosebenefits and good housing. The majority tke the most run down homes available, because at least they have a roof over their heads. If any of you objecters to immigration had to flee this country because peope were fedup with the hatred you try and spread, and burnt your houses down and threatened to kill you, where would you go? Would you be welcome? No. Probably not? Tolerance! And stop believing everything you read. Find out for yourselves[/p][/quote]Bleedin well said. But you can see the people on here with the ' I'm alright Jack, pull up the ladder' selfish attitude have give it the thumbs down. Selfish people are always very decided as to what they wish. They do not waste their energies in considering the good of others.” the wall
  • Score: -53

12:08pm Tue 26 Nov 13

getoveryourself says...

I can't believe the racist comments that get shoehorned in to every story by some people on this forum.

I hope that we never have a political crisis in the Country and for her sake sarfflondonbird has to flee because of her views. Hopefully no country will let her in to seek asylum as clearly she doesn't think anyone deserves it here, so why should you be allowed to flee to safety?

You need to take a long hard look at yourself and maybe have a little more compassion for people.
I can't believe the racist comments that get shoehorned in to every story by some people on this forum. I hope that we never have a political crisis in the Country and for her sake sarfflondonbird has to flee because of her views. Hopefully no country will let her in to seek asylum as clearly she doesn't think anyone deserves it here, so why should you be allowed to flee to safety? You need to take a long hard look at yourself and maybe have a little more compassion for people. getoveryourself
  • Score: -33

9:27am Wed 27 Nov 13

Indigenous Pensioner says...

HAs some one proved this gentleman was ill treated because any one can just say these thing with out it been prove n the genevier convention was for poeple who ne ed help did this vechile he was in stop any where for fuel because he would need to stretch his legs and use the t oilet so he would have been seen by other poeple and could have called for emer gency help from the police i t dose seem a bit of a tall story.Thank you.
HAs some one proved this gentleman was ill treated because any one can just say these thing with out it been prove n the genevier convention was for poeple who ne ed help did this vechile he was in stop any where for fuel because he would need to stretch his legs and use the t oilet so he would have been seen by other poeple and could have called for emer gency help from the police i t dose seem a bit of a tall story.Thank you. Indigenous Pensioner
  • Score: -17

9:58am Wed 27 Nov 13

rescoffering says...

Indigenous Pensioner wrote:
HAs some one proved this gentleman was ill treated because any one can just say these thing with out it been prove n the genevier convention was for poeple who ne ed help did this vechile he was in stop any where for fuel because he would need to stretch his legs and use the t oilet so he would have been seen by other poeple and could have called for emer gency help from the police i t dose seem a bit of a tall story.Thank you.
...indeed 'war-hero' ...nicely sussed-out by your good self yet again - sorry to see the arthritic fingers are causing problems once more - something in the post for you shortly... take care friend.
[quote][p][bold]Indigenous Pensioner[/bold] wrote: HAs some one proved this gentleman was ill treated because any one can just say these thing with out it been prove n the genevier convention was for poeple who ne ed help did this vechile he was in stop any where for fuel because he would need to stretch his legs and use the t oilet so he would have been seen by other poeple and could have called for emer gency help from the police i t dose seem a bit of a tall story.Thank you.[/p][/quote]...indeed 'war-hero' ...nicely sussed-out by your good self yet again - sorry to see the arthritic fingers are causing problems once more - something in the post for you shortly... take care friend. rescoffering
  • Score: -1

3:08pm Wed 27 Nov 13

sarfflondonbird says...

getoveryourself wrote:
I can't believe the racist comments that get shoehorned in to every story by some people on this forum.

I hope that we never have a political crisis in the Country and for her sake sarfflondonbird has to flee because of her views. Hopefully no country will let her in to seek asylum as clearly she doesn't think anyone deserves it here, so why should you be allowed to flee to safety?

You need to take a long hard look at yourself and maybe have a little more compassion for people.
Yes, do getoveryourself dear, I have no intention of leaving this wonderful country that is now becoming a cesspit daily, purely because I cannot afford to, seeing as I have to hand over much of my hard earned cash (not from lying on my back) to foreign causes such as overseas aid and overseas benefit scroungers to be looked after from overseas. I know I will suffer for my sins in a few years time, if I am not already but rest assured I will get by one way or another. If I were to seek asylum would you give it to the likes of me I doubt it, you are all in favour of giving our country and money away to foreign sources by the sound of things. As for compassion, that went out the window a while ago, after seeing our country being fleeced rotten and defrauded by the vast (not all, but enough to make me dislike and distrust all) majority of overseas tenants here, the backstabbing of governments past and present regarding immigration controls, and seeing other countries squander our given foreign aid, and still they all war on, and still they come to us for asylum, if only for the generous benefits to be had. Cant help my views no more than you can help yours.
[quote][p][bold]getoveryourself[/bold] wrote: I can't believe the racist comments that get shoehorned in to every story by some people on this forum. I hope that we never have a political crisis in the Country and for her sake sarfflondonbird has to flee because of her views. Hopefully no country will let her in to seek asylum as clearly she doesn't think anyone deserves it here, so why should you be allowed to flee to safety? You need to take a long hard look at yourself and maybe have a little more compassion for people.[/p][/quote]Yes, do getoveryourself dear, I have no intention of leaving this wonderful country that is now becoming a cesspit daily, purely because I cannot afford to, seeing as I have to hand over much of my hard earned cash (not from lying on my back) to foreign causes such as overseas aid and overseas benefit scroungers to be looked after from overseas. I know I will suffer for my sins in a few years time, if I am not already but rest assured I will get by one way or another. If I were to seek asylum would you give it to the likes of me I doubt it, you are all in favour of giving our country and money away to foreign sources by the sound of things. As for compassion, that went out the window a while ago, after seeing our country being fleeced rotten and defrauded by the vast (not all, but enough to make me dislike and distrust all) majority of overseas tenants here, the backstabbing of governments past and present regarding immigration controls, and seeing other countries squander our given foreign aid, and still they all war on, and still they come to us for asylum, if only for the generous benefits to be had. Cant help my views no more than you can help yours. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 16

5:20pm Wed 27 Nov 13

the wall says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
getoveryourself wrote:
I can't believe the racist comments that get shoehorned in to every story by some people on this forum.

I hope that we never have a political crisis in the Country and for her sake sarfflondonbird has to flee because of her views. Hopefully no country will let her in to seek asylum as clearly she doesn't think anyone deserves it here, so why should you be allowed to flee to safety?

You need to take a long hard look at yourself and maybe have a little more compassion for people.
Yes, do getoveryourself dear, I have no intention of leaving this wonderful country that is now becoming a cesspit daily, purely because I cannot afford to, seeing as I have to hand over much of my hard earned cash (not from lying on my back) to foreign causes such as overseas aid and overseas benefit scroungers to be looked after from overseas. I know I will suffer for my sins in a few years time, if I am not already but rest assured I will get by one way or another. If I were to seek asylum would you give it to the likes of me I doubt it, you are all in favour of giving our country and money away to foreign sources by the sound of things. As for compassion, that went out the window a while ago, after seeing our country being fleeced rotten and defrauded by the vast (not all, but enough to make me dislike and distrust all) majority of overseas tenants here, the backstabbing of governments past and present regarding immigration controls, and seeing other countries squander our given foreign aid, and still they all war on, and still they come to us for asylum, if only for the generous benefits to be had. Cant help my views no more than you can help yours.
Hate the game. not the players. Your view towards anyone that is not white is vile and intolerant.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getoveryourself[/bold] wrote: I can't believe the racist comments that get shoehorned in to every story by some people on this forum. I hope that we never have a political crisis in the Country and for her sake sarfflondonbird has to flee because of her views. Hopefully no country will let her in to seek asylum as clearly she doesn't think anyone deserves it here, so why should you be allowed to flee to safety? You need to take a long hard look at yourself and maybe have a little more compassion for people.[/p][/quote]Yes, do getoveryourself dear, I have no intention of leaving this wonderful country that is now becoming a cesspit daily, purely because I cannot afford to, seeing as I have to hand over much of my hard earned cash (not from lying on my back) to foreign causes such as overseas aid and overseas benefit scroungers to be looked after from overseas. I know I will suffer for my sins in a few years time, if I am not already but rest assured I will get by one way or another. If I were to seek asylum would you give it to the likes of me I doubt it, you are all in favour of giving our country and money away to foreign sources by the sound of things. As for compassion, that went out the window a while ago, after seeing our country being fleeced rotten and defrauded by the vast (not all, but enough to make me dislike and distrust all) majority of overseas tenants here, the backstabbing of governments past and present regarding immigration controls, and seeing other countries squander our given foreign aid, and still they all war on, and still they come to us for asylum, if only for the generous benefits to be had. Cant help my views no more than you can help yours.[/p][/quote]Hate the game. not the players. Your view towards anyone that is not white is vile and intolerant. the wall
  • Score: -85

5:41pm Wed 27 Nov 13

applause says...

rescoffering wrote:
Indigenous Pensioner wrote:
HAs some one proved this gentleman was ill treated because any one can just say these thing with out it been prove n the genevier convention was for poeple who ne ed help did this vechile he was in stop any where for fuel because he would need to stretch his legs and use the t oilet so he would have been seen by other poeple and could have called for emer gency help from the police i t dose seem a bit of a tall story.Thank you.
...indeed 'war-hero' ...nicely sussed-out by your good self yet again - sorry to see the arthritic fingers are causing problems once more - something in the post for you shortly... take care friend.
Yes I agree. Well thought out indegenous pensioner,there nowt wrong with your faculties. You sound like a very fair man.
[quote][p][bold]rescoffering[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Indigenous Pensioner[/bold] wrote: HAs some one proved this gentleman was ill treated because any one can just say these thing with out it been prove n the genevier convention was for poeple who ne ed help did this vechile he was in stop any where for fuel because he would need to stretch his legs and use the t oilet so he would have been seen by other poeple and could have called for emer gency help from the police i t dose seem a bit of a tall story.Thank you.[/p][/quote]...indeed 'war-hero' ...nicely sussed-out by your good self yet again - sorry to see the arthritic fingers are causing problems once more - something in the post for you shortly... take care friend.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree. Well thought out indegenous pensioner,there nowt wrong with your faculties. You sound like a very fair man. applause
  • Score: -11

10:19am Thu 28 Nov 13

Gypo.Joe says...

applause wrote:
rescoffering wrote:
Indigenous Pensioner wrote:
HAs some one proved this gentleman was ill treated because any one can just say these thing with out it been prove n the genevier convention was for poeple who ne ed help did this vechile he was in stop any where for fuel because he would need to stretch his legs and use the t oilet so he would have been seen by other poeple and could have called for emer gency help from the police i t dose seem a bit of a tall story.Thank you.
...indeed 'war-hero' ...nicely sussed-out by your good self yet again - sorry to see the arthritic fingers are causing problems once more - something in the post for you shortly... take care friend.
Yes I agree. Well thought out indegenous pensioner,there nowt wrong with your faculties. You sound like a very fair man.
Yawnnnnn
[quote][p][bold]applause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rescoffering[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Indigenous Pensioner[/bold] wrote: HAs some one proved this gentleman was ill treated because any one can just say these thing with out it been prove n the genevier convention was for poeple who ne ed help did this vechile he was in stop any where for fuel because he would need to stretch his legs and use the t oilet so he would have been seen by other poeple and could have called for emer gency help from the police i t dose seem a bit of a tall story.Thank you.[/p][/quote]...indeed 'war-hero' ...nicely sussed-out by your good self yet again - sorry to see the arthritic fingers are causing problems once more - something in the post for you shortly... take care friend.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree. Well thought out indegenous pensioner,there nowt wrong with your faculties. You sound like a very fair man.[/p][/quote]Yawnnnnn Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -17

1:00pm Thu 28 Nov 13

leefender says...

Seems anyone with a view diferent to the wall or gypo joe is a BNP sock puppet
Seems anyone with a view diferent to the wall or gypo joe is a BNP sock puppet leefender
  • Score: 44

3:32pm Thu 28 Nov 13

getoveryourself says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
getoveryourself wrote:
I can't believe the racist comments that get shoehorned in to every story by some people on this forum.

I hope that we never have a political crisis in the Country and for her sake sarfflondonbird has to flee because of her views. Hopefully no country will let her in to seek asylum as clearly she doesn't think anyone deserves it here, so why should you be allowed to flee to safety?

You need to take a long hard look at yourself and maybe have a little more compassion for people.
Yes, do getoveryourself dear, I have no intention of leaving this wonderful country that is now becoming a cesspit daily, purely because I cannot afford to, seeing as I have to hand over much of my hard earned cash (not from lying on my back) to foreign causes such as overseas aid and overseas benefit scroungers to be looked after from overseas. I know I will suffer for my sins in a few years time, if I am not already but rest assured I will get by one way or another. If I were to seek asylum would you give it to the likes of me I doubt it, you are all in favour of giving our country and money away to foreign sources by the sound of things. As for compassion, that went out the window a while ago, after seeing our country being fleeced rotten and defrauded by the vast (not all, but enough to make me dislike and distrust all) majority of overseas tenants here, the backstabbing of governments past and present regarding immigration controls, and seeing other countries squander our given foreign aid, and still they all war on, and still they come to us for asylum, if only for the generous benefits to be had. Cant help my views no more than you can help yours.
My god, I am flabbergasted. So no money to Syria, no money to the Philippines, no money to any Country that is suffering due to no fault of their own? I didn't think your spiteful comments could get any worse, but I was wrong. I am surprised that Newsshopper hasn't banned you for inciting racial hatred. Nor have any of the other 'local' papers whose forums you write on. I feel sorry for you and you tiny closed off mind. What sort of world do you live in when you spout so much hate all around you.

One day you may be forced to leave this Country through no fault of your own and god help you then should you need to go to another Country. Why should they help you and give you benefits, or grant you asylum?

Good luck to you and your bigoted and racist ways. The World can be a lonely place for someone with so much bile and hatred in their hearts.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getoveryourself[/bold] wrote: I can't believe the racist comments that get shoehorned in to every story by some people on this forum. I hope that we never have a political crisis in the Country and for her sake sarfflondonbird has to flee because of her views. Hopefully no country will let her in to seek asylum as clearly she doesn't think anyone deserves it here, so why should you be allowed to flee to safety? You need to take a long hard look at yourself and maybe have a little more compassion for people.[/p][/quote]Yes, do getoveryourself dear, I have no intention of leaving this wonderful country that is now becoming a cesspit daily, purely because I cannot afford to, seeing as I have to hand over much of my hard earned cash (not from lying on my back) to foreign causes such as overseas aid and overseas benefit scroungers to be looked after from overseas. I know I will suffer for my sins in a few years time, if I am not already but rest assured I will get by one way or another. If I were to seek asylum would you give it to the likes of me I doubt it, you are all in favour of giving our country and money away to foreign sources by the sound of things. As for compassion, that went out the window a while ago, after seeing our country being fleeced rotten and defrauded by the vast (not all, but enough to make me dislike and distrust all) majority of overseas tenants here, the backstabbing of governments past and present regarding immigration controls, and seeing other countries squander our given foreign aid, and still they all war on, and still they come to us for asylum, if only for the generous benefits to be had. Cant help my views no more than you can help yours.[/p][/quote]My god, I am flabbergasted. So no money to Syria, no money to the Philippines, no money to any Country that is suffering due to no fault of their own? I didn't think your spiteful comments could get any worse, but I was wrong. I am surprised that Newsshopper hasn't banned you for inciting racial hatred. Nor have any of the other 'local' papers whose forums you write on. I feel sorry for you and you tiny closed off mind. What sort of world do you live in when you spout so much hate all around you. One day you may be forced to leave this Country through no fault of your own and god help you then should you need to go to another Country. Why should they help you and give you benefits, or grant you asylum? Good luck to you and your bigoted and racist ways. The World can be a lonely place for someone with so much bile and hatred in their hearts. getoveryourself
  • Score: -40

9:55pm Fri 29 Nov 13

Gypo.Joe says...

leefender wrote:
Seems anyone with a view diferent to the wall or gypo joe is a BNP sock puppet
Bell ender.
[quote][p][bold]leefender[/bold] wrote: Seems anyone with a view diferent to the wall or gypo joe is a BNP sock puppet[/p][/quote]Bell ender. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -36

3:51pm Mon 2 Dec 13

getoveryourself says...

leefender wrote:
Seems anyone with a view diferent to the wall or gypo joe is a BNP sock puppet
It seems anyone that makes a racist comment gets the thumbs up and anyone that doesn't gets a thumbs down. The Newsshopper all over really.
[quote][p][bold]leefender[/bold] wrote: Seems anyone with a view diferent to the wall or gypo joe is a BNP sock puppet[/p][/quote]It seems anyone that makes a racist comment gets the thumbs up and anyone that doesn't gets a thumbs down. The Newsshopper all over really. getoveryourself
  • Score: -23

7:46pm Tue 3 Dec 13

EthicsGirl says...

"Hatred is an illness. It is not worth holding on to." http://www.theguardi
an.com/commentisfree
/2013/dec/01/i-escap
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"Hatred is an illness. It is not worth holding on to." http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /2013/dec/01/i-escap ed-hitler-germany-ki ndertransport-blesse d EthicsGirl
  • Score: -17

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