Bromley teenagers found guilty of 'shocking' Widmore Road assault

The victim of the assault was left with 'appalling' injuries and is still very upset. The victim of the assault was left with 'appalling' injuries and is still very upset.

TWO people from the Bromley borough have been found guilty of a “shocking and cowardly” attack on an elderly man.

Christopher Graney, aged 19, of Mayfair Close, Beckenham, and Samantha Fenton, aged 19, of Homefield Road, Bromley, were both convicted of assault occasioning actual bodily harm at Croydon Crown Court on Tuesday (March 12).

The 78-year-old victim is said to have burst into tears when he was told of the guilty verdict by police.

On October 15 last year police were called to Widmore Road, Bromley, at 12.05am.

When they arrived they found an elderly man with severe bruising to his face.

He was taken to a south London hospital where he stayed overnight.

The victim had been waiting for a bus when he saw a car travelling down Widmore Road at speed without any lights on.

He waved to attract the driver's attention, but the car suddenly braked sharply.

Graney and Fenton then jumped out of the vehicle, pushed the victim to the floor, before kicking and punching him as he lay on the ground.

They then jumped back in the vehicle and fled the scene, but were arrested a short while later at Fenton's home address.

Graney and Fenton denied the offence throughout the trial, but were convicted by an 11-1 majority by a jury.

Investigating officer Detective Constable Rosmarie Lee, from Bromley CID, said: "This was a shocking, unprovoked and cowardly attack on an elderly gentleman.

"The victim was left with appalling injuries and is still very upset - indeed he burst into tears when I told him that Graney and Fenton had been found guilty."

The pair will be sentenced on April 9 at Croydon Crown Court.

Graney will also be sentenced for another assault he committed in the early hours of August 27, 2011, when a 28-year-old man was attacked on the forecourt of the Total petrol station in Croydon Road, Beckenham, and was left requiring hospital treatment for a head wound.

Graney was remanded in custody pending sentencing, while Fenton has been released on bail.

Comments(60)

concerned.erith says...
9:43am Thu 14 Mar 13

I hope these disgusting vile pair get the full punishment they deserve. Some one warning them they had no lights on did not deserve this - they were obviously looking for trouble.

banjo8 says...
10:04am Thu 14 Mar 13

This is beyond belief, whatever makes people act like this. How can they live with themselves? They are disgusting, vile scum of the worst sort. They should be left to rot for what they've done.

Gypo.Joe says...
10:51am Thu 14 Mar 13

What I think of these two wonderful people has been deleted.


I wish them both the very very worst of everything in life, a p0x on them both.

( Is that OK Miss Red Pen, is that PC enough, xx ;) )

Slonik says...
11:10am Thu 14 Mar 13

Cowardly scum of the very worst type! Hope their victim recovers fully and doesn't let their actions ruin his life.

the wall says...
11:30am Thu 14 Mar 13

Christopher Graney - You sure got a pretty mouth boy. The bigger boys inside will like that.

Samantha Fenton - What are those spots about? Drug user are we? You look like a crack ho. Or you are not clearing your face properly after the last client had arrived on your face.

The sad thing is these two bags of maggot poo will probably do under a year. But I will not forget the names and faces, neither will lots of other people in the area.

Gypo.Joe says...
11:32am Thu 14 Mar 13

Well said Wall. Lots of scum around Beckers !! ;)

PaulErith says...
11:37am Thu 14 Mar 13

How long before their friends and family come on here saying how they're lovely people really, and that we don't know all the facts? It always happens. Basic fact is that these two are total scum and I hope that they both get what they deserve whilst inside.

smart & sassy says...
11:45am Thu 14 Mar 13

it is a real tragedy, the picture of this poor gentleman's face is a gruesome reminder of today's troubled society - how anybody could do this to another human being is beyond my comprehension. samantha, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself - you haven't had the best upbringing with a poor example set by your mother throughout most of your young life but let that be no excuse for this despicable behaviour. you are both old enough to know right from wrong and deserve for the full weight of the law to come down upon your shoulders. i hope you learn from this, one can but hope.......

smart & sassy says...
11:45am Thu 14 Mar 13

it is a real tragedy, the picture of this poor gentleman's face is a gruesome reminder of today's troubled society - how anybody could do this to another human being is beyond my comprehension. samantha, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself - you haven't had the best upbringing with a poor example set by your mother throughout most of your young life but let that be no excuse for this despicable behaviour. you are both old enough to know right from wrong and deserve for the full weight of the law to come down upon your shoulders. i hope you learn from this, one can but hope.......

Bubblesdodo says...
2:09pm Thu 14 Mar 13

You dirty pair of scumbags I hope you both get battered in that prison, it's people like you that make this country a **** place to live in! U should be ashamed of urself! If I ever saw you I wouldn't think twice about battering u

SamanthaXx says...
4:50pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Absolute scummy c.u.n.t.s I hope they get beat to a pulp.

Hope their families are proud of dragging such scum up into this world. Vile evil shitts.

The Fozziest of Bears says...
5:11pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Prison for both of them - where they will get what they deserve from the other scum in there.

Especially the pretty boy - the long sentence lads are going to love him!

As for the crack ho - welcome to Cell Block H !

jay2180 says...
7:31pm Thu 14 Mar 13

##NTS.

Oldchap says...
9:40pm Thu 14 Mar 13

Why refer to them as teenagers? Technically 19 is a teen, but surely they are adults

And I see Graney is to be sentenced for an assault a year earlier (August 2011) Perhaps if he'd be punished for that offence he wouldn't have been able to beat up this poor man

What a brave pair - 2 of them against a pensioner. I bet they're really proud of themselves

Marty1979 says...
10:39pm Thu 14 Mar 13

smart & sassy wrote:
it is a real tragedy, the picture of this poor gentleman's face is a gruesome reminder of today's troubled society - how anybody could do this to another human being is beyond my comprehension. samantha, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself - you haven't had the best upbringing with a poor example set by your mother throughout most of your young life but let that be no excuse for this despicable behaviour. you are both old enough to know right from wrong and deserve for the full weight of the law to come down upon your shoulders. i hope you learn from this, one can but hope.......
So she had a troubled childhood? At least your not trying to excuse her actions

And what's Graneys excuse

ihateyoucertainpeople says...
2:11am Fri 15 Mar 13

I know these 2 dirty little C****, I don't see why the hell you would hit an innocent man who is trying to help you, and for whoever said about family is right, the mother is an alcoholic, and is abusive,
I hope... Infact I prey that something pretty dam bad comes and hits you in the face, because that's what karma does and trust me its going to be a **** to you 2,
I know, infact we all know that they aint going to give u a lengthy prison sentence, but hold me to these words people like ME WILL make YOUR life hell when you do come out

ihateyoucertainpeople says...
2:13am Fri 15 Mar 13

oo and by the way, ur mum being the way she is does not give u an excuse to inflict your anger on other people

dcscawtcarf says...
8:18am Fri 15 Mar 13

This Is a very bad sight, I don't know why anyone will so something like this. I'm sure who ever done this do regret it and are living in hell. Everyone makes mistakes, you see all them Paedophiles and Murder's that noone comments about. If you search for it properly it says 'the jury found then 'guilty'. so that means there was no evidence people wouldn't go not guilty and go through all of that for no reason.. So how do you know that these people might be innocent. I'm not saying they are innocent but you never know. The jury nower days go by the looks of people.

About the 'mother' there is no need to write about her and bring her into this. This has nothing at all todo with her. People do get brought up bight and beautiful but they still are violant and idiots. Don't write about people that isn't involved in this. Yes they are wrong but if they did do this they will get what they Deserve and will be punished. Also there is no need to make threats. They will get what their given and will do there time. I am not sticking up for them at all, I think its discusting. Its just human rights and true.

banjo8 says...
8:54am Fri 15 Mar 13

dcscawtcarf wrote:
This Is a very bad sight, I don't know why anyone will so something like this. I'm sure who ever done this do regret it and are living in hell. Everyone makes mistakes, you see all them Paedophiles and Murder's that noone comments about. If you search for it properly it says 'the jury found then 'guilty'. so that means there was no evidence people wouldn't go not guilty and go through all of that for no reason.. So how do you know that these people might be innocent. I'm not saying they are innocent but you never know. The jury nower days go by the looks of people. About the 'mother' there is no need to write about her and bring her into this. This has nothing at all todo with her. People do get brought up bight and beautiful but they still are violant and idiots. Don't write about people that isn't involved in this. Yes they are wrong but if they did do this they will get what they Deserve and will be punished. Also there is no need to make threats. They will get what their given and will do there time. I am not sticking up for them at all, I think its discusting. Its just human rights and true.
What a naive thing to say. Of course it's got everything to do with the mother and the, no doubt, absent father. Parenting, or a complete lack of it, is exactly where this behaviour starts. The cr*p parenting is not an excuse, but it is part of the reason. I wish we had corporal and capital punishemnt in this country as it's the only way to deal with scum like this. And before anyone asks, yes I would be perfectly prepared to carry it out myself on lowlifes like this.

Gypo.Joe says...
9:32am Fri 15 Mar 13

Never mind Corporal Punishment what these two scum bags need is a good dose of Brigadier B uggery with the rough end of a pineapple.

Locked an Loaded says...
9:52am Fri 15 Mar 13

Gypo.Joe wrote:
Never mind Corporal Punishment what these two scum bags need is a good dose of Brigadier B uggery with the rough end of a pineapple.
Sounds like that muppet erestas piggott is alive and well the sheet cant lol :)

smart & sassy says...
10:03am Fri 15 Mar 13

Marty1979 wrote:
smart & sassy wrote: it is a real tragedy, the picture of this poor gentleman's face is a gruesome reminder of today's troubled society - how anybody could do this to another human being is beyond my comprehension. samantha, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself - you haven't had the best upbringing with a poor example set by your mother throughout most of your young life but let that be no excuse for this despicable behaviour. you are both old enough to know right from wrong and deserve for the full weight of the law to come down upon your shoulders. i hope you learn from this, one can but hope.......
So she had a troubled childhood? At least your not trying to excuse her actions And what's Graneys excuse
there is no excuse for her actions - my point was that the lack of good parenting she experienced is no excuse to justify this sickening violence..... and was intended to be made before her "friends" and "family" came on here in an attempt to justify this brutal behaviour. as for the boy, my point is the same - there is no excuse, never can be, never will be. justifying behaviour like this is where the problem lies, it attempts to lessen the crime, the actions and the consequences.

coldoutside says...
11:20am Fri 15 Mar 13

banjo8 wrote:
dcscawtcarf wrote:
This Is a very bad sight, I don't know why anyone will so something like this. I'm sure who ever done this do regret it and are living in hell. Everyone makes mistakes, you see all them Paedophiles and Murder's that noone comments about. If you search for it properly it says 'the jury found then 'guilty'. so that means there was no evidence people wouldn't go not guilty and go through all of that for no reason.. So how do you know that these people might be innocent. I'm not saying they are innocent but you never know. The jury nower days go by the looks of people. About the 'mother' there is no need to write about her and bring her into this. This has nothing at all todo with her. People do get brought up bight and beautiful but they still are violant and idiots. Don't write about people that isn't involved in this. Yes they are wrong but if they did do this they will get what they Deserve and will be punished. Also there is no need to make threats. They will get what their given and will do there time. I am not sticking up for them at all, I think its discusting. Its just human rights and true.
What a naive thing to say. Of course it's got everything to do with the mother and the, no doubt, absent father. Parenting, or a complete lack of it, is exactly where this behaviour starts. The cr*p parenting is not an excuse, but it is part of the reason. I wish we had corporal and capital punishemnt in this country as it's the only way to deal with scum like this. And before anyone asks, yes I would be perfectly prepared to carry it out myself on lowlifes like this.
her dad died, so stop bringing family into it. Shes done wrong and she will get exactly what she deserves. no sympathy for her

kentlad says...
12:12pm Fri 15 Mar 13

Hope you two scum bags are good at hiding because everyone knows what you look like now and what you did to this poor old man and i think everyone will agree you arent welcome in our society!!!!!

Rot in jail low lives!!!!

Marty1979 says...
2:32pm Fri 15 Mar 13

dcscawtcarf wrote:
This Is a very bad sight, I don't know why anyone will so something like this. I'm sure who ever done this do regret it and are living in hell. Everyone makes mistakes, you see all them Paedophiles and Murder's that noone comments about. If you search for it properly it says 'the jury found then 'guilty'. so that means there was no evidence people wouldn't go not guilty and go through all of that for no reason.. So how do you know that these people might be innocent. I'm not saying they are innocent but you never know. The jury nower days go by the looks of people.

About the 'mother' there is no need to write about her and bring her into this. This has nothing at all todo with her. People do get brought up bight and beautiful but they still are violant and idiots. Don't write about people that isn't involved in this. Yes they are wrong but if they did do this they will get what they Deserve and will be punished. Also there is no need to make threats. They will get what their given and will do there time. I am not sticking up for them at all, I think its discusting. Its just human rights and true.
Can you try using the spell & grammar checker that comes with most PCs

the wall says...
2:53pm Fri 15 Mar 13

Marty1979 wrote:
dcscawtcarf wrote:
This Is a very bad sight, I don't know why anyone will so something like this. I'm sure who ever done this do regret it and are living in hell. Everyone makes mistakes, you see all them Paedophiles and Murder's that noone comments about. If you search for it properly it says 'the jury found then 'guilty'. so that means there was no evidence people wouldn't go not guilty and go through all of that for no reason.. So how do you know that these people might be innocent. I'm not saying they are innocent but you never know. The jury nower days go by the looks of people.

About the 'mother' there is no need to write about her and bring her into this. This has nothing at all todo with her. People do get brought up bight and beautiful but they still are violant and idiots. Don't write about people that isn't involved in this. Yes they are wrong but if they did do this they will get what they Deserve and will be punished. Also there is no need to make threats. They will get what their given and will do there time. I am not sticking up for them at all, I think its discusting. Its just human rights and true.
Can you try using the spell & grammar checker that comes with most PCs
Too right!

A few weeks back some posted on here had a go at me saying something like that.

jaylatina666 says...
3:23pm Fri 15 Mar 13

This has actually broken my heart, made me cry to think that this poor lovely old man was trying to do good by letting a driver know that he was driving with no lights on, so instead of thanking him, what do the *******do?? They get out of the car & beat the crap out of him frighten him half to death & scar him for the rest of his, probably now, very short life!!! Do these ******* ( No word can describe them sorry!!!) not have a grandad? What would they do if a member of their family were subject to such a violent unprovoked attack???? We all know the answer to that one because violence is the only way they know! KARMA!!! Enough said!!!!!

the wall says...
3:24pm Fri 15 Mar 13

that should read 'posters'

Where are all those people now?

banjo8 says...
3:42pm Fri 15 Mar 13

You say keep the family out of it but that's ridiculous. Don't you realise that it is precisely because of the breakdown fo family units that horrifying acts like this are on the increase? Mind you, the sooner this particular family line dies out the better - at least if they're inside they won't be reproducing.

smart & sassy says...
4:19pm Fri 15 Mar 13

banjo8 wrote:
You say keep the family out of it but that's ridiculous. Don't you realise that it is precisely because of the breakdown fo family units that horrifying acts like this are on the increase? Mind you, the sooner this particular family line dies out the better - at least if they're inside they won't be reproducing.
LIKE!

Morals should be taught by families and at school - it seems that more and more youngsters are growing up without an education from either

franksutton says...
5:34pm Fri 15 Mar 13

coldoutside wrote:
banjo8 wrote:
dcscawtcarf wrote: This Is a very bad sight, I don't know why anyone will so something like this. I'm sure who ever done this do regret it and are living in hell. Everyone makes mistakes, you see all them Paedophiles and Murder's that noone comments about. If you search for it properly it says 'the jury found then 'guilty'. so that means there was no evidence people wouldn't go not guilty and go through all of that for no reason.. So how do you know that these people might be innocent. I'm not saying they are innocent but you never know. The jury nower days go by the looks of people. About the 'mother' there is no need to write about her and bring her into this. This has nothing at all todo with her. People do get brought up bight and beautiful but they still are violant and idiots. Don't write about people that isn't involved in this. Yes they are wrong but if they did do this they will get what they Deserve and will be punished. Also there is no need to make threats. They will get what their given and will do there time. I am not sticking up for them at all, I think its discusting. Its just human rights and true.
What a naive thing to say. Of course it's got everything to do with the mother and the, no doubt, absent father. Parenting, or a complete lack of it, is exactly where this behaviour starts. The cr*p parenting is not an excuse, but it is part of the reason. I wish we had corporal and capital punishemnt in this country as it's the only way to deal with scum like this. And before anyone asks, yes I would be perfectly prepared to carry it out myself on lowlifes like this.
her dad died, so stop bringing family into it. Shes done wrong and she will get exactly what she deserves. no sympathy for her
You say stop bringing family into it

But it was smart & sassy (presumably who knows her/the mother) who first mentioned the family problems "you haven't had the best upbringing with a poor example set by your mother throughout most of your young life"

franksutton says...
5:37pm Fri 15 Mar 13

dcscawtcarf wrote:
This Is a very bad sight, I don't know why anyone will so something like this. I'm sure who ever done this do regret it and are living in hell. Everyone makes mistakes, you see all them Paedophiles and Murder's that noone comments about. If you search for it properly it says 'the jury found then 'guilty'. so that means there was no evidence people wouldn't go not guilty and go through all of that for no reason.. So how do you know that these people might be innocent. I'm not saying they are innocent but you never know. The jury nower days go by the looks of people. About the 'mother' there is no need to write about her and bring her into this. This has nothing at all todo with her. People do get brought up bight and beautiful but they still are violant and idiots. Don't write about people that isn't involved in this. Yes they are wrong but if they did do this they will get what they Deserve and will be punished. Also there is no need to make threats. They will get what their given and will do there time. I am not sticking up for them at all, I think its discusting. Its just human rights and true.
If you search for it properly it says 'the jury found then 'guilty'. so that means there was no evidence people wouldn't go not guilty and go through all of that for no reason.. So how do you know that these people might be innocent. I'm not saying they are innocent but you never know. The jury nower days go by the looks of people.

What exactly do you mean - are you suggesting there was no evidence of guilt, if so how did the case even get to trial?

Perhaps if you could write in English it might be easier to understand

Marty1979 says...
6:20pm Fri 15 Mar 13

Perhaps he's suggesting they were "fitted up"?

smart & sassy says...
6:52pm Fri 15 Mar 13

They were placed at the scene by witnesses shortly after the incident. And when police arrested them shortly after the incident, they said they hadn't been out in the car all night... But the engine was still warm. I don't believe they were "fitted up"
We have a jury system for a reason, 11 out of 12 people didn't believe their story in line with the evidence presented.

franksutton says...
7:45pm Fri 15 Mar 13

Don't want to make this run off the page, so won't quote!

dcscawtcarf says "there was no evidence people wouldn't go not guilty and go through all of that for no reason"

Obviously there was evidence otherwise the jury would not have found them guilty

Is dcscawtcarf really that naive? People plead not guilty as they hope their counsel (provided by legal aid) can somehow convince the coury that he has a better case than the prosecution's

"Everyone makes mistakes". This was hardly a mistake! They were driving and made a concious decision to stop, get out of the car, seriously assault an old man who's only "crime" was to try to help by pointing out they had no lights on, then they got back in the car and drove off.

Mistake - no way

Oldchap says...
8:08pm Fri 15 Mar 13

smart & sassy wrote:
They were placed at the scene by witnesses shortly after the incident. And when police arrested them shortly after the incident, they said they hadn't been out in the car all night... But the engine was still warm. I don't believe they were "fitted up"
We have a jury system for a reason, 11 out of 12 people didn't believe their story in line with the evidence presented.
I'm only surprised we haven't had more of their friends claiming they are innocent

Other than witnesses (did they lie?) the claim that they hadn't been out was disproved (or perhaps someone had stolen the car then thoughtfully returned it)

And the jury would have been clearly advised by the judge on "reasonable doubt". The verdict shows that 11 people had no doubt of their guilt

Oldchap says...
8:47pm Fri 15 Mar 13

And there are some very apt comments on

http://www.hellbeast
s.com/?p=3786

Especially


Christopher Graney looks like a gormless dork with that Mormon haircut of his. Samantha Fenton with her unfortunate meth-addict complexion looks like a major dorkalopapuss.

Lovemykids:) says...
2:54pm Sat 16 Mar 13

smart & sassy wrote:
banjo8 wrote: You say keep the family out of it but that's ridiculous. Don't you realise that it is precisely because of the breakdown fo family units that horrifying acts like this are on the increase? Mind you, the sooner this particular family line dies out the better - at least if they're inside they won't be reproducing.
LIKE! Morals should be taught by families and at school - it seems that more and more youngsters are growing up without an education from either
Banjo..... For your information it's was not a broken family unit her mum and dad have been together since day one they only split up when he dad does at the age of 40 from cancer!
What these to have done is disgusting and they should be punished for what they did to the poor old man! But it was them that done it not there mum or dad or any other family members why should family members suffer because of what they have done

Lovemykids:) says...
2:58pm Sat 16 Mar 13

Marty1979 wrote:
smart & sassy wrote: it is a real tragedy, the picture of this poor gentleman's face is a gruesome reminder of today's troubled society - how anybody could do this to another human being is beyond my comprehension. samantha, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself - you haven't had the best upbringing with a poor example set by your mother throughout most of your young life but let that be no excuse for this despicable behaviour. you are both old enough to know right from wrong and deserve for the full weight of the law to come down upon your shoulders. i hope you learn from this, one can but hope.......
So she had a troubled childhood? At least your not trying to excuse her actions And what's Graneys excuse
Smart app
I don't know who you are but you shouldn't say things that are not true sans upbringing was fine until her dad does when she was 14 years old so what are you talking about a bad young life

udoitudotime says...
6:57pm Sat 16 Mar 13

This was a cold blooded random attack. Hope they get whats due to them. It's nothing to do with how they've been dragged up this attack is down to booze or drugs or both. Hope the sentencing jugde makes huge example of them!!!!!!!!


'

Oldchap says...
7:12pm Sat 16 Mar 13

Lovemykids:) wrote:
Marty1979 wrote:
smart & sassy wrote: it is a real tragedy, the picture of this poor gentleman's face is a gruesome reminder of today's troubled society - how anybody could do this to another human being is beyond my comprehension. samantha, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself - you haven't had the best upbringing with a poor example set by your mother throughout most of your young life but let that be no excuse for this despicable behaviour. you are both old enough to know right from wrong and deserve for the full weight of the law to come down upon your shoulders. i hope you learn from this, one can but hope.......
So she had a troubled childhood? At least your not trying to excuse her actions And what's Graneys excuse
Smart app
I don't know who you are but you shouldn't say things that are not true sans upbringing was fine until her dad does when she was 14 years old so what are you talking about a bad young life
Who's smart app?

Her dad does???? Does what?

Lovemykids:) says...
8:56pm Sat 16 Mar 13

Oldchap wrote:
Lovemykids:) wrote:
Marty1979 wrote:
smart & sassy wrote: it is a real tragedy, the picture of this poor gentleman's face is a gruesome reminder of today's troubled society - how anybody could do this to another human being is beyond my comprehension. samantha, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself - you haven't had the best upbringing with a poor example set by your mother throughout most of your young life but let that be no excuse for this despicable behaviour. you are both old enough to know right from wrong and deserve for the full weight of the law to come down upon your shoulders. i hope you learn from this, one can but hope.......
So she had a troubled childhood? At least your not trying to excuse her actions And what's Graneys excuse
Smart app I don't know who you are but you shouldn't say things that are not true sans upbringing was fine until her dad does when she was 14 years old so what are you talking about a bad young life
Who's smart app? Her dad does???? Does what?
Sorry Was ment to say died not does

smart & sassy says...
3:01pm Sun 17 Mar 13

I suppose it depends on your definition of fine! It definitely wasn't a fine upbringing in my book. And 'lovemykids', I don't know where you get your info from as it very definitely was a broken family. Her mum married another man who wasn't Samantha's dad whilst she was still young and that partnership broke up in a midst of violence, tears and tantrums. Still stands by my original comment though, none of this background can justify their despicable behaviour and I hope they are severely punished for what they have done.

Peony says...
3:45pm Sun 17 Mar 13

This poor old gentleman must have been absolutely terrified when these two 'charmers' were beating him. It is hard to imagine how he must be feeling now, and if he will ever get over it.

These two should be given the same beating that they inflicted on this innocent man, only then can they begin to understand what he must have gone through. Perhaps 'an eye for an eye' is the only punishment these retrobates would understand.
If they go to prison (do not hold your breath) they will have three good meals, television, activities and probably some kind counsellor to talk to. However if they were put into some Castlebeck type care facility to mend their challenging behaviour they might come out regretting what they did. The new thinking is that prisoners would be punished more if they were residents in a care home and the frail, elderly and vulnerable people would be better looked after in prison where the care is much better.

banjo8 says...
5:27pm Sun 17 Mar 13

I don't care what anyone says, the reason these two have acted in this way is as a direct result of their upbringing.
And the solution would be equally straightforward - a lethal injection for both.

udoitudotime says...
7:07pm Sun 17 Mar 13

Hopefully the jugde will chuck the book at them!!!! It needs to be done for once to show that law abiding citizens can feel that justice has been done....... And to the jugde please don't run his sentences concurrently state they run consecutively so he does time for each offense......

Oldchap says...
6:57pm Mon 18 Mar 13

Maybe they'll get a custodial sentence, but I expect more likely community service

After their barrister (paid for by legal aid) claims it wasn't their fault, broken homes etc etc

pamela8 says...
9:36pm Mon 18 Mar 13

oh God, please don,t tell me these nasty violent wasters have kids...I hope not,imagine having such disgusting parents...I hope the poor man that obviously is a law abiding man recovers in his own time and does,nt let what those ugly pigs did ruin his life..They are not worth it,in fact they are worth nothing.

banjo8 says...
3:19pm Tue 19 Mar 13

Nothing is exactly what they are worth. As for offspring, this is a perfect example of where enforced sterilisation would be a preferable option.

reasonable75 says...
4:09pm Tue 19 Mar 13

I just hope NS will update once they've been sentenced (to a few weeks in a 5 star holiday resort?)

banjo8 says...
5:39pm Tue 19 Mar 13

They should update this and give details of where they are sent. At the very least these two deserve a 'special' welcome at whatever establishment they are sent to.

Marty1979 says...
7:34pm Tue 19 Mar 13

If (and a very big IF) they actually get a custodial sentence would it actually be in a proper prison or a young offenders institute?

banjo8 says...
10:02pm Tue 19 Mar 13

Surely they must get a custodial sentence? - what other punishment could possibly be appropriate? And if they're over 18 why would they be sent to a young offenders unit?

Marty1979 says...
6:56am Wed 20 Mar 13

banjo8 wrote:
Nothing is exactly what they are worth. As for offspring, this is a perfect example of where enforced sterilisation would be a preferable option.
Actually for him perhaps castration - with a blunt knife and no anaesthetic

banjo8 says...
8:47am Wed 20 Mar 13

Sadly I suspect they will never actually get what they deserve. They deserve to be destroyed (wiped out if you will) in much the same way you would deal with other germs that threaten to infect a decent environment.

pamela8 says...
12:55am Thu 21 Mar 13

I honestly wish that all evil types like these two nasty violent gits ,all rapists .all abusers.all murderers..terrorist
s,,just died in their sleep...its for the best..

banjo8 says...
9:12am Thu 21 Mar 13

Unfortunately it's not that easy and the rest of us right-thinking members of society must take responsibility for dealing with such complete dropkicks.
We have to be prepared to administer something which makes sure they die in their sleep. Until we, as a society, take some difficult decisions this sort of behaviour will increase.

Marty1979 says...
10:01pm Sat 23 Mar 13

The death penalty was abolished years ago, and would not have applied here

But I wish that prison wasn't such a holiday hotel

There was a recent case where the judge refused to jail someone saying it was an easier sentence than community service

HughJ58 says...
8:30am Tue 9 Apr 13

I know all about Samantha and her family issues. I don't know the boy (can't call him a man). Nothing can excuse this sickening violence. When I heard about this incident I was truly shocked and did not think that Samantha would be capable of such an act, so I have doubts about the level of her involvement. I have not heard the evidence. However, both have been convicted and sentencing is today. A lengthy custodial sentence would be appropriate.

smart & sassy says...
9:53am Tue 9 Apr 13

I concur HughJ58

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