South London Healthcare Trust administrator Matthew Kershaw recommends trust dissolution and Lewisham Hospital A&E closure

DISSOLUTION of the South London Healthcare NHS Trust and the closure of Lewisham Hospital A&E are two of six recommendations published in a draft report this morning.

Matthew Kershaw was appointed to run the debt-ridden trust after it was plunged into administration in July having ended 2011 with a deficit of £69m.

And today he has recommended the trust is dissolved and other organisations should take over the management and delivery of the NHS services it provides.

He also recommends the Department of Health provides additional funds to the local NHS to cover the excess costs of the private finance initiative buildings at Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Woolwich, and the Princess Royal University Hospital, Farnborough.

A public consultation exercise is now set to take place, starting on Friday (November 2).

The full report is available for download here.

Mr Kershaw recommended:

- Improving "operational efficiency" of trust sites, including cutting the workforce.

- Developing Queen Mary's Hospital into a Bexley Health Campus, providing day case elective surgery, endoscopy and radiotherapy. It would be owned by Oxleas NHS Trust. Dartford and Gravesham NHS Trust would provide case elective surgery on an interim basis.

- Selling off "vacant and poorly utilised premises" around the Queen Mary's site and Bromley estate.

- A £20m to £25m annual payment from the Department for Health to cover the costly PFI costs which funded Queen Elizabeth Hospital and the Pru.

- Closing Lewisham Hospital A&E department with emergency care for south east London provided by King's College Hospital, St Thomas's, Queen Elizabeth and the Pru.

- Either shutting Lewisham Hospital's maternity unit or making it a standalone obstetric-led delivery facility.

- Making Lewisham Hospital an elective centre for non-complex inpatient procedures like hip and knee replacements.

- The sale of Orpington Hospital and Beckenham Beacon.

- Write-off of trust PFI debts - said to make up one-third of the overall deficit.

Organisational changes

As part of Mr Kershaw's recommendations the trust would be broken up with other organisations taking over its services.

- Queen Elizabeth and Lewisham would merge to create a new organisation.

- The Pru could be acquired by King's College Hospital NHS Foundation Trust. An alternative would see a procurement process allowing any NHS  or private sector provider to bid for its services.

 

 

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2:07pm Mon 29 Oct 12

tumblesocs says...

How stupid and dangerous is closing A&E at lewisham hospital,they are building thousands of new homes around the area,so with thousands more people they think its a great idea to close an emergency dept,and let everyone travel miles to the next one. blood on your hands i think .
How stupid and dangerous is closing A&E at lewisham hospital,they are building thousands of new homes around the area,so with thousands more people they think its a great idea to close an emergency dept,and let everyone travel miles to the next one. blood on your hands i think . tumblesocs

2:14pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Margaret Smith says...

This is all due to the last Labour Government that instead of Borrowing cheap money to fund Schools and Hospitals, Launched the biggest policy open to abuse in modern times the PFI policy that allowed big business to borrow cheap money to build schools and Hospitals with a clause that the Government would pay the rent and service charges up to 50 years, Leading to Closure of this Trust and other Hospitals and schools across the UK, expecting the same.AS PFI, rips of the Tax payer and puts us all further in debt to service the profits of these big business Concerns who were in bed big time with the last Labour Government. Thank God in Lewisham we have People before Profit to vote for. Who would never allow Business interests and profit to be put before the interests of local people.
This is all due to the last Labour Government that instead of Borrowing cheap money to fund Schools and Hospitals, Launched the biggest policy open to abuse in modern times the PFI policy that allowed big business to borrow cheap money to build schools and Hospitals with a clause that the Government would pay the rent and service charges up to 50 years, Leading to Closure of this Trust and other Hospitals and schools across the UK, expecting the same.AS PFI, rips of the Tax payer and puts us all further in debt to service the profits of these big business Concerns who were in bed big time with the last Labour Government. Thank God in Lewisham we have People before Profit to vote for. Who would never allow Business interests and profit to be put before the interests of local people. Margaret Smith

3:07pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Slonik says...

The irony is that on the sites of the hospitals they close they build houses for yet more people who sooner or later need hospitals...

Massive amounts of money have and will conitinue to be wasted as a result of a PFI fest embarked upon by the last "government" in typical spend now, pay later style. The key, of course, was to keep the spending off the books so it didn't appear as Govt. debt and Brown could continue to tell us all how prudent he was lol. Well, those of us who didn't already know it, are finding out that their votes were 'bought' and this huge mess is the price of their naivety.
The irony is that on the sites of the hospitals they close they build houses for yet more people who sooner or later need hospitals... Massive amounts of money have and will conitinue to be wasted as a result of a PFI fest embarked upon by the last "government" in typical spend now, pay later style. The key, of course, was to keep the spending off the books so it didn't appear as Govt. debt and Brown could continue to tell us all how prudent he was lol. Well, those of us who didn't already know it, are finding out that their votes were 'bought' and this huge mess is the price of their naivety. Slonik

4:13pm Mon 29 Oct 12

tumblesocs says...

where have the comments gone ?
where have the comments gone ? tumblesocs

4:21pm Mon 29 Oct 12

goldenbroomboy says...

Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands.
Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands. goldenbroomboy

4:29pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Womblingbarnacle says...

All political parties are at fault for this.

Labour forced PFI on hospitals, which left them with a 30 year high interest mortgages which they couldn't afford. PFI is where a private company builds and maintains for 30 years a hospital and the trust pays them at a very high cost for repayments transferring money from patient care. This was supported by the tories, and now the lib dems in power.

Allowing a 30% plus population increase in 10 years through immigration and higher birth rates (though maternity units now closing!) has also added much pressure which cannot be afforded and wasn't contemplated by politicians and statisticians. Well done Labour.
All political parties are at fault for this. Labour forced PFI on hospitals, which left them with a 30 year high interest mortgages which they couldn't afford. PFI is where a private company builds and maintains for 30 years a hospital and the trust pays them at a very high cost for repayments transferring money from patient care. This was supported by the tories, and now the lib dems in power. Allowing a 30% plus population increase in 10 years through immigration and higher birth rates (though maternity units now closing!) has also added much pressure which cannot be afforded and wasn't contemplated by politicians and statisticians. Well done Labour. Womblingbarnacle

4:32pm Mon 29 Oct 12

mouthalmighty says...

Why dosent the government organise a huge cull of all humans In the area. I'd rather die like that, than die trying to get medical help. It's all those moaning ninnies that have caused this. Sueing for this and that. There's no money left for the really sick people. I hope you are proud of yourselves and ya compensation. You make me sick.
Why dosent the government organise a huge cull of all humans In the area. I'd rather die like that, than die trying to get medical help. It's all those moaning ninnies that have caused this. Sueing for this and that. There's no money left for the really sick people. I hope you are proud of yourselves and ya compensation. You make me sick. mouthalmighty

4:44pm Mon 29 Oct 12

shergars ghost says...

I wasn't 'plunged into administration', it was deliberately guided into administration by Streater after he closed essential services at Queen Marys' Hospital leaving a highly residential London Borough without an essential A&E or Maternity Unit.
Marvellous that the NHS can find £30M in promoting the Liverpool Care Pathway, yet cannot maintain essential services for the local community - how disgusting...!!!
I wasn't 'plunged into administration', it was deliberately guided into administration by Streater after he closed essential services at Queen Marys' Hospital leaving a highly residential London Borough without an essential A&E or Maternity Unit. Marvellous that the NHS can find £30M in promoting the Liverpool Care Pathway, yet cannot maintain essential services for the local community - how disgusting...!!! shergars ghost

5:47pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Jmac49 says...

tumblesocs wrote:
How stupid and dangerous is closing A&E at lewisham hospital,they are building thousands of new homes around the area,so with thousands more people they think its a great idea to close an emergency dept,and let everyone travel miles to the next one. blood on your hands i think .
The PFI idea was a Conservative idea created under the Major government!
[quote][p][bold]tumblesocs[/bold] wrote: How stupid and dangerous is closing A&E at lewisham hospital,they are building thousands of new homes around the area,so with thousands more people they think its a great idea to close an emergency dept,and let everyone travel miles to the next one. blood on your hands i think .[/p][/quote]The PFI idea was a Conservative idea created under the Major government! Jmac49

6:49pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Notpolitical says...

Why does everybody get political? The cons did nothing whilst in opposition same as labour.
This is about people!
Why should Lewisham lose its A&E dept they have nothing to do with the shameful debacle known as south London healthcare, in fact Lewisham decided to withdraw from the group at its inception.
They spent millions on the A&E dept just a few months ago and it is a testament to Lewisham, as is the children's A&E dept and maternity services.
Shame,shame,shame on Mr Kershaw for thinking its ok to deprive Lewisham residents of its A&E to balance the books in the more affluent Bromley borough!
I hope all of you will support your hospital when the consultation process begins,
Start writing to your MP now to tell them what a disgrace this is
Why does everybody get political? The cons did nothing whilst in opposition same as labour. This is about people! Why should Lewisham lose its A&E dept they have nothing to do with the shameful debacle known as south London healthcare, in fact Lewisham decided to withdraw from the group at its inception. They spent millions on the A&E dept just a few months ago and it is a testament to Lewisham, as is the children's A&E dept and maternity services. Shame,shame,shame on Mr Kershaw for thinking its ok to deprive Lewisham residents of its A&E to balance the books in the more affluent Bromley borough! I hope all of you will support your hospital when the consultation process begins, Start writing to your MP now to tell them what a disgrace this is Notpolitical

7:00pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Marty1979 says...

Notpolitical wrote:
Why does everybody get political? The cons did nothing whilst in opposition same as labour.
This is about people!
Why should Lewisham lose its A&E dept they have nothing to do with the shameful debacle known as south London healthcare, in fact Lewisham decided to withdraw from the group at its inception.
They spent millions on the A&E dept just a few months ago and it is a testament to Lewisham, as is the children's A&E dept and maternity services.
Shame,shame,shame on Mr Kershaw for thinking its ok to deprive Lewisham residents of its A&E to balance the books in the more affluent Bromley borough!
I hope all of you will support your hospital when the consultation process begins,
Start writing to your MP now to tell them what a disgrace this is
I think you've made the best point - some people seem to be making their own "party political" statements, the Tory voters are saying it's the fault of the Labour government - yet the Tories are just as bad

Remember the election promise "the NHS is safe in our hands, no hospital closures etc"

And if the Lib Dems were in power it would be no different

They're all as bad as each other
[quote][p][bold]Notpolitical[/bold] wrote: Why does everybody get political? The cons did nothing whilst in opposition same as labour. This is about people! Why should Lewisham lose its A&E dept they have nothing to do with the shameful debacle known as south London healthcare, in fact Lewisham decided to withdraw from the group at its inception. They spent millions on the A&E dept just a few months ago and it is a testament to Lewisham, as is the children's A&E dept and maternity services. Shame,shame,shame on Mr Kershaw for thinking its ok to deprive Lewisham residents of its A&E to balance the books in the more affluent Bromley borough! I hope all of you will support your hospital when the consultation process begins, Start writing to your MP now to tell them what a disgrace this is[/p][/quote]I think you've made the best point - some people seem to be making their own "party political" statements, the Tory voters are saying it's the fault of the Labour government - yet the Tories are just as bad Remember the election promise "the NHS is safe in our hands, no hospital closures etc" And if the Lib Dems were in power it would be no different They're all as bad as each other Marty1979

7:53pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Donna_T says...

Marty1979 who would you suggest then ?
Marty1979 who would you suggest then ? Donna_T

7:54pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Jmac49 says...

Marty1979 wrote:
Notpolitical wrote:
Why does everybody get political? The cons did nothing whilst in opposition same as labour.
This is about people!
Why should Lewisham lose its A&E dept they have nothing to do with the shameful debacle known as south London healthcare, in fact Lewisham decided to withdraw from the group at its inception.
They spent millions on the A&E dept just a few months ago and it is a testament to Lewisham, as is the children's A&E dept and maternity services.
Shame,shame,shame on Mr Kershaw for thinking its ok to deprive Lewisham residents of its A&E to balance the books in the more affluent Bromley borough!
I hope all of you will support your hospital when the consultation process begins,
Start writing to your MP now to tell them what a disgrace this is
I think you've made the best point - some people seem to be making their own "party political" statements, the Tory voters are saying it's the fault of the Labour government - yet the Tories are just as bad

Remember the election promise "the NHS is safe in our hands, no hospital closures etc"

And if the Lib Dems were in power it would be no different

They're all as bad as each other
Its would be so easy to say its not about politics, but its is! Conservatives are the governing party and they going to make these changes whether we like it or not!
[quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Notpolitical[/bold] wrote: Why does everybody get political? The cons did nothing whilst in opposition same as labour. This is about people! Why should Lewisham lose its A&E dept they have nothing to do with the shameful debacle known as south London healthcare, in fact Lewisham decided to withdraw from the group at its inception. They spent millions on the A&E dept just a few months ago and it is a testament to Lewisham, as is the children's A&E dept and maternity services. Shame,shame,shame on Mr Kershaw for thinking its ok to deprive Lewisham residents of its A&E to balance the books in the more affluent Bromley borough! I hope all of you will support your hospital when the consultation process begins, Start writing to your MP now to tell them what a disgrace this is[/p][/quote]I think you've made the best point - some people seem to be making their own "party political" statements, the Tory voters are saying it's the fault of the Labour government - yet the Tories are just as bad Remember the election promise "the NHS is safe in our hands, no hospital closures etc" And if the Lib Dems were in power it would be no different They're all as bad as each other[/p][/quote]Its would be so easy to say its not about politics, but its is! Conservatives are the governing party and they going to make these changes whether we like it or not! Jmac49

8:07pm Mon 29 Oct 12

reasonable75 says...

Margaret Smith wrote:
This is all due to the last Labour Government that instead of Borrowing cheap money to fund Schools and Hospitals, Launched the biggest policy open to abuse in modern times the PFI policy that allowed big business to borrow cheap money to build schools and Hospitals with a clause that the Government would pay the rent and service charges up to 50 years, Leading to Closure of this Trust and other Hospitals and schools across the UK, expecting the same.AS PFI, rips of the Tax payer and puts us all further in debt to service the profits of these big business Concerns who were in bed big time with the last Labour Government. Thank God in Lewisham we have People before Profit to vote for. Who would never allow Business interests and profit to be put before the interests of local people.
As had been pointed out, PFI was a policy from John Major's (conservative) government - although the Labour government did nothing to change it
[quote][p][bold]Margaret Smith[/bold] wrote: This is all due to the last Labour Government that instead of Borrowing cheap money to fund Schools and Hospitals, Launched the biggest policy open to abuse in modern times the PFI policy that allowed big business to borrow cheap money to build schools and Hospitals with a clause that the Government would pay the rent and service charges up to 50 years, Leading to Closure of this Trust and other Hospitals and schools across the UK, expecting the same.AS PFI, rips of the Tax payer and puts us all further in debt to service the profits of these big business Concerns who were in bed big time with the last Labour Government. Thank God in Lewisham we have People before Profit to vote for. Who would never allow Business interests and profit to be put before the interests of local people.[/p][/quote]As had been pointed out, PFI was a policy from John Major's (conservative) government - although the Labour government did nothing to change it reasonable75

8:11pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Downhamlad says...

Donna_T wrote:
Marty1979 who would you suggest then ?
Yeah Marty like Donna sez Id like to see you do better

Come on then whats your great idea
[quote][p][bold]Donna_T[/bold] wrote: Marty1979 who would you suggest then ?[/p][/quote]Yeah Marty like Donna sez Id like to see you do better Come on then whats your great idea Downhamlad

10:37pm Mon 29 Oct 12

Womblingbarnacle says...

Jmac49 wrote:
Womblingbarnacle wrote:
All political parties are at fault for this.

Labour forced PFI on hospitals, which left them with a 30 year high interest mortgages which they couldn't afford. PFI is where a private company builds and maintains for 30 years a hospital and the trust pays them at a very high cost for repayments transferring money from patient care. This was supported by the tories, and now the lib dems in power.

Allowing a 30% plus population increase in 10 years through immigration and higher birth rates (though maternity units now closing!) has also added much pressure which cannot be afforded and wasn't contemplated by politicians and statisticians. Well done Labour.
The PFI idea was a Conservative one under the Major government!
The Tories started it in the 90s, but Labour embraced it and expanded it hugely after '97. Queen Elizabeth hospital PFI was instigated in the late 90s TWO YEARS after labour were elected. Gordon Brown was a big advocate of it across all of govt. How anyone can be partisan about it is beyond me. The most cursory knowledge and reading shows all three main political parties are culpable.

As for those saying this isn't political, of course it is. Just who do you think made the rules and forced it through causing this bankruptcy?
[quote][p][bold]Jmac49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Womblingbarnacle[/bold] wrote: All political parties are at fault for this. Labour forced PFI on hospitals, which left them with a 30 year high interest mortgages which they couldn't afford. PFI is where a private company builds and maintains for 30 years a hospital and the trust pays them at a very high cost for repayments transferring money from patient care. This was supported by the tories, and now the lib dems in power. Allowing a 30% plus population increase in 10 years through immigration and higher birth rates (though maternity units now closing!) has also added much pressure which cannot be afforded and wasn't contemplated by politicians and statisticians. Well done Labour.[/p][/quote]The PFI idea was a Conservative one under the Major government![/p][/quote]The Tories started it in the 90s, but Labour embraced it and expanded it hugely after '97. Queen Elizabeth hospital PFI was instigated in the late 90s TWO YEARS after labour were elected. Gordon Brown was a big advocate of it across all of govt. How anyone can be partisan about it is beyond me. The most cursory knowledge and reading shows all three main political parties are culpable. As for those saying this isn't political, of course it is. Just who do you think made the rules and forced it through causing this bankruptcy? Womblingbarnacle

12:43am Tue 30 Oct 12

Notpolitical says...

Jmac49 wrote:
Marty1979 wrote:
Notpolitical wrote:
Why does everybody get political? The cons did nothing whilst in opposition same as labour.
This is about people!
Why should Lewisham lose its A&E dept they have nothing to do with the shameful debacle known as south London healthcare, in fact Lewisham decided to withdraw from the group at its inception.
They spent millions on the A&E dept just a few months ago and it is a testament to Lewisham, as is the children's A&E dept and maternity services.
Shame,shame,shame on Mr Kershaw for thinking its ok to deprive Lewisham residents of its A&E to balance the books in the more affluent Bromley borough!
I hope all of you will support your hospital when the consultation process begins,
Start writing to your MP now to tell them what a disgrace this is
I think you've made the best point - some people seem to be making their own "party political" statements, the Tory voters are saying it's the fault of the Labour government - yet the Tories are just as bad

Remember the election promise "the NHS is safe in our hands, no hospital closures etc"

And if the Lib Dems were in power it would be no different

They're all as bad as each other
Its would be so easy to say its not about politics, but its is! Conservatives are the governing party and they going to make these changes whether we like it or not!
The point I was making is that the old blue and red brigade all jump in and blame each other when they are all guilty!
The second point was why should Lewisham be penalised for not getting involved in SLHT, what right does Mr Kershaw have to involve Lewisham in his rescue plan of SLHT?
[quote][p][bold]Jmac49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Notpolitical[/bold] wrote: Why does everybody get political? The cons did nothing whilst in opposition same as labour. This is about people! Why should Lewisham lose its A&E dept they have nothing to do with the shameful debacle known as south London healthcare, in fact Lewisham decided to withdraw from the group at its inception. They spent millions on the A&E dept just a few months ago and it is a testament to Lewisham, as is the children's A&E dept and maternity services. Shame,shame,shame on Mr Kershaw for thinking its ok to deprive Lewisham residents of its A&E to balance the books in the more affluent Bromley borough! I hope all of you will support your hospital when the consultation process begins, Start writing to your MP now to tell them what a disgrace this is[/p][/quote]I think you've made the best point - some people seem to be making their own "party political" statements, the Tory voters are saying it's the fault of the Labour government - yet the Tories are just as bad Remember the election promise "the NHS is safe in our hands, no hospital closures etc" And if the Lib Dems were in power it would be no different They're all as bad as each other[/p][/quote]Its would be so easy to say its not about politics, but its is! Conservatives are the governing party and they going to make these changes whether we like it or not![/p][/quote]The point I was making is that the old blue and red brigade all jump in and blame each other when they are all guilty! The second point was why should Lewisham be penalised for not getting involved in SLHT, what right does Mr Kershaw have to involve Lewisham in his rescue plan of SLHT? Notpolitical

7:14am Tue 30 Oct 12

jelly00001 says...

Firstly welcome to the real world, in many parts of the country people have to travel miles to A&E services. If you read the actual report which probably many of you haven't it recommends turning Lewisham into an emergency care unit which will provide 24 care for people who don't require hospital admission. Of the 350+ patients that it sees an a daily basis around 280 don't require admission. So far those requiring treatment you'd expect them to be seen much quicker!

Secondly whilst PFI was a Tory baby, I didn't see Labour reversing the trend in its administration in fact it actively encouraged them and was was them that legislated the unsustainable providers regimen!

I suggest you all read the full report for yourselves rather than relying on misleading reports by both local and national press. Whilst I'm not sure about parts of the reports there is a lot of good strong recommendations for future services.
Firstly welcome to the real world, in many parts of the country people have to travel miles to A&E services. If you read the actual report which probably many of you haven't it recommends turning Lewisham into an emergency care unit which will provide 24 care for people who don't require hospital admission. Of the 350+ patients that it sees an a daily basis around 280 don't require admission. So far those requiring treatment you'd expect them to be seen much quicker! Secondly whilst PFI was a Tory baby, I didn't see Labour reversing the trend in its administration in fact it actively encouraged them and was was them that legislated the unsustainable providers regimen! I suggest you all read the full report for yourselves rather than relying on misleading reports by both local and national press. Whilst I'm not sure about parts of the reports there is a lot of good strong recommendations for future services. jelly00001

7:19am Tue 30 Oct 12

jelly00001 says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands.
Having just been seen in outpatients at Beckenham Beacon, all I can say what a waste of money keeping it open! There were only 2 people ahead of me and still they were running 30 minutes late! Whilst waiting I had to endure the the HCA standing gossiping to someone else, I didn't see her move once!!
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands.[/p][/quote]Having just been seen in outpatients at Beckenham Beacon, all I can say what a waste of money keeping it open! There were only 2 people ahead of me and still they were running 30 minutes late! Whilst waiting I had to endure the the HCA standing gossiping to someone else, I didn't see her move once!! jelly00001

8:34am Tue 30 Oct 12

goldenbroomboy says...

jelly00001 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote: Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands.
Having just been seen in outpatients at Beckenham Beacon, all I can say what a waste of money keeping it open! There were only 2 people ahead of me and still they were running 30 minutes late! Whilst waiting I had to endure the the HCA standing gossiping to someone else, I didn't see her move once!!
That is a matter for hospital administration, not Matthew Kershaw. Perhaps the people in front of you needed longer than five minuites with the doctor-it has been known to happen in GP surgeries as well. But don't worry, the hospital will be closed soon & the HCA will be signing on the dole whilst you are stuck on a train or in a traffic jam trying to get to Denmark Hill.
[quote][p][bold]jelly00001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands.[/p][/quote]Having just been seen in outpatients at Beckenham Beacon, all I can say what a waste of money keeping it open! There were only 2 people ahead of me and still they were running 30 minutes late! Whilst waiting I had to endure the the HCA standing gossiping to someone else, I didn't see her move once!![/p][/quote]That is a matter for hospital administration, not Matthew Kershaw. Perhaps the people in front of you needed longer than five minuites with the doctor-it has been known to happen in GP surgeries as well. But don't worry, the hospital will be closed soon & the HCA will be signing on the dole whilst you are stuck on a train or in a traffic jam trying to get to Denmark Hill. goldenbroomboy

9:14am Tue 30 Oct 12

Jmac49 says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
jelly00001 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote: Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands.
Having just been seen in outpatients at Beckenham Beacon, all I can say what a waste of money keeping it open! There were only 2 people ahead of me and still they were running 30 minutes late! Whilst waiting I had to endure the the HCA standing gossiping to someone else, I didn't see her move once!!
That is a matter for hospital administration, not Matthew Kershaw. Perhaps the people in front of you needed longer than five minuites with the doctor-it has been known to happen in GP surgeries as well. But don't worry, the hospital will be closed soon & the HCA will be signing on the dole whilst you are stuck on a train or in a traffic jam trying to get to Denmark Hill.
Oh and you won't be able to park at King's, so don't wish away Beckenham too quickly, it provides an excellent local service.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jelly00001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands.[/p][/quote]Having just been seen in outpatients at Beckenham Beacon, all I can say what a waste of money keeping it open! There were only 2 people ahead of me and still they were running 30 minutes late! Whilst waiting I had to endure the the HCA standing gossiping to someone else, I didn't see her move once!![/p][/quote]That is a matter for hospital administration, not Matthew Kershaw. Perhaps the people in front of you needed longer than five minuites with the doctor-it has been known to happen in GP surgeries as well. But don't worry, the hospital will be closed soon & the HCA will be signing on the dole whilst you are stuck on a train or in a traffic jam trying to get to Denmark Hill.[/p][/quote]Oh and you won't be able to park at King's, so don't wish away Beckenham too quickly, it provides an excellent local service. Jmac49

9:47am Tue 30 Oct 12

jelly00001 says...

Jmac49 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
jelly00001 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote: Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands.
Having just been seen in outpatients at Beckenham Beacon, all I can say what a waste of money keeping it open! There were only 2 people ahead of me and still they were running 30 minutes late! Whilst waiting I had to endure the the HCA standing gossiping to someone else, I didn't see her move once!!
That is a matter for hospital administration, not Matthew Kershaw. Perhaps the people in front of you needed longer than five minuites with the doctor-it has been known to happen in GP surgeries as well. But don't worry, the hospital will be closed soon & the HCA will be signing on the dole whilst you are stuck on a train or in a traffic jam trying to get to Denmark Hill.
Oh and you won't be able to park at King's, so don't wish away Beckenham too quickly, it provides an excellent local service.
Why would I be going to Kings, if you had bothered to read the report, the plan is that follow up care will be managed locally so as I live nowhere near Kings I doubt that that would happen!

The Lewisham board submitted a bid to the special administrator knowing full well that they may lose their A&E if their bid was accepted. They also took part in an exercise earlier this year looking at the future of services across South London and at that point it was identified that their A&E may close!
[quote][p][bold]Jmac49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jelly00001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands.[/p][/quote]Having just been seen in outpatients at Beckenham Beacon, all I can say what a waste of money keeping it open! There were only 2 people ahead of me and still they were running 30 minutes late! Whilst waiting I had to endure the the HCA standing gossiping to someone else, I didn't see her move once!![/p][/quote]That is a matter for hospital administration, not Matthew Kershaw. Perhaps the people in front of you needed longer than five minuites with the doctor-it has been known to happen in GP surgeries as well. But don't worry, the hospital will be closed soon & the HCA will be signing on the dole whilst you are stuck on a train or in a traffic jam trying to get to Denmark Hill.[/p][/quote]Oh and you won't be able to park at King's, so don't wish away Beckenham too quickly, it provides an excellent local service.[/p][/quote]Why would I be going to Kings, if you had bothered to read the report, the plan is that follow up care will be managed locally so as I live nowhere near Kings I doubt that that would happen! The Lewisham board submitted a bid to the special administrator knowing full well that they may lose their A&E if their bid was accepted. They also took part in an exercise earlier this year looking at the future of services across South London and at that point it was identified that their A&E may close! jelly00001

9:59am Tue 30 Oct 12

goldenbroomboy says...

jelly00001 wrote:
Jmac49 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
jelly00001 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote: Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands.
Having just been seen in outpatients at Beckenham Beacon, all I can say what a waste of money keeping it open! There were only 2 people ahead of me and still they were running 30 minutes late! Whilst waiting I had to endure the the HCA standing gossiping to someone else, I didn't see her move once!!
That is a matter for hospital administration, not Matthew Kershaw. Perhaps the people in front of you needed longer than five minuites with the doctor-it has been known to happen in GP surgeries as well. But don't worry, the hospital will be closed soon & the HCA will be signing on the dole whilst you are stuck on a train or in a traffic jam trying to get to Denmark Hill.
Oh and you won't be able to park at King's, so don't wish away Beckenham too quickly, it provides an excellent local service.
Why would I be going to Kings, if you had bothered to read the report, the plan is that follow up care will be managed locally so as I live nowhere near Kings I doubt that that would happen! The Lewisham board submitted a bid to the special administrator knowing full well that they may lose their A&E if their bid was accepted. They also took part in an exercise earlier this year looking at the future of services across South London and at that point it was identified that their A&E may close!
And suppose there is no room "locally"? Presumably you are one of those types who thinks that "local" to Lewisham is anywhere east of Heathrow & west of Sevenoaks?

Quite frankly I am not concerned with the Lewisham board, unlike you I am concerned with Lewisham patients. Patients who need services are not usually bothered about boardroom discussions & point scoring.
[quote][p][bold]jelly00001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jmac49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jelly00001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands.[/p][/quote]Having just been seen in outpatients at Beckenham Beacon, all I can say what a waste of money keeping it open! There were only 2 people ahead of me and still they were running 30 minutes late! Whilst waiting I had to endure the the HCA standing gossiping to someone else, I didn't see her move once!![/p][/quote]That is a matter for hospital administration, not Matthew Kershaw. Perhaps the people in front of you needed longer than five minuites with the doctor-it has been known to happen in GP surgeries as well. But don't worry, the hospital will be closed soon & the HCA will be signing on the dole whilst you are stuck on a train or in a traffic jam trying to get to Denmark Hill.[/p][/quote]Oh and you won't be able to park at King's, so don't wish away Beckenham too quickly, it provides an excellent local service.[/p][/quote]Why would I be going to Kings, if you had bothered to read the report, the plan is that follow up care will be managed locally so as I live nowhere near Kings I doubt that that would happen! The Lewisham board submitted a bid to the special administrator knowing full well that they may lose their A&E if their bid was accepted. They also took part in an exercise earlier this year looking at the future of services across South London and at that point it was identified that their A&E may close![/p][/quote]And suppose there is no room "locally"? Presumably you are one of those types who thinks that "local" to Lewisham is anywhere east of Heathrow & west of Sevenoaks? Quite frankly I am not concerned with the Lewisham board, unlike you I am concerned with Lewisham patients. Patients who need services are not usually bothered about boardroom discussions & point scoring. goldenbroomboy

10:42am Tue 30 Oct 12

jelly00001 says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
jelly00001 wrote:
Jmac49 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
jelly00001 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote: Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands.
Having just been seen in outpatients at Beckenham Beacon, all I can say what a waste of money keeping it open! There were only 2 people ahead of me and still they were running 30 minutes late! Whilst waiting I had to endure the the HCA standing gossiping to someone else, I didn't see her move once!!
That is a matter for hospital administration, not Matthew Kershaw. Perhaps the people in front of you needed longer than five minuites with the doctor-it has been known to happen in GP surgeries as well. But don't worry, the hospital will be closed soon & the HCA will be signing on the dole whilst you are stuck on a train or in a traffic jam trying to get to Denmark Hill.
Oh and you won't be able to park at King's, so don't wish away Beckenham too quickly, it provides an excellent local service.
Why would I be going to Kings, if you had bothered to read the report, the plan is that follow up care will be managed locally so as I live nowhere near Kings I doubt that that would happen! The Lewisham board submitted a bid to the special administrator knowing full well that they may lose their A&E if their bid was accepted. They also took part in an exercise earlier this year looking at the future of services across South London and at that point it was identified that their A&E may close!
And suppose there is no room "locally"? Presumably you are one of those types who thinks that "local" to Lewisham is anywhere east of Heathrow & west of Sevenoaks?

Quite frankly I am not concerned with the Lewisham board, unlike you I am concerned with Lewisham patients. Patients who need services are not usually bothered about boardroom discussions & point scoring.
No I'm not actually, I just happen to realise that the NHS is not a bottomless pit when it comes to funding. I'm not in favour of the private sector running the NHS either. If we all want and should have the right to a decent standard of healthcare in South London, I accept that things need to change.

Personally I think emergency care centres are the way forward waiting times are significantly reduced for those who don't require admission and A&E doesn't get clogged up with people with ailments such as twisted ankles!
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jelly00001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jmac49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jelly00001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands.[/p][/quote]Having just been seen in outpatients at Beckenham Beacon, all I can say what a waste of money keeping it open! There were only 2 people ahead of me and still they were running 30 minutes late! Whilst waiting I had to endure the the HCA standing gossiping to someone else, I didn't see her move once!![/p][/quote]That is a matter for hospital administration, not Matthew Kershaw. Perhaps the people in front of you needed longer than five minuites with the doctor-it has been known to happen in GP surgeries as well. But don't worry, the hospital will be closed soon & the HCA will be signing on the dole whilst you are stuck on a train or in a traffic jam trying to get to Denmark Hill.[/p][/quote]Oh and you won't be able to park at King's, so don't wish away Beckenham too quickly, it provides an excellent local service.[/p][/quote]Why would I be going to Kings, if you had bothered to read the report, the plan is that follow up care will be managed locally so as I live nowhere near Kings I doubt that that would happen! The Lewisham board submitted a bid to the special administrator knowing full well that they may lose their A&E if their bid was accepted. They also took part in an exercise earlier this year looking at the future of services across South London and at that point it was identified that their A&E may close![/p][/quote]And suppose there is no room "locally"? Presumably you are one of those types who thinks that "local" to Lewisham is anywhere east of Heathrow & west of Sevenoaks? Quite frankly I am not concerned with the Lewisham board, unlike you I am concerned with Lewisham patients. Patients who need services are not usually bothered about boardroom discussions & point scoring.[/p][/quote]No I'm not actually, I just happen to realise that the NHS is not a bottomless pit when it comes to funding. I'm not in favour of the private sector running the NHS either. If we all want and should have the right to a decent standard of healthcare in South London, I accept that things need to change. Personally I think emergency care centres are the way forward waiting times are significantly reduced for those who don't require admission and A&E doesn't get clogged up with people with ailments such as twisted ankles! jelly00001

11:28am Tue 30 Oct 12

Jmac49 says...

jelly00001 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
jelly00001 wrote:
Jmac49 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
jelly00001 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote: Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands.
Having just been seen in outpatients at Beckenham Beacon, all I can say what a waste of money keeping it open! There were only 2 people ahead of me and still they were running 30 minutes late! Whilst waiting I had to endure the the HCA standing gossiping to someone else, I didn't see her move once!!
That is a matter for hospital administration, not Matthew Kershaw. Perhaps the people in front of you needed longer than five minuites with the doctor-it has been known to happen in GP surgeries as well. But don't worry, the hospital will be closed soon & the HCA will be signing on the dole whilst you are stuck on a train or in a traffic jam trying to get to Denmark Hill.
Oh and you won't be able to park at King's, so don't wish away Beckenham too quickly, it provides an excellent local service.
Why would I be going to Kings, if you had bothered to read the report, the plan is that follow up care will be managed locally so as I live nowhere near Kings I doubt that that would happen! The Lewisham board submitted a bid to the special administrator knowing full well that they may lose their A&E if their bid was accepted. They also took part in an exercise earlier this year looking at the future of services across South London and at that point it was identified that their A&E may close!
And suppose there is no room "locally"? Presumably you are one of those types who thinks that "local" to Lewisham is anywhere east of Heathrow & west of Sevenoaks?

Quite frankly I am not concerned with the Lewisham board, unlike you I am concerned with Lewisham patients. Patients who need services are not usually bothered about boardroom discussions & point scoring.
No I'm not actually, I just happen to realise that the NHS is not a bottomless pit when it comes to funding. I'm not in favour of the private sector running the NHS either. If we all want and should have the right to a decent standard of healthcare in South London, I accept that things need to change.

Personally I think emergency care centres are the way forward waiting times are significantly reduced for those who don't require admission and A&E doesn't get clogged up with people with ailments such as twisted ankles!
Exactly so why are they proposing to closing the Beckenham Urgent Care Centre?
[quote][p][bold]jelly00001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jelly00001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jmac49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jelly00001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands.[/p][/quote]Having just been seen in outpatients at Beckenham Beacon, all I can say what a waste of money keeping it open! There were only 2 people ahead of me and still they were running 30 minutes late! Whilst waiting I had to endure the the HCA standing gossiping to someone else, I didn't see her move once!![/p][/quote]That is a matter for hospital administration, not Matthew Kershaw. Perhaps the people in front of you needed longer than five minuites with the doctor-it has been known to happen in GP surgeries as well. But don't worry, the hospital will be closed soon & the HCA will be signing on the dole whilst you are stuck on a train or in a traffic jam trying to get to Denmark Hill.[/p][/quote]Oh and you won't be able to park at King's, so don't wish away Beckenham too quickly, it provides an excellent local service.[/p][/quote]Why would I be going to Kings, if you had bothered to read the report, the plan is that follow up care will be managed locally so as I live nowhere near Kings I doubt that that would happen! The Lewisham board submitted a bid to the special administrator knowing full well that they may lose their A&E if their bid was accepted. They also took part in an exercise earlier this year looking at the future of services across South London and at that point it was identified that their A&E may close![/p][/quote]And suppose there is no room "locally"? Presumably you are one of those types who thinks that "local" to Lewisham is anywhere east of Heathrow & west of Sevenoaks? Quite frankly I am not concerned with the Lewisham board, unlike you I am concerned with Lewisham patients. Patients who need services are not usually bothered about boardroom discussions & point scoring.[/p][/quote]No I'm not actually, I just happen to realise that the NHS is not a bottomless pit when it comes to funding. I'm not in favour of the private sector running the NHS either. If we all want and should have the right to a decent standard of healthcare in South London, I accept that things need to change. Personally I think emergency care centres are the way forward waiting times are significantly reduced for those who don't require admission and A&E doesn't get clogged up with people with ailments such as twisted ankles![/p][/quote]Exactly so why are they proposing to closing the Beckenham Urgent Care Centre? Jmac49

12:07pm Tue 30 Oct 12

jelly00001 says...

Probably because the majority of the hospital is empty and still cost millions to run. When I was there 4 people were waiting for phlebotomy and 3 at the clinic I went to and UCC was empty. surely you can see that it doesn't make any sense to fully staff Beckenham Beacon for a handful of patients. It hasn't been said yet whether what was the PCT will take over the UCC. But whatever people think in sure these proposals will happen!
Probably because the majority of the hospital is empty and still cost millions to run. When I was there 4 people were waiting for phlebotomy and 3 at the clinic I went to and UCC was empty. surely you can see that it doesn't make any sense to fully staff Beckenham Beacon for a handful of patients. It hasn't been said yet whether what was the PCT will take over the UCC. But whatever people think in sure these proposals will happen! jelly00001

12:32pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Jmac49 says...

jelly00001 wrote:
Probably because the majority of the hospital is empty and still cost millions to run. When I was there 4 people were waiting for phlebotomy and 3 at the clinic I went to and UCC was empty. surely you can see that it doesn't make any sense to fully staff Beckenham Beacon for a handful of patients. It hasn't been said yet whether what was the PCT will take over the UCC. But whatever people think in sure these proposals will happen!
Well I work there and if you forget the 80 patients that are x-rayed at Beckenham everyday and the hundreds of blood tests that are taken everyday, yeah nothing goes on at Beckenham!
[quote][p][bold]jelly00001[/bold] wrote: Probably because the majority of the hospital is empty and still cost millions to run. When I was there 4 people were waiting for phlebotomy and 3 at the clinic I went to and UCC was empty. surely you can see that it doesn't make any sense to fully staff Beckenham Beacon for a handful of patients. It hasn't been said yet whether what was the PCT will take over the UCC. But whatever people think in sure these proposals will happen![/p][/quote]Well I work there and if you forget the 80 patients that are x-rayed at Beckenham everyday and the hundreds of blood tests that are taken everyday, yeah nothing goes on at Beckenham! Jmac49

12:33pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Jmac49 says...

Please get your facts right before making sweeping statements
Please get your facts right before making sweeping statements Jmac49

5:30pm Tue 30 Oct 12

mouthalmighty says...

The loss if any cottage hospital will be felt by thousands.cespecudll
y by those who have to visit daily, weekly of other frequent times. The loss of local A & E is also traumatic. I drive do it expensive but easier to get to alternative sites. But what about those who can't drive or choose not to. How do they get to A&E? The ambulance service us going to be inundated. Oh no. Sorry. They are being cut too.
The loss if any cottage hospital will be felt by thousands.cespecudll y by those who have to visit daily, weekly of other frequent times. The loss of local A & E is also traumatic. I drive do it expensive but easier to get to alternative sites. But what about those who can't drive or choose not to. How do they get to A&E? The ambulance service us going to be inundated. Oh no. Sorry. They are being cut too. mouthalmighty

8:16pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Oldchap says...

My wife is on warfarin & needs to have regular blood tests

Currently she is able to go to Orpington, then on to work. If Orpington closes she may be able to go to the PRU, but I imagine the delays will be even longer due to increases numbers

If she had to go to Kings (bear in mind it is unlikely they would do tests before 7am) it would mean taking time off work. Plus greatly increase travel costs

There will be many people in the Beckenham area with similar problems
My wife is on warfarin & needs to have regular blood tests Currently she is able to go to Orpington, then on to work. If Orpington closes she may be able to go to the PRU, but I imagine the delays will be even longer due to increases numbers If she had to go to Kings (bear in mind it is unlikely they would do tests before 7am) it would mean taking time off work. Plus greatly increase travel costs There will be many people in the Beckenham area with similar problems Oldchap

8:27pm Tue 30 Oct 12

Marty1979 says...

jelly00001 wrote:
Jmac49 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
jelly00001 wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote: Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands.
Having just been seen in outpatients at Beckenham Beacon, all I can say what a waste of money keeping it open! There were only 2 people ahead of me and still they were running 30 minutes late! Whilst waiting I had to endure the the HCA standing gossiping to someone else, I didn't see her move once!!
That is a matter for hospital administration, not Matthew Kershaw. Perhaps the people in front of you needed longer than five minuites with the doctor-it has been known to happen in GP surgeries as well. But don't worry, the hospital will be closed soon & the HCA will be signing on the dole whilst you are stuck on a train or in a traffic jam trying to get to Denmark Hill.
Oh and you won't be able to park at King's, so don't wish away Beckenham too quickly, it provides an excellent local service.
Why would I be going to Kings, if you had bothered to read the report, the plan is that follow up care will be managed locally so as I live nowhere near Kings I doubt that that would happen!

The Lewisham board submitted a bid to the special administrator knowing full well that they may lose their A&E if their bid was accepted. They also took part in an exercise earlier this year looking at the future of services across South London and at that point it was identified that their A&E may close!
Why would you be going to Kings? Well perhaps you will be lucky enough never to be ill - but most heart surgery in this area is now done at Kings

You would need to visit a specialist, then attend for the operation, then outpatients for follow up. Not so many years ago this would have been done at Bromley or Lewisham



It is the major trauma centre so if you are unfortunate enough to have an accident you would be taken to Kings and if kept in hospital your friends & family would need to travel there to visit
[quote][p][bold]jelly00001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jmac49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jelly00001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: Both Beckenham, and Orpington will be sold. And the Tories claimed the NHS is safe in their hands.[/p][/quote]Having just been seen in outpatients at Beckenham Beacon, all I can say what a waste of money keeping it open! There were only 2 people ahead of me and still they were running 30 minutes late! Whilst waiting I had to endure the the HCA standing gossiping to someone else, I didn't see her move once!![/p][/quote]That is a matter for hospital administration, not Matthew Kershaw. Perhaps the people in front of you needed longer than five minuites with the doctor-it has been known to happen in GP surgeries as well. But don't worry, the hospital will be closed soon & the HCA will be signing on the dole whilst you are stuck on a train or in a traffic jam trying to get to Denmark Hill.[/p][/quote]Oh and you won't be able to park at King's, so don't wish away Beckenham too quickly, it provides an excellent local service.[/p][/quote]Why would I be going to Kings, if you had bothered to read the report, the plan is that follow up care will be managed locally so as I live nowhere near Kings I doubt that that would happen! The Lewisham board submitted a bid to the special administrator knowing full well that they may lose their A&E if their bid was accepted. They also took part in an exercise earlier this year looking at the future of services across South London and at that point it was identified that their A&E may close![/p][/quote]Why would you be going to Kings? Well perhaps you will be lucky enough never to be ill - but most heart surgery in this area is now done at Kings You would need to visit a specialist, then attend for the operation, then outpatients for follow up. Not so many years ago this would have been done at Bromley or Lewisham It is the major trauma centre so if you are unfortunate enough to have an accident you would be taken to Kings and if kept in hospital your friends & family would need to travel there to visit Marty1979

9:51am Wed 31 Oct 12

Slonik says...

reasonable75 wrote:
Margaret Smith wrote:
This is all due to the last Labour Government that instead of Borrowing cheap money to fund Schools and Hospitals, Launched the biggest policy open to abuse in modern times the PFI policy that allowed big business to borrow cheap money to build schools and Hospitals with a clause that the Government would pay the rent and service charges up to 50 years, Leading to Closure of this Trust and other Hospitals and schools across the UK, expecting the same.AS PFI, rips of the Tax payer and puts us all further in debt to service the profits of these big business Concerns who were in bed big time with the last Labour Government. Thank God in Lewisham we have People before Profit to vote for. Who would never allow Business interests and profit to be put before the interests of local people.
As had been pointed out, PFI was a policy from John Major's (conservative) government - although the Labour government did nothing to change it
As I've said, the concept was a Tory one but, not only did Labour do nothing about it, they actually put in place almost all the PFI schemes which exist today.
There is no doubt that PFI isn't the only thing wrong with the NHS but it is a massive drain on much needed resources and should never have been deemed an acceptable means by which to build schools, hospitals etc. It was a political con trick to keep capital spending and govt. debt off the books and this is the result!
[quote][p][bold]reasonable75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Margaret Smith[/bold] wrote: This is all due to the last Labour Government that instead of Borrowing cheap money to fund Schools and Hospitals, Launched the biggest policy open to abuse in modern times the PFI policy that allowed big business to borrow cheap money to build schools and Hospitals with a clause that the Government would pay the rent and service charges up to 50 years, Leading to Closure of this Trust and other Hospitals and schools across the UK, expecting the same.AS PFI, rips of the Tax payer and puts us all further in debt to service the profits of these big business Concerns who were in bed big time with the last Labour Government. Thank God in Lewisham we have People before Profit to vote for. Who would never allow Business interests and profit to be put before the interests of local people.[/p][/quote]As had been pointed out, PFI was a policy from John Major's (conservative) government - although the Labour government did nothing to change it[/p][/quote]As I've said, the concept was a Tory one but, not only did Labour do nothing about it, they actually put in place almost all the PFI schemes which exist today. There is no doubt that PFI isn't the only thing wrong with the NHS but it is a massive drain on much needed resources and should never have been deemed an acceptable means by which to build schools, hospitals etc. It was a political con trick to keep capital spending and govt. debt off the books and this is the result! Slonik

9:52am Wed 31 Oct 12

jelly00001 says...

If you read the report in full, you would see that the plan is for follow ups to be done locally. In other areas of the country follow up clinics are even held at GP's surgeries.
A close friend is on warfarin, she does home testing, phones through her results, the nurse practitioner advises her on her dosage and she attends clinic on a 3 monthly basis. As more things are becoming community bases maybe things like this will become more common. Lets face it who wants to hang round clinics for ages particularly phebotomy were its a first come, first served basis!
If you read the report in full, you would see that the plan is for follow ups to be done locally. In other areas of the country follow up clinics are even held at GP's surgeries. A close friend is on warfarin, she does home testing, phones through her results, the nurse practitioner advises her on her dosage and she attends clinic on a 3 monthly basis. As more things are becoming community bases maybe things like this will become more common. Lets face it who wants to hang round clinics for ages particularly phebotomy were its a first come, first served basis! jelly00001

9:57am Wed 31 Oct 12

Jmac49 says...

Ok so where is x-ray going to be performed with both Beckenham and Orpington closing its x-ray departments?
Ok so where is x-ray going to be performed with both Beckenham and Orpington closing its x-ray departments? Jmac49

9:59am Wed 31 Oct 12

Jmac49 says...

So one minute you say Beckenham phebotomy is empty and now you don't want to hang around? I thought Beckenham was empty all of the time?
So one minute you say Beckenham phebotomy is empty and now you don't want to hang around? I thought Beckenham was empty all of the time? Jmac49

10:35am Thu 1 Nov 12

Jackytalks says...

If everyone in this country paid for the services they received Health Care, Benefits etc we would all be better off and everyone would receive fair treatment. But no its being given away to people who have not contributed and take as much as they can get for free and I've got to keep working to support them. People also use A&E for non urgent problems they should be sent away
If everyone in this country paid for the services they received Health Care, Benefits etc we would all be better off and everyone would receive fair treatment. But no its being given away to people who have not contributed and take as much as they can get for free and I've got to keep working to support them. People also use A&E for non urgent problems they should be sent away Jackytalks

12:18pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Threadworm says...

Kershaw is no better than the others supposedly put in place of trust. Look at streather jumping from the sinking ship just before it sunk, dont tell us HE DIDNT KNOW and Roger smith so called medical director and gynacologist, he couldnt direct an orchestra and was reported to GMC so many times for bullying and generally making life hell for staff. Its all a condem farce pretending to go through the motions , they never intended to even try.

18 million i think was spent recently renovating Lewisham A.E how can they possibly close it when Q.E can not cope with the amount of people coming in.......... a clear cut investigation is needed relating to past worms that have SO FAR got away with so much resulting in the downfall of this trust..
Kershaw is no better than the others supposedly put in place of trust. Look at streather jumping from the sinking ship just before it sunk, dont tell us HE DIDNT KNOW and Roger smith so called medical director and gynacologist, he couldnt direct an orchestra and was reported to GMC so many times for bullying and generally making life hell for staff. Its all a condem farce pretending to go through the motions , they never intended to even try. 18 million i think was spent recently renovating Lewisham A.E how can they possibly close it when Q.E can not cope with the amount of people coming in.......... a clear cut investigation is needed relating to past worms that have SO FAR got away with so much resulting in the downfall of this trust.. Threadworm

3:02pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Virtual-Monster says...

Providing comprehensive, effective health care should not be constrained by cost.

We supposedly live in one of the most developed countries in the world yet our health care system is being measured and controlled simply by cost! There is something VERY wrong with that!

One may even think that this is a Tory plan to thin out the population in lower income areas.
Providing comprehensive, effective health care should not be constrained by cost. We supposedly live in one of the most developed countries in the world yet our health care system is being measured and controlled simply by cost! There is something VERY wrong with that! One may even think that this is a Tory plan to thin out the population in lower income areas. Virtual-Monster

10:26am Fri 2 Nov 12

goldenbroomboy says...

Virtual-Monster wrote:
Providing comprehensive, effective health care should not be constrained by cost. We supposedly live in one of the most developed countries in the world yet our health care system is being measured and controlled simply by cost! There is something VERY wrong with that! One may even think that this is a Tory plan to thin out the population in lower income areas.
Shirley Porter tried that in Westminster in the eighties, anybody remember the "asbestos homes"?
[quote][p][bold]Virtual-Monster[/bold] wrote: Providing comprehensive, effective health care should not be constrained by cost. We supposedly live in one of the most developed countries in the world yet our health care system is being measured and controlled simply by cost! There is something VERY wrong with that! One may even think that this is a Tory plan to thin out the population in lower income areas.[/p][/quote]Shirley Porter tried that in Westminster in the eighties, anybody remember the "asbestos homes"? goldenbroomboy

10:09pm Fri 2 Nov 12

jelly00001 says...

Jmac49 wrote:
So one minute you say Beckenham phebotomy is empty and now you don't want to hang around? I thought Beckenham was empty all of the time?
I wasn't referring to Beckenham, I was referring to the fact at QE, the wait for blood tests is ridiculous! Put them back in Gp's surgeries as they do in other areas! You book an appoinent and get seen at that time! Saves going miles for a blood test. Have spoken to other people and what I experiencd is the norm at Beckenham!
[quote][p][bold]Jmac49[/bold] wrote: So one minute you say Beckenham phebotomy is empty and now you don't want to hang around? I thought Beckenham was empty all of the time?[/p][/quote]I wasn't referring to Beckenham, I was referring to the fact at QE, the wait for blood tests is ridiculous! Put them back in Gp's surgeries as they do in other areas! You book an appoinent and get seen at that time! Saves going miles for a blood test. Have spoken to other people and what I experiencd is the norm at Beckenham! jelly00001

10:58am Sat 3 Nov 12

goldenbroomboy says...

jelly00001 wrote:
Jmac49 wrote: So one minute you say Beckenham phebotomy is empty and now you don't want to hang around? I thought Beckenham was empty all of the time?
I wasn't referring to Beckenham, I was referring to the fact at QE, the wait for blood tests is ridiculous! Put them back in Gp's surgeries as they do in other areas! You book an appoinent and get seen at that time! Saves going miles for a blood test. Have spoken to other people and what I experiencd is the norm at Beckenham!
Which is precisely why my family go to Orpington and/or Beckenham for our blood tests rather than wait a long time at PRU.

So you want extra delays in getting appointments with your GP because of the extra work they will take on with blood tests? I think that most "other people" would disagree with you.
[quote][p][bold]jelly00001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jmac49[/bold] wrote: So one minute you say Beckenham phebotomy is empty and now you don't want to hang around? I thought Beckenham was empty all of the time?[/p][/quote]I wasn't referring to Beckenham, I was referring to the fact at QE, the wait for blood tests is ridiculous! Put them back in Gp's surgeries as they do in other areas! You book an appoinent and get seen at that time! Saves going miles for a blood test. Have spoken to other people and what I experiencd is the norm at Beckenham![/p][/quote]Which is precisely why my family go to Orpington and/or Beckenham for our blood tests rather than wait a long time at PRU. So you want extra delays in getting appointments with your GP because of the extra work they will take on with blood tests? I think that most "other people" would disagree with you. goldenbroomboy

11:09am Sat 3 Nov 12

Jmac49 says...

At last some sense, hospital closures will increase waiting times! Where are the 100+ a day x-ray patients from Beckenham and Orpington going to go.? They can't go to their GP!
At last some sense, hospital closures will increase waiting times! Where are the 100+ a day x-ray patients from Beckenham and Orpington going to go.? They can't go to their GP! Jmac49

9:17am Sun 4 Nov 12

Marty1979 says...

jelly00001 wrote:
Jmac49 wrote:
So one minute you say Beckenham phebotomy is empty and now you don't want to hang around? I thought Beckenham was empty all of the time?
I wasn't referring to Beckenham, I was referring to the fact at QE, the wait for blood tests is ridiculous! Put them back in Gp's surgeries as they do in other areas! You book an appoinent and get seen at that time! Saves going miles for a blood test. Have spoken to other people and what I experiencd is the norm at Beckenham!
But you referred to Beckenham, now you say you weren't

So which hospital was half empty?
[quote][p][bold]jelly00001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jmac49[/bold] wrote: So one minute you say Beckenham phebotomy is empty and now you don't want to hang around? I thought Beckenham was empty all of the time?[/p][/quote]I wasn't referring to Beckenham, I was referring to the fact at QE, the wait for blood tests is ridiculous! Put them back in Gp's surgeries as they do in other areas! You book an appoinent and get seen at that time! Saves going miles for a blood test. Have spoken to other people and what I experiencd is the norm at Beckenham![/p][/quote]But you referred to Beckenham, now you say you weren't So which hospital was half empty? Marty1979

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