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Debate over 32-storey tower due to take place

5:00pm Friday 3rd October 2008

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CONTROVERSIAL plans for a regeneration project have split residents - News Shopper heard both sides of the argument before an official debate.

Three groups have been given permission to put their points across about a 32-storey tower which is part of a £150m project which would be built within the heart of Gravesend's Heritage Quarter.

The debate is due to take place on Ocotber 7 at a Gravesham Council meeting at the Civic Centre in Windmill Street, Gravesend.

Gravesham Labour Party and civic society, Urban Gravesham, are both against the plans, while Yes to Gravesend is due to put their points across in favour of them.

Yes to Gravesend is made up of 10 people who run businesses within Gravesend.

Spokesman Philip Hales said the main points the group was due to raise was how they believe the development will bring future economic benefit to the town.

Mr Hales said: "Over the next 10 to 15 years Gravesham will be competing with Ebbsfleet and if this project doesn't go ahead then we don't know when the next opportunity will come."

The owner of True Hairdressing based in Gravesend's High Street, added: "I love the idea of the tower because it would all be built on space which isn't being used very efficiently at the moment and it's modern and a contrast to what already exists."

Developer Edinburgh House Estates Ltd is also proposing to build walkways leading to the river, underground car parks, a new town square, a hotel, restaurants and offices.

The plans consist of 120,000sq ft of retail space and 30,000sq ft of leisure and office space and the developer says the scheme will create around 1,000 jobs.

Urban Gravesham is made up of a group of residents who are against the project.

Group spokesman Martin Mckay, said among the points the group would be raising were the number of jobs the project would create and the size of the flats.

The resident of East Terrace also said the group was due to present a petition signed by around 5,000 people.

The 46-year-old said: "It is a vast tower and totally destructive of the cultural character of the town and in economic terms we think people will hate it."

Subject to planning approval, work is expected to start early next year and the whole scheme should be complete by 2013.


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doc, gravesend says...
6:04pm Fri 3 Oct 08

This tower will be good for gravesend.
I wish these peopole would stop moaning about this tower and do something useful with there time on saturday, like demonstrating about the homeless or something like that.
If these members of the human race worrie about a tower that will bring jobs and add an extra view to the town, I would say they are selfess.
it is all about what they want.

doc, gravesend says...
6:14pm Fri 3 Oct 08

O! I FOR GOT TO SAY IF THESE LOT HAD THERE WAY WE WOULD STILL BE LIVING IN CAVES.

Sir Paul, london says...
6:17pm Fri 3 Oct 08

Well said doc! spoking like a gentalman

Beermonster, Richmond says...
6:21pm Fri 3 Oct 08

hear hear. We have them do gooders were we live to.
Doc for MP

Martin, Datrford says...
6:24pm Fri 3 Oct 08

I hate to say this but I agree with them.

Rob, Gravesend says...
6:22am Sat 4 Oct 08

This development will make things worse for the homeless. It will drive property prices up.There are plenty of new flats built now in the area,empty.Regenerat
ion, so far has done nothing to enhance the town.More and more businesses are closing down. Just look at the High Street, recently re generated.Jobs will only be created for outside workers, during the build.Once the Tower is complete, maybe a couple will remain.

Ian, Gravesend ( Heritage quarter) says...
8:11am Sat 4 Oct 08

The owner of 'True hairdressing' would like the idea because the 'space' isn't being used efficiently?
IT IS a green space, one of the few left.
The owner of this shop has only probably been here for a few years.Do they live in the town centre?If they do, then comment on what local residents would like. I mean local, having lived in the town centre for over twenty plus years.

South East, South East says...
8:20am Sat 4 Oct 08

I am with Doc on this one. Gravesend needs regeneration and the tower will bring jobs to the area . When finished will great views of the town. We are also in a recession and need the jobs!!

doc, gravesend says...
8:33am Sat 4 Oct 08

I do`s not matter how long you have live in the town centre but how long you are going to live there.
Plus it also matters about the vistors, who spend there hard earn cash which keep the locals in work.
by local I mine anyone who works or lives in the town.
As for rob and his out side workers, lets but a boarder arould gravesend and not let anyone who was not born in gravesend. The town would then be empty. how many times have you work out side off gravesend Rob? Or are you one of these sad people who has never left the town and you Ian get out about to see the world and you would then be happy to see the tower.

Mark, Dartford says...
8:35am Sat 4 Oct 08

Just my 2 cents worth.
Why don't they regenerate what is there? What is the point of this Tower, when the outer areas of the town need improvement.Having lived in Gravesend before,I know that Queen street, Harmer Street need money invested in.Why not do that?Yes,if there was a better shopping centre, all for that, but a tower of apartments.I can't see them wanting to shop in Gravesend anyway!Will these be for sale or rent?
you could put Harrods in Gravesend, but it won't change the area ( or some of the people)!

doc, gravesend says...
8:42am Sat 4 Oct 08

Bulid the tower and poor Ian, might at last leave the town and see how many towers are in the world.

Ian, Gravesend says...
8:45am Sat 4 Oct 08

doc wrote:
I do`s not matter how long you have live in the town centre but how long you are going to live there. Plus it also matters about the vistors, who spend there hard earn cash which keep the locals in work. by local I mine anyone who works or lives in the town. As for rob and his out side workers, lets but a boarder arould gravesend and not let anyone who was not born in gravesend. The town would then be empty. how many times have you work out side off gravesend Rob? Or are you one of these sad people who has never left the town and you Ian get out about to see the world and you would then be happy to see the tower.
Been around the world many times, Doc!Just because I have roots here, dosen't mean I have not travelled.
When I go back to the Cayman Islands, in Jan, I hope there is not a tower block built right on the beach.

doc, gravesend says...
8:57am Sat 4 Oct 08

Yes I have as it go`s and I speak five language`s. maybe there will be no tower on the beach but I would bet you are staying in a large tower like hotal.

Mark, Dartford says...
9:06am Sat 4 Oct 08

What is a hotal?

Ian, Gravesend says...
9:16am Sat 4 Oct 08

doc wrote:
Yes I have as it go`s and I speak five language`s. maybe there will be no tower on the beach but I would bet you are staying in a large tower like hotal.
In English please.

ReV, Gravesend High Street says...
9:19am Sat 4 Oct 08

The tower plans seem abit thin to me, everyone seems to be just saying this huge tower is going to be good but not how or why, also it's going to COMPLETLY change the nature of the town.
Personally I love Gravesend, it's a lovely little place and quite thriving (at the moment) would hate to see it move down the lines of say Chatham.


Doc you may speak 5 languages but your a bloody awful speller!
;-)

doc, gravesend says...
9:46am Sat 4 Oct 08

English is thrid language, I can speak better then I write.
I used to live in a little village in India. So my aboulages

Ian, Gravesend says...
10:13am Sat 4 Oct 08

Try to be more convincing Doc!

Mark,, Datrford says...
10:15am Sat 4 Oct 08

I would like to say sorry to doc. For asking what a hotal was.
I know you were trying to say hotel.

Mark, Dartford says...
10:26am Sat 4 Oct 08

Mark, wrote:
I would like to say sorry to doc. For asking what a hotal was. I know you were trying to say hotel.
No, I did not post that.I can spell, and it is not Datrford.Are you in league, with the development?

doc, gravesend says...
10:30am Sat 4 Oct 08

I reget you do not trust me Ian,
But take it from me the tower will be for the good of gravesend.
I can say this because i have been involved in many of regenaration.

Mark, Dartford says...
10:36am Sat 4 Oct 08

That is not me. Posted at 10:26 today.
I am mark of Dartford.
I know there are a few of us called mark in dartford.
So please can you call yourself Mark two.

Mark 1, Dartford says...
10:49am Sat 4 Oct 08

Agreed. 'Suddenly 'there seems to be many Mark's. I think I was the first, but not sure.Therefore, I will post with a prefix or other .
'Doc' or 'Mark' from another poster is not me.

Ian, Gravesend says...
11:01am Sat 4 Oct 08

doc wrote:
I reget you do not trust me Ian, But take it from me the tower will be for the good of gravesend. I can say this because i have been involved in many of regenaration.
How many?

doc, gravesend says...
11:04am Sat 4 Oct 08

jusr the one

The Doctor, Galifrey says...
2:00pm Sat 4 Oct 08

I've been involved with 9 regenerations personaly...

d, gravesend says...
6:38pm Sat 4 Oct 08

The use of the word regeneration does not automatically mean something good. Having actually read the application I can state it is full of incorrect & misleading information together with out and out untrues.

Rob, Gravesend says...
8:47am Sun 5 Oct 08

Thanks for that d.
I have suspected that for some time.There are views on the plans,that do not look good.
It is all very well people making comments, when they actually do not live in the area .If they love Towers go and live by Canary Wharf.

Rob, Gravesend says...
8:44am Tue 7 Oct 08

What will happen to all the trees ( the few remaining) by St. Georges Church, part of the development?
Not a very green project.

Scott, Gravesend says...
3:10pm Tue 7 Oct 08

I have only lived in Gravesend for a few years and over that time have come to feel very much at home. After growing up in Welling (which although just down the road feels very much like the back end of London) Gravesend offers a small (ish) town environment with it's own character and history. I'm all for development, I think the new apartments around the marina do not detract from the maritme character or the recreational space of the river front. However I feel such a large 'modern' looking development, smack-bang in the middle of this heritage section of the town will be too incongruent and may quickly become an eye sore as the concrete blocks dotted around the centre of town have. Surley planners and residense can come up with ideas that enhance the area but are in keeping with the character which has evolved from its maritime and recreational history. To construct this tower right on top of one of the nicest (if in need of a little TLC) recreational areas in the town will be a mistake fueled by the making of money for the few. Why not invest the time and resourses in saving the shop fronts down the high street from all the plastic and glass and rejuvenating the river front with more low key development to bring people into a vibrant and mulit-cultural town for recreation and enjoyment.

Marie, Gravesend says...
4:03pm Tue 7 Oct 08

Would everyone be in favour of the tower if the developers wanted to build it right next door to them? I am all for regeneration but it must be in keeping with the character of the area. Building a 33 storey tower block in a historic area where no buildings are over 4 floors is madness. Its purely a way for the developers to make money.

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