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Police warn fans to behave ahead of Palace v Charlton
8:31am Tuesday 30th September 2008
FOOTBALL fans who engage in violence have been warned they could face jail ahead of tonight's south east London derby.
British Transport Police officers will be out in force for the game tonight between Crystal Palace and Charlton Athletic at Selhurst Park - which is expected to draw a 15,000 strong crowd.
At last year's fixture, fighting broke out on a train carrying Charlton Athletic supporters and members of the public including women, children and the elderly.
So far 10 Crystal Palace fans have been jailed for between 24 months to 40 months for their part in the disorder - described by the courts as "mob conduct at its worst".
They were also given football banning orders ranging from six to 10 years - preventing them from attending football matches in England and Wales and from entering any pub in the borough of Croydon during home matches.
They are also prevented from travelling on trains on any day when England or Crystal Palace play.
BTP football liaison officer PC Lee Garrett said: "This should serve as a stern warning to any football supporter who wants to engage in hooligan behaviour.
"The courts treat these incidents extremely seriously and if you engage in such offences you can expect to face jail and or be banned from attending matches."
He added: "We hope that fans will behave themselves during this fixture, although we're conscious that it's the first time the two sides have met at Selhurst Park since a serious disorder incident last year.
"We will have officers out in force across the rail network, including police dogs and the public order unit, and will be working with colleagues from the Met to ensure that fans get to and from the match in safety and that any potential trouble is dealt with as swiftly as possible."
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Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Terrace says...
9:47am Tue 30 Sep 08
Though not a football enthusiast myself, I imagine it must be annoying for real fans to be grouped under the same heading as morons whose idea of a good day out is fighting rival dummies.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
Excalibur, Bromley says...
9:57am Tue 30 Sep 08
And what sanctions do we give these morons when they assault people and destroy property? A long stretch inside? No, we reward them with a "football banning order", meaning they don't have to watch a bunch of prima donnas playing a dull an insipid game. Some punishment that is!
Fred, says...
10:09am Tue 30 Sep 08
matt, England says...
10:22am Tue 30 Sep 08
how can you say that about all football fans you obviously havn't got a clue. some people make me laugh
Chris Thompson, Kettering says...
10:23am Tue 30 Sep 08
han-thou comments.A dull,insipid game eh? Please explain its universal appeal.Your jealousy of the players' lifestyle is all too apparent.What a sad person you are.
Fred, says...
10:33am Tue 30 Sep 08
The Real Me, Here says...
11:53am Tue 30 Sep 08
Fred wrote:Im a model you know what I mean
Actually Chris, soccer is an English word. It comes from asSOCiation football, originally used to differentiate it from other games.
And I do my little turn on the catwalk
Yeah on the catwalk on the catwalk yeah
I shake my little touche on the catwalk
Chris Thompson, Kettering says...
12:50pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Fred, says...
12:56pm Tue 30 Sep 08
The most commonly held origin for it is this:
"The accepted origin of the word "soccer" is that its a contraction of the word "Association" with reference to "Association Football". The Football Association was formed in October 1863 when the rules were standardised by a meeting of eleven clubs. With one of the written rules now being that the carrying of the ball was not permitted this finally set in stone the biggest practical different between Association Football and Rugby Football. In 1889 the word as "socca", later it was "socker" in 1891 and finally seemed to settle on "soccer" by 1895. The word is supposed to have evolved in University slang, created by shortening the word "Association" and adding "er". They had other expressions such as "brekkers" for "breakfast" and "rugger" for "rugby."
Another view is that it is to do with the word 'sock'.
Either way it is most definitely an English word.
Joe, Bromley says...
1:20pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Chris Thompson wrote:How wrong you are! Soccer is VERY English - it comes from Association football, which was shortened to soc. football, which became soccer, like rugby became rugger.
Not one to generalise then Excalibur? For your information,the average football fan is an honest law abiding citizen.Soccer is an American word by the way,so put your own house in order before making disparaging,holier-t
han-thou comments.A dull,insipid game eh? Please explain its universal appeal.Your jealousy of the players' lifestyle is all too apparent.What a sad person you are.
So, Chris, you FAIL!
David, H Block says...
1:21pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Fred wrote:An education!
Chris, no, you\'re wrong. The use of the word soccer may be American now but its origin is very much English. The most commonly held origin for it is this: \"The accepted origin of the word \"soccer\" is that its a contraction of the word \"Association\" with reference to \"Association Football\". The Football Association was formed in October 1863 when the rules were standardised by a meeting of eleven clubs. With one of the written rules now being that the carrying of the ball was not permitted this finally set in stone the biggest practical different between Association Football and Rugby Football. In 1889 the word as \"socca\", later it was \"socker\" in 1891 and finally seemed to settle on \"soccer\" by 1895. The word is supposed to have evolved in University slang, created by shortening the word \"Association\" and adding \"er\". They had other expressions such as \"brekkers\" for \"breakfast\" and \"rugger\" for \"rugby.\" Another view is that it is to do with the word \'sock\'. Either way it is most definitely an English word.
My Prediction Charlton to win 1-0 like we have done during the last 3 visits to Selhurst!
I shall be in attendance in the Charlton end, I am looking forward to the Simon Jordan abuse that shall be dished out as well! RED ARMY!
Joe, Bromley says...
1:24pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Chris Thompson wrote:Again you are wrong, many of the old rugby clubs are still referred to as football clubs. Blackheath, for example, is still officially Blackheath Football club, even tho its a rugby club and always has been.
I can assure you Fred,soccer is an american word as 'football' to them is what we refer to as American football.There has never been any need in this country for an alternative word.Rugby football has always been known as rugby.
So again.... FAIL!
Charlton Fan, London says...
1:29pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Just because the clubs involved are smaller than AC Milan or Inter Milan, and the quality of football lesser, it does not mean the respective fans are any less passionate! This game DOES matter to Charlton and Palace fans as there has been a lot of recent history between the clubs and this is a genuine rivalry to compete with most other rivalries within the game; it's just not on the same scale as say a Tottenham/Arsenal.
Of course this does not excuse the violence. I'm hoping that tonight's game will pass without any trouble but I seriously doubt it as there are too many idiots in this world! The word 'hate' is often thrown around by Charlton and Palace fans. To these people, how about reserving hate for people who deserve it, such as Robert Mugabe, not someone in a different football shirt!
Fred, says...
1:38pm Tue 30 Sep 08
My point about the rivalry earlier was just to say I don't understand it. Everton v Liverpool or Tottenham v Arsenal at least usually have some meaning. Whoever wins might win the league or win a place in Europe. Palace v Charlton though, what's the point? The two 'derbies' merely determine who might finish 12th and who might finish 13th in the second tier of English football. Big deal! It's hardly anything to boast about for either team. Or a derby win might mean one team is the 'biggest' in the whole of south east London. Again, big deal!
charlton fan, woolwich says...
1:58pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Charlton Fan, London says...
2:09pm Tue 30 Sep 08
I can't agree with your argument I'm afraid. You're right that we aren't going to win the league, or become champions league winners, but we still care about beating our local rivals. Man City haven't seriously looked like challenging Man Utd for the title, but their fans still regard them as their main rivals. Same with Fulham fans who see Chelsea as their rivals. Ask a Leeds fan who he thinks is his club's rival and he will say 'Man Utd'. Work that one out!!
Addick, on my way.. says...
3:39pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Fred, says...
3:54pm Tue 30 Sep 08
RED ARMY, says...
3:59pm Tue 30 Sep 08
EAGLESSSS FAN, SE25 says...
4:26pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Jesus, Heaven says...
4:44pm Tue 30 Sep 08
David, H Block says...
5:04pm Tue 30 Sep 08
COME ON YOU REDS!!!!
londoner, says...
9:11pm Tue 30 Sep 08
i agree with Addick, at least we have proper fans who support their local team unlike other people who which footie teams whoever is at top of premiership.
GOD, UP ERE says...
10:11pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Jesus wrote:Go to your room son, and dont speak until your spoken to.
Can you all please act like civil human beings, I'm getting a terrible ear ache up here
Merchant Banker, Wall Street says...
10:34pm Tue 30 Sep 08
Steve, Cobham says...
3:13am Wed 1 Oct 08
Bit like cowards.
josh wilson, charlton says...
10:34am Thu 2 Oct 08
Eagle, Croydon says...
6:16pm Thu 2 Oct 08
josh wilson wrote:Sour grapes?
Tbh, i **** hate palace! Simon Jordan is a **** and so are there fans. Police are shitfaces.
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Mark, Dartford says...
9:22am Tue 30 Sep 08
It's a game, not important.