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Hospital takes precautions after hand wash drink fears

9:28am Thursday 14th August 2008

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By Matthew Jenkin »

HOSPITALS in the News Shopper area have been forced to take extra measures to stop people stealing and drinking an alcoholic hand wash.

Both Lewisham Hospital and Queen Mary's Hospital, in Sidcup, have moved the handwash which is used to fight superbugs such as MRSA, to more secure locations in the building's public areas.

The colourless gel contains 70 per cent alcohol and, according to homeless charity Thamesreach, there is a trend among people sleeping rough on the streets to drink it.

At Lewisham the handwash was moved from corridors to the inside of the wards where nurses can monitor its use.

The hospital says it made the decision in order to prevent people stealing and possibly misusing the hand wash, called Spirigel, which has been stolen from the building 10 times since last April.

A hospital spokesman said: "Cleanliness and safety for our patients is a priority and the impact caused by moving the hand wash is exactly the same as before."

Queen Mary's Hospital, in Sidcup, has also experienced problems with people attempting to drink the hand wash.

However, the hospital has now placed the gel behind the reception desk in A&E and patients have to ask if they need to use it.

A hospital spokesman said: "We don't allow it to be freely available in A&E as it is an area where we're likely to get a very small number of people who could potentially abuse the product."

Both Queen Elizabeth Hospital, in Woolwich and Darent Valley Hospital, in Kent, say they have had no reported incidents of theft or abuse of the product.

A spokesman for Bromley Hospitals Trust, which includes Princess Royal Hospital in Farnborough, says it has not experienced any problems but is monitoring the situation.

An inquest at Southwark Coroner's Court, on August 5, heard how two homeless eastern Europeans were found dead in a Streatham squat after drinking the gel in February.

In response to the deaths Thamesreach is now pushing for the manufacturers of the gel to take more responsibility.

A charity spokesman said: "The onus is now on the makers of these gels to clearly label how poisonous these products are, while removing, or at least concealing, the reference to alcohol content."


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Mark, Dartford says...
10:24am Thu 14 Aug 08

Well, this says it all.
How low has this country sunk?

gone4good, london says...
1:03pm Thu 14 Aug 08

Two pints of that stuff and your GO CLEAN ROUND THE BEND if mixed with Harpic?

Travis, Catford says...
2:10pm Thu 14 Aug 08

Something should be done to clear the winos from Rushey Green area,there are loads now all they do is cause trouble while drunk out of their tiny minds.From the Dss to the offy to the bench,what contribution do they make to our community?ONE DAY A REAL RAIN WILL COME AND WASH ALL THE SCUM OFF OF THE STREET.

l, barnehurst says...
2:12pm Thu 14 Aug 08

Mark wrote:
Well, this says it all. How low has this country sunk?

Mark, I couldn't agree more

MB, SE says...
2:22pm Thu 14 Aug 08

Why are they trying to put the responsibility on the makers of this? It's not their fault; it's not the Hospitals fault. If people are desperate and stupid enough to do this, then good luck to them. This will eventually help to clean up our streets.

Let’s all hand this stuff out!

PINK, BEXLEY says...
5:27pm Thu 14 Aug 08

Give the wino's free bottles of the stuff but fill it up with urine from the samples given by the patients.

Jack, Charlton says...
6:44pm Thu 14 Aug 08

What happened to good old 'Meths'? I agree with MB why is it always someones elses fault or responsibilty stop people doing things to themselves.

Justice League, Outer space says...
12:29am Fri 15 Aug 08

It's not rocket science to realise hand gel is going to be poisonous even at 70% alcohol... let them drink it I say... it's natures chlorine in the gene pool imho.

Bun123, says...
2:19am Fri 15 Aug 08

How sad for these poor folk. Nobody chooses to become an alcoholic. There but for the grace of God....

Saul, Catford says...
3:25am Fri 15 Aug 08

Bun123 wrote:
How sad for these poor folk. Nobody chooses to become an alcoholic. There but for the grace of God....
Choosing to become an alchohlic or not is irrelevant here,many people who have an alcohol and/or drug problem DO NOT resort to stealing valuble N.H.S resources in order to prolong their ineberated state.An alchohol dependency does not give people an excuse to commit crime or act anti socially.There is no God so his grace would also be irrelevant here.

yes, says...
8:01am Fri 15 Aug 08

So the hospials put it there for free so we can clean our hands and stop bugs spreading...and these low life bright spark vermin come along and stealit ???? I hope they catch mrsa and it kills em the stupid sick idiots, better still add a little something to it that will kill the filth in seconds. Ive had enough of scum bags thinking they can just take what they want. Drain covers being stolen, car exhausts for the cats, if this **** government got hard it would stop ! but instead of cutting the thieving pond lifes hands off, they give em a holiday or a pat on the back ffs !
As for the idiot that wrote no one choses to become an alchy ????? so what some one stood with a gun to their head day after day forcing them to drink booze did they you moron !

knowlsey, sidcup says...
8:26am Fri 15 Aug 08

Bun 123 are you an alcoholic,I mean you seem to know more sbout it than these other clowns.

lisa, London says...
8:43am Fri 15 Aug 08

Bun 123, how can you say that people do not chose to be come a alcoholic. They pick up the drink, they drink the drink. Everybody in this world has a choice in what they do in life, and these people have choose to drink their life away. I have no respect for people like this.

Sorry to rant but people make me so mad when they say they do choose it....

Mark, Dartford says...
10:04am Fri 15 Aug 08

From what I have studied, alcoholism, can be a genetic disease. I am not making excuses, for these people,but always try to see both sides.
It is still no excuse, however, to deplete an important part of hospital cleanliness.

easy solution, here says...
10:57am Fri 15 Aug 08

Why don't they put something in it that when ingested, will cause vomiting or better still a slow painful death. Problem(s) solved

dip, says...
12:41pm Fri 15 Aug 08

oh great idea "easy solution" so if you have a cut on your hands and you rub the gel in, it could into your blood stream you may die ? dont rule it out

easy solution, here says...
10:21pm Fri 15 Aug 08

The first part of my post was serious, and it's easy to do and wouldn't cause a problem if it goes into a cut. If you think the second part is a serious option, you should get out more. Idiot.

me, says...
7:48pm Sat 16 Aug 08

how silly to say that alcoholics choose to be that way, it is an illness and/or a coping method, usually ro self medicate to deal with stress, mental illness etc, and no, im not an alcoholic but i have worked with many people with addictions, many of them have had some horiffic life experiences. These people must be desperate to drink that stuff. if you have seen someone go into alcohol withdrawal, it is terrible for them and you can die from it. Some people should educate themselves before leaving stuck up messages.

dip, says...
9:14am Mon 18 Aug 08

easy solution wrote:
The first part of my post was serious, and it's easy to do and wouldn't cause a problem if it goes into a cut. If you think the second part is a serious option, you should get out more. Idiot.
I think you should take your own advice. Oh and dont try to be funny - it doesnt work. You just sound pathetic. Many thanks.

Steve, Space says...
7:00pm Tue 19 Aug 08

In a hospital, full of all these clever degree educated people with letters after their names, with all the cutting edge technology that we have that make our hospitals the envy of the world.....

....am I the only person that thinks it sensible to put this loopy juice in a lockable dispenser?!?!?!??

Dont take it away from the responsible ppl that use it to stop the spread of infection

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