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Discuss: Banning the word chav

10:03am Thursday 17th July 2008

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By Simon Bull »

HEAR the word chav and what comes into your mind? If a think tank has its way you might not hear the word for much longer.

The word chav has been around for a long time - believed to be a travellers' word for friend or a Romany word for child.

It has become a widely used word in the past five years, usually a derogatory term to refer to the dress or behaviour of a young Vicky Pollard type character.

The common stereotype for a chav is big earrings and pulled-back hair for a woman or bling jewellery and baseball caps for men, usually accompanied by designer sportswear and a brash attitude.

Now the left-wing think tank the Fabian Society wants people to stop using the slang term as it is a form of "class hatred" against the young working class.

The society says the word is a "sneering and patronising" put-down which is offensive to many people.

Dictionaries refer to a chav being a person of "low social status" or "uneducated and ignorant".

What do you think? Should the word chav be outlawed? Is the use of it just light-hearted fun-poking, an example of snobbery or is it more serious and offensive than that? If someone called you a chav would you get upset? The word 'pikey' is now deemed to be a racist offence, so should the same apply to chav? Add your comments below.


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JAYJAY, HERE says...
10:26am Thu 17 Jul 08

The loony left wing once again trying to tell us how to think and speak.

If I want to use the word CHAV then I will and no-one is going to tell me different.

Legions of pram-faced chavs with their offspring claiming benefits to keep them in cheap tatty jewellery and hairbands to perfect their Croydon Facelift hairdos.

Freedom of Speech, isn't that was this country is supposed to be about yet we are constantly told not to say things for fear of upsetting one or another portion of society. Well I will say what I think please or offend.

mt, says...
10:43am Thu 17 Jul 08

if they did ban it, i'm sure a few replacment words would be used instead..

Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Armchair says...
10:55am Thu 17 Jul 08

Your Lord prefers to use the word scum over chav but has been known to describe certain individuals as scummy chavs, so I wonder the politically correct morons think of that?

Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott

C, Dartford says...
11:25am Thu 17 Jul 08

Another case of loony Political Correctness. Do we live in a free country any more? Remember George Orwell's 1984? If you control the use of language you eventually control the society. Long live free speech!

Roman, Chislehurst says...
12:29pm Thu 17 Jul 08

If it becomes outlawed like other racist demeaning words, such as Pi**y, n*gg*R, P*ki, then you will all have no choice but to not use the word or face arrest and a criminal record I'm afraid.
But, and this is the same with all racist comments words or remarks, they can tell you what you can and cant say and arrest you for it, but they will never stop us thinking and saying what we please in our own homes and minds. Ask the chavs what they think, because for me it doesnt mean any of what they have said, to me it is a young person who wears burberry and bling, to them its a fashion statement and they are quite happy to be called chavs, else why would they dress and act in the manor to which we are acustomed to seeing chavs dress if they considered it to be derogatory, surely even a chav cant really be that dumb ? can they ?

James, Dartford says...
1:06pm Thu 17 Jul 08

I am interested to read the etymology of the word put forward here. My understanding was thet it was a much newer word and originated in the Medway towns where "Chav" meant a person from Charham, used as a derogatory term by those from Rochester looking down on their neighbours.

The authorities may try to outlaw use of particulalr language but this can never be enforced, other than in official documents which do not use the term anyway.

Freedom of speech is indeed a fine cause to uphold but with freedom comes a certain responsibility to exercise the good grace and kindness of spirit to know when it is prudent to self-moderate and refrain from using needlessly inflamatory language.

C, Dartford says...
1:36pm Thu 17 Jul 08

I agree with banning 'racist demeaning words'; however if 'chav' is a 'class hatred' word, presumably I can't use it unless I'm white and on benefits? (Oops - perhaps I should now be saying 'ch*v')
:)

Upper Class, says...
1:39pm Thu 17 Jul 08

If you enter 'chav' in wikipedia you will get a fairly detailed explanation of it's possible origins... and some famous examples of modern day chavs! makes for interesting reading..

UC

sam, dartford says...
1:59pm Thu 17 Jul 08

i put the word chav in the wikipedia, and it describes a generation of people who have never worked for a living, sponged of the goverment, their mates, and the tax payer, and wears hooped earrings, or sovereign rings to think themselves better

chavvie, chatham says...
2:24pm Thu 17 Jul 08

James wrote:
I am interested to read the etymology of the word put forward here. My understanding was thet it was a much newer word and originated in the Medway towns where "Chav" meant a person from Charham, used as a derogatory term by those from Rochester looking down on their neighbours.

The authorities may try to outlaw use of particulalr language but this can never be enforced, other than in official documents which do not use the term anyway.

Freedom of speech is indeed a fine cause to uphold but with freedom comes a certain responsibility to exercise the good grace and kindness of spirit to know when it is prudent to self-moderate and refrain from using needlessly inflamatory language.
From Chatham not Chartham, I am unfortunately an original Chav!!

chavvie, chatham says...
2:26pm Thu 17 Jul 08

Enter Chav on argos website! LOL

chav, chav land says...
2:27pm Thu 17 Jul 08

Roman wrote:
If it becomes outlawed like other racist demeaning words, such as Pi**y, n*gg*R, P*ki, then you will all have no choice but to not use the word or face arrest and a criminal record I\\\'m afraid. But, and this is the same with all racist comments words or remarks, they can tell you what you can and cant say and arrest you for it, but they will never stop us thinking and saying what we please in our own homes and minds. Ask the chavs what they think, because for me it doesnt mean any of what they have said, to me it is a young person who wears burberry and bling, to them its a fashion statement and they are quite happy to be called chavs, else why would they dress and act in the manor to which we are acustomed to seeing chavs dress if they considered it to be derogatory, surely even a chav cant really be that dumb ? can they ?
y dont you do one you mug and get a life

mememe, does it matter says...
6:46pm Thu 17 Jul 08

chav means 'a waste of space doughnut whoes mum dresses them like idiots with brains like sieves' end of !!!!!!!!!!

Let's Agree To Differ, says...
9:42pm Thu 17 Jul 08

Forget about arguing over the word origin and its ability to offend. Just ban chavs? Problem solved!


Rhi, says...
10:17pm Thu 17 Jul 08

I think if the word chav is banned because people fell "persured" by it, shouldn't you ban words like Emo goth punk Ect because those are equally mean and horrible

Geoff, Northfleet says...
5:28am Fri 18 Jul 08

Chav comes from the word Chavillion, which in Ancient Greek times, meant Large and White horse like on the horizon.

Phil, barnehurst says...
7:26pm Fri 18 Jul 08

Chav means 'Council House and Violent'! end of story!

Anti-chav, Londonium says...
8:53pm Fri 18 Jul 08

CHAV? C-heap H-ollow A-nd V-ulgar.

If the chav's can't read this take off your burberry caps!

Mad Earwig, kent says...
1:55pm Sat 19 Jul 08

We all know what a 'chav' represents...usually a low life, under educated, normally quite ugly person with little or no morals or values. These people love fast food, football eastenders and have trouble with the English language. In my lexicon, there are levels of 'chavness' called 'Scudders' and 'Sh*tkickers' but the ultimate is the ever increasing 'Scutters' These are people who normally hang around outside shops with nothing to do, because there is nothing going on inside their heads apart from which mobile phone to get next...Britain has lost its place in the World.

doc, cool kid says...
5:01pm Sat 19 Jul 08

wo wo all you lot.
I am the king of the chavs
I have my berrabriy hat on **** my beer look at all the chaves ,
We are the fasion off this countray. ENGLAND!!! ENGLAND !!!!
DO WE NOT MAKE YOU PROUND TO BE ENGLISH

Gypo, says...
8:30pm Sat 19 Jul 08

Will Chav be like the 'N' word ? Its all rite fer some black people to use the 'N' word. Even Jesse Jackson called em 'Ns'. So we can calls a Chav, a Chav.

Gota go see Doc, and me Chavies dahn the pub cuz, OK .

B Reynolds, Gravesend says...
10:23pm Tue 22 Jul 08

The word Chav should not be stopped as it quite clearly defines a social group who deliberately choose and want to be known as uneducated and ignorant; it's their badge of honour. If the word chave is offensive to some, so what, I find that group offensive in themselves. It's about time the do gooders concentrated on the real problems with this group and make them all part of the tax paying society.

Mike, Petts Wood says...
10:27pm Sun 17 Aug 08

We can't ban the word chav honestly, these people need to learn to change and become useful members of society. Besides they alweays put everyone else down so why should we not give them a taste of their own medicine.

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