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3:29pm Tuesday 1st July 2008
RESIDENTS opposed to plans to build a giant new Tesco store in Bexleyheath have started their campaign against the project with a protest meeting.
More than 100 people turned up to the meeting in the Scout headquarters in Mayplace Road West, Bexleyheath, to voice their concerns.
The meeting was chaired by Erith Road resident Claire Summerfield and speakers included Bexleyheath and Crayford MP David Evennett, ward councillor Simon Windle and prospective Labour party candidate for Bexleyheath and Crayford Howard Dawber.
The residents hope to form a new group, the Bexleyheath Community Involvement Association (BCIA), to present a united front to fight the plan to build the megastore, which would be up to seven storeys high, on the site of the former Woolwich headquarters in Erith Road, Bexleyheath.
An 11,000 sq m store with 400 homes built around and above it feature in the plans.
People are worried about the extra traffic the store will bring to the narrow roads surrounding the site, the density of the proposals and the effect on other local businesses.
The meeting heard estimates the store would need 100,000 customers a week to break even and it would attract 1,000 cars and 100 lorries in a 12-hour day.
Residents have used website tescopoly.org to research the impact of similar stores elsewhere in the country.
After Tesco confirmed it had lodged a planning application with Bexley Council, residents were urged to write letters of objection as soon as possible by Ms Summerfield.
Mr Evennett and Cllr Windle told residents they felt the site was inappropriate for a megastore and said they opposed the project on traffic and environmental grounds.
Mr Dawber agreed, saying: "If it goes ahead, we will lose the chance to have a more comprehensive redevelopment of the Bexleyheath centre area, possibly forever.
He pledged to work with the Tories to defeat the proposals.
To find out more about joining the new BCIA, email tescono@googlemail.com
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sandra, bexleyheath says...
4:16pm Tue 1 Jul 08
LC wrote:I agree,about time bexleyheath had a tesco, anything other than another rip off sainsburys! I was bemused as to why they built the sainsburys in the broadway as the one in crayford is so near! welcome to bexleyheath tesco!
"100 people attended the meeting" ... is that all? Hurry up Tesco's I can't wait. It's about time we had a decent supermarket in the area. And as for the traffic, its a busy road anyway so it won't make any difference.
Harry Brown, Belvedere says...
5:03pm Tue 1 Jul 08
Tesco seems to be in the process of building loads of massive stores across the country to kill off the small local independent stores such as greengrocers and butchers who can't compete.
The next phase will be to wage war against the other supermarkets through measures such as ruthless price cutting to drive them out of areas where Tesco are based.
After this, when Tesco are the only surviving big supermarket chain, they will be able to whack up prices, hold consumers to ransom and suffocate the market.
It's all fine and dandy now having these lovely new Tesco stores appear everywhere across the area, but what's it going to be like in five or ten years' time?
sandra, bexleyheath says...
5:43pm Tue 1 Jul 08
c shell, bexley says...
9:55pm Tue 1 Jul 08
I can't see the logic in creating yet another supermarket as people these days don't seem to have the luxury of choosing where to shop! That's why Aldi and Lidl's profits are up, people are turning to them because we are experiencing very hard times at the moment.
v, says...
1:42pm Wed 2 Jul 08
Mike, Bexleyheath says...
8:16pm Wed 2 Jul 08
Folks, this store is going to be the size of the Thurrock one. Do you really want the associated air pollution killing your kids ?
ajk, Bexleyheath says...
8:18pm Wed 2 Jul 08
BLUEWATER = mainly affluent shoppers
TESCO = mainly chavs
There will also be an extra 400 hundred homes taking up valuable places in our local schools, GP Surgery and dentists, so more waiting lists for all you short sighted imbecillic people!!
The Blower, Bexleyheath says...
9:54am Thu 3 Jul 08
Interesting that the Cllr should say "the site was inappropriate", rather than Tesco was inappropriate for Bexleyheath. They wouldn't be setting up a storm, then saying it's OK we've solved the problem.. Tesco's will now build on the civic offices! Surely they wouldn't would they???
Terrece Bondage, Almost found the perfect grey cardigan in Matalans after trying on 5 says...
10:05am Thu 3 Jul 08
I have had a cunning plan, we find John Stewart and force him to buy back the Woolwich from Barclays, we then do "ranch" in reverse and get everything back on woolwich systems. We then sue Barclays for stealing our openplan product and it's back like it was before 2000.
Sorted.
The Goat, Asda says...
10:25am Thu 3 Jul 08
You are objecting on environmental grounds... well what is the environmental impact of having to drive to Lakeside instead? You people should stop moaning.
Bexleyheath house prices are more expessive than everywhere else, you get all the council money invested in your local shops and you have the cheek, yes cheek, to moan!
If you don't like it - move to Sidcup or Welling, where the council have produced high streets of boarded up shops!
TESS, Erith says...
2:05pm Thu 3 Jul 08
sandra wrote:Couldnt agree more Sandra, We moved to Bexley 3 years ago from Woolwich (immigrant capital of london) i was so pleased my kids school was 98% british, no immigrants spitting all over the playground and parents spitting and the disgusting holding the one nostil and blow habbit.Ahh that was then, Now 60% british and all the above mentioned habbits are now a dailey accurance. We are moving aboad ASAP.
Well in 5-10 years time Bexley will be over populated with immigrants so tesco's will be killed off with more lidl's! Plus I like other respectful brits who have had enough of England will be somewhere nice, so it wont bother me. Hurry Tesco im spending far too much money in sainsbury
I LOVE TESCO!!!!!
David Bakare, Foots Cray says...
2:05pm Thu 3 Jul 08
TESS, Erith says...
2:07pm Thu 3 Jul 08
Zdenka, Bexleyheath says...
2:09pm Thu 3 Jul 08
TESS wrote:"We are moving abroad"... then you'll be the immigrants!!!
sandra wrote: Well in 5-10 years time Bexley will be over populated with immigrants so tesco\'s will be killed off with more lidl\'s! Plus I like other respectful brits who have had enough of England will be somewhere nice, so it wont bother me. Hurry Tesco im spending far too much money in sainsburyCouldnt agree more Sandra, We moved to Bexley 3 years ago from Woolwich (immigrant capital of london) i was so pleased my kids school was 98% british, no immigrants spitting all over the playground and parents spitting and the disgusting holding the one nostil and blow habbit.Ahh that was then, Now 60% british and all the above mentioned habbits are now a dailey accurance. We are moving aboad ASAP. I LOVE TESCO!!!!!
I bet you read the Daily Mail!
TESS, Erith says...
2:17pm Thu 3 Jul 08
2. We will be respectfull immigrants.
SABL, Crayford says...
2:23pm Thu 3 Jul 08
Zdenka, Bexleyheath says...
2:33pm Thu 3 Jul 08
TESS wrote:Why has a conversation about Tesco's turned in to a slur on immigration.
1,I dont read the Daily Mail. 2. We will be respectfull immigrants.
We're not to blame... you lot are for shopping in Tesco's. Of course they want to expand and take more of your money.
Jay Dubya, Kent says...
2:35pm Thu 3 Jul 08
I have nothing to say apart from that interesting fact.
Crispin SFD, Currently in M&S Food hall buying shoes says...
2:54pm Thu 3 Jul 08
As longs as Squeaky shoe man doesn't go to tesco's then I'm happy.
Petra, EU says...
3:14pm Thu 3 Jul 08
Terrence Bondage, At the till with my grey cardigan purchase says...
4:20pm Thu 3 Jul 08
Big Boyz In da Hooze, Bexleyheath says...
8:19am Fri 4 Jul 08
fink takin on Tesco iz gonna get no were az dey iz big boyz
Mike Wemms, London says...
9:21am Fri 4 Jul 08
The other figures of 1000 cars and 100 lorries in 12 hrs( nearly all Tesco deliveries are supplied from our depots,thus reducing direct delivery and are trucked at night}has been invented by the organisers of this meeting - clearly people with their own selfish agenda, people who cannot see forward and are resistant to any sort of progress and change.
Mr Blogger, Somewhere out there says...
3:23pm Fri 4 Jul 08
Mike Wemms wrote:Think you are right... typical "not on my doorstep" responce from them all. Having said that I don't think it is the best site to build such a store on, simply based on the road layout there. The shuttle bus to the local stations (hopefully Bexleyheath and Barnhurst) is an excellent idea though. It's about time someone linked the stations with the highstreets.
100 people attending a meeting is not representative of the People libing in the catchment area.Tesco will bring jobs and a much needed quality shopping experience to the location. As for requiring 100000 - this figure is invented. The stores turnover to make it viable is based on product mix The Retail sector average supermarket spend per person per week inclusive of non food items ( which Tesco will stock) is for 2007 - £48.54. The other figures of 1000 cars and 100 lorries in 12 hrs( nearly all Tesco deliveries are supplied from our depots,thus reducing direct delivery and are trucked at night}has been invented by the organisers of this meeting - clearly people with their own selfish agenda, people who cannot see forward and are resistant to any sort of progress and change.
Bandy Leggs, Bexley says...
3:25pm Fri 4 Jul 08
Hopefully Tesco's being in Bexleyheath will trigger the Welling branch being bulldozed... that place is an absolute dump and a disgrace to the Tesco brand.
Sure in it's current state it won't be able to compete once the Morrisons opens on the old CO-OP site in Welling!
Mike Wemms, London says...
7:23pm Fri 4 Jul 08
Bandy Leggs wrote:The Welling store will be closed if the new site is given the green light.All the staff will be transferred.
It's about time we had some decent shops in Bexley. If Tesco can trigger their arrival then all the better.
Hopefully Tesco's being in Bexleyheath will trigger the Welling branch being bulldozed... that place is an absolute dump and a disgrace to the Tesco brand.
Sure in it's current state it won't be able to compete once the Morrisons opens on the old CO-OP site in Welling!
Phil, barnehurst says...
12:48pm Mon 7 Jul 08
Paul Cardosi, Canary Wharf says...
2:01pm Mon 7 Jul 08
Bandy Leggs, Bexley says...
10:41pm Mon 7 Jul 08
Mike Wemms wrote:Thank the lord for that... best news I've heard.
Bandy Leggs wrote: It's about time we had some decent shops in Bexley. If Tesco can trigger their arrival then all the better. Hopefully Tesco's being in Bexleyheath will trigger the Welling branch being bulldozed... that place is an absolute dump and a disgrace to the Tesco brand. Sure in it's current state it won't be able to compete once the Morrisons opens on the old CO-OP site in Welling!The Welling store will be closed if the new site is given the green light.All the staff will be transferred.
Where can I sign the "I'm in favour of Tesco's in Bexleyheath" petition?
Freddie, Erith says...
11:07pm Mon 7 Jul 08
I also like Tescos socks.
Tim, Bexleyheath says...
11:11pm Mon 7 Jul 08
Mike Wemms wrote:Oh yeah, by "people with their own selfish agenda, people who cannot see forward and are resistant to any sort of progress and change." do you mean the people that will be woken at midnight buy another Tesco's delivery?
100 people attending a meeting is not representative of the People libing in the catchment area.Tesco will bring jobs and a much needed quality shopping experience to the location. As for requiring 100000 - this figure is invented. The stores turnover to make it viable is based on product mix The Retail sector average supermarket spend per person per week inclusive of non food items ( which Tesco will stock) is for 2007 - £48.54. The other figures of 1000 cars and 100 lorries in 12 hrs( nearly all Tesco deliveries are supplied from our depots,thus reducing direct delivery and are trucked at night}has been invented by the organisers of this meeting - clearly people with their own selfish agenda, people who cannot see forward and are resistant to any sort of progress and change.
Mike Wemms, London says...
7:36am Tue 8 Jul 08
It is normal that there are usually a few highly vocal objectors to plans at this stage who are highly unrepresentative of the majority of people living in the area.
"Empty Vessels make the most noise" springs to mind.
ajk, Bexleyheath says...
11:50pm Tue 8 Jul 08
Mike Wemms wrote:I don't knwo where you are getting your information from, BUT IT'S WRONG!
Your fears are unfounded.A store of this size would receive around 6-10 Articulated lorries per day and atound 10-12 small direct supplied vechiles.Evening deliveries are the norm.Night time deliveries would not happen for a site in this type of location.
It is normal that there are usually a few highly vocal objectors to plans at this stage who are highly unrepresentative of the majority of people living in the area.
"Empty Vessels make the most noise" springs to mind.
An 11000 sq metre store needs 100,000 customers a week, that's 1000 cars per hour, 100+ HGV lorry deliverys a day
All this has been independently verified by www.tescopoly.org
And local supermarkets Erith Morrisons and Bexleyheath Asda mangers haver verified these figures also... they should know.
Where are you getting your figures from Mike... do you work for Tesco PR department by any chance?
Mike Wemms, London says...
4:36pm Wed 9 Jul 08
ajk wrote:I suggest that you get the facts from a independent source as what you have written is totally inaccurate.
Mike Wemms wrote:I don't knwo where you are getting your information from, BUT IT'S WRONG!
Your fears are unfounded.A store of this size would receive around 6-10 Articulated lorries per day and atound 10-12 small direct supplied vechiles.Evening deliveries are the norm.Night time deliveries would not happen for a site in this type of location.
It is normal that there are usually a few highly vocal objectors to plans at this stage who are highly unrepresentative of the majority of people living in the area.
"Empty Vessels make the most noise" springs to mind.
An 11000 sq metre store needs 100,000 customers a week, that's 1000 cars per hour, 100+ HGV lorry deliverys a day
All this has been independently verified by www.tescopoly.org
And local supermarkets Erith Morrisons and Bexleyheath Asda mangers haver verified these figures also... they should know.
Where are you getting your figures from Mike... do you work for Tesco PR department by any chance?
The source you list TESCOPOLY is anti Tesco and provides inaccurate information deliberatly.
Managers from other companies would not verify these figures as it would be against their policy. If however this is the case I challenge you to ask them to provide written signed letters to the effect so that a sensible debate can be held.
If you really want to see hom many lorries and cars enter a TESCO during the course of a day (and night) I suggest that you visit two or three of a similiar size and count them over a week. You will then see that all the info you have provided is completely inaccurate.
I look forward to you submitting some accurate information.
ajk, Bexleyheath says...
10:53pm Thu 10 Jul 08
Mike Wemms wrote:These have been independently verified at another Tesco store of 7000 sqm with an accurate count of 876 cars per hour (not the lower misleading trip rates per square metre that you Tesco people like to quote)!
ajk wrote:I suggest that you get the facts from a independent source as what you have written is totally inaccurate.
Mike Wemms wrote:I don\\\\\\\'t knwo where you are getting your information from, BUT IT\\\\\\\'S WRONG!
Your fears are unfounded.A store of this size would receive around 6-10 Articulated lorries per day and atound 10-12 small direct supplied vechiles.Evening deliveries are the norm.Night time deliveries would not happen for a site in this type of location.
It is normal that there are usually a few highly vocal objectors to plans at this stage who are highly unrepresentative of the majority of people living in the area.
\\\\\\\"Empty Vessels make the most noise\\\\\\\" springs to mind.
An 11000 sq metre store needs 100,000 customers a week, that\\\\\\\'s 1000 cars per hour, 100+ HGV lorry deliverys a day
All this has been independently verified by www.tescopoly.org
And local supermarkets Erith Morrisons and Bexleyheath Asda mangers haver verified these figures also... they should know.
Where are you getting your figures from Mike... do you work for Tesco PR department by any chance?
The source you list TESCOPOLY is anti Tesco and provides inaccurate information deliberatly.
Managers from other companies would not verify these figures as it would be against their policy. If however this is the case I challenge you to ask them to provide written signed letters to the effect so that a sensible debate can be held.
If you really want to see hom many lorries and cars enter a TESCO during the course of a day (and night) I suggest that you visit two or three of a similiar size and count them over a week. You will then see that all the info you have provided is completely inaccurate.
I look forward to you submitting some accurate information.
The Bexleyheath Tesco will now be a massive 16,000 sqm so do the sums and you will now get an extra 1600+ cars per hour and 120+ HGV's (38 Tonne) in an already congested area...
Do you know this area at all "Mike Wemms (former Tesco Directory) from London" (search his name on google)
Now the planning applications are in You can verify all this information and details and you can also object.
object to this massive overdevelopment at www.bexley.gov.uk application ref no. 08/07470/OUTM and 08/07482/OUTM.
Cmon' "Mike Wemms (former Tesco Director) from London" What you gonna come back with now?
ajk, Bexleyheath says...
10:58pm Thu 10 Jul 08
Application ref1: 08/07470/OUTM - http://publicaccess.
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Toffee, beckenham says...
11:12pm Thu 10 Jul 08
You are talking nonsence and just scaremongering because you personally dont like Tesco
People like you dont like progress and would have obkected to the wheel being invented....!
Mr Tesco, Tesco City says...
9:59am Fri 11 Jul 08
ajk wrote:and where can I register my support for the planning application???
To object online click on links below then click on Submit Comments, fill in your details and comments and ensure that you select object to the planning application Application ref1: 08/07470/OUTM - http://publicaccess. bexley.gov.uk/public access/tdc/DcApplica tion/application_det ailview.aspx?caseno= K2PD2JBE00Q00 Application ref2: 08/07482/OUTM - http://publicaccess. bexley.gov.uk/public access/tdc/DcApplica tion/application_det ailview.aspx?caseno= K2PLL6BE00Q00
ajk, Bexleyheath says...
11:09am Fri 11 Jul 08
Toffee wrote:Toffee - I like Tesco, I shop in Tesco, I even have Tesco Shares. But this build shouldn't be allowed in a residential area.
ajk- 1600 cars per hour - 120 hgvs - your figures are crap. I work at a Tesco with a weekly sales of 3.8m average.We do not receive any thing like the amount og HGVs you describe. You are talking nonsence and just scaremongering because you personally dont like Tesco People like you dont like progress and would have obkected to the wheel being invented....!
If you work in Tesco then you should know that a 16,000sqm megastore should be in a retail park... not surrounded on all sides by houses and backing on to residents gardens.
If you don't believe me about the amount of traffic generated then stand outside Tesco in Thurrock (a third smaller than this megastore) and count the cars in like we have... nothing like first hand experience to get all the proof you want... (what are the traffice count figures you are going to make up by the way)
tThe Blower, Bexley says...
1:57pm Mon 14 Jul 08
This is just a political storm being created to allow the council to moe in to the Woolwich HQ, whilst demolishing the entire civic offices.
On a lighter note, I hear that Morrison is also looking at buying a shop in Bexleyheath. Not sure where though.
The Blower, Bexley on says...
1:41pm Wed 16 Jul 08
tThe Blower wrote:...check out the article about the civic offices. Hate to say it but told you so.
Come on guys... Tesco's is never going to be built on the old Woolwich, it's going to be built on the Civic offices site. This is just a political storm being created to allow the council to moe in to the Woolwich HQ, whilst demolishing the entire civic offices. On a lighter note, I hear that Morrison is also looking at buying a shop in Bexleyheath. Not sure where though.
If anything needs blowing - give us a call!!!
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