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Bin collection shake-up
FORTNIGHTLY collections for non-recyclable waste could be introduced as Bromley Council looks to cut the amount going to landfill sites.
A council report argues that because the Government increased landfill tax considerably, it has to look for new ways to manage the borough's waste.
Its recommendations include a new weekly food waste and newspaper collection. Glass, cans and plastic bottles for the green box would continue to be collected every two weeks.
Non-recyclable waste would only be collected once every two weeks.
Portfolio holder for environment and leisure, Councillor Colin Smith, said: "Residents can be assured that every measure will be carefully thought out and looked at from experiences from elsewhere.
"What Bromley will never do is have fortnightly collections for all waste. That is not a route we would ever take."
The Tory councillor said that residents would not be left with waste that could smell and attract vermin, which is why the weekly food collection would be introduced borough-wide.
He said: "People are very keen to do their bit.
"We realise that some people will ask questions and some will be ardently against it but we take the view leadership isn't about taking the easy decisions.
"All this is the reconfiguration of recycling and residual waste."
It is suggested that the new plan would be phased in over a period of time, aiming to be complete by October 2009.
There have been 4,833 properties taking part in a weekly food collection trial so this would be extended to all 31,000 properties.
The estimated cost of changing the waste collection system would be £1.73m.
The Waste Collection Options report is due to be discussed at a meeting on May 28.
9:52am Thursday 22nd May 2008
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CommentPosted by: MICHELLE, at home on 10:27am Thu 22 May 08
Sounds like the same bright spark who works for Greenwich Council has been employed by Bromley too.Non recycling waste once a fortnight ie cat litter,dog waste,soiled nappies,used sanitary products.Greenwich expect us to put them in a black sack and leave them in the house or in the garden for 2 weeks.They smell lovely and what about vermin like rat's,mice,flies etc that these bags attract.Its no wonder people are dumping this filthy waste in the streets,in feilds or skips.I hope that Bromley residents don't have to put up with this,we Greenwich residents have no choice and our complaints have been ignored.As long as the council are saving money so that the big wigs keep getting their fat salaries who cares about
DOG S--T being dumped here there and every where.
Sounds like the same bright spark who works for Greenwich Council has been employed by Bromley too.Non recycling waste once a fortnight ie cat litter,dog waste,soiled nappies,used sanitary products.Greenwich expect us to put them in a black sack and leave them in the house or in the garden for 2 weeks.They smell lovely and what about vermin like rat's,mice,flies etc that these bags attract.Its no wonder people are dumping this filthy waste in the streets,in feilds or skips.I hope that Bromley residents don't have to put up with this,we Greenwich residents have no choice and our complaints have been ignored.As long as the council are saving money so that the big wigs keep getting their fat salaries who cares about
DOG S--T being dumped here there and every where.
Posted by: fedup, orpington on 10:42am Thu 22 May 08
bromley's rubbish collection is already crap, with rubbish being strewn down the street and bins and boxes thrown across driveways. what makes the council think glass, plastic and cans don't need to be emptied every week? we constantly have to take stuff to the bottle bank in between collections. And how does Bromley propose to limit the amount on non-recyclable rubbish which will be collected? and how is this to be stored over a two week period? And when are we going to be consulted - or is that a stupid question to ask our arrogant councillors?
bromley's rubbish collection is already crap, with rubbish being strewn down the street and bins and boxes thrown across driveways. what makes the council think glass, plastic and cans don't need to be emptied every week? we constantly have to take stuff to the bottle bank in between collections. And how does Bromley propose to limit the amount on non-recyclable rubbish which will be collected? and how is this to be stored over a two week period? And when are we going to be consulted - or is that a stupid question to ask our arrogant councillors?
Posted by: Joe, Bromley on 11:18am Thu 22 May 08
It could work, if people adhere to it. If food waste is collected weekly, then there should not be a problem, as it is really only the food waste that rots and smells. HOWEVER. Bromley Council must ensure that the bin men do their jobs properly.
Every week I have to clear up tins and bottles from the pavement, as the bin men throw the rubbish into their wheelie bins, 1/2 of it falls out, and the do not bother to clear up the mess after them. The result - rubbish all over the street and pavement.
The other consideration is what people do in small houses that have no storage for rubbish? Where will they keep the rubbish?
Finally, if you cannot reduce your rubbish - take it all back to the supermarket. If enough people start doing this, then maybe they will take note. They have all these campaigns about plastic bags, which is minuscule compared to the ammount of plastic in their packaging. So Tesco etc al - REDUCE YOUR PACKAGING. Its also up to us to buy the lower packaging products!
It could work, if people adhere to it. If food waste is collected weekly, then there should not be a problem, as it is really only the food waste that rots and smells. HOWEVER. Bromley Council must ensure that the bin men do their jobs properly.
Every week I have to clear up tins and bottles from the pavement, as the bin men throw the rubbish into their wheelie bins, 1/2 of it falls out, and the do not bother to clear up the mess after them. The result - rubbish all over the street and pavement.
The other consideration is what people do in small houses that have no storage for rubbish? Where will they keep the rubbish?
Finally, if you cannot reduce your rubbish - take it all back to the supermarket. If enough people start doing this, then maybe they will take note. They have all these campaigns about plastic bags, which is minuscule compared to the ammount of plastic in their packaging. So Tesco etc al - REDUCE YOUR PACKAGING. Its also up to us to buy the lower packaging products!
Posted by: Bob, Beckenham on 11:25am Thu 22 May 08
Good comments. But why is it Bromley insists on only collecting plastic bottles. Most of the plastic containers can now be recycled so why can't we do it, they take up so much room in the bags and I'm not talking about ready cooked meal packaging.
Good comments. But why is it Bromley insists on only collecting plastic bottles. Most of the plastic containers can now be recycled so why can't we do it, they take up so much room in the bags and I'm not talking about ready cooked meal packaging.
Posted by: joe, orpington on 11:30am Thu 22 May 08
Give every house a wheelie bin and it might work,them recycling boxes are to small.Bexley have given every property two big bins,it's working their.
Give every house a wheelie bin and it might work,them recycling boxes are to small.Bexley have given every property two big bins,it's working their.
Posted by: michelle, at home on 11:32am Thu 22 May 08
To Jo in Bromley - only food waste smells ??? what about cat litter,dog waste,nappies,used sanitary products- they smell too but are not recycleable and not food and so would have to be collected fornightly.would you fancy that hanging about in your house or garden for 2 weeks ??????
To Jo in Bromley - only food waste smells ??? what about cat litter,dog waste,nappies,used sanitary products- they smell too but are not recycleable and not food and so would have to be collected fornightly.would you fancy that hanging about in your house or garden for 2 weeks ??????
Posted by: Joe, Bromley on 12:12pm Thu 22 May 08
`Fair comment michelle, as I dont have dogs, cats, babies, and am not a woman - I didn't immediatly think of that! But you are right.
`Fair comment michelle, as I dont have dogs, cats, babies, and am not a woman - I didn't immediatly think of that! But you are right.
Posted by: genie on 12:15pm Thu 22 May 08
Its just not going to work is it, you will find as I am regular fly tipping of materials where the council then have to send men in a vehicle to clear it away, do they then recycle this or just take it to the dump?? its all aload of old rubbish (pardon the pun) you will get more bonfires and rubbish dumping as a result of all this, great for the environment wouldn't you say
Its just not going to work is it, you will find as I am regular fly tipping of materials where the council then have to send men in a vehicle to clear it away, do they then recycle this or just take it to the dump?? its all aload of old rubbish (pardon the pun) you will get more bonfires and rubbish dumping as a result of all this, great for the environment wouldn't you say
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 12:20pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]MICHELLE[/bold] wrote:
Sounds like the same bright spark who works for Greenwich Council has been employed by Bromley too.Non recycling waste once a fortnight ie cat litter,dog waste,soiled nappies,used sanitary products.Greenwich expect us to put them in a black sack and leave them in the house or in the garden for 2 weeks.They smell lovely and what about vermin like rat's,mice,flies etc that these bags attract.Its no wonder people are dumping this filthy waste in the streets,in feilds or skips.I hope that Bromley residents don't have to put up with this,we Greenwich residents have no choice and our complaints have been ignored.As long as the council are saving money so that the big wigs keep getting their fat salaries who cares about DOG S--T being dumped here there and every where.[/quote]
OK ....
Any specific extra questions please fire away on : colin.smith@bromley.
gov.uk
In the meanwhile :
1/ Note the word "could" in the report.The idea is being looked at in principle
2/ Disposable nappies are a problem and thought is being given as to how best to deal with them.
Some parents may choose to join the "Real nappy" programme to avoid the problem all together, others clearly won't.
Similarly the double plastic bagging of pet excretia could be the answer.
It could be that larger bins are required in certain households ; perhaps they may need to be added to the special collection lists. All these things need to be discussed and nailed down.
It certainly WONT be like the Greenwich scheme. That's precisely why we are watching, waiting and seeing how other Borough's progress their schemes first to ensure we avoid similar mistakes.
It would be easy to blame the European Union and the Government for raising these taxes and forcing such measures on Council's across the UK and in many respects they are clearly overplaying their hands (as usual).
One things for certain if we do nothing though. Council tax will soar.
MICHELLE wrote:
Sounds like the same bright spark who works for Greenwich Council has been employed by Bromley too.Non recycling waste once a fortnight ie cat litter,dog waste,soiled nappies,used sanitary products.Greenwich expect us to put them in a black sack and leave them in the house or in the garden for 2 weeks.They smell lovely and what about vermin like rat's,mice,flies etc that these bags attract.Its no wonder people are dumping this filthy waste in the streets,in feilds or skips.I hope that Bromley residents don't have to put up with this,we Greenwich residents have no choice and our complaints have been ignored.As long as the council are saving money so that the big wigs keep getting their fat salaries who cares about DOG S--T being dumped here there and every where.
OK ....
Any specific extra questions please fire away on : colin.smith@bromley.
gov.uk
In the meanwhile :
1/ Note the word "could" in the report.The idea is being looked at in principle
2/ Disposable nappies are a problem and thought is being given as to how best to deal with them.
Some parents may choose to join the "Real nappy" programme to avoid the problem all together, others clearly won't.
Similarly the double plastic bagging of pet excretia could be the answer.
It could be that larger bins are required in certain households ; perhaps they may need to be added to the special collection lists. All these things need to be discussed and nailed down.
It certainly WONT be like the Greenwich scheme. That's precisely why we are watching, waiting and seeing how other Borough's progress their schemes first to ensure we avoid similar mistakes.
It would be easy to blame the European Union and the Government for raising these taxes and forcing such measures on Council's across the UK and in many respects they are clearly overplaying their hands (as usual).
One things for certain if we do nothing though. Council tax will soar.
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 12:42pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]fedup[/bold] wrote:
bromley's rubbish collection is already crap, with rubbish being strewn down the street and bins and boxes thrown across driveways. what makes the council think glass, plastic and cans don't need to be emptied every week? we constantly have to take stuff to the bottle bank in between collections. And how does Bromley propose to limit the amount on non-recyclable rubbish which will be collected? and how is this to be stored over a two week period? And when are we going to be consulted - or is that a stupid question to ask our arrogant councillors?[/quote] It's a shame you feel this way 'fed-up'.
One small point of interest and a word of advice.
1/ Missed bin collections are at their lowest level ever in the Borough
2/ If collection crews on your 'beat' are either dropping rubbish and not picking it up or throwing boxes back into inconvenient places please report the shortcomings to the Council's help desk and your local Councillors.
If the faults aren't reported, those responsible can't be spoken to by their managers.
One of the benefits this scheme will bring if it's introduced is that Paper will become collectable weekly as the test have evidenced that it yields more.
We have our eyes on Tins, Bottles & Plastic (Bottles) but at the moment Paper is being prioritised due to its weight and value.
fedup wrote:
bromley's rubbish collection is already crap, with rubbish being strewn down the street and bins and boxes thrown across driveways. what makes the council think glass, plastic and cans don't need to be emptied every week? we constantly have to take stuff to the bottle bank in between collections. And how does Bromley propose to limit the amount on non-recyclable rubbish which will be collected? and how is this to be stored over a two week period? And when are we going to be consulted - or is that a stupid question to ask our arrogant councillors?
It's a shame you feel this way 'fed-up'.
One small point of interest and a word of advice.
1/ Missed bin collections are at their lowest level ever in the Borough
2/ If collection crews on your 'beat' are either dropping rubbish and not picking it up or throwing boxes back into inconvenient places please report the shortcomings to the Council's help desk and your local Councillors.
If the faults aren't reported, those responsible can't be spoken to by their managers.
One of the benefits this scheme will bring if it's introduced is that Paper will become collectable weekly as the test have evidenced that it yields more.
We have our eyes on Tins, Bottles & Plastic (Bottles) but at the moment Paper is being prioritised due to its weight and value.
Posted by: The Other Joe, Bromley on 12:43pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]Cllr Colin Smith[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]MICHELLE[/bold] wrote:
Sounds like the same bright spark who works for Greenwich Council has been employed by Bromley too.Non recycling waste once a fortnight ie cat litter,dog waste,soiled nappies,used sanitary products.Greenwich expect us to put them in a black sack and leave them in the house or in the garden for 2 weeks.They smell lovely and what about vermin like rat's,mice,flies etc that these bags attract.Its no wonder people are dumping this filthy waste in the streets,in feilds or skips.I hope that Bromley residents don't have to put up with this,we Greenwich residents have no choice and our complaints have been ignored.As long as the council are saving money so that the big wigs keep getting their fat salaries who cares about DOG S--T being dumped here there and every where.[/quote]
OK ....
Any specific extra questions please fire away on : colin.smith@bromley.
gov.uk
In the meanwhile :
1/ Note the word "could" in the report.The idea is being looked at in principle
2/ Disposable nappies are a problem and thought is being given as to how best to deal with them.
Some parents may choose to join the "Real nappy" programme to avoid the problem all together, others clearly won't.
Similarly the double plastic bagging of pet excretia could be the answer.
It could be that larger bins are required in certain households ; perhaps they may need to be added to the special collection lists. All these things need to be discussed and nailed down.
It certainly WONT be like the Greenwich scheme. That's precisely why we are watching, waiting and seeing how other Borough's progress their schemes first to ensure we avoid similar mistakes.
It would be easy to blame the European Union and the Government for raising these taxes and forcing such measures on Council's across the UK and in many respects they are clearly overplaying their hands (as usual).
One things for certain if we do nothing though. Council tax will soar.[/quote] Great to see you interacting here Councellor, I hope you really do take in the concerns of residents.
Isn't there a conflict here going on tho. We are being encouraged to use less plastic bags etc. BUT to do this 2 weekly collection all non-recyclable waste will have to be "double wrapped".
Well with what? - carrier bags? I dont get then anymore, so am I supposed to buy bags just to throw stuff out?
Cllr Colin Smith wrote:
MICHELLE wrote:
Sounds like the same bright spark who works for Greenwich Council has been employed by Bromley too.Non recycling waste once a fortnight ie cat litter,dog waste,soiled nappies,used sanitary products.Greenwich expect us to put them in a black sack and leave them in the house or in the garden for 2 weeks.They smell lovely and what about vermin like rat's,mice,flies etc that these bags attract.Its no wonder people are dumping this filthy waste in the streets,in feilds or skips.I hope that Bromley residents don't have to put up with this,we Greenwich residents have no choice and our complaints have been ignored.As long as the council are saving money so that the big wigs keep getting their fat salaries who cares about DOG S--T being dumped here there and every where.
OK ....
Any specific extra questions please fire away on : colin.smith@bromley.
gov.uk
In the meanwhile :
1/ Note the word "could" in the report.The idea is being looked at in principle
2/ Disposable nappies are a problem and thought is being given as to how best to deal with them.
Some parents may choose to join the "Real nappy" programme to avoid the problem all together, others clearly won't.
Similarly the double plastic bagging of pet excretia could be the answer.
It could be that larger bins are required in certain households ; perhaps they may need to be added to the special collection lists. All these things need to be discussed and nailed down.
It certainly WONT be like the Greenwich scheme. That's precisely why we are watching, waiting and seeing how other Borough's progress their schemes first to ensure we avoid similar mistakes.
It would be easy to blame the European Union and the Government for raising these taxes and forcing such measures on Council's across the UK and in many respects they are clearly overplaying their hands (as usual).
One things for certain if we do nothing though. Council tax will soar.
Great to see you interacting here Councellor, I hope you really do take in the concerns of residents.
Isn't there a conflict here going on tho. We are being encouraged to use less plastic bags etc. BUT to do this 2 weekly collection all non-recyclable waste will have to be "double wrapped".
Well with what? - carrier bags? I dont get then anymore, so am I supposed to buy bags just to throw stuff out?
Posted by: j, bromley on 12:49pm Thu 22 May 08
Another cut back.
This is fine by me as long as the council reduce my council tax of over £2100.00 a year.
They won't though,all they do is pass the blame on to central goverment like they always do.
Another cut back.
This is fine by me as long as the council reduce my council tax of over £2100.00 a year.
They won't though,all they do is pass the blame on to central goverment like they always do.
Posted by: Charlton Average, Charlton on 12:52pm Thu 22 May 08
Greenwich's bin scheme should work quite well. Smelly waste that isn't collected every week we simply tie up in a small bin bag and keep it in our usual bin. Animal waste and sanitary waste haven't been a problem at all. We don't even fill a single black bin bag every two weeks so storage isn't an issue.
As for nappies, well Greenwich should take them every week. However their track record for doing so is very poor. They might manage it 2 out of 3 weeks but sacks of nappies mouldering in the street are a semi-regular sight now.
As with the nappies the problem with the scheme in Greenwich is the implementation. A small, but significant, minority of residents perpetually do the "wrong" thing. Black sacks are put out in the wrong week, and sit there rotting and being torn apart by animals until the next bi-weekly collection. The "wrong" sort of waste is put into the bins and the bins then aren't emptied. So they sit there, over spilling, and smelling.
Greenwich Council don't seem willing or able to do anything about those. I've been in contact with my Councillors for about two months now and nothing's really changed.
So if Bromley are going to do it residents have got to push the Council on promises that they will abide by their collection schedule and make sure that they have plans for what happens with people who ignore the new scheme.
Sticking your head in the sand, Greenwich Council style, just makes our streets an eyesore and a health hazard.
Greenwich's bin scheme should work quite well. Smelly waste that isn't collected every week we simply tie up in a small bin bag and keep it in our usual bin. Animal waste and sanitary waste haven't been a problem at all. We don't even fill a single black bin bag every two weeks so storage isn't an issue.
As for nappies, well Greenwich should take them every week. However their track record for doing so is very poor. They might manage it 2 out of 3 weeks but sacks of nappies mouldering in the street are a semi-regular sight now.
As with the nappies the problem with the scheme in Greenwich is the implementation. A small, but significant, minority of residents perpetually do the "wrong" thing. Black sacks are put out in the wrong week, and sit there rotting and being torn apart by animals until the next bi-weekly collection. The "wrong" sort of waste is put into the bins and the bins then aren't emptied. So they sit there, over spilling, and smelling.
Greenwich Council don't seem willing or able to do anything about those. I've been in contact with my Councillors for about two months now and nothing's really changed.
So if Bromley are going to do it residents have got to push the Council on promises that they will abide by their collection schedule and make sure that they have plans for what happens with people who ignore the new scheme.
Sticking your head in the sand, Greenwich Council style, just makes our streets an eyesore and a health hazard.
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 1:05pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]Joe[/bold] wrote:
It could work, if people adhere to it. If food waste is collected weekly, then there should not be a problem, as it is really only the food waste that rots and smells. HOWEVER. Bromley Council must ensure that the bin men do their jobs properly. Every week I have to clear up tins and bottles from the pavement, as the bin men throw the rubbish into their wheelie bins, 1/2 of it falls out, and the do not bother to clear up the mess after them. The result - rubbish all over the street and pavement. The other consideration is what people do in small houses that have no storage for rubbish? Where will they keep the rubbish? Finally, if you cannot reduce your rubbish - take it all back to the supermarket. If enough people start doing this, then maybe they will take note. They have all these campaigns about plastic bags, which is minuscule compared to the ammount of plastic in their packaging. So Tesco etc al - REDUCE YOUR PACKAGING. Its also up to us to buy the lower packaging products![/quote] It can work Joe and does elsewhere in places that previously haven't been able to hold a candle to Bromley.
Clearly we aren't going to do anything prematurely and certainly won't roll out anything this side of late Autumn under any circumstances to ensure that even if we do go ahead, it won't be during the warm weather with the additional problems that brings.
I hope you've seen my earlier comment about any performance issues you are seeing locally. Please report them, copying in your local Ward Councillors.
Your point about house sizes is a reasonable one but this has been something that has looked at during the trial and be found to work.
Again, as posted previously, individual households may have particular problems that will need to be considered at greater length.
Flats for example have been excluded from this process as the excellent results achieved for households during the trials, didn't extend to the flat trials.
Your final paragraph is plain common sense and addresses the crux of the problem.
Waste minimisation - not producing waste in the first place - is clearly far preferable to recycling, which in turn is far preferable to incineration/landfil
l.
Government and Regional bodies can and must do more to make such changes a statutory requirement. Consumer power can help by punishing those who don't comply.
For the here and now though we're left struggling to manage the consequences !
Joe wrote:
It could work, if people adhere to it. If food waste is collected weekly, then there should not be a problem, as it is really only the food waste that rots and smells. HOWEVER. Bromley Council must ensure that the bin men do their jobs properly. Every week I have to clear up tins and bottles from the pavement, as the bin men throw the rubbish into their wheelie bins, 1/2 of it falls out, and the do not bother to clear up the mess after them. The result - rubbish all over the street and pavement. The other consideration is what people do in small houses that have no storage for rubbish? Where will they keep the rubbish? Finally, if you cannot reduce your rubbish - take it all back to the supermarket. If enough people start doing this, then maybe they will take note. They have all these campaigns about plastic bags, which is minuscule compared to the ammount of plastic in their packaging. So Tesco etc al - REDUCE YOUR PACKAGING. Its also up to us to buy the lower packaging products!
It can work Joe and does elsewhere in places that previously haven't been able to hold a candle to Bromley.
Clearly we aren't going to do anything prematurely and certainly won't roll out anything this side of late Autumn under any circumstances to ensure that even if we do go ahead, it won't be during the warm weather with the additional problems that brings.
I hope you've seen my earlier comment about any performance issues you are seeing locally. Please report them, copying in your local Ward Councillors.
Your point about house sizes is a reasonable one but this has been something that has looked at during the trial and be found to work.
Again, as posted previously, individual households may have particular problems that will need to be considered at greater length.
Flats for example have been excluded from this process as the excellent results achieved for households during the trials, didn't extend to the flat trials.
Your final paragraph is plain common sense and addresses the crux of the problem.
Waste minimisation - not producing waste in the first place - is clearly far preferable to recycling, which in turn is far preferable to incineration/landfil
l.
Government and Regional bodies can and must do more to make such changes a statutory requirement. Consumer power can help by punishing those who don't comply.
For the here and now though we're left struggling to manage the consequences !
Posted by: j, bromley on 1:09pm Thu 22 May 08
Leave the service alone.
I compost and recycle as much as I can. My bin is full up of all the rubbish I have to pick up in my spare time from the local school. Because the street bins are overflowing.
I'm not sure how long I will continue to do this for.
I think you'll find that 90% of people think they are not getting good value from this council.Tory or Labour you are all the same.
Now I know what my £2100 council tax is being spent on.
Buy a new Jaguar for the Mayor to be driven around in.
Leave the service alone.
I compost and recycle as much as I can. My bin is full up of all the rubbish I have to pick up in my spare time from the local school. Because the street bins are overflowing.
I'm not sure how long I will continue to do this for.
I think you'll find that 90% of people think they are not getting good value from this council.Tory or Labour you are all the same.
Now I know what my £2100 council tax is being spent on.
Buy a new Jaguar for the Mayor to be driven around in.
Posted by: paul, Orpington on 1:10pm Thu 22 May 08
"Wont bother me!! I shall just dump it in the street"! Like everyone else will.
It could be a smelly summer. Just 1 question: WHAT THE HELL DO I PAY POLL TAX FOR???
"Wont bother me!! I shall just dump it in the street"! Like everyone else will.
It could be a smelly summer. Just 1 question: WHAT THE HELL DO I PAY POLL TAX FOR???
Posted by: Charlie, Bromley on 1:19pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]paul[/bold] wrote:
"Wont bother me!! I shall just dump it in the street"! Like everyone else will.
It could be a smelly summer. Just 1 question: WHAT THE HELL DO I PAY POLL TAX FOR???[/quote] You havent paid Poll Tax since 1991!
paul wrote:
"Wont bother me!! I shall just dump it in the street"! Like everyone else will.
It could be a smelly summer. Just 1 question: WHAT THE HELL DO I PAY POLL TAX FOR???
You havent paid Poll Tax since 1991!
Posted by: Liza, Blackheath on 1:20pm Thu 22 May 08
They can collect my waste once amonth for all I care. all I know is I shall not be hording it up in my garden or house. :)
They can collect my waste once amonth for all I care. all I know is I shall not be hording it up in my garden or house. :)
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 1:22pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]Bob[/bold] wrote:
Good comments. But why is it Bromley insists on only collecting plastic bottles. Most of the plastic containers can now be recycled so why can't we do it, they take up so much room in the bags and I'm not talking about ready cooked meal packaging.[/quote] Bob, the most oft asked question but a very important one.
In short, almost evey plastic bottle is made of types '1' '2' & '3' which can be mixed and recycled together.
Although a few (for example) meat trays, yoghurt pots etc are as well, the vast majority aren't and when mixed together causes the bulk of the material available to us (Bottles) to declared "contaminated" by our outlets who then reject them, potentially consigning whole batches to incineration unecessarily.
Its a case of necessary sacrifice at the moment as the plastics recycling markets continues to play catch up with other (unsurprisingly) higher value commodities that are easier to collect, split and remarket.
The moment we can find an outlet to dispose of other such plastics, you can rest assured we will.
It is also not withouta certain irony that a certain degree of plastic in incinerated rubbish is a very good thing as it keep the burn temperature at the maximise the volume of green electricty that gets produced in that manner.
When plastics eventually become separated from this type of residual waste, energy yields will fall requiring more fossils fuels to be used to replace it.
The attached weblink may also be of interest :
http://www.wasteonli
ne.org.uk/resources/
InformationSheets/Pl
astics.htm
Bob wrote:
Good comments. But why is it Bromley insists on only collecting plastic bottles. Most of the plastic containers can now be recycled so why can't we do it, they take up so much room in the bags and I'm not talking about ready cooked meal packaging.
Bob, the most oft asked question but a very important one.
In short, almost evey plastic bottle is made of types '1' '2' & '3' which can be mixed and recycled together.
Although a few (for example) meat trays, yoghurt pots etc are as well, the vast majority aren't and when mixed together causes the bulk of the material available to us (Bottles) to declared "contaminated" by our outlets who then reject them, potentially consigning whole batches to incineration unecessarily.
Its a case of necessary sacrifice at the moment as the plastics recycling markets continues to play catch up with other (unsurprisingly) higher value commodities that are easier to collect, split and remarket.
The moment we can find an outlet to dispose of other such plastics, you can rest assured we will.
It is also not withouta certain irony that a certain degree of plastic in incinerated rubbish is a very good thing as it keep the burn temperature at the maximise the volume of green electricty that gets produced in that manner.
When plastics eventually become separated from this type of residual waste, energy yields will fall requiring more fossils fuels to be used to replace it.
The attached weblink may also be of interest :
http://www.wasteonli
ne.org.uk/resources/
InformationSheets/Pl
astics.htm
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 1:47pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]The Other Joe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Cllr Colin Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]MICHELLE[/bold] wrote: Sounds like the same bright spark who works for Greenwich Council has been employed by Bromley too.Non recycling waste once a fortnight ie cat litter,dog waste,soiled nappies,used sanitary products.Greenwich expect us to put them in a black sack and leave them in the house or in the garden for 2 weeks.They smell lovely and what about vermin like rat\'s,mice,flies etc that these bags attract.Its no wonder people are dumping this filthy waste in the streets,in feilds or skips.I hope that Bromley residents don\'t have to put up with this,we Greenwich residents have no choice and our complaints have been ignored.As long as the council are saving money so that the big wigs keep getting their fat salaries who cares about DOG S--T being dumped here there and every where.[/quote] OK .... Any specific extra questions please fire away on : colin.smith@bromley. gov.uk In the meanwhile : 1/ Note the word \"could\" in the report.The idea is being looked at in principle 2/ Disposable nappies are a problem and thought is being given as to how best to deal with them. Some parents may choose to join the \"Real nappy\" programme to avoid the problem all together, others clearly won\'t. Similarly the double plastic bagging of pet excretia could be the answer. It could be that larger bins are required in certain households ; perhaps they may need to be added to the special collection lists. All these things need to be discussed and nailed down. It certainly WONT be like the Greenwich scheme. That\'s precisely why we are watching, waiting and seeing how other Borough\'s progress their schemes first to ensure we avoid similar mistakes. It would be easy to blame the European Union and the Government for raising these taxes and forcing such measures on Council\'s across the UK and in many respects they are clearly overplaying their hands (as usual). One things for certain if we do nothing though. Council tax will soar.[/quote] Great to see you interacting here Councellor, I hope you really do take in the concerns of residents. Isn\'t there a conflict here going on tho. We are being encouraged to use less plastic bags etc. BUT to do this 2 weekly collection all non-recyclable waste will have to be \"double wrapped\". Well with what? - carrier bags? I dont get then anymore, so am I supposed to buy bags just to throw stuff out? [/quote] Thanks Other Joe, to be honest I am a little disappointed that the article was written in terms of downgrading to 'fortnightly' collections rather than extolling the enhancement up to an extra weekly food recycling collection (with paper being upgraded to weekly at the same time) but there go.......
I take the point (about plastic bags potentially costing 10p or so a shot)
No obvious answer to that one I regret.
I'm personally not convinced with the proposal FWIW as I think whilst ticking the 'environmental populist' box on the one hand and it deals with the ugly problem of bags in trees, it doesn't fully address peoples practical real life needs.
If the (food recycling) scheme progresses there will be something of a trade off though as 'you' would be using less plastic bags in your residual bin due to more food waste that was being discarded in them originally, instead being diverted to the weekly food recycling bin (in biodegradable paper bags) instead.
The Other Joe wrote:
Cllr Colin Smith wrote: MICHELLE wrote: Sounds like the same bright spark who works for Greenwich Council has been employed by Bromley too.Non recycling waste once a fortnight ie cat litter,dog waste,soiled nappies,used sanitary products.Greenwich expect us to put them in a black sack and leave them in the house or in the garden for 2 weeks.They smell lovely and what about vermin like rat\'s,mice,flies etc that these bags attract.Its no wonder people are dumping this filthy waste in the streets,in feilds or skips.I hope that Bromley residents don\'t have to put up with this,we Greenwich residents have no choice and our complaints have been ignored.As long as the council are saving money so that the big wigs keep getting their fat salaries who cares about DOG S--T being dumped here there and every where.
OK .... Any specific extra questions please fire away on : colin.smith@bromley. gov.uk In the meanwhile : 1/ Note the word \"could\" in the report.The idea is being looked at in principle 2/ Disposable nappies are a problem and thought is being given as to how best to deal with them. Some parents may choose to join the \"Real nappy\" programme to avoid the problem all together, others clearly won\'t. Similarly the double plastic bagging of pet excretia could be the answer. It could be that larger bins are required in certain households ; perhaps they may need to be added to the special collection lists. All these things need to be discussed and nailed down. It certainly WONT be like the Greenwich scheme. That\'s precisely why we are watching, waiting and seeing how other Borough\'s progress their schemes first to ensure we avoid similar mistakes. It would be easy to blame the European Union and the Government for raising these taxes and forcing such measures on Council\'s across the UK and in many respects they are clearly overplaying their hands (as usual). One things for certain if we do nothing though. Council tax will soar.
Great to see you interacting here Councellor, I hope you really do take in the concerns of residents. Isn\'t there a conflict here going on tho. We are being encouraged to use less plastic bags etc. BUT to do this 2 weekly collection all non-recyclable waste will have to be \"double wrapped\". Well with what? - carrier bags? I dont get then anymore, so am I supposed to buy bags just to throw stuff out?
Thanks Other Joe, to be honest I am a little disappointed that the article was written in terms of downgrading to 'fortnightly' collections rather than extolling the enhancement up to an extra weekly food recycling collection (with paper being upgraded to weekly at the same time) but there go.......
I take the point (about plastic bags potentially costing 10p or so a shot)
No obvious answer to that one I regret.
I'm personally not convinced with the proposal FWIW as I think whilst ticking the 'environmental populist' box on the one hand and it deals with the ugly problem of bags in trees, it doesn't fully address peoples practical real life needs.
If the (food recycling) scheme progresses there will be something of a trade off though as 'you' would be using less plastic bags in your residual bin due to more food waste that was being discarded in them originally, instead being diverted to the weekly food recycling bin (in biodegradable paper bags) instead.
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 1:54pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]j[/bold] wrote:
Another cut back. This is fine by me as long as the council reduce my council tax of over £2100.00 a year. They won't though,all they do is pass the blame on to central goverment like they always do. [/quote] Absolutely not a cut back.
It's an extra service designed to save you excessive Council Tax rises in the future and maintain Bromley's record as the lowest Council Taxing Borough in Outer London (unless you include Newham which is bizarrely classed as such)despite being the second lowest recipients of Government grant in the Capital (behind Richmond)
You might think paying us insufficient Grant and doubling the price of Landfill Tax is a go idea (do you ?) but you can't deny the facts.
j wrote:
Another cut back. This is fine by me as long as the council reduce my council tax of over £2100.00 a year. They won't though,all they do is pass the blame on to central goverment like they always do.
Absolutely not a cut back.
It's an extra service designed to save you excessive Council Tax rises in the future and maintain Bromley's record as the lowest Council Taxing Borough in Outer London (unless you include Newham which is bizarrely classed as such)despite being the second lowest recipients of Government grant in the Capital (behind Richmond)
You might think paying us insufficient Grant and doubling the price of Landfill Tax is a go idea (do you ?) but you can't deny the facts.
Posted by: Eagles Man, Anerley on 1:57pm Thu 22 May 08
This is going to happen anyway - but surely it's a good thing that we're moving to WEEKLY collections of recycling and still collecting food waste weekly - at the moment my green bin is regularly near overflowing.
And if it forces the minority to start puling their fingers out and recycling then good!
Oh, and my dog waste gets buried in the garden - as would cat litter if I had one!
This is going to happen anyway - but surely it's a good thing that we're moving to WEEKLY collections of recycling and still collecting food waste weekly - at the moment my green bin is regularly near overflowing.
And if it forces the minority to start puling their fingers out and recycling then good!
Oh, and my dog waste gets buried in the garden - as would cat litter if I had one!
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 2:01pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]Charlton Average[/bold] wrote:
Greenwich's bin scheme should work quite well. Smelly waste that isn't collected every week we simply tie up in a small bin bag and keep it in our usual bin. Animal waste and sanitary waste haven't been a problem at all. We don't even fill a single black bin bag every two weeks so storage isn't an issue. As for nappies, well Greenwich should take them every week. However their track record for doing so is very poor. They might manage it 2 out of 3 weeks but sacks of nappies mouldering in the street are a semi-regular sight now. As with the nappies the problem with the scheme in Greenwich is the implementation. A small, but significant, minority of residents perpetually do the "wrong" thing. Black sacks are put out in the wrong week, and sit there rotting and being torn apart by animals until the next bi-weekly collection. The "wrong" sort of waste is put into the bins and the bins then aren't emptied. So they sit there, over spilling, and smelling. Greenwich Council don't seem willing or able to do anything about those. I've been in contact with my Councillors for about two months now and nothing's really changed. So if Bromley are going to do it residents have got to push the Council on promises that they will abide by their collection schedule and make sure that they have plans for what happens with people who ignore the new scheme. Sticking your head in the sand, Greenwich Council style, just makes our streets an eyesore and a health hazard. [/quote] I'm loathe to criticise another Council, even one of a different political hue as every Council is moving in this direction and doing so as best they can, but we won't be using Greenwich's model.
Your point about service delivery is absolutely spot on.
I couldn't agree more.
If it is progressed it absolutely has to work properly or people will quickly disengage.
Charlton Average wrote:
Greenwich's bin scheme should work quite well. Smelly waste that isn't collected every week we simply tie up in a small bin bag and keep it in our usual bin. Animal waste and sanitary waste haven't been a problem at all. We don't even fill a single black bin bag every two weeks so storage isn't an issue. As for nappies, well Greenwich should take them every week. However their track record for doing so is very poor. They might manage it 2 out of 3 weeks but sacks of nappies mouldering in the street are a semi-regular sight now. As with the nappies the problem with the scheme in Greenwich is the implementation. A small, but significant, minority of residents perpetually do the "wrong" thing. Black sacks are put out in the wrong week, and sit there rotting and being torn apart by animals until the next bi-weekly collection. The "wrong" sort of waste is put into the bins and the bins then aren't emptied. So they sit there, over spilling, and smelling. Greenwich Council don't seem willing or able to do anything about those. I've been in contact with my Councillors for about two months now and nothing's really changed. So if Bromley are going to do it residents have got to push the Council on promises that they will abide by their collection schedule and make sure that they have plans for what happens with people who ignore the new scheme. Sticking your head in the sand, Greenwich Council style, just makes our streets an eyesore and a health hazard.
I'm loathe to criticise another Council, even one of a different political hue as every Council is moving in this direction and doing so as best they can, but we won't be using Greenwich's model.
Your point about service delivery is absolutely spot on.
I couldn't agree more.
If it is progressed it absolutely has to work properly or people will quickly disengage.
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 2:11pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]j[/bold] wrote:
Leave the service alone. I compost and recycle as much as I can. My bin is full up of all the rubbish I have to pick up in my spare time from the local school. Because the street bins are overflowing. I'm not sure how long I will continue to do this for. I think you'll find that 90% of people think they are not getting good value from this council.Tory or Labour you are all the same. Now I know what my £2100 council tax is being spent on. Buy a new Jaguar for the Mayor to be driven around in. [/quote]
If your street bins are overflowing and need emptying more often call the Council, or me if you prefer, and we'll arrange for it to happen.
Your view of the Council is noted but it's the reverse of what the recent (independent) MORI opinion poll survey revealed.
Would you like your Council Tax bill to go up significantly over the next few years ? Doing nothing is an option.
Your opinion on the mayors car is one view.
Many take the view that the Queens first citizen of Borough is an office that performs a great deal of good works for local charities and is something to be proud off. I happen to be amount them
It is an office that comes with commensurate dignity and class.
However, at the end of the day it's one man's view against another. We shall have to disagree
j wrote:
Leave the service alone. I compost and recycle as much as I can. My bin is full up of all the rubbish I have to pick up in my spare time from the local school. Because the street bins are overflowing. I'm not sure how long I will continue to do this for. I think you'll find that 90% of people think they are not getting good value from this council.Tory or Labour you are all the same. Now I know what my £2100 council tax is being spent on. Buy a new Jaguar for the Mayor to be driven around in.
If your street bins are overflowing and need emptying more often call the Council, or me if you prefer, and we'll arrange for it to happen.
Your view of the Council is noted but it's the reverse of what the recent (independent) MORI opinion poll survey revealed.
Would you like your Council Tax bill to go up significantly over the next few years ? Doing nothing is an option.
Your opinion on the mayors car is one view.
Many take the view that the Queens first citizen of Borough is an office that performs a great deal of good works for local charities and is something to be proud off. I happen to be amount them
It is an office that comes with commensurate dignity and class.
However, at the end of the day it's one man's view against another. We shall have to disagree
Posted by: j, bromley on 2:12pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]Cllr Colin Smith[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]j[/bold] wrote: Another cut back. This is fine by me as long as the council reduce my council tax of over £2100.00 a year. They won\\\\\\\'t though,all they do is pass the blame on to central goverment like they always do. [/quote] Absolutely not a cut back. It\\\\\\\'s an extra service designed to save you excessive Council Tax rises in the future and maintain Bromley\\\\\\\'s record as the lowest Council Taxing Borough in Outer London (unless you include Newham which is bizarrely classed as such)despite being the second lowest recipients of Government grant in the Capital (behind Richmond) You might think paying us insufficient Grant and doubling the price of Landfill Tax is a go idea (do you ?) but you can\\\\\\\'t deny the facts.[/quote] There you go blame it on central goverment.
I actaully go out of my way to recycle as much as I can .
Surely if you miss a collection one week you will simply collect twice as much the next.
Cllr Colin Smith wrote:
j wrote: Another cut back. This is fine by me as long as the council reduce my council tax of over £2100.00 a year. They won\\\\'t though,all they do is pass the blame on to central goverment like they always do.
Absolutely not a cut back. It\\\\'s an extra service designed to save you excessive Council Tax rises in the future and maintain Bromley\\\\'s record as the lowest Council Taxing Borough in Outer London (unless you include Newham which is bizarrely classed as such)despite being the second lowest recipients of Government grant in the Capital (behind Richmond) You might think paying us insufficient Grant and doubling the price of Landfill Tax is a go idea (do you ?) but you can\\\\'t deny the facts.
There you go blame it on central goverment.
I actaully go out of my way to recycle as much as I can .
Surely if you miss a collection one week you will simply collect twice as much the next.
Posted by: GOD, UP ERE on 2:16pm Thu 22 May 08
Cllr Colin Smith,
Answer your bloody phone and get off that website. Ive been ringing you for 2 hours!!!!!
Cllr Colin Smith,
Answer your bloody phone and get off that website. Ive been ringing you for 2 hours!!!!!
Posted by: joe on 2:18pm Thu 22 May 08
Anyone know when the next local elections are being held????
Anyone know when the next local elections are being held????
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 2:27pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]paul[/bold] wrote:
"Wont bother me!! I shall just dump it in the street"! Like everyone else will. It could be a smelly summer. Just 1 question: WHAT THE HELL DO I PAY POLL TAX FOR???[/quote] Paul, I see that you've used quotation marks. Whether it's your position or someone elses should anyone choose to live like a pig and foul your own neighbourhoods I find it contemptible.
It won't be a smelly summer because the scheme won't be introduced, by design, until late autumn at the earliest
Regarding Council tax, among other things goes towards, schools, roads, streetlights, waste and recycling and social services.
Presumably you would like to pay less in the future than you need to ?
paul wrote:
"Wont bother me!! I shall just dump it in the street"! Like everyone else will. It could be a smelly summer. Just 1 question: WHAT THE HELL DO I PAY POLL TAX FOR???
Paul, I see that you've used quotation marks. Whether it's your position or someone elses should anyone choose to live like a pig and foul your own neighbourhoods I find it contemptible.
It won't be a smelly summer because the scheme won't be introduced, by design, until late autumn at the earliest
Regarding Council tax, among other things goes towards, schools, roads, streetlights, waste and recycling and social services.
Presumably you would like to pay less in the future than you need to ?
Posted by: Mark, Bromley on 2:33pm Thu 22 May 08
and Council tax is being spent on what exactly?
and Council tax is being spent on what exactly?
Posted by: Pink Kitten, London on 2:37pm Thu 22 May 08
If the hot weather really arrives then all you will smell is the stench of rotting rubbish when mad dogs and englishmen go out in the midday sun.....Nice!
If the hot weather really arrives then all you will smell is the stench of rotting rubbish when mad dogs and englishmen go out in the midday sun.....Nice!
Posted by: Charlie, Bromley on 2:37pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]Mark[/bold] wrote:
and Council tax is being spent on what exactly?[/quote] You think that council tax is only used for the bins? The figures are published each year, and breakdowns sent with the bills. Grow Up!
Mark wrote:
and Council tax is being spent on what exactly?
You think that council tax is only used for the bins? The figures are published each year, and breakdowns sent with the bills. Grow Up!
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 2:42pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]GOD[/bold] wrote:
Cllr Colin Smith, Answer your bloody phone and get off that website. Ive been ringing you for 2 hours!!!!![/quote] I'll be there shortly father - I'm trying to save Bromley Council tax payers a few bob at the moment !
GOD wrote:
Cllr Colin Smith, Answer your bloody phone and get off that website. Ive been ringing you for 2 hours!!!!!
I'll be there shortly father - I'm trying to save Bromley Council tax payers a few bob at the moment !
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 2:44pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]j[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Cllr Colin Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]j[/bold] wrote: Another cut back. This is fine by me as long as the council reduce my council tax of over £2100.00 a year. They won\\\\\\\'t though,all they do is pass the blame on to central goverment like they always do. [/quote] Absolutely not a cut back. It\\\\\\\'s an extra service designed to save you excessive Council Tax rises in the future and maintain Bromley\\\\\\\'s record as the lowest Council Taxing Borough in Outer London (unless you include Newham which is bizarrely classed as such)despite being the second lowest recipients of Government grant in the Capital (behind Richmond) You might think paying us insufficient Grant and doubling the price of Landfill Tax is a go idea (do you ?) but you can\\\\\\\'t deny the facts.[/quote] There you go blame it on central goverment. I actaully go out of my way to recycle as much as I can . Surely if you miss a collection one week you will simply collect twice as much the next. [/quote] Quoting facts isn't the same as blaming anyone. People will I'm sure make up their own minds.
I'm pleased you are a keen recycler. Good on you.
The Council's role is to make this as easy and efficient as we possibly can for everyone and encourage those who aren't presently doing their bit to come to the party.
People who do recycle and subsidising the Council Tax of those that don't and that's simply not fair.
Missing collections isn't a good thing either for levels of recycling OR main waste.
Evidence suggests that if recycling get missed some people tip in into the 'main' waste and if the 'main' waste gets missed an anti social minority flytip it.
j wrote:
Cllr Colin Smith wrote: j wrote: Another cut back. This is fine by me as long as the council reduce my council tax of over £2100.00 a year. They won\\\\'t though,all they do is pass the blame on to central goverment like they always do.
Absolutely not a cut back. It\\\\'s an extra service designed to save you excessive Council Tax rises in the future and maintain Bromley\\\\'s record as the lowest Council Taxing Borough in Outer London (unless you include Newham which is bizarrely classed as such)despite being the second lowest recipients of Government grant in the Capital (behind Richmond) You might think paying us insufficient Grant and doubling the price of Landfill Tax is a go idea (do you ?) but you can\\\\'t deny the facts.
There you go blame it on central goverment. I actaully go out of my way to recycle as much as I can . Surely if you miss a collection one week you will simply collect twice as much the next.
Quoting facts isn't the same as blaming anyone. People will I'm sure make up their own minds.
I'm pleased you are a keen recycler. Good on you.
The Council's role is to make this as easy and efficient as we possibly can for everyone and encourage those who aren't presently doing their bit to come to the party.
People who do recycle and subsidising the Council Tax of those that don't and that's simply not fair.
Missing collections isn't a good thing either for levels of recycling OR main waste.
Evidence suggests that if recycling get missed some people tip in into the 'main' waste and if the 'main' waste gets missed an anti social minority flytip it.
Posted by: Ian, Orpington on 2:45pm Thu 22 May 08
Nearly everyone I know in south kent boroughs have two wheelie bins (normal & recyc) provided - why do we have to 1. Buy our own. 2. Get given small plastic boxes for recyc that after a windy night all end up in the streets? Further in this day and age of recycling why are these tiny boxes only emptied every 2 weeks?
Nearly everyone I know in south kent boroughs have two wheelie bins (normal & recyc) provided - why do we have to 1. Buy our own. 2. Get given small plastic boxes for recyc that after a windy night all end up in the streets? Further in this day and age of recycling why are these tiny boxes only emptied every 2 weeks?
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 2:47pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]Pink Kitten[/bold] wrote:
If the hot weather really arrives then all you will smell is the stench of rotting rubbish when mad dogs and englishmen go out in the midday sun.....Nice![/quote] Not so. It won't be introduced in the summer.
Pink Kitten wrote:
If the hot weather really arrives then all you will smell is the stench of rotting rubbish when mad dogs and englishmen go out in the midday sun.....Nice!
Not so. It won't be introduced in the summer.
Posted by: Charlie, Bromley on 2:54pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]Cllr Colin Smith[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Pink Kitten[/bold] wrote:
If the hot weather really arrives then all you will smell is the stench of rotting rubbish when mad dogs and englishmen go out in the midday sun.....Nice![/quote] Not so. It won't be introduced in the summer.[/quote] But what about next summer?
Cllr Colin Smith wrote:
Pink Kitten wrote:
If the hot weather really arrives then all you will smell is the stench of rotting rubbish when mad dogs and englishmen go out in the midday sun.....Nice!
Not so. It won't be introduced in the summer.
But what about next summer?
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 2:57pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]Eagles Man[/bold] wrote:
This is going to happen anyway - but surely it's a good thing that we're moving to WEEKLY collections of recycling and still collecting food waste weekly - at the moment my green bin is regularly near overflowing. And if it forces the minority to start puling their fingers out and recycling then good! Oh, and my dog waste gets buried in the garden - as would cat litter if I had one![/quote]
Top man - A Council tax rebate is on its way !
Eagles Man wrote:
This is going to happen anyway - but surely it's a good thing that we're moving to WEEKLY collections of recycling and still collecting food waste weekly - at the moment my green bin is regularly near overflowing. And if it forces the minority to start puling their fingers out and recycling then good! Oh, and my dog waste gets buried in the garden - as would cat litter if I had one!
Top man - A Council tax rebate is on its way !
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 3:05pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]Charlie[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Cllr Colin Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Pink Kitten[/bold] wrote: If the hot weather really arrives then all you will smell is the stench of rotting rubbish when mad dogs and englishmen go out in the midday sun.....Nice![/quote] Not so. It won't be introduced in the summer.[/quote] But what about next summer?[/quote] If the scheme is introduced it will have had 6 months to bed in and with any glitches being ironed out by the time summer'09 arrives.
Charlie wrote:
Cllr Colin Smith wrote: Pink Kitten wrote: If the hot weather really arrives then all you will smell is the stench of rotting rubbish when mad dogs and englishmen go out in the midday sun.....Nice!
Not so. It won't be introduced in the summer.
But what about next summer?
If the scheme is introduced it will have had 6 months to bed in and with any glitches being ironed out by the time summer'09 arrives.
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 3:19pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
Nearly everyone I know in south kent boroughs have two wheelie bins (normal & recyc) provided - why do we have to 1. Buy our own. 2. Get given small plastic boxes for recyc that after a windy night all end up in the streets? Further in this day and age of recycling why are these tiny boxes only emptied every 2 weeks?[/quote]
It's a balance really Ian.
Regarding Wheelie Bins, first of all they have not historically been Council Policy (rationale being that the smaller bins people use the more likely they are to recycle = lower Council Tax and the reason Bromley today has the best 'dry' (tins, glass, plastic bottles paper) recycling record in the capital.
We have though taken a pragmatic view on people buying and using their own even though the Council has been charged more by the contractor for handling them that 'non-wheelies'
Regarding boxes, with paper in particular because there are health and safety issues with operatives being asked to pick up loads that become too heavy.
Also, an additional plus to this proposed scheme is that the black paper box, like food recycling, will be upgraded to a weekly service.
Ian wrote:
Nearly everyone I know in south kent boroughs have two wheelie bins (normal & recyc) provided - why do we have to 1. Buy our own. 2. Get given small plastic boxes for recyc that after a windy night all end up in the streets? Further in this day and age of recycling why are these tiny boxes only emptied every 2 weeks?
It's a balance really Ian.
Regarding Wheelie Bins, first of all they have not historically been Council Policy (rationale being that the smaller bins people use the more likely they are to recycle = lower Council Tax and the reason Bromley today has the best 'dry' (tins, glass, plastic bottles paper) recycling record in the capital.
We have though taken a pragmatic view on people buying and using their own even though the Council has been charged more by the contractor for handling them that 'non-wheelies'
Regarding boxes, with paper in particular because there are health and safety issues with operatives being asked to pick up loads that become too heavy.
Also, an additional plus to this proposed scheme is that the black paper box, like food recycling, will be upgraded to a weekly service.
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 3:22pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]joe[/bold] wrote:
Anyone know when the next local elections are being held????[/quote]
May 2010
joe wrote:
Anyone know when the next local elections are being held????
May 2010
Posted by: j, Bromley on 3:33pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]Cllr Colin Smith[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]j[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Cllr Colin Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]j[/bold] wrote: Another cut back. This is fine by me as long as the council reduce my council tax of over £2100.00 a year. They won\\\\\\\'t though,all they do is pass the blame on to central goverment like they always do. [/quote] Absolutely not a cut back. It\\\\\\\'s an extra service designed to save you excessive Council Tax rises in the future and maintain Bromley\\\\\\\'s record as the lowest Council Taxing Borough in Outer London (unless you include Newham which is bizarrely classed as such)despite being the second lowest recipients of Government grant in the Capital (behind Richmond) You might think paying us insufficient Grant and doubling the price of Landfill Tax is a go idea (do you ?) but you can\\\\\\\'t deny the facts.[/quote] There you go blame it on central goverment. I actaully go out of my way to recycle as much as I can . Surely if you miss a collection one week you will simply collect twice as much the next. [/quote] Quoting facts isn't the same as blaming anyone. People will I'm sure make up their own minds. I'm pleased you are a keen recycler. Good on you. The Council's role is to make this as easy and efficient as we possibly can for everyone and encourage those who aren't presently doing their bit to come to the party. People who do recycle and subsidising the Council Tax of those that don't and that's simply not fair. Missing collections isn't a good thing either for levels of recycling OR main waste. Evidence suggests that if recycling get missed some people tip in into the 'main' waste and if the 'main' waste gets missed an anti social minority flytip it.[/quote] I QUOTE:
Missing collections isn't a good thing either for levels of recycling OR main waste.
Evidence suggests that if recycling get missed some people tip in into the 'main' waste and if the 'main' waste gets missed an anti social minority flytip it.
So you disagree with fortnightly collections then!!
Cllr Colin Smith wrote:
j wrote: Cllr Colin Smith wrote: j wrote: Another cut back. This is fine by me as long as the council reduce my council tax of over £2100.00 a year. They won\\\\'t though,all they do is pass the blame on to central goverment like they always do.
Absolutely not a cut back. It\\\\'s an extra service designed to save you excessive Council Tax rises in the future and maintain Bromley\\\\'s record as the lowest Council Taxing Borough in Outer London (unless you include Newham which is bizarrely classed as such)despite being the second lowest recipients of Government grant in the Capital (behind Richmond) You might think paying us insufficient Grant and doubling the price of Landfill Tax is a go idea (do you ?) but you can\\\\'t deny the facts.
There you go blame it on central goverment. I actaully go out of my way to recycle as much as I can . Surely if you miss a collection one week you will simply collect twice as much the next.
Quoting facts isn't the same as blaming anyone. People will I'm sure make up their own minds. I'm pleased you are a keen recycler. Good on you. The Council's role is to make this as easy and efficient as we possibly can for everyone and encourage those who aren't presently doing their bit to come to the party. People who do recycle and subsidising the Council Tax of those that don't and that's simply not fair. Missing collections isn't a good thing either for levels of recycling OR main waste. Evidence suggests that if recycling get missed some people tip in into the 'main' waste and if the 'main' waste gets missed an anti social minority flytip it.
I QUOTE:
Missing collections isn't a good thing either for levels of recycling OR main waste.
Evidence suggests that if recycling get missed some people tip in into the 'main' waste and if the 'main' waste gets missed an anti social minority flytip it.
So you disagree with fortnightly collections then!!
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 4:12pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]j[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Cllr Colin Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]j[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Cllr Colin Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]j[/bold] wrote: Another cut back. This is fine by me as long as the council reduce my council tax of over £2100.00 a year. They won\\\\\\\'t though,all they do is pass the blame on to central goverment like they always do. [/quote] Absolutely not a cut back. It\\\\\\\'s an extra service designed to save you excessive Council Tax rises in the future and maintain Bromley\\\\\\\'s record as the lowest Council Taxing Borough in Outer London (unless you include Newham which is bizarrely classed as such)despite being the second lowest recipients of Government grant in the Capital (behind Richmond) You might think paying us insufficient Grant and doubling the price of Landfill Tax is a go idea (do you ?) but you can\\\\\\\'t deny the facts.[/quote] There you go blame it on central goverment. I actaully go out of my way to recycle as much as I can . Surely if you miss a collection one week you will simply collect twice as much the next. [/quote] Quoting facts isn't the same as blaming anyone. People will I'm sure make up their own minds. I'm pleased you are a keen recycler. Good on you. The Council's role is to make this as easy and efficient as we possibly can for everyone and encourage those who aren't presently doing their bit to come to the party. People who do recycle and subsidising the Council Tax of those that don't and that's simply not fair. Missing collections isn't a good thing either for levels of recycling OR main waste. Evidence suggests that if recycling get missed some people tip in into the 'main' waste and if the 'main' waste gets missed an anti social minority flytip it.[/quote] I QUOTE: Missing collections isn't a good thing either for levels of recycling OR main waste. Evidence suggests that if recycling get missed some people tip in into the 'main' waste and if the 'main' waste gets missed an anti social minority flytip it. So you disagree with fortnightly collections then!! [/quote]
Of course I disagree with fortnightly collections of food waste (as is stated in the NS article.
I also fully support the concept of weekly food recycling as a means of avoiding Landfill Tax bills and rapidly escalating Council Tax Bills.
The question is how best to manage the process, not whether its a good idea.
j wrote:
Cllr Colin Smith wrote: j wrote: Cllr Colin Smith wrote: j wrote: Another cut back. This is fine by me as long as the council reduce my council tax of over £2100.00 a year. They won\\\\'t though,all they do is pass the blame on to central goverment like they always do.
Absolutely not a cut back. It\\\\'s an extra service designed to save you excessive Council Tax rises in the future and maintain Bromley\\\\'s record as the lowest Council Taxing Borough in Outer London (unless you include Newham which is bizarrely classed as such)despite being the second lowest recipients of Government grant in the Capital (behind Richmond) You might think paying us insufficient Grant and doubling the price of Landfill Tax is a go idea (do you ?) but you can\\\\'t deny the facts.
There you go blame it on central goverment. I actaully go out of my way to recycle as much as I can . Surely if you miss a collection one week you will simply collect twice as much the next.
Quoting facts isn't the same as blaming anyone. People will I'm sure make up their own minds. I'm pleased you are a keen recycler. Good on you. The Council's role is to make this as easy and efficient as we possibly can for everyone and encourage those who aren't presently doing their bit to come to the party. People who do recycle and subsidising the Council Tax of those that don't and that's simply not fair. Missing collections isn't a good thing either for levels of recycling OR main waste. Evidence suggests that if recycling get missed some people tip in into the 'main' waste and if the 'main' waste gets missed an anti social minority flytip it.
I QUOTE: Missing collections isn't a good thing either for levels of recycling OR main waste. Evidence suggests that if recycling get missed some people tip in into the 'main' waste and if the 'main' waste gets missed an anti social minority flytip it. So you disagree with fortnightly collections then!!
Of course I disagree with fortnightly collections of food waste (as is stated in the NS article.
I also fully support the concept of weekly food recycling as a means of avoiding Landfill Tax bills and rapidly escalating Council Tax Bills.
The question is how best to manage the process, not whether its a good idea.
Posted by: Anon, Bromley on 10:09pm Thu 22 May 08
Having read through all the comments to the above article, I'm pleased that Bromley Council have at last woken up to the idea of food waste collections... Bexley Council have been doing it for sometime as has the Council responsible for Southwold, Suffolk!! In both areas, I believe it to be a success.
What concerns me though, is the amount of recyclable rubbish (cardboard, glass, tins etc) that goes into landfill from small businesses, pubs and clubs.
I know for a fact that a local pub asked the council about a recycling collect for the above. [italic]The pub management was told they would have to pay the council for the recycling containers to be placed on their land and then have to pay to have the containers emptied!!![/italic]
Surely it would make environmental and financial sense for these premises to have FREE recycling collections like the rest of us, especially given the huge sums they pay annually in Council Tax??
If it Council had the foresight to do this, just think of what they could save on landfill charges!!
Having read through all the comments to the above article, I'm pleased that Bromley Council have at last woken up to the idea of food waste collections... Bexley Council have been doing it for sometime as has the Council responsible for Southwold, Suffolk!! In both areas, I believe it to be a success.
What concerns me though, is the amount of recyclable rubbish (cardboard, glass, tins etc) that goes into landfill from small businesses, pubs and clubs.
I know for a fact that a local pub asked the council about a recycling collect for the above.
The pub management was told they would have to pay the council for the recycling containers to be placed on their land and then have to pay to have the containers emptied!!!
Surely it would make environmental and financial sense for these premises to have FREE recycling collections like the rest of us, especially given the huge sums they pay annually in Council Tax??
If it Council had the foresight to do this, just think of what they could save on landfill charges!!
Posted by: Sisyphus, Bromley on 10:31pm Thu 22 May 08
And there we have Cllr Smith's own particular brand of ultra-conservatism. He's not interested in policies which might actually make a difference to society (what does environmentally "populist" mean?), it's all about appearing to save a few quid - at least until the next election. But I'm afraid the capitalist model he subscribes to is totally incompatible with protecting the environment.
And there we have Cllr Smith's own particular brand of ultra-conservatism. He's not interested in policies which might actually make a difference to society (what does environmentally "populist" mean?), it's all about appearing to save a few quid - at least until the next election. But I'm afraid the capitalist model he subscribes to is totally incompatible with protecting the environment.
Posted by: Chase, Greenwich on 9:08am Fri 23 May 08
[quote][bold]MICHELLE[/bold] wrote:
Sounds like the same bright spark who works for Greenwich Council has been employed by Bromley too.Non recycling waste once a fortnight ie cat litter,dog waste,soiled nappies,used sanitary products.Greenwich expect us to put them in a black sack and leave them in the house or in the garden for 2 weeks.They smell lovely and what about vermin like rat's,mice,flies etc that these bags attract.Its no wonder people are dumping this filthy waste in the streets,in feilds or skips.I hope that Bromley residents don't have to put up with this,we Greenwich residents have no choice and our complaints have been ignored.As long as the council are saving money so that the big wigs keep getting their fat salaries who cares about
DOG S--T being dumped here there and every where.[/quote] If you used washable sanitary towells and nappies and recycled dog and cat waste it wouldnt have to be in your house would it.You are part of the materialistic throw away generation who think its someone elses responsability to deal with your actions.
MICHELLE wrote:
Sounds like the same bright spark who works for Greenwich Council has been employed by Bromley too.Non recycling waste once a fortnight ie cat litter,dog waste,soiled nappies,used sanitary products.Greenwich expect us to put them in a black sack and leave them in the house or in the garden for 2 weeks.They smell lovely and what about vermin like rat's,mice,flies etc that these bags attract.Its no wonder people are dumping this filthy waste in the streets,in feilds or skips.I hope that Bromley residents don't have to put up with this,we Greenwich residents have no choice and our complaints have been ignored.As long as the council are saving money so that the big wigs keep getting their fat salaries who cares about
DOG S--T being dumped here there and every where.
If you used washable sanitary towells and nappies and recycled dog and cat waste it wouldnt have to be in your house would it.You are part of the materialistic throw away generation who think its someone elses responsability to deal with your actions.
Posted by: AnotherAnon, Bromley on 9:54am Fri 23 May 08
Cllr Smith,
Fortunately, I don't have kids - though her indoors is pestering me daily! She's tried on numerous occasions to persuade me cost-wise that its a good idea, having taken me to Mothercare on many occasions. Being a keen Recyclist, shes very keen on having 'Organinc' biodegradeable nappies which could be recycled.
I'm sure you must be able to buy Cherokee Hair Tampons that degrade as well..
Could the council not offer to collect nappies, sanitary items and such providing they are "Green" (not in that sense of the word...)
Obviously, its open to abuse and I'm sure the dust(wo)man won't inspect the nappy/aunt flo's for its "greeness" but worth considering?
Cllr Smith,
Fortunately, I don't have kids - though her indoors is pestering me daily! She's tried on numerous occasions to persuade me cost-wise that its a good idea, having taken me to Mothercare on many occasions. Being a keen Recyclist, shes very keen on having 'Organinc' biodegradeable nappies which could be recycled.
I'm sure you must be able to buy Cherokee Hair Tampons that degrade as well..
Could the council not offer to collect nappies, sanitary items and such providing they are "Green" (not in that sense of the word...)
Obviously, its open to abuse and I'm sure the dust(wo)man won't inspect the nappy/aunt flo's for its "greeness" but worth considering?
Posted by: Jam Rag, Bromley on 6:13pm Fri 23 May 08
Its perfectly possible to use alternatives to Tampons such as moss
Its perfectly possible to use alternatives to Tampons such as moss
Posted by: Steve, Bromley on 6:33pm Fri 23 May 08
Many congratulations to Cllr Smith for responding to each point on this thread.
It would be useful if Bromley adopted wheeled bins as supplied in nearly every neighbouring borough. They prevent vermin getting in, don't topple over in wind and keep any smells trapped.
Being nearly 60 my wife and I come from a generation that doesn't throw food away. Apparently 30% of food is thrown away. Many younger people look at the 'sell by' date and throw it away if it has been passed regardless of the state of the food. Use commonsense, smell it and look at the food, which if it has been in a fridge will remain edible far longer than the 'sell by' date. Leftovers can be used up in soups, stews etc.
Many congratulations to Cllr Smith for responding to each point on this thread.
It would be useful if Bromley adopted wheeled bins as supplied in nearly every neighbouring borough. They prevent vermin getting in, don't topple over in wind and keep any smells trapped.
Being nearly 60 my wife and I come from a generation that doesn't throw food away. Apparently 30% of food is thrown away. Many younger people look at the 'sell by' date and throw it away if it has been passed regardless of the state of the food. Use commonsense, smell it and look at the food, which if it has been in a fridge will remain edible far longer than the 'sell by' date. Leftovers can be used up in soups, stews etc.
Posted by: Sam on 8:14pm Fri 23 May 08
Bromley is the land of purpose built flats.
Those communal bins are gonna be steaming after two weeks!
Bromley is the land of purpose built flats.
Those communal bins are gonna be steaming after two weeks!
Posted by: Cllr Colin Smith, Bromley on 7:34am Sat 24 May 08
Sam, it's a shame that the article didn't draw this point out but collection arrangements for flats will remain unchanged.
They are not included in these proposals so you have no need to concern yourself.
Sam, it's a shame that the article didn't draw this point out but collection arrangements for flats will remain unchanged.
They are not included in these proposals so you have no need to concern yourself.
Posted by: jo, Beckenham on 3:15pm Mon 2 Jun 08
What exactly do I pay Council Tax for?
