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Outrage over killer's day release
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| Maureen Johnson and partner John French |
A TEENAGER who fatally stabbed a man in the head with a screwdriver is set to go on day release after just 17 months.
Darrell McLeish was 19 when he was given an indefinite hospital order under the Mental Health Act for killing 29-year-old David Rodway in Bromley town centre.
But two years after the attack it has been
revealed McLeish, formerly of Widecombe Road, Mottingham, is set to be allowed to go on day release from his medium-security hospital.
Mr Rodway's family and friends were told the news by Bromley police earlier this month.
His mother Maureen Johnson said: "How can a man who put a screwdriver through my son's head get out after two years?
"It is just so upsetting and I sobbed my heart out when I heard the news.
"I thought after the trial we could relax but then the police turn up out of the blue and tell us he is coming out. I am outraged. He should have been put in prison for what he did to us."
The 54-year-old of Ascot Road, St Paul's Cray, says she still cannot face moving her dead son's possessions from his old room.
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| David Rodway who was fatally stabbed in the head by Darrell McLeish |
She added: "The man who killed my son should have gone to prison. It should have been life for a life.
"It is hell knowing he will be out soon."
A friend of Mr Rodway, who does not wish to be named, says they would be fighting against the "upsetting" decision.
Bromley police borough commander Chief Superintendent Charles Griggs is also angry at the news.
He said: "I'm outraged. How can someone who was so ill that he couldn't be given a prison sentence 17 months ago have made such a miraculous recovery that he's fit to be released?
"I'm no doctor but I find it bizarre."
Police found Mr Rodway in East Street, Bromley, with a 16cm screwdriver embedded in his head after a disagreement between him and McLeish on May 6, 2006.
He died two days later in the Princess Royal University Hospital, Farnborough.
Judges at the Old Bailey handed McLeish the hospital order on December 15, 2006, after he pleaded guilty to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility.
At the time of his arrest on May 13, 2006, he asked a police officer: "How long would I have to serve before I go on parole for murder?"
Ms Johnson says she has been told the terms of McLeish's possible day release have yet to been finalised but it is thought he will be
accompanied outside hospital grounds by several nurses.
In court, former data engineer McLeish was described by prosecutor Toyin Akinyemi as an "exceptionally violent man" who had used weapons in the past.
He has convictions for common assault on a police officer and inflicting actual bodily
harm after attacking a woman with a key.
McLeish also has a conviction for a public order offence, where he threatened a man with a fork in a pub.
It is believed McLeish is in a hospital run by the Oxleas NHS Foundation Trust, which
provides mental health services in Bromley, Bexley and Greenwich, but the trust would not confirm this.
An Oxleas spokesman said: "The policy for patients to take leave from the hospital grounds is based on a thorough and comprehensive assessment of risk and, where appropriate, agreed by the Ministry of Justice.
"The safety of the patient and the public is paramount at all times."
4:57pm Tuesday 20th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: anita, dartford on 10:51am Tue 20 May 08
So now we can all stab someone with a screwdriver and kill them and not expect to spend any longer than 3 years in prison or sectioned under the Mental Act (cop out) no wonder this country is on its knees. I am disgusted that the parents of this young man will probably see this scum walking the streets soon, which unfortunately he took that away from their son. RIP
So now we can all stab someone with a screwdriver and kill them and not expect to spend any longer than 3 years in prison or sectioned under the Mental Act (cop out) no wonder this country is on its knees. I am disgusted that the parents of this young man will probably see this scum walking the streets soon, which unfortunately he took that away from their son. RIP
Posted by: Jo, Bromley on 11:01am Tue 20 May 08
This is so bad the man obviously has a violent temper and should be locked up permenantly it seems obvious he will kill again and used deminished reponsibility as a way to get less time in prision and it seems to work!!
This is so bad the man obviously has a violent temper and should be locked up permenantly it seems obvious he will kill again and used deminished reponsibility as a way to get less time in prision and it seems to work!!
Posted by: Sunny, London on 12:08pm Tue 20 May 08
I was thinking along the same lines as Anita. Totally appalling.
I was thinking along the same lines as Anita. Totally appalling.
Posted by: Helene S, Bromley on 12:45pm Tue 20 May 08
i can't beleive this, it is totally shocking and shows complete disrespect to the poor family that have not yet been able to come to terms with the brutal murder of their son. If he had been sent to prison for murder, would he still be allowed out on day release??? i think the scumbag should rot in jail for what he has done, he is a cold calculating killer and if he is let out it will only be a matter of time before he kills again. RIP David, my thoughts are with your famiy and friends at this terrible time xx
i can't beleive this, it is totally shocking and shows complete disrespect to the poor family that have not yet been able to come to terms with the brutal murder of their son. If he had been sent to prison for murder, would he still be allowed out on day release??? i think the scumbag should rot in jail for what he has done, he is a cold calculating killer and if he is let out it will only be a matter of time before he kills again. RIP David, my thoughts are with your famiy and friends at this terrible time xx
Posted by: j, Bexleyheath on 1:13pm Tue 20 May 08
And they wonder why we have all this trouble with youth crime when this is the message they are sending out! Go and murder someone you get 2 years, rob a bank and you get 15. It is so wrong that our lives are valued as being less important. I am appalled - and my heart goes out to Mr Rodways family.
And they wonder why we have all this trouble with youth crime when this is the message they are sending out! Go and murder someone you get 2 years, rob a bank and you get 15. It is so wrong that our lives are valued as being less important. I am appalled - and my heart goes out to Mr Rodways family.
Posted by: Hon Brummie, out of elmer on 2:18pm Tue 20 May 08
Well, what do you all expect. You did,nt think for one moment he would do the time.
Off course when he had the "risk assesment" he is not going to act his normal way, he is just going to show what a good little boy he is, and they all fall for it. Its about bloody time these idiots stop **** footing about and just lock these scum up and throw away the bloody Key.
They lost all their Human Rights the day and time they commited the offences.
As for killing another person, with all the DNA evidence avaliable in this modern world to help get the right person and find them guilty, there is only one thing that should happen, TOP THE LOT OF THEM, yes bring back Hanging, and for lesser THE BIRCH.
Now I sit and wait for all the do gooders to come out of the wood work and condem what I have said. I do not really care about them, but how would they feel if it was a close relative of theirs that was assaulted or killed. If they want to live by the sword, then they be killed by the sword. An eye for an Eye is my motto.
Over to you Do Gooders.
Well, what do you all expect. You did,nt think for one moment he would do the time.
Off course when he had the "risk assesment" he is not going to act his normal way, he is just going to show what a good little boy he is, and they all fall for it. Its about bloody time these idiots stop **** footing about and just lock these scum up and throw away the bloody Key.
They lost all their Human Rights the day and time they commited the offences.
As for killing another person, with all the DNA evidence avaliable in this modern world to help get the right person and find them guilty, there is only one thing that should happen, TOP THE LOT OF THEM, yes bring back Hanging, and for lesser THE BIRCH.
Now I sit and wait for all the do gooders to come out of the wood work and condem what I have said. I do not really care about them, but how would they feel if it was a close relative of theirs that was assaulted or killed. If they want to live by the sword, then they be killed by the sword. An eye for an Eye is my motto.
Over to you Do Gooders.
Posted by: Roger, Leeds on 2:57pm Tue 20 May 08
How great it is to know this guy is out in public after just 17 months. If he has some kind of mental disorder he should be taken OFF the streets for good, IF pondlife such as this are being let off because of the liberal minded justice system we have what good does that do the rest of us. They rightfully keep the Yorkshire Ripper locked up but this pond life is free to wander. It makes me sick to be British when I read this and other stories just like this one. He should be at the end of a rope, I feel it is about time society in general should work together and get something done about these silly new laws & regulations. Although it will be tricky as all the magistrates' are in a different world to the rest of us.
How great it is to know this guy is out in public after just 17 months. If he has some kind of mental disorder he should be taken OFF the streets for good, IF pondlife such as this are being let off because of the liberal minded justice system we have what good does that do the rest of us. They rightfully keep the Yorkshire Ripper locked up but this pond life is free to wander. It makes me sick to be British when I read this and other stories just like this one. He should be at the end of a rope, I feel it is about time society in general should work together and get something done about these silly new laws & regulations. Although it will be tricky as all the magistrates' are in a different world to the rest of us.
Posted by: Roger, Leeds on 3:02pm Tue 20 May 08
Hon Brummie, My favorite motto is "I dont believe in an eye for an eye, I believe in TWO eyes for an eye" and I agree with you 100% they should have no rights and should be punished.
Hon Brummie, My favorite motto is "I dont believe in an eye for an eye, I believe in TWO eyes for an eye" and I agree with you 100% they should have no rights and should be punished.
Posted by: natalie sterry, lee on 6:09pm Tue 20 May 08
oh my this country has no idea has it i agree with all your comments. this governement wanna get things in order if this country did not waste money on stupid things like congestion charge and low emission zones they would be able to afford the money to keep these people in prison for life... it is simple you give petty crimes a big fine instead of putting them in prison leaving more space to put these people in prison for life. this country goes on we wanna make you shopping towns and the environment a better place and improve the roads but what we really want is to feel safe that these people that commit such violent crimes go away and never see the outside again and then all these kids would put a stop to it well most of them.... kids adults whatever are not scared of prison becasue the sentences are just tooooo short.
oh my this country has no idea has it i agree with all your comments. this governement wanna get things in order if this country did not waste money on stupid things like congestion charge and low emission zones they would be able to afford the money to keep these people in prison for life... it is simple you give petty crimes a big fine instead of putting them in prison leaving more space to put these people in prison for life. this country goes on we wanna make you shopping towns and the environment a better place and improve the roads but what we really want is to feel safe that these people that commit such violent crimes go away and never see the outside again and then all these kids would put a stop to it well most of them.... kids adults whatever are not scared of prison becasue the sentences are just tooooo short.
Posted by: Sad to be British on 6:20pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]Hon Brummie[/bold] wrote:
Well, what do you all expect. You did,nt think for one moment he would do the time. Off course when he had the \"risk assesment\" he is not going to act his normal way, he is just going to show what a good little boy he is, and they all fall for it. Its about bloody time these idiots stop **** footing about and just lock these scum up and throw away the bloody Key. They lost all their Human Rights the day and time they commited the offences. As for killing another person, with all the DNA evidence avaliable in this modern world to help get the right person and find them guilty, there is only one thing that should happen, TOP THE LOT OF THEM, yes bring back Hanging, and for lesser THE BIRCH. Now I sit and wait for all the do gooders to come out of the wood work and condem what I have said. I do not really care about them, but how would they feel if it was a close relative of theirs that was assaulted or killed. If they want to live by the sword, then they be killed by the sword. An eye for an Eye is my motto. Over to you Do Gooders.[/quote] Couldnt agree more, if crime was taken more seriously i.e Murder,paedophilia(n
ot sure of spelling)then just maybe these animals would think twice before they committed their crime.I was unlucky enough to fall fail to "our British justice system" and that alone has made me lose complete faith in this gutter ridden country, I just hope and pray for this family that this scum really gets what he deserves!
Hon Brummie wrote:
Well, what do you all expect. You did,nt think for one moment he would do the time. Off course when he had the \"risk assesment\" he is not going to act his normal way, he is just going to show what a good little boy he is, and they all fall for it. Its about bloody time these idiots stop **** footing about and just lock these scum up and throw away the bloody Key. They lost all their Human Rights the day and time they commited the offences. As for killing another person, with all the DNA evidence avaliable in this modern world to help get the right person and find them guilty, there is only one thing that should happen, TOP THE LOT OF THEM, yes bring back Hanging, and for lesser THE BIRCH. Now I sit and wait for all the do gooders to come out of the wood work and condem what I have said. I do not really care about them, but how would they feel if it was a close relative of theirs that was assaulted or killed. If they want to live by the sword, then they be killed by the sword. An eye for an Eye is my motto. Over to you Do Gooders.
Couldnt agree more, if crime was taken more seriously i.e Murder,paedophilia(n
ot sure of spelling)then just maybe these animals would think twice before they committed their crime.I was unlucky enough to fall fail to "our British justice system" and that alone has made me lose complete faith in this gutter ridden country, I just hope and pray for this family that this scum really gets what he deserves!
Posted by: Matthew, Bromley on 7:33pm Tue 20 May 08
So let me get this right - this piece of filth has killed someone in a premeditated act of savagery, the police have done a great job capturing him and building a case against him, yet our wonderful judicial system has let him get away with his crime after spending a few monhs chilling out in a cosy hospital unit? We need a radical overhaul of our judicial system NOW! Sack the incompetent CPS who allowed this bloke to get away with this blatant charade and sack the liberal magistrates and judges who consistently let these criminal scum off with pathetic & nonsensical sentences.
So let me get this right - this piece of filth has killed someone in a premeditated act of savagery, the police have done a great job capturing him and building a case against him, yet our wonderful judicial system has let him get away with his crime after spending a few monhs chilling out in a cosy hospital unit? We need a radical overhaul of our judicial system NOW! Sack the incompetent CPS who allowed this bloke to get away with this blatant charade and sack the liberal magistrates and judges who consistently let these criminal scum off with pathetic & nonsensical sentences.
Posted by: Charlie, Bromley on 7:34pm Tue 20 May 08
I agree with you 100%, Matthew.
I agree with you 100%, Matthew.
Posted by: Excalibur, Bromley on 7:41pm Tue 20 May 08
Tragic story & terrible injustice letting this scum out. He should have been hanged. Great reporting though - although check out the reporters' photo under the 'Our Reporters' section - it looks suspiciously like a police custody mug shot!
Tragic story & terrible injustice letting this scum out. He should have been hanged. Great reporting though - although check out the reporters' photo under the 'Our Reporters' section - it looks suspiciously like a police custody mug shot!
Posted by: Anonymous on 10:31pm Tue 20 May 08
I was a friend of Dave’s and you couldn’t have met a nicer bloke. He didn’t have one mean bone in him. That night he wasn’t involved in any argument, he just saw his brother being attacked and went to his defence. I know a lot about this case and I can tell you that he was on bail at the time of my friend’s murder, out drinking with his friends, not a care in the world after already stabbing another young male! The system had already let us down at this point and they are about to do it again. With someone as violet and ruthless as this, how can they justify letting him out! It’s bad enough that they let the other five blokes off after they were caught on somebody’s phone bragging about the kill on the bus after they had legged it and left Dave lying on the floor with a pool of blood around him. He has not only taken someone’s life but has also destroyed a family. What he has done is unforgivable. With knife crime being so high at the moment, what example is this setting? It’s about time more rights were shown to the victims rather than the criminals. We have been told by the police that they need as much back up as they can get to hopefully stop this appeal, that’s why the comments that you leave are much appreciated as this gives a positive message that nobody will tolerate such cold blooded behaviour, after all we are supposed to be living in a civilised society.
I was a friend of Dave’s and you couldn’t have met a nicer bloke. He didn’t have one mean bone in him. That night he wasn’t involved in any argument, he just saw his brother being attacked and went to his defence. I know a lot about this case and I can tell you that he was on bail at the time of my friend’s murder, out drinking with his friends, not a care in the world after already stabbing another young male! The system had already let us down at this point and they are about to do it again. With someone as violet and ruthless as this, how can they justify letting him out! It’s bad enough that they let the other five blokes off after they were caught on somebody’s phone bragging about the kill on the bus after they had legged it and left Dave lying on the floor with a pool of blood around him. He has not only taken someone’s life but has also destroyed a family. What he has done is unforgivable. With knife crime being so high at the moment, what example is this setting? It’s about time more rights were shown to the victims rather than the criminals. We have been told by the police that they need as much back up as they can get to hopefully stop this appeal, that’s why the comments that you leave are much appreciated as this gives a positive message that nobody will tolerate such cold blooded behaviour, after all we are supposed to be living in a civilised society.
Posted by: John on 10:51pm Tue 20 May 08
This is a public outrage how can we be expected to walk the streets in safety with such violent criminals on the loose, I feel such sorrow for the family. There doesn’t seem to be much justice anymore. It’s quite simple, do the crime, serve the time.....LIFE!
This is a public outrage how can we be expected to walk the streets in safety with such violent criminals on the loose, I feel such sorrow for the family. There doesn’t seem to be much justice anymore. It’s quite simple, do the crime, serve the time.....LIFE!
Posted by: Locked and Loaded on 11:26pm Tue 20 May 08
British justice, what a joke.
I have to say if it was my boy that had been murdered, I would want the scum bag out. I would then put McLeish where he belongs ...in a box.
Put me in prison, its a joke.
British justice, what a joke.
I have to say if it was my boy that had been murdered, I would want the scum bag out. I would then put McLeish where he belongs ...in a box.
Put me in prison, its a joke.
Posted by: jacqui, orpington on 7:38am Wed 21 May 08
i lived in mottingham fo ten years and knew Darrell mcleish and his mum as one of my sons was a friend when they were young.He was ok ,a normal young lad until his father came out of prison and after that ,whether it be a coincidence and i may be speaking out of turn,was never the same again.I have the upmost sympathy for david rodways family as no one deserves the heart ache this has caused and darrell deserves to be put away for a very long time.we know he played the insanity card as he said he would and it worked but he is a very dangerous young man and shouldn't be allowed out.One more thing,Have a heart for Darrells mum as i know she is a very nice woman,a good woman who is beside herself as to how one of her own children could be capable of such a crime.Remember there are two families affected by the murder Darrell commited
i lived in mottingham fo ten years and knew Darrell mcleish and his mum as one of my sons was a friend when they were young.He was ok ,a normal young lad until his father came out of prison and after that ,whether it be a coincidence and i may be speaking out of turn,was never the same again.I have the upmost sympathy for david rodways family as no one deserves the heart ache this has caused and darrell deserves to be put away for a very long time.we know he played the insanity card as he said he would and it worked but he is a very dangerous young man and shouldn't be allowed out.One more thing,Have a heart for Darrells mum as i know she is a very nice woman,a good woman who is beside herself as to how one of her own children could be capable of such a crime.Remember there are two families affected by the murder Darrell commited
Posted by: Roger, Leeds on 8:40am Wed 21 May 08
I just searched on Google trying to find the name of the ineffective magistrate and found this...
[bold]Darrell McLeish, 19, crept up behind 29-year-old David Rodway and buried the 9cm tool up to the hilt in the back of the victim's head, the Old Bailey heard.[/bold]
He sounds like a real tough guy don't he...
I just searched on Google trying to find the name of the ineffective magistrate and found this...
Darrell McLeish, 19, crept up behind 29-year-old David Rodway and buried the 9cm tool up to the hilt in the back of the victim's head, the Old Bailey heard.
He sounds like a real tough guy don't he...
Posted by: jay on 11:10am Wed 21 May 08
theres 2 sides 2 every story, there was a group fight between mr rodways freinds and daryls freinds so im not saying its right but it wasnt unprovoked.its not as though daryls gettin let out 4 good its 1 day supervised,the hospital are tryin 2 fix him dont u fink its better 2 try an fix people than jus lockem up an let em out years down the line still broken.i know daryl an he is a messed up kid that needs fixin an if lettin him out supervised for 1 day helps in the process do it coz fixin him instead of lettin him go still broken in the future could save sum1 elses life.
theres 2 sides 2 every story, there was a group fight between mr rodways freinds and daryls freinds so im not saying its right but it wasnt unprovoked.its not as though daryls gettin let out 4 good its 1 day supervised,the hospital are tryin 2 fix him dont u fink its better 2 try an fix people than jus lockem up an let em out years down the line still broken.i know daryl an he is a messed up kid that needs fixin an if lettin him out supervised for 1 day helps in the process do it coz fixin him instead of lettin him go still broken in the future could save sum1 elses life.
Posted by: grim reaper, online on 11:27am Wed 21 May 08
The guy is a [italic]murderer[/italic] , he will kill again on day release. It’s already been mentioned before if [bold]HE[/bold] was too [bold]ILL[/bold] to go to prison, then how is it two years on that he is deemed [bold]WELL[/bold] enough to be let out then he is well enough to go to prison for [bold]MURDER[/bold] .
[bold]EUROPE[/bold] and the [bold]UNITED KINGDOM[/bold] no longer value our lives. If this guy had sold drugs or committed fraud he would be looking at 10+ years. but for carrying an [bold]OFFENSIVE[/bold] weapon and [bold]USING[/bold] that weapon to [bold]KILL[/bold] someone you get two years in a all inclusive holiday resort.. [italic]and let out to kill again[/italic] .
The guy is a
murderer , he will kill again on day release. It’s already been mentioned before if
HE was too
ILL to go to prison, then how is it two years on that he is deemed
WELL enough to be let out then he is well enough to go to prison for
MURDER .
EUROPE and the
UNITED KINGDOM no longer value our lives. If this guy had sold drugs or committed fraud he would be looking at 10+ years. but for carrying an
OFFENSIVE weapon and
USING that weapon to
KILL someone you get two years in a all inclusive holiday resort..
and let out to kill again .
Posted by: Roger, Leeds on 11:37am Wed 21 May 08
[quote][bold]jay[/bold] wrote:
theres 2 sides 2 every story, there was a group fight between mr rodways freinds and daryls freinds so im not saying its right but it wasnt unprovoked.its not as though daryls gettin let out 4 good its 1 day supervised,the hospital are tryin 2 fix him dont u fink its better 2 try an fix people than jus lockem up an let em out years down the line still broken.i know daryl an he is a messed up kid that needs fixin an if lettin him out supervised for 1 day helps in the process do it coz fixin him instead of lettin him go still broken in the future could save sum1 elses life.[/quote] I see where you are coming from Jay, and just as you say it is very important to see both sides of the coin. And indeed none of them may have been angels.
But the basic fact remains if any prson "whoever it may be" is prepared to kill they should not be on the streets PERIOD. Personally for my money a life for a life, if not the death penalty then the rest of your natural life inside. Of course things like self defence and when it is an unprovoked attack would have to be dealt with accordingly.
The bottom line is everyone should know if you are not prepared to act a certain way in OUR societity YOU will be punished. This just does not happen now days, The way it is at the moment things would be no worse if the justice system did not exist as it certanly does not help us.
jay wrote:
theres 2 sides 2 every story, there was a group fight between mr rodways freinds and daryls freinds so im not saying its right but it wasnt unprovoked.its not as though daryls gettin let out 4 good its 1 day supervised,the hospital are tryin 2 fix him dont u fink its better 2 try an fix people than jus lockem up an let em out years down the line still broken.i know daryl an he is a messed up kid that needs fixin an if lettin him out supervised for 1 day helps in the process do it coz fixin him instead of lettin him go still broken in the future could save sum1 elses life.
I see where you are coming from Jay, and just as you say it is very important to see both sides of the coin. And indeed none of them may have been angels.
But the basic fact remains if any prson "whoever it may be" is prepared to kill they should not be on the streets PERIOD. Personally for my money a life for a life, if not the death penalty then the rest of your natural life inside. Of course things like self defence and when it is an unprovoked attack would have to be dealt with accordingly.
The bottom line is everyone should know if you are not prepared to act a certain way in OUR societity YOU will be punished. This just does not happen now days, The way it is at the moment things would be no worse if the justice system did not exist as it certanly does not help us.
Posted by: anonymous on 11:38am Wed 21 May 08
[quote][bold]jay[/bold] wrote:
theres 2 sides 2 every story, there was a group fight between mr rodways freinds and daryls freinds so im not saying its right but it wasnt unprovoked.its not as though daryls gettin let out 4 good its 1 day supervised,the hospital are tryin 2 fix him dont u fink its better 2 try an fix people than jus lockem up an let em out years down the line still broken.i know daryl an he is a messed up kid that needs fixin an if lettin him out supervised for 1 day helps in the process do it coz fixin him instead of lettin him go still broken in the future could save sum1 elses life.[/quote] In response to your comment, there was not a group fight! Darrell's friends came running out of nowhere and attacked my three friends with the buckles of there belts while my friends tried to protect there faces, and Darrell stood in the doorway of Thomas cook watching this until he crepted up behind Dave and stabbed him. So yes it was unprovoked. i witnessed it all and i can esure you that Darrell and his friends just wanted a fight, we on the other hand were just out to have fun!
jay wrote:
theres 2 sides 2 every story, there was a group fight between mr rodways freinds and daryls freinds so im not saying its right but it wasnt unprovoked.its not as though daryls gettin let out 4 good its 1 day supervised,the hospital are tryin 2 fix him dont u fink its better 2 try an fix people than jus lockem up an let em out years down the line still broken.i know daryl an he is a messed up kid that needs fixin an if lettin him out supervised for 1 day helps in the process do it coz fixin him instead of lettin him go still broken in the future could save sum1 elses life.
In response to your comment, there was not a group fight! Darrell's friends came running out of nowhere and attacked my three friends with the buckles of there belts while my friends tried to protect there faces, and Darrell stood in the doorway of Thomas cook watching this until he crepted up behind Dave and stabbed him. So yes it was unprovoked. i witnessed it all and i can esure you that Darrell and his friends just wanted a fight, we on the other hand were just out to have fun!
Posted by: Justice for All, Orpington on 12:38pm Wed 21 May 08
Failure to pay your hyper inflated council tax? Prison.
Failure to pay your TV licence? Prison. Attack someone with a knife? Out on Bail. Kill someone whilst out on bail? Less than 2 years playing playstation and having your human rights gaurded ferociously by all the PC brigade.
If he was not mentally ill before he commited this crime (he was already on bail for attacking someone) then shouldn't he be tried for it now he is all better? (or maybe he should be subjected to scientific testing if he has recovered so quickly...maybe he could unlock the key to all sufferers of mental illness to be cured within months)
Failure to pay your hyper inflated council tax? Prison.
Failure to pay your TV licence? Prison. Attack someone with a knife? Out on Bail. Kill someone whilst out on bail? Less than 2 years playing playstation and having your human rights gaurded ferociously by all the PC brigade.
If he was not mentally ill before he commited this crime (he was already on bail for attacking someone) then shouldn't he be tried for it now he is all better? (or maybe he should be subjected to scientific testing if he has recovered so quickly...maybe he could unlock the key to all sufferers of mental illness to be cured within months)
Posted by: Sad to be British on 1:36pm Wed 21 May 08
[quote][bold]jay[/bold] wrote:
theres 2 sides 2 every story, there was a group fight between mr rodways freinds and daryls freinds so im not saying its right but it wasnt unprovoked.its not as though daryls gettin let out 4 good its 1 day supervised,the hospital are tryin 2 fix him dont u fink its better 2 try an fix people than jus lockem up an let em out years down the line still broken.i know daryl an he is a messed up kid that needs fixin an if lettin him out supervised for 1 day helps in the process do it coz fixin him instead of lettin him go still broken in the future could save sum1 elses life.[/quote] Give me strength "a mixed up kid that needs fixing"!
Weather a group fight did or did not take place is totally irrelevant, this animal crept up behind his victim and ploughed a screwdriver into his head, where exactly did the screwdriver come from Jay?.
NO! this vermin should not be released back into society "it" should be put to sleep like any other animal that attacks and is deemed dangerous!.
I have never read such a naieve load of rubbish in my life!.
jay wrote:
theres 2 sides 2 every story, there was a group fight between mr rodways freinds and daryls freinds so im not saying its right but it wasnt unprovoked.its not as though daryls gettin let out 4 good its 1 day supervised,the hospital are tryin 2 fix him dont u fink its better 2 try an fix people than jus lockem up an let em out years down the line still broken.i know daryl an he is a messed up kid that needs fixin an if lettin him out supervised for 1 day helps in the process do it coz fixin him instead of lettin him go still broken in the future could save sum1 elses life.
Give me strength "a mixed up kid that needs fixing"!
Weather a group fight did or did not take place is totally irrelevant, this animal crept up behind his victim and ploughed a screwdriver into his head, where exactly did the screwdriver come from Jay?.
NO! this vermin should not be released back into society "it" should be put to sleep like any other animal that attacks and is deemed dangerous!.
I have never read such a naieve load of rubbish in my life!.
Posted by: Justice for All, Orpington on 2:51pm Wed 21 May 08
[quote]jay wrote:
theres 2 sides 2 every story, there was a group fight between mr rodways freinds and daryls freinds so im not saying its right but it wasnt unprovoked.its not as though daryls gettin let out 4 good its 1 day supervised,the hospital are tryin 2 fix him dont u fink its better 2 try an fix people than jus lockem up an let em out years down the line still broken.i know daryl an he is a messed up kid that needs fixin an if lettin him out supervised for 1 day helps in the process do it coz fixin him instead of lettin him go still broken in the future could save sum1 elses life.[/quote]
So Jay, i would like to know the answer to just one question...when Darrell a)took a short cut through Bromley to make sure he could catch up to the victims (who were walking away) and b) hid in the shadows before attacking Dave from behind with screwdriver aimed at his HEAD...did he intend to kill him? How could his intentions of been anything else but to kill when striking with such force with a sharp objest to someones skull? Also, Is bragging to his friends about his "kill" a sign of mental impairment or of pure evil...i suspect the latter...As for "fixing him" to save another life - he couldn't endanger another life if he was locked up could he? And who is out there to fix Dave's brother?
jay wrote:
theres 2 sides 2 every story, there was a group fight between mr rodways freinds and daryls freinds so im not saying its right but it wasnt unprovoked.its not as though daryls gettin let out 4 good its 1 day supervised,the hospital are tryin 2 fix him dont u fink its better 2 try an fix people than jus lockem up an let em out years down the line still broken.i know daryl an he is a messed up kid that needs fixin an if lettin him out supervised for 1 day helps in the process do it coz fixin him instead of lettin him go still broken in the future could save sum1 elses life.
So Jay, i would like to know the answer to just one question...when Darrell a)took a short cut through Bromley to make sure he could catch up to the victims (who were walking away) and b) hid in the shadows before attacking Dave from behind with screwdriver aimed at his HEAD...did he intend to kill him? How could his intentions of been anything else but to kill when striking with such force with a sharp objest to someones skull? Also, Is bragging to his friends about his "kill" a sign of mental impairment or of pure evil...i suspect the latter...As for "fixing him" to save another life - he couldn't endanger another life if he was locked up could he? And who is out there to fix Dave's brother?
Posted by: jay on 7:01pm Wed 21 May 08
only daryl knows if he meant 2 kill mr rodway no1 else. and in response to the person who said wot i wrote was naive nonsense-1. u hav 2 b messed up 2 do sumfing like that 2. he will b released 4 good 1 day so its better 2 work with him and try and fix him than 2 do nothing an release him years down the line still the same. every1 is sayin eye 4 an eye an i agree wiv that but the fact remains in this country there is no eye 4 an eye law and people dont just get locked up an hav the key thrown away so people like daryl will b on the streets again and id rather him be out fixed than broken. so 2 the person who wrote this about my comment i think ur narrow minded 4 not lookin at the bigger picture.
only daryl knows if he meant 2 kill mr rodway no1 else. and in response to the person who said wot i wrote was naive nonsense-1. u hav 2 b messed up 2 do sumfing like that 2. he will b released 4 good 1 day so its better 2 work with him and try and fix him than 2 do nothing an release him years down the line still the same. every1 is sayin eye 4 an eye an i agree wiv that but the fact remains in this country there is no eye 4 an eye law and people dont just get locked up an hav the key thrown away so people like daryl will b on the streets again and id rather him be out fixed than broken. so 2 the person who wrote this about my comment i think ur narrow minded 4 not lookin at the bigger picture.
Posted by: natasha on 7:19pm Wed 21 May 08
the sick scum that done that should'nt be even seeing daylight ! but a day trip out. no its not right.
i remember mr rodaway's parents when i was little. im sure they deserved none of this too. rip ****
the sick scum that done that should'nt be even seeing daylight ! but a day trip out. no its not right.
i remember mr rodaway's parents when i was little. im sure they deserved none of this too. rip ****
Posted by: M, LONDON on 11:32pm Wed 21 May 08
jay
I'm sure you would be saying the same if it was YOUR brother,son that was brutally murdered?
You do not know the family's suffering so do not try to justify the actions of a cold-bloodied-killer
!!
jay
I'm sure you would be saying the same if it was YOUR brother,son that was brutally murdered?
You do not know the family's suffering so do not try to justify the actions of a cold-bloodied-killer
!!
Posted by: M, LONDON on 11:39pm Wed 21 May 08
Also people(scum)like this can not be "fixed" they should not be allowed back in to society at any time,but 17 months must be some kind of a joke.
Also people(scum)like this can not be "fixed" they should not be allowed back in to society at any time,but 17 months must be some kind of a joke.
Posted by: jacqui, orpington on 8:53am Thu 22 May 08
While on the subject of scum being released early.Lets not forget another oneof Mottinghams finest Craig Griffin.He murdered a man by stabbing him through the eye a couple of years ago and he got just over 3 yrs.So we can all look forward to him on our streets again soon.Now he is scum.
While on the subject of scum being released early.Lets not forget another oneof Mottinghams finest Craig Griffin.He murdered a man by stabbing him through the eye a couple of years ago and he got just over 3 yrs.So we can all look forward to him on our streets again soon.Now he is scum.
Posted by: jacqui, orpington on 8:57am Thu 22 May 08
while on the subject of scum.Another of mottinghams finest will be released in the near future.Craig Griffin murdered a man by stabbing him through the eye and got just over 3yrs so we can all look forward to that.and he was scum.
while on the subject of scum.Another of mottinghams finest will be released in the near future.Craig Griffin murdered a man by stabbing him through the eye and got just over 3yrs so we can all look forward to that.and he was scum.
Posted by: Roger, Leeds on 9:01am Thu 22 May 08
I am sure if jack the ripper would have been caught in our time he would get off just the same way.
With all the liberals yelling let's fix the poor soul.
What have we become.
I am sure if jack the ripper would have been caught in our time he would get off just the same way.
With all the liberals yelling let's fix the poor soul.
What have we become.
Posted by: Sad to be British on 11:04am Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]jay[/bold] wrote:
only daryl knows if he meant 2 kill mr rodway no1 else. and in response to the person who said wot i wrote was naive nonsense-1. u hav 2 b messed up 2 do sumfing like that 2. he will b released 4 good 1 day so its better 2 work with him and try and fix him than 2 do nothing an release him years down the line still the same. every1 is sayin eye 4 an eye an i agree wiv that but the fact remains in this country there is no eye 4 an eye law and people dont just get locked up an hav the key thrown away so people like daryl will b on the streets again and id rather him be out fixed than broken. so 2 the person who wrote this about my comment i think ur narrow minded 4 not lookin at the bigger picture.[/quote] Jay Jay Jay I think your very lucky the hardest word thrown in your direction was NAIVE!
You say "only Daryl knows if he meant to kill Mr Rodway no1 else"
He ploughed a fecking screwdeiver through the back of his head...what else could his intentions have possibly been!!!!! for what ever reason you feel you need to justify his actions wake up and see animals like him do not need protecting they need putting to sleep.
As for him being on the streets again, please let him fall over the nearest cliff and die a very lonely death!
Sorry if I offened any PC crazy people but he deserves nothing more!
jay wrote:
only daryl knows if he meant 2 kill mr rodway no1 else. and in response to the person who said wot i wrote was naive nonsense-1. u hav 2 b messed up 2 do sumfing like that 2. he will b released 4 good 1 day so its better 2 work with him and try and fix him than 2 do nothing an release him years down the line still the same. every1 is sayin eye 4 an eye an i agree wiv that but the fact remains in this country there is no eye 4 an eye law and people dont just get locked up an hav the key thrown away so people like daryl will b on the streets again and id rather him be out fixed than broken. so 2 the person who wrote this about my comment i think ur narrow minded 4 not lookin at the bigger picture.
Jay Jay Jay I think your very lucky the hardest word thrown in your direction was NAIVE!
You say "only Daryl knows if he meant to kill Mr Rodway no1 else"
He ploughed a fecking screwdeiver through the back of his head...what else could his intentions have possibly been!!!!! for what ever reason you feel you need to justify his actions wake up and see animals like him do not need protecting they need putting to sleep.
As for him being on the streets again, please let him fall over the nearest cliff and die a very lonely death!
Sorry if I offened any PC crazy people but he deserves nothing more!
Posted by: ben on 11:13am Thu 22 May 08
to the idiot who called craig griffin scum, the man who he killed tried 2 kidnap craig wiv his freind he also stabbed craig 1st and the knife that killed the man was his own knife that he stabbed craig with 1st, if sum1 was trying 2 kidnap and stab me id do wotever i could 2 get away just as craig did.
to the idiot who called craig griffin scum, the man who he killed tried 2 kidnap craig wiv his freind he also stabbed craig 1st and the knife that killed the man was his own knife that he stabbed craig with 1st, if sum1 was trying 2 kidnap and stab me id do wotever i could 2 get away just as craig did.
Posted by: jay on 11:31am Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]Sad to be British[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]jay[/bold] wrote: only daryl knows if he meant 2 kill mr rodway no1 else. and in response to the person who said wot i wrote was naive nonsense-1. u hav 2 b messed up 2 do sumfing like that 2. he will b released 4 good 1 day so its better 2 work with him and try and fix him than 2 do nothing an release him years down the line still the same. every1 is sayin eye 4 an eye an i agree wiv that but the fact remains in this country there is no eye 4 an eye law and people dont just get locked up an hav the key thrown away so people like daryl will b on the streets again and id rather him be out fixed than broken. so 2 the person who wrote this about my comment i think ur narrow minded 4 not lookin at the bigger picture.[/quote] Jay Jay Jay I think your very lucky the hardest word thrown in your direction was NAIVE! You say "only Daryl knows if he meant to kill Mr Rodway no1 else" He ploughed a fecking screwdeiver through the back of his head...what else could his intentions have possibly been!!!!! for what ever reason you feel you need to justify his actions wake up and see animals like him do not need protecting they need putting to sleep. As for him being on the streets again, please let him fall over the nearest cliff and die a very lonely death! Sorry if I offened any PC crazy people but he deserves nothing more! [/quote] right 1st of all im not defending his actions they r undefendable. in an ideal world murderers rapists ect should killed or locked up 4 ever but the reality is they wont an probably never will, so we hav 2 concede that 1day these people will b released every1 is sayin they should never b let out ect but the fact is they will so it is best 4 every1 that these people r workred with whilst inside prison or mental hospital 2 TRY and make them less of a risk when they r released. so no im not naive or politically correct im a realist. its easy 2 say he should b killed fall of a cliff but he isnt goin2 hes goin2 b released in the future whether we like it or not and in my opinion i would rather him recieve help and treatment than jus released in the future with none.
Sad to be British wrote:
jay wrote: only daryl knows if he meant 2 kill mr rodway no1 else. and in response to the person who said wot i wrote was naive nonsense-1. u hav 2 b messed up 2 do sumfing like that 2. he will b released 4 good 1 day so its better 2 work with him and try and fix him than 2 do nothing an release him years down the line still the same. every1 is sayin eye 4 an eye an i agree wiv that but the fact remains in this country there is no eye 4 an eye law and people dont just get locked up an hav the key thrown away so people like daryl will b on the streets again and id rather him be out fixed than broken. so 2 the person who wrote this about my comment i think ur narrow minded 4 not lookin at the bigger picture.
Jay Jay Jay I think your very lucky the hardest word thrown in your direction was NAIVE! You say "only Daryl knows if he meant to kill Mr Rodway no1 else" He ploughed a fecking screwdeiver through the back of his head...what else could his intentions have possibly been!!!!! for what ever reason you feel you need to justify his actions wake up and see animals like him do not need protecting they need putting to sleep. As for him being on the streets again, please let him fall over the nearest cliff and die a very lonely death! Sorry if I offened any PC crazy people but he deserves nothing more!
right 1st of all im not defending his actions they r undefendable. in an ideal world murderers rapists ect should killed or locked up 4 ever but the reality is they wont an probably never will, so we hav 2 concede that 1day these people will b released every1 is sayin they should never b let out ect but the fact is they will so it is best 4 every1 that these people r workred with whilst inside prison or mental hospital 2 TRY and make them less of a risk when they r released. so no im not naive or politically correct im a realist. its easy 2 say he should b killed fall of a cliff but he isnt goin2 hes goin2 b released in the future whether we like it or not and in my opinion i would rather him recieve help and treatment than jus released in the future with none.
Posted by: Justice for All, Orpington on 12:57pm Thu 22 May 08
Whilst i do agree that there should be an effort to rehabilitate offenders, surely there is lots they can do to help him whilst he is still inside? Do they have to let him onto our steets? Whilst on day release he will be supervised by nurses - not police or security staff - but nurses who are told not to try and stop him if he flees. Now i'm sorry but should a murderer who in the past has threatened many people including women be allowed to stroll the streets with no one to stop him should he decide to attack someone else? If he is to be treated, he can be treated behing closed doors until people are sure he poses NO risk (and with his track record i don't think anyone could ever say that with 100% certainty)
Whilst i do agree that there should be an effort to rehabilitate offenders, surely there is lots they can do to help him whilst he is still inside? Do they have to let him onto our steets? Whilst on day release he will be supervised by nurses - not police or security staff - but nurses who are told not to try and stop him if he flees. Now i'm sorry but should a murderer who in the past has threatened many people including women be allowed to stroll the streets with no one to stop him should he decide to attack someone else? If he is to be treated, he can be treated behing closed doors until people are sure he poses NO risk (and with his track record i don't think anyone could ever say that with 100% certainty)
Posted by: jacqui, orpington on 4:13pm Thu 22 May 08
Ben, craig griffin is scum and always will be.when he was at school he was threatned with arrest because of his constant abuse and he told me that himself.When we lived in mottingham he made my kids lives a misery along with alot of other people.
Craig is a violent person who we don't want walking the streets and if he wasn't violent then why when he is released he is on license for life and he was nicked for racial abuse.Nice lad then Ben
Ben, craig griffin is scum and always will be.when he was at school he was threatned with arrest because of his constant abuse and he told me that himself.When we lived in mottingham he made my kids lives a misery along with alot of other people.
Craig is a violent person who we don't want walking the streets and if he wasn't violent then why when he is released he is on license for life and he was nicked for racial abuse.Nice lad then Ben
Posted by: ben on 4:46pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]jacqui[/bold] wrote:
Ben, craig griffin is scum and always will be.when he was at school he was threatned with arrest because of his constant abuse and he told me that himself.When we lived in mottingham he made my kids lives a misery along with alot of other people. Craig is a violent person who we don't want walking the streets and if he wasn't violent then why when he is released he is on license for life and he was nicked for racial abuse.Nice lad then Ben [/quote] ur the scum, i no a lot about the case and the reason he wasnt convicted 4 murder is coz the man stabbed craig 1st, and the man and his freind tried 2 kidnap him wot is they boy meant 2 do let 2 men kidnap him and stab him err i dnt fink so jacqui he done wot he had 2 do 2 get away from the situation craig didnt intend 2 kill him he didnt even hav a knife it was the mans who stabbed craig!which is y the jury found him not guilty of murder an quilty of manslaughter and coz of the situation craig was in the judge took it in2 account and gave him 3.5 years 2 serve at least. and nicked 4 racial abuse wow serious crime ay im sure a lot of people hav made a racist comment in the heat of the moment.
jacqui wrote:
Ben, craig griffin is scum and always will be.when he was at school he was threatned with arrest because of his constant abuse and he told me that himself.When we lived in mottingham he made my kids lives a misery along with alot of other people. Craig is a violent person who we don't want walking the streets and if he wasn't violent then why when he is released he is on license for life and he was nicked for racial abuse.Nice lad then Ben
ur the scum, i no a lot about the case and the reason he wasnt convicted 4 murder is coz the man stabbed craig 1st, and the man and his freind tried 2 kidnap him wot is they boy meant 2 do let 2 men kidnap him and stab him err i dnt fink so jacqui he done wot he had 2 do 2 get away from the situation craig didnt intend 2 kill him he didnt even hav a knife it was the mans who stabbed craig!which is y the jury found him not guilty of murder an quilty of manslaughter and coz of the situation craig was in the judge took it in2 account and gave him 3.5 years 2 serve at least. and nicked 4 racial abuse wow serious crime ay im sure a lot of people hav made a racist comment in the heat of the moment.
Posted by: jacqui, orpington on 5:05pm Thu 22 May 08
you poor misguided soul.So it's ok to dish out racial abuse then is it.thats ok.The man was standing at the bus stop minding his own when along came big bad craig and thought he would do a bit of serious racial abuse.
From when Craig was little no matter what he did he was never made accountable by his parents Dave and viv for anything bad he had done and so that went on through his life and when he got done for manslaughter he got away with murder.I said to one of my sons years ago he will end up murdering someone and unfotunately i was right.He is such a nice fella he hit his mate james round the back of the head with alump of wood and it seems to me ben that if you think racial abuse with violence is the norm then your as much a scum bag as craig griffen
you poor misguided soul.So it's ok to dish out racial abuse then is it.thats ok.The man was standing at the bus stop minding his own when along came big bad craig and thought he would do a bit of serious racial abuse.
From when Craig was little no matter what he did he was never made accountable by his parents Dave and viv for anything bad he had done and so that went on through his life and when he got done for manslaughter he got away with murder.I said to one of my sons years ago he will end up murdering someone and unfotunately i was right.He is such a nice fella he hit his mate james round the back of the head with alump of wood and it seems to me ben that if you think racial abuse with violence is the norm then your as much a scum bag as craig griffen
Posted by: Anonymous on 6:25pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]jacqui[/bold] wrote:
you poor misguided soul.So it\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s ok to dish out racial abuse then is it.thats ok.The man was standing at the bus stop minding his own when along came big bad craig and thought he would do a bit of serious racial abuse. From when Craig was little no matter what he did he was never made accountable by his parents Dave and viv for anything bad he had done and so that went on through his life and when he got done for manslaughter he got away with murder.I said to one of my sons years ago he will end up murdering someone and unfotunately i was right.He is such a nice fella he hit his mate james round the back of the head with alump of wood and it seems to me ben that if you think racial abuse with violence is the norm then your as much a scum bag as craig griffen[/quote] Jacqui, is there anyone you know who hasn't murdered someone????? With all due respect can i remind all that this topic is based on David Rodway! If people want to have a slagging match can they please do this somewhere else as i am trying to collcet evidence for Darrells appeal so at least then our streets might be safer for a bit longer with one less uneducated loser![/bold]
jacqui wrote:
you poor misguided soul.So it\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s ok to dish out racial abuse then is it.thats ok.The man was standing at the bus stop minding his own when along came big bad craig and thought he would do a bit of serious racial abuse. From when Craig was little no matter what he did he was never made accountable by his parents Dave and viv for anything bad he had done and so that went on through his life and when he got done for manslaughter he got away with murder.I said to one of my sons years ago he will end up murdering someone and unfotunately i was right.He is such a nice fella he hit his mate james round the back of the head with alump of wood and it seems to me ben that if you think racial abuse with violence is the norm then your as much a scum bag as craig griffen
Jacqui, is there anyone you know who hasn't murdered someone????? With all due respect can i remind all that this topic is based on David Rodway! If people want to have a slagging match can they please do this somewhere else as i am trying to collcet evidence for Darrells appeal so at least then our streets might be safer for a bit longer with one less uneducated loser!
Posted by: Sad to be British on 7:06pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]jay[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sad to be British[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]jay[/bold] wrote: only daryl knows if he meant 2 kill mr rodway no1 else. and in response to the person who said wot i wrote was naive nonsense-1. u hav 2 b messed up 2 do sumfing like that 2. he will b released 4 good 1 day so its better 2 work with him and try and fix him than 2 do nothing an release him years down the line still the same. every1 is sayin eye 4 an eye an i agree wiv that but the fact remains in this country there is no eye 4 an eye law and people dont just get locked up an hav the key thrown away so people like daryl will b on the streets again and id rather him be out fixed than broken. so 2 the person who wrote this about my comment i think ur narrow minded 4 not lookin at the bigger picture.[/quote] Jay Jay Jay I think your very lucky the hardest word thrown in your direction was NAIVE! You say \"only Daryl knows if he meant to kill Mr Rodway no1 else\" He ploughed a fecking screwdeiver through the back of his head...what else could his intentions have possibly been!!!!! for what ever reason you feel you need to justify his actions wake up and see animals like him do not need protecting they need putting to sleep. As for him being on the streets again, please let him fall over the nearest cliff and die a very lonely death! Sorry if I offened any PC crazy people but he deserves nothing more! [/quote] right 1st of all im not defending his actions they r undefendable. in an ideal world murderers rapists ect should killed or locked up 4 ever but the reality is they wont an probably never will, so we hav 2 concede that 1day these people will b released every1 is sayin they should never b let out ect but the fact is they will so it is best 4 every1 that these people r workred with whilst inside prison or mental hospital 2 TRY and make them less of a risk when they r released. so no im not naive or politically correct im a realist. its easy 2 say he should b killed fall of a cliff but he isnt goin2 hes goin2 b released in the future whether we like it or not and in my opinion i would rather him recieve help and treatment than jus released in the future with none.[/quote] Ok in some cases you may be right but in this case I personally dont think so.
If the "animal" had served a life sentence then maybe I could agree with you but he hasn't!
Obviously he wont fall off a cliff as it seems only the good die young! but we live in hope!.
I would bet money that this low life will re-offend, he is laughing at the system and the way he has fooled people into thinking he is mentally ill! The trouble is these animals know the system as well as the police, they know what to say and how to act, I guess this is how he ended up in hospital and not prison.
jay wrote:
Sad to be British wrote: jay wrote: only daryl knows if he meant 2 kill mr rodway no1 else. and in response to the person who said wot i wrote was naive nonsense-1. u hav 2 b messed up 2 do sumfing like that 2. he will b released 4 good 1 day so its better 2 work with him and try and fix him than 2 do nothing an release him years down the line still the same. every1 is sayin eye 4 an eye an i agree wiv that but the fact remains in this country there is no eye 4 an eye law and people dont just get locked up an hav the key thrown away so people like daryl will b on the streets again and id rather him be out fixed than broken. so 2 the person who wrote this about my comment i think ur narrow minded 4 not lookin at the bigger picture.
Jay Jay Jay I think your very lucky the hardest word thrown in your direction was NAIVE! You say \"only Daryl knows if he meant to kill Mr Rodway no1 else\" He ploughed a fecking screwdeiver through the back of his head...what else could his intentions have possibly been!!!!! for what ever reason you feel you need to justify his actions wake up and see animals like him do not need protecting they need putting to sleep. As for him being on the streets again, please let him fall over the nearest cliff and die a very lonely death! Sorry if I offened any PC crazy people but he deserves nothing more!
right 1st of all im not defending his actions they r undefendable. in an ideal world murderers rapists ect should killed or locked up 4 ever but the reality is they wont an probably never will, so we hav 2 concede that 1day these people will b released every1 is sayin they should never b let out ect but the fact is they will so it is best 4 every1 that these people r workred with whilst inside prison or mental hospital 2 TRY and make them less of a risk when they r released. so no im not naive or politically correct im a realist. its easy 2 say he should b killed fall of a cliff but he isnt goin2 hes goin2 b released in the future whether we like it or not and in my opinion i would rather him recieve help and treatment than jus released in the future with none.
Ok in some cases you may be right but in this case I personally dont think so.
If the "animal" had served a life sentence then maybe I could agree with you but he hasn't!
Obviously he wont fall off a cliff as it seems only the good die young! but we live in hope!.
I would bet money that this low life will re-offend, he is laughing at the system and the way he has fooled people into thinking he is mentally ill! The trouble is these animals know the system as well as the police, they know what to say and how to act, I guess this is how he ended up in hospital and not prison.
Posted by: jacqui, orpington on 7:11pm Thu 22 May 08
What do you mean is there anyone i know that hasn't been murdered.What a stupid comment.This is an open forum and if you read my first message then you would know i was talking about Darrell coming out on day release after commiting a murder and i made a comment that another murderer would also be coming out too soon after he also commited a murder.
Whats your problem with that.There was no slagging match only replying to ben's comment's to me.And by the way if you are trying to get evidence for darrells appeal then why are you going by annonymous.lol
What do you mean is there anyone i know that hasn't been murdered.What a stupid comment.This is an open forum and if you read my first message then you would know i was talking about Darrell coming out on day release after commiting a murder and i made a comment that another murderer would also be coming out too soon after he also commited a murder.
Whats your problem with that.There was no slagging match only replying to ben's comment's to me.And by the way if you are trying to get evidence for darrells appeal then why are you going by annonymous.lol
Posted by: N Williams, Bromley on 7:35pm Thu 22 May 08
wat a farce are justice system is mcleish plays the I'm mad story and hes out n about in less than a yar and half
Horah for the cop wot said it not rite, peeple need to pay for crimes not get a cushty hospitle !!!!!!!!!!
wat a farce are justice system is mcleish plays the I'm mad story and hes out n about in less than a yar and half
Horah for the cop wot said it not rite, peeple need to pay for crimes not get a cushty hospitle !!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Anonymous on 7:43pm Thu 22 May 08
[quote][bold]jacqui[/bold] wrote:
What do you mean is there anyone i know that hasn't been murdered.What a stupid comment.This is an open forum and if you read my first message then you would know i was talking about Darrell coming out on day release after commiting a murder and i made a comment that another murderer would also be coming out too soon after he also commited a murder. Whats your problem with that.There was no slagging match only replying to ben's comment's to me.And by the way if you are trying to get evidence for darrells appeal then why are you going by annonymous.lol[/quote] Because i know he is a dangerous person and if he gets out i don't want him to know who was trying to prevent this from happening.....it's not that silly really is it if you use a bit of logic and what relevance is it to who I am on this website? Jacqui please don't jump to the defence so much.....i wasn't insulting you just merely stating that you seem to know both these low lives but i also know that you seem to be on our side so why would i want to offend you? Also when i mentioned slagging matches, it wasn't necessary aimed at you!
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jacqui wrote:
What do you mean is there anyone i know that hasn't been murdered.What a stupid comment.This is an open forum and if you read my first message then you would know i was talking about Darrell coming out on day release after commiting a murder and i made a comment that another murderer would also be coming out too soon after he also commited a murder. Whats your problem with that.There was no slagging match only replying to ben's comment's to me.And by the way if you are trying to get evidence for darrells appeal then why are you going by annonymous.lol
Because i know he is a dangerous person and if he gets out i don't want him to know who was trying to prevent this from happening.....it's not that silly really is it if you use a bit of logic and what relevance is it to who I am on this website? Jacqui please don't jump to the defence so much.....i wasn't insulting you just merely stating that you seem to know both these low lives but i also know that you seem to be on our side so why would i want to offend you? Also when i mentioned slagging matches, it wasn't necessary aimed at you!
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Posted by: Pete, London on 11:48pm Thu 22 May 08
I'm sorry if this isn't directly relevant to the debate thats going on, but I have been following whats been said and felt I had to get a few things off my chest.
I was in the Walkabout that night. I left at chucking-out time and was drawn up the high street by the comotion of a fight that was about to start. I was in the road when my eyes happened to rest on a young lad next to a bus stop when someone jumped out of a doorway and stabbed him in the head. I saw the whole thing, and it was a cold and completely unprovoked attack. David never had a chance to defend himself.
Although I never knew David myself, he is about my age, and from what I read, he seemed like a decend young lad who never ever deserved to have his life stolen from him. For what its worth, I can only express my deepest condolences and sympathies to the friends and family of David, who have been robbed of a son, brother and close mate.
When I heard the maniac that did this was to be allowed back onto the streets, I was almost sick. I can't even begin to imagine what his poor family must have been through, but I have no doubt the wounds are nowhere near healed.
If those so-called "doctors" and "experts" had been there that night, or it was their son or friend who been attacked, you know they would be singing a very different tune.
This isn't justice...
I'm sorry if this isn't directly relevant to the debate thats going on, but I have been following whats been said and felt I had to get a few things off my chest.
I was in the Walkabout that night. I left at chucking-out time and was drawn up the high street by the comotion of a fight that was about to start. I was in the road when my eyes happened to rest on a young lad next to a bus stop when someone jumped out of a doorway and stabbed him in the head. I saw the whole thing, and it was a cold and completely unprovoked attack. David never had a chance to defend himself.
Although I never knew David myself, he is about my age, and from what I read, he seemed like a decend young lad who never ever deserved to have his life stolen from him. For what its worth, I can only express my deepest condolences and sympathies to the friends and family of David, who have been robbed of a son, brother and close mate.
When I heard the maniac that did this was to be allowed back onto the streets, I was almost sick. I can't even begin to imagine what his poor family must have been through, but I have no doubt the wounds are nowhere near healed.
If those so-called "doctors" and "experts" had been there that night, or it was their son or friend who been attacked, you know they would be singing a very different tune.
This isn't justice...
Posted by: Phil on 4:17pm Fri 23 May 08
[quote][bold]Pete[/bold] wrote:
I'm sorry if this isn't directly relevant to the debate thats going on, but I have been following whats been said and felt I had to get a few things off my chest. I was in the Walkabout that night. I left at chucking-out time and was drawn up the high street by the comotion of a fight that was about to start. I was in the road when my eyes happened to rest on a young lad next to a bus stop when someone jumped out of a doorway and stabbed him in the head. I saw the whole thing, and it was a cold and completely unprovoked attack. David never had a chance to defend himself. Although I never knew David myself, he is about my age, and from what I read, he seemed like a decend young lad who never ever deserved to have his life stolen from him. For what its worth, I can only express my deepest condolences and sympathies to the friends and family of David, who have been robbed of a son, brother and close mate. When I heard the maniac that did this was to be allowed back onto the streets, I was almost sick. I can't even begin to imagine what his poor family must have been through, but I have no doubt the wounds are nowhere near healed. If those so-called "doctors" and "experts" had been there that night, or it was their son or friend who been attacked, you know they would be singing a very different tune. This isn't justice... [/quote] Everything you say is so true although i was a bit confussed about the bit where you said "I left at chucking-out time and was drawn up the high street by the comotion of a fight that was about to start." because they were walking off to get a cab home so there was no fight planned! Maybe i read your message wrong i dunno but apart from that everything you say is so true! I was also there that night too and I think its one of those things that you had to see it to realise how evil it all was. Not that i'm saying people don't think that who wasn't there but that night completley shocked me, ive never seen anything quite like it before and for quite a while I had very bad nightmares over it all so if it effected me so badly I would hate to know how bad his brother who was also there that night feels. It all seems to be about poor old Mcleish having his freedom.....at least he and his family are still alive! Its a complete joke.
Pete wrote:
I'm sorry if this isn't directly relevant to the debate thats going on, but I have been following whats been said and felt I had to get a few things off my chest. I was in the Walkabout that night. I left at chucking-out time and was drawn up the high street by the comotion of a fight that was about to start. I was in the road when my eyes happened to rest on a young lad next to a bus stop when someone jumped out of a doorway and stabbed him in the head. I saw the whole thing, and it was a cold and completely unprovoked attack. David never had a chance to defend himself. Although I never knew David myself, he is about my age, and from what I read, he seemed like a decend young lad who never ever deserved to have his life stolen from him. For what its worth, I can only express my deepest condolences and sympathies to the friends and family of David, who have been robbed of a son, brother and close mate. When I heard the maniac that did this was to be allowed back onto the streets, I was almost sick. I can't even begin to imagine what his poor family must have been through, but I have no doubt the wounds are nowhere near healed. If those so-called "doctors" and "experts" had been there that night, or it was their son or friend who been attacked, you know they would be singing a very different tune. This isn't justice...
Everything you say is so true although i was a bit confussed about the bit where you said "I left at chucking-out time and was drawn up the high street by the comotion of a fight that was about to start." because they were walking off to get a cab home so there was no fight planned! Maybe i read your message wrong i dunno but apart from that everything you say is so true! I was also there that night too and I think its one of those things that you had to see it to realise how evil it all was. Not that i'm saying people don't think that who wasn't there but that night completley shocked me, ive never seen anything quite like it before and for quite a while I had very bad nightmares over it all so if it effected me so badly I would hate to know how bad his brother who was also there that night feels. It all seems to be about poor old Mcleish having his freedom.....at least he and his family are still alive! Its a complete joke.
Posted by: James, Ambling around on 1:47am Sat 24 May 08
Why didnt the judge simply give this animal a life sentence with a minimum 30 year term and then add the caveat that he should be detained at a mental hospital until he can serve the remainder of his sentence @ Her Maj. Pleasure? That way, if his mental health recovers then he can serve his sentence in a prison or he remains indefinately in a secure mental health facility.
Madness, utter and complete madness.
My heart goes out to the family who lost their son.
Why didnt the judge simply give this animal a life sentence with a minimum 30 year term and then add the caveat that he should be detained at a mental hospital until he can serve the remainder of his sentence @ Her Maj. Pleasure? That way, if his mental health recovers then he can serve his sentence in a prison or he remains indefinately in a secure mental health facility.
Madness, utter and complete madness.
My heart goes out to the family who lost their son.
Posted by: dave, local on 2:27am Sat 24 May 08
JAY do you work for the legal system or something??? Your startin to sound like these idiots that try sayin the same about rehab for pervs, nonses and other scum who 99% of the time re-commit crime the second they are released. The lame attempts of mental rehabilitation are a complete waste of time! The fella knew exactly what he was doing and should do time in jail, not having his back side wiped trying to convince people he has lost the plot for sympathy!!! HE IS A PIECE OF SCUM WHO SHOULDNT BE WALKING THE STREETS AGAIN...
JAY do you work for the legal system or something??? Your startin to sound like these idiots that try sayin the same about rehab for pervs, nonses and other scum who 99% of the time re-commit crime the second they are released. The lame attempts of mental rehabilitation are a complete waste of time! The fella knew exactly what he was doing and should do time in jail, not having his back side wiped trying to convince people he has lost the plot for sympathy!!! HE IS A PIECE OF SCUM WHO SHOULDNT BE WALKING THE STREETS AGAIN...
Posted by: pete, london on 2:43am Sat 24 May 08
Hiya Phil, Sorry I don't think I explained myself very well. I didn't mean to insinuate there was a fight somehow planned. What I meant was, when I arrived onto the scene, there was shouting, scuffles breaking-out and people spilling out on the street.
I do feel that I exactly understand what you're saying though. I had to take my degree final exams a few days later, and I didn't sleep at all through the whole time. I have replayed the incident so many times in my head, wondering what I wish I could have done differently... if I had been standing right near to David instead of in the road behind him, could I have done something to have stopped it? But I realised that there is nothing any of us could have done to stop it.
The fact of the matter is, any maniac who goes on nights out looking for trouble carrying a skrewdriver is going to find it sooner or later. It wasn't an accident or "heat of the moment" incident. It was completely cold and calculated, if it hadn't have been David that day, it would have been someone else soon after.
I know that is absolutely no comfort to the people who knew and loved David, which is why I was so disgusted when they were talking about Darrells "day release".
Why is it that he does the crime, while it's his friends and family that do the time?
Hiya Phil, Sorry I don't think I explained myself very well. I didn't mean to insinuate there was a fight somehow planned. What I meant was, when I arrived onto the scene, there was shouting, scuffles breaking-out and people spilling out on the street.
I do feel that I exactly understand what you're saying though. I had to take my degree final exams a few days later, and I didn't sleep at all through the whole time. I have replayed the incident so many times in my head, wondering what I wish I could have done differently... if I had been standing right near to David instead of in the road behind him, could I have done something to have stopped it? But I realised that there is nothing any of us could have done to stop it.
The fact of the matter is, any maniac who goes on nights out looking for trouble carrying a skrewdriver is going to find it sooner or later. It wasn't an accident or "heat of the moment" incident. It was completely cold and calculated, if it hadn't have been David that day, it would have been someone else soon after.
I know that is absolutely no comfort to the people who knew and loved David, which is why I was so disgusted when they were talking about Darrells "day release".
Why is it that he does the crime, while it's his friends and family that do the time?
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Thank you Posted by: i knew him as well, beckenham on 10:49am Tue 27 May 08
I too was a very good freind of Dave's.. and as the anonyomous writter Dave was the nicest bloke I have ever had the fortune to meet, and will probably ever meet.. There is not a day go by where I do not think about him..
The way I see it if he is fit enough to come out of the mental hospital he should now go on trail for what he did..
I too was a very good freind of Dave's.. and as the anonyomous writter Dave was the nicest bloke I have ever had the fortune to meet, and will probably ever meet.. There is not a day go by where I do not think about him..
The way I see it if he is fit enough to come out of the mental hospital he should now go on trail for what he did..
Posted by: i knew him as well, beckenham on 4:21pm Tue 27 May 08
ok if anyone has any information that would help please mail the below address.. Jacqui I would like to hear from you and anyone that was not called as witness please mail me with some details I will mail back and if needed call you.. and your information will not be passed onto anyone without your permission 1st so please mail
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ok if anyone has any information that would help please mail the below address.. Jacqui I would like to hear from you and anyone that was not called as witness please mail me with some details I will mail back and if needed call you.. and your information will not be passed onto anyone without your permission 1st so please mail
staybehindbars@hotma
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Posted by: anon on 2:47pm Wed 28 May 08
im afraid it isnt as simple as sending him back to prison once he is deemed to be better, im not saying it is right. but that is the way the law works, if someone is convicted of causing someones death directly because of mental illness then they are found guilty under the grounds of diminished responsibility, this more or less meants that they have to be detained in a forensic mental health hospital until psychiatrists assess that they are no longer a threat, then an application muct be made to the home office and they must agree that they can come off a home office section, this is not a decision made by one but many professionals.
Only people convicted of murder who's mental illness did not play a part in the crime have to return to prison when they are deemed fit
http://www.hyperguid
e.co.uk/mha/s47.htm
http://www.hyperguid
e.co.uk/mha/s37.htm
http://www.hyperguid
e.co.uk/mha/s41.htm
i have enclosed links which explains a bit about the mental health act sections about home office restricted patiens if anyone wants to read.
again i am not agreeing with the decision but that is the law
im afraid it isnt as simple as sending him back to prison once he is deemed to be better, im not saying it is right. but that is the way the law works, if someone is convicted of causing someones death directly because of mental illness then they are found guilty under the grounds of diminished responsibility, this more or less meants that they have to be detained in a forensic mental health hospital until psychiatrists assess that they are no longer a threat, then an application muct be made to the home office and they must agree t
