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Teacher accused of pupil ‘retard’ insult
A SCHOOL has launched an investigation after a pupil with special needs alleged a teacher called him a "retard".
Fourteen-year-old Connor Heron claims he was insulted by a teacher during a class at St George's CofE School, Meadow Road, Gravesend, last Wednesday.
Connor, who suffers attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), Tourette's syndrome and obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), told his mother about the incident. She says she then complained to the police.
Jodie Heron, 39, of Old East Road, Gravesend, said: "My son was making some sort of noise in class and was told to shut up by the teacher.
"Another student explained to him he has special needs and the teacher said Oh, so you are a retard'."
Mrs Heron reported this to the police the following day and was advised to go to the school to request an apology from the teacher.
However, when she went to the school the staff there denied her access to the building.
She says this left her feeling "livid" and she is now demanding the school sacks the teacher and improves the way it deals with pupils with special needs.
Mrs Heron said: "My son should be given support. He shouldn't be discriminated against and humiliated in front of his friends.
"The teacher should lose his job and the school should provide special training for teachers who
deal with students with special needs."
Mrs Heron claims this is not the first time her son has been insulted by a teacher.
She said: "There was an incident in April, before half-term, when Connor was making a tapping noise on the table.
"The teacher asked him to stop, so he apologised.
"But then he continued to tap. The teacher said Are you special needs or something?'"
Because of this, Mrs Heron suspects other pupils with special needs at the school may have been insulted by staff.
She would like their parents to call her on 07864 972444 so they can take action together.
A school spokesman said: "The school is following its usual proceedings in investigating the concern raised."
A spokesman for north Kent police said: "Officers are investigating the incident and as a result we cannot comment further at this time."
9:48am Tuesday 20th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: Yve, Work on 10:19am Tue 20 May 08
A teacher in my daughters school was acting like he was disabled and when my daughter asked him what he was doing he said 'I'm being a retard'. My daughter went absolutely mad! She has a disabled sibling and does not find behaviour like this acceptable. So it does go on in schools from teachers.
A teacher in my daughters school was acting like he was disabled and when my daughter asked him what he was doing he said 'I'm being a retard'. My daughter went absolutely mad! She has a disabled sibling and does not find behaviour like this acceptable. So it does go on in schools from teachers.
Posted by: Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Study on 10:25am Tue 20 May 08
Regardless of what the teacher allegedly said, with all those medical conditions, shouldn't the child be in a school for children with special needs?
[bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold]
Regardless of what the teacher allegedly said, with all those medical conditions, shouldn't the child be in a school for children with special needs?
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott Posted by: KELLY, bromley on 10:43am Tue 20 May 08
your loard you are so right, my son to has all what her son has, also he has aspergers, i have been trying for 2 years and they still wont have him, i try hard so he is a good boy but with out the reall proper help i know he will turn into somthing bad.
my son to makes noises, its cos thay are so tensed up is why it happerns and have to always move.
but the differnce is my son is only 7 and this happerned infront of the whole school in assembley, so sceard and embaressed he wet himeself. so yes your lord you are right wish more people would noye children like mine and that boy need differnt education.
(sorry for the rummbled rant)
ps THEY ARE NOT RETARDS.
your loard you are so right, my son to has all what her son has, also he has aspergers, i have been trying for 2 years and they still wont have him, i try hard so he is a good boy but with out the reall proper help i know he will turn into somthing bad.
my son to makes noises, its cos thay are so tensed up is why it happerns and have to always move.
but the differnce is my son is only 7 and this happerned infront of the whole school in assembley, so sceard and embaressed he wet himeself. so yes your lord you are right wish more people would noye children like mine and that boy need differnt education.
(sorry for the rummbled rant)
ps THEY ARE NOT RETARDS.
Posted by: vern, west wickham on 10:58am Tue 20 May 08
This kids mother sounds like the retard here.She went to the POLICE to report a teacher....For *&&*s sake.What a moron
He should be at a special school not disrupting other kids.
MRS HERON YOU ARE A FOOL.
This kids mother sounds like the retard here.She went to the POLICE to report a teacher....For *&&*s sake.What a moron
He should be at a special school not disrupting other kids.
MRS HERON YOU ARE A FOOL.
Posted by: Janine on 11:11am Tue 20 May 08
Maybe the mother of this child should start looking at her own parenting skills before blaming others.He sounds very disruptive and lets be honest here he is retarded like it or not.
Maybe the mother of this child should start looking at her own parenting skills before blaming others.He sounds very disruptive and lets be honest here he is retarded like it or not.
Posted by: Lynne on 11:11am Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]vern[/bold] wrote:
This kids mother sounds like the retard here.She went to the POLICE to report a teacher....For *&&*s sake.What a moron He should be at a special school not disrupting other kids. MRS HERON YOU ARE A FOOL.[/quote] If the councils had not closed all the special schools then some of these pupils who need specialist support could have it. As a school governor many of the discipline issues that lead to exclusions that I have to deal with are due to pupils being in schools that are not right for them.
Many parents also feel the same.
vern wrote:
This kids mother sounds like the retard here.She went to the POLICE to report a teacher....For *&&*s sake.What a moron He should be at a special school not disrupting other kids. MRS HERON YOU ARE A FOOL.
If the councils had not closed all the special schools then some of these pupils who need specialist support could have it. As a school governor many of the discipline issues that lead to exclusions that I have to deal with are due to pupils being in schools that are not right for them.
Many parents also feel the same.
Posted by: theword, here on 11:39am Tue 20 May 08
I suffer from CDO.Its the same as OCD but the letters are in the right order.
I suffer from CDO.Its the same as OCD but the letters are in the right order.
Posted by: ClockWatcher, Welling on 11:42am Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold] wrote:
Regardless of what the teacher allegedly said, with all those medical conditions, shouldn't the child be in a school for children with special needs? [bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold] [/quote] There are a few Special schools around, but they only have places available for a handful of severely disabled children, those that cannot talk or have severe physical disabilities. The majority of ADHA/Asperger's/Auti
stic children and function perfectly well in mainstream schools with a little additional help.
There are approximately 10-12 special needs children in every mainstream school.
To Janine:
The word 'retarded' is an abusive term that should never be used. Like the use of certain words can be seen as racist or sexist. This word is discriminating. The accepted term is disabled.
As for the story - I fully back Jodie Heron, the teacher should be sacked. There is no place in this world for teachers who can be so cruel and hurtful.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott wrote:
Regardless of what the teacher allegedly said, with all those medical conditions, shouldn't the child be in a school for children with special needs? Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
There are a few Special schools around, but they only have places available for a handful of severely disabled children, those that cannot talk or have severe physical disabilities. The majority of ADHA/Asperger's/Auti
stic children and function perfectly well in mainstream schools with a little additional help.
There are approximately 10-12 special needs children in every mainstream school.
To Janine:
The word 'retarded' is an abusive term that should never be used. Like the use of certain words can be seen as racist or sexist. This word is discriminating. The accepted term is disabled.
As for the story - I fully back Jodie Heron, the teacher should be sacked. There is no place in this world for teachers who can be so cruel and hurtful.
Posted by: Blue, SE London on 11:54am Tue 20 May 08
Vern and Janine, you should be ashamed of yourselves, disabled or special needs children are entitled to schooling and a good quality of life no matter what is wrong with them, how would you feel if it was your child and people were making disgusting comments like the ones you made ? Have a heart, keep your vile opinions to yourself, and before anyone starts shouting about "freedom of speech" think about the mothers feelings for once !
Vern and Janine, you should be ashamed of yourselves, disabled or special needs children are entitled to schooling and a good quality of life no matter what is wrong with them, how would you feel if it was your child and people were making disgusting comments like the ones you made ? Have a heart, keep your vile opinions to yourself, and before anyone starts shouting about "freedom of speech" think about the mothers feelings for once !
Posted by: Tutu, bexley on 11:55am Tue 20 May 08
How could you believe what was said. A qualified teacher would not refer to no pupil in that manner. However, You should ask for extra support to keep your child focus in lessons instead of distrupting it. If the teacher was sacked what good would it be for other pupils?
How could you believe what was said. A qualified teacher would not refer to no pupil in that manner. However, You should ask for extra support to keep your child focus in lessons instead of distrupting it. If the teacher was sacked what good would it be for other pupils?
Posted by: John, Greenhithe on 12:01pm Tue 20 May 08
Perhaps Mrs Heron would like to have a chat with the parents of non 'special needs' children whose education is constantly disrupted by those poorly behaved and poorly parented brats with the mythical ADHD.
Perhaps Mrs Heron would like to have a chat with the parents of non 'special needs' children whose education is constantly disrupted by those poorly behaved and poorly parented brats with the mythical ADHD.
Posted by: ClockWatcher, Welling on 12:01pm Tue 20 May 08
Just because a teacher is qulified does not mean they are above being spiteful and nasty.
You just have to read the comments here to see the negative feelings of other rational adults towards disabled children.
Qualifications don't come into it.
Just because a teacher is qulified does not mean they are above being spiteful and nasty.
You just have to read the comments here to see the negative feelings of other rational adults towards disabled children.
Qualifications don't come into it.
Posted by: ClockWatcher, Welling on 12:03pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps Mrs Heron would like to have a chat with the parents of non 'special needs' children whose education is constantly disrupted by those poorly behaved and poorly parented brats with the mythical ADHD.[/quote] Would you say that to a parent of a child with Downes Syndrome?
Just because you cannot see the disablility does not mean it is not there.
Your attitude disgusts me.
John wrote:
Perhaps Mrs Heron would like to have a chat with the parents of non 'special needs' children whose education is constantly disrupted by those poorly behaved and poorly parented brats with the mythical ADHD.
Would you say that to a parent of a child with Downes Syndrome?
Just because you cannot see the disablility does not mean it is not there.
Your attitude disgusts me.
Posted by: Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Classroom on 12:13pm Tue 20 May 08
Was not ADHD was known as 'naughty'?
[bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold]
Was not ADHD was known as 'naughty'?
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott Posted by: John, Greenhithe on 12:13pm Tue 20 May 08
To Clockwatcher:
I would not say that to a parent of Down's child, since you ask. There is a lot of debate about ADHD and there are serious doubts regarding the way it's prognosis and definition. Many children 'diagnosed' with the condition are simply displaying behaviour caused not by this condition, but by diet, lack of routine, lack of exercise. In short, poor parenting. It is the attitude of blame someone else parents that disgust me, which helps support a drugs industry that lobotomises children unecessarily in our schools.
To Clockwatcher:
I would not say that to a parent of Down's child, since you ask. There is a lot of debate about ADHD and there are serious doubts regarding the way it's prognosis and definition. Many children 'diagnosed' with the condition are simply displaying behaviour caused not by this condition, but by diet, lack of routine, lack of exercise. In short, poor parenting. It is the attitude of blame someone else parents that disgust me, which helps support a drugs industry that lobotomises children unecessarily in our schools.
Posted by: Danni, Sidcup on 12:18pm Tue 20 May 08
I am a parent of children at both secondary school and primary school. A short while ago schools in Bexley sent letters to the parents letting them know how many special needs places were going to be made available at the schools. My son has Ehler Danlos Syndrome, he has a high IQ but has difficulty in writing and walking and suffers multiple dislocations. It took over a year for the school to obtain an AlphaSmart word processor for him. How are they going to cope with children suffering from a wide range of conditions including varying degress of autism. Because my son suffers from physical disabilities we have found it difficult to get support. We spend over £3000 a year on wheelchairs and gel packs. We do not claim any benefits and don't even have a blue badge for the car. We are lucky I suppose but it could be much worse. I feel pity for the parents of children who are denied an educaton tailored to their childrens needs, which can only be provided in special schools.
I am a parent of children at both secondary school and primary school. A short while ago schools in Bexley sent letters to the parents letting them know how many special needs places were going to be made available at the schools. My son has Ehler Danlos Syndrome, he has a high IQ but has difficulty in writing and walking and suffers multiple dislocations. It took over a year for the school to obtain an AlphaSmart word processor for him. How are they going to cope with children suffering from a wide range of conditions including varying degress of autism. Because my son suffers from physical disabilities we have found it difficult to get support. We spend over £3000 a year on wheelchairs and gel packs. We do not claim any benefits and don't even have a blue badge for the car. We are lucky I suppose but it could be much worse. I feel pity for the parents of children who are denied an educaton tailored to their childrens needs, which can only be provided in special schools.
Posted by: John, Greenhithe on 12:31pm Tue 20 May 08
I completely agree with you Danni, and sympathise with your predicament. Teachers in mainstream education are not qualified to deal with the demands and needs of students with [bold]genuine[/bold] disabilities - mental or physical. You sound like you are dealing with the situation sensitively and admirably - unlike Mrs Heron.
I completely agree with you Danni, and sympathise with your predicament. Teachers in mainstream education are not qualified to deal with the demands and needs of students with
genuine disabilities - mental or physical. You sound like you are dealing with the situation sensitively and admirably - unlike Mrs Heron.
Posted by: ClockWatcher, Welling on 12:33pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote:
To Clockwatcher: I would not say that to a parent of Down's child, since you ask. There is a lot of debate about ADHD and there are serious doubts regarding the way it's prognosis and definition. Many children 'diagnosed' with the condition are simply displaying behaviour caused not by this condition, but by diet, lack of routine, lack of exercise. In short, poor parenting. It is the attitude of blame someone else parents that disgust me, which helps support a drugs industry that lobotomises children unecessarily in our schools. [/quote] Yes...... there is a lot of debate regarding some childrens diagnosis', but not ALL.
Some children are naturally disruptive, aggressive, rude and foul tempered, but the majority would not be diagnosed with anything other than a poor upbringing.
For a child to be diagnosed with any mental disability they will have to endure approximately 3 years of various tests and assessments with child psychologists, speach and language therapists, peadiatritions and SENCO's. It is not one person that decides on a child's diagnosis but a team of professionals.
They can't all be wrong.
John wrote:
To Clockwatcher: I would not say that to a parent of Down's child, since you ask. There is a lot of debate about ADHD and there are serious doubts regarding the way it's prognosis and definition. Many children 'diagnosed' with the condition are simply displaying behaviour caused not by this condition, but by diet, lack of routine, lack of exercise. In short, poor parenting. It is the attitude of blame someone else parents that disgust me, which helps support a drugs industry that lobotomises children unecessarily in our schools.
Yes...... there is a lot of debate regarding some childrens diagnosis', but not ALL.
Some children are naturally disruptive, aggressive, rude and foul tempered, but the majority would not be diagnosed with anything other than a poor upbringing.
For a child to be diagnosed with any mental disability they will have to endure approximately 3 years of various tests and assessments with child psychologists, speach and language therapists, peadiatritions and SENCO's. It is not one person that decides on a child's diagnosis but a team of professionals.
They can't all be wrong.
Posted by: ClockWatcher, Welling on 12:38pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold] wrote:
Was not ADHD was known as 'naughty'? [bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold] [/quote] This is the kind of preset negative opinion parents of ADHD, Autistic, etc, children have to face on a daily basis.
Our children are disabled - not naughty.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott wrote:
Was not ADHD was known as 'naughty'? Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
This is the kind of preset negative opinion parents of ADHD, Autistic, etc, children have to face on a daily basis.
Our children are disabled - not naughty.
Posted by: ClockWatcher, Welling on 12:42pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote:
I completely agree with you Danni, and sympathise with your predicament. Teachers in mainstream education are not qualified to deal with the demands and needs of students with [bold]genuine[/bold] disabilities - mental or physical. You sound like you are dealing with the situation sensitively and admirably - unlike Mrs Heron.[/quote] What has Mrs Heron done other than demand justice for her child?
A teacher should not belittle a child in front of his/her peers.
A teacher should be a role model for the children.
This teacher has shown the class that it is ok to discriminate against disabled children.
This teacher should be sacked.
John wrote:
I completely agree with you Danni, and sympathise with your predicament. Teachers in mainstream education are not qualified to deal with the demands and needs of students with genuine disabilities - mental or physical. You sound like you are dealing with the situation sensitively and admirably - unlike Mrs Heron.
What has Mrs Heron done other than demand justice for her child?
A teacher should not belittle a child in front of his/her peers.
A teacher should be a role model for the children.
This teacher has shown the class that it is ok to discriminate against disabled children.
This teacher should be sacked.
Posted by: Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, Outside The Headmaster's Office on 12:59pm Tue 20 May 08
I can accept autism because I have seen [bold]Rain Man[/bold] but ADHD is a term used by parents who have failed to teach their children how to behave properly.
When ADHD used to be known as 'naughty', the best cure for this behaviour was a smack on the bottom or across the back of the legs.
Believe me, it worked wonders and didn't cost the taxpayer a penny!
[bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold]
I can accept autism because I have seen
Rain Man but ADHD is a term used by parents who have failed to teach their children how to behave properly.
When ADHD used to be known as 'naughty', the best cure for this behaviour was a smack on the bottom or across the back of the legs.
Believe me, it worked wonders and didn't cost the taxpayer a penny!
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott Posted by: ClockWatcher, Welling on 1:17pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold] wrote:
I can accept autism because I have seen [bold]Rain Man[/bold] but ADHD is a term used by parents who have failed to teach their children how to behave properly. When ADHD used to be known as 'naughty', the best cure for this behaviour was a smack on the bottom or across the back of the legs. Believe me, it worked wonders and didn't cost the taxpayer a penny! [bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold] [/quote] There is no greater fool than an old fool.
ADHD is a recognised mental disability.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott wrote:
I can accept autism because I have seen Rain Man but ADHD is a term used by parents who have failed to teach their children how to behave properly. When ADHD used to be known as 'naughty', the best cure for this behaviour was a smack on the bottom or across the back of the legs. Believe me, it worked wonders and didn't cost the taxpayer a penny! Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
There is no greater fool than an old fool.
ADHD is a recognised mental disability.
Posted by: loopy lou, london on 1:36pm Tue 20 May 08
my daughter went to a school and was bullied. I eventually had to remove her from the school after much appealing, and was told that the boy in question doing the bullying had ADHD and autism. Nothing to this date has been done and he even strangled a little girl at school. Something has to be done as other children in the school are now targeted by this bully. I can sympathise with this lady, but there should be somewhere for these children to learn with extra carer's available during the day
my daughter went to a school and was bullied. I eventually had to remove her from the school after much appealing, and was told that the boy in question doing the bullying had ADHD and autism. Nothing to this date has been done and he even strangled a little girl at school. Something has to be done as other children in the school are now targeted by this bully. I can sympathise with this lady, but there should be somewhere for these children to learn with extra carer's available during the day
Posted by: Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Good Step on 1:44pm Tue 20 May 08
ADHD will one day be exposed as utter nonsense invented for weak parents who think that punishment involves sending a child to sit on the naughty step for ten minutes.
A D H D?
N A U G H T Y, more like.
[bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold]
ADHD will one day be exposed as utter nonsense invented for weak parents who think that punishment involves sending a child to sit on the naughty step for ten minutes.
A D H D?
N A U G H T Y, more like.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott Posted by: ClockWatcher, Welling on 1:53pm Tue 20 May 08
I pity you Erastus... you'll say anything for attention.
To Loopy Lou.
I'm sorry that your child was bullied by a child at school - the problem however lies with the school and their management of the situation. It must have been a very distressing time for you all. I hope she is now settled in her new school.
I pity you Erastus... you'll say anything for attention.
To Loopy Lou.
I'm sorry that your child was bullied by a child at school - the problem however lies with the school and their management of the situation. It must have been a very distressing time for you all. I hope she is now settled in her new school.
Posted by: Parent, Bexley on 1:54pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps Mrs Heron would like to have a chat with the parents of non 'special needs' children whose education is constantly disrupted by those poorly behaved and poorly parented brats with the mythical ADHD.[/quote] I was told my child had border line ADHD, but i feel it was wrong he would play up in the lessons when he felt he didnt like it and couldnt cope with upsetting the whole class on many of occasions, the only differnce with me and most parents i was not willing to put it down to being sick with ADHD, once he new i wouldnt let him get away with it started to improve and without mummy getting involed has turned out a great kid who knows now what is right and wrong. I think sometimes we are to quick to label them.
John wrote:
Perhaps Mrs Heron would like to have a chat with the parents of non 'special needs' children whose education is constantly disrupted by those poorly behaved and poorly parented brats with the mythical ADHD.
I was told my child had border line ADHD, but i feel it was wrong he would play up in the lessons when he felt he didnt like it and couldnt cope with upsetting the whole class on many of occasions, the only differnce with me and most parents i was not willing to put it down to being sick with ADHD, once he new i wouldnt let him get away with it started to improve and without mummy getting involed has turned out a great kid who knows now what is right and wrong. I think sometimes we are to quick to label them.
Posted by: Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott on 1:59pm Tue 20 May 08
ADHD reminds me of that other old favourite - dyslexia.
Children who were once quite rightly considered to be less academic or thicker than the clever ones are now labelled dyslexic.
It is utter claptrap and another get-out clause invented by the middle classes to explain why their cherubs still can't read by the time they start secondary school.
[bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold]
ADHD reminds me of that other old favourite - dyslexia.
Children who were once quite rightly considered to be less academic or thicker than the clever ones are now labelled dyslexic.
It is utter claptrap and another get-out clause invented by the middle classes to explain why their cherubs still can't read by the time they start secondary school.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott Posted by: Sophia, London on 2:08pm Tue 20 May 08
Whilst I do not always agree Erastus. I must admit, I too feel that ADHD is just a trendier and more "PC" term for being extremely naughty. Why is that so many children are classified with this disorder, when years ago the ADHD term was not even used then, it was called being unruly and naughty. Dietary, lack of discipline, more watching TV etc.. to me are what causes this disorder. If more people stopped giving into their child by letting them have sweets, Cola, Squash (all the time), letting them watch too much TV etc.. there would be a remarkable difference in that child's behaviour. I know that this is going off the article in question, so I will comment on that. Sacking a teacher is not the way to handle things, more money into providing facilities for children's education who are deemed to be special needs. It is also not fair on other students who are also subject to this disruption in class. Obviously, if the article is correct than the Teacher should be reprimanded and hopefully the school board will be able to put something into place that means that Teachers and their Assistants are able to interact with the students better, whether they be "Mensa IQ" or "Special needs".
Whilst I do not always agree Erastus. I must admit, I too feel that ADHD is just a trendier and more "PC" term for being extremely naughty. Why is that so many children are classified with this disorder, when years ago the ADHD term was not even used then, it was called being unruly and naughty. Dietary, lack of discipline, more watching TV etc.. to me are what causes this disorder. If more people stopped giving into their child by letting them have sweets, Cola, Squash (all the time), letting them watch too much TV etc.. there would be a remarkable difference in that child's behaviour. I know that this is going off the article in question, so I will comment on that. Sacking a teacher is not the way to handle things, more money into providing facilities for children's education who are deemed to be special needs. It is also not fair on other students who are also subject to this disruption in class. Obviously, if the article is correct than the Teacher should be reprimanded and hopefully the school board will be able to put something into place that means that Teachers and their Assistants are able to interact with the students better, whether they be "Mensa IQ" or "Special needs".
Posted by: KELLY, bromley on 2:18pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold] wrote:
Was not ADHD was known as 'naughty'? [bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold] [/quote] hello lord,
yes it was knowen as that and that what i was thought of as a child, i had so much rushing around in my head nothing seemed right or wrong, its like being wired wrong.
TO ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE
so now i have 2 kids with this, and im not going to let them suffer.
also what annoys me is that people with adhd children use it as an excuse for thier behaviour, well dont! it makes it worse and whats more you have given up on your kids and past the buck.
our adhd child suffer in silence as its not a notisable dissabilty you cant see it.
did you know nost kids with adhd try or do kill them selfs as people can not and will not.understand us.
also did you know that a mri scan show abnormalities in children with adhd.
so for people who says they are just bad. come spend a day with my wounderful children and see how they have to try so hard to understand us and we do with them.
because you cant see it it dont mean its not there. in fact we are more intelligent them you NORMAL people, but as you can see school didnt help me and i cant spell.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott wrote:
Was not ADHD was known as 'naughty'? Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
hello lord,
yes it was knowen as that and that what i was thought of as a child, i had so much rushing around in my head nothing seemed right or wrong, its like being wired wrong.
TO ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE
so now i have 2 kids with this, and im not going to let them suffer.
also what annoys me is that people with adhd children use it as an excuse for thier behaviour, well dont! it makes it worse and whats more you have given up on your kids and past the buck.
our adhd child suffer in silence as its not a notisable dissabilty you cant see it.
did you know nost kids with adhd try or do kill them selfs as people can not and will not.understand us.
also did you know that a mri scan show abnormalities in children with adhd.
so for people who says they are just bad. come spend a day with my wounderful children and see how they have to try so hard to understand us and we do with them.
because you cant see it it dont mean its not there. in fact we are more intelligent them you NORMAL people, but as you can see school didnt help me and i cant spell.
Posted by: Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott on 2:26pm Tue 20 May 08
Nonsense, KELLY, utter nonsense.
[bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold]
Nonsense, KELLY, utter nonsense.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott Posted by: GOD, WHERE DO YOU THINK on 2:28pm Tue 20 May 08
Are we taking the word of a naughty boy over that of a trained professional? He was told off for making noises, could he possibly have anything against the teacher, I know who I would believe>
Are we taking the word of a naughty boy over that of a trained professional? He was told off for making noises, could he possibly have anything against the teacher, I know who I would believe>
Posted by: ClockWatcher, Welling on 2:40pm Tue 20 May 08
I will not be drawn into another slanging match over disabled children.
Until you have personal experience of being a parent of a special needs child, or have qualified as a psychologist you have no idea what you are saying.
Your comments are narrow minded and discriminatory against disabled children.
Many things were not known 'years ago' that are now, it's called PROGRESS and DEVELOPMENT something some of you need to do.
I'm ashamed for you all.
I will not be drawn into another slanging match over disabled children.
Until you have personal experience of being a parent of a special needs child, or have qualified as a psychologist you have no idea what you are saying.
Your comments are narrow minded and discriminatory against disabled children.
Many things were not known 'years ago' that are now, it's called PROGRESS and DEVELOPMENT something some of you need to do.
I'm ashamed for you all.
Posted by: me on 2:49pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]Tutu[/bold] wrote:
How could you believe what was said. A qualified teacher would not refer to no pupil in that manner. However, You should ask for extra support to keep your child focus in lessons instead of distrupting it. If the teacher was sacked what good would it be for other pupils?[/quote] HA HA HA
and SOME Doctors dont kill like some priests dont rape like some parents dont abuse oh and dont forget the childrens home in jersey where nothing happened.
WAKE UP and take your head out of the sand
Tutu wrote:
How could you believe what was said. A qualified teacher would not refer to no pupil in that manner. However, You should ask for extra support to keep your child focus in lessons instead of distrupting it. If the teacher was sacked what good would it be for other pupils?
HA HA HA
and SOME Doctors dont kill like some priests dont rape like some parents dont abuse oh and dont forget the childrens home in jersey where nothing happened.
WAKE UP and take your head out of the sand
Posted by: kelly, bromlkey on 2:56pm Tue 20 May 08
ok tell me this then.
my son is very intelligent knows all the panets dinos can do sum in his head can spell better than yr 6 (and me)reads books all the time big books. watched documnetries. can tell you how our body works.
so no his not thick.
he has so so much energy i teach him right from wrong and i will punish him like any normal child.
they have no fear low levels of pain its not about being naughty, my son get angree cos he cant stop laughing cos he cant stay still.
plus his not bad he dont hurt people his just can not switch off.
he always says sorry always. and will always accept his punishment
so you tell my frightened little boy that its all made up.
have you every noticed that children with adhd smile more and are alot more happerier on the outside.
i can not mould me son just so you people can accept
him
tell you what tha man who invented the tellphone had adhd
terry bradshaw has adhd
jim carrey has adhd
cher has it to
but do you judge them.
no!
so dont judge cos we are the ones that invent things go to work and best of all entertain you.
also commnets like you lots make them give up cos you make them feel worth less.
ok tell me this then.
my son is very intelligent knows all the panets dinos can do sum in his head can spell better than yr 6 (and me)reads books all the time big books. watched documnetries. can tell you how our body works.
so no his not thick.
he has so so much energy i teach him right from wrong and i will punish him like any normal child.
they have no fear low levels of pain its not about being naughty, my son get angree cos he cant stop laughing cos he cant stay still.
plus his not bad he dont hurt people his just can not switch off.
he always says sorry always. and will always accept his punishment
so you tell my frightened little boy that its all made up.
have you every noticed that children with adhd smile more and are alot more happerier on the outside.
i can not mould me son just so you people can accept
him
tell you what tha man who invented the tellphone had adhd
terry bradshaw has adhd
jim carrey has adhd
cher has it to
but do you judge them.
no!
so dont judge cos we are the ones that invent things go to work and best of all entertain you.
also commnets like you lots make them give up cos you make them feel worth less.
Posted by: Sunny, London on 2:58pm Tue 20 May 08
So why isn't this child in a special needs school? Some schools also cater for special needs children. I used to be a teacher and the tapping noise or any constant interference within a class room is extremely disruptive, not just for the teacher but also for children who [bold]want[/bold] to learn. Tapping away with pens, shoes or otherwise is an extremely irritating sound and looses your trace of thought. I do believe in free of speech, but the mother has to take on board that her child, if he does have the above disabilities should take this into account and [bold]NOT[/bold] suddenly demand the teacher be sacked. Ridiculous!
So why isn't this child in a special needs school? Some schools also cater for special needs children. I used to be a teacher and the tapping noise or any constant interference within a class room is extremely disruptive, not just for the teacher but also for children who
want to learn. Tapping away with pens, shoes or otherwise is an extremely irritating sound and looses your trace of thought. I do believe in free of speech, but the mother has to take on board that her child, if he does have the above disabilities should take this into account and
NOT suddenly demand the teacher be sacked. Ridiculous!
Posted by: John, Greenhithe on 3:05pm Tue 20 May 08
According to Clockwatcher, ADHD is 1. A proven condition 2. Enough to classify a child as 'disabled'.
ADHD has never been proven to exist as a medical condition and therefore to classify a child as 'disabled' on such flimsy grounds is spurious to say the least. ADD/ADHD is an industry in this country - and it is an outrage. ADHD is the 'disease du jour' of British school children. ADD/ADHD is a popular diagnosis because it removes responsibility and guilt from parents. It is also convenient for schools - easy way to explain poor behaviour to inspectors. It is convenient for educational psychologists who are effectively paid for diagnosing. It is convenient for drug companies who earn millions for feeding ritalin to children. It provides a neat and cosy paradigm that offers children who undoubtedly have problems nothing but a label that fails to address the root causes of the behaviour in the first place.
According to Clockwatcher, ADHD is 1. A proven condition 2. Enough to classify a child as 'disabled'.
ADHD has never been proven to exist as a medical condition and therefore to classify a child as 'disabled' on such flimsy grounds is spurious to say the least. ADD/ADHD is an industry in this country - and it is an outrage. ADHD is the 'disease du jour' of British school children. ADD/ADHD is a popular diagnosis because it removes responsibility and guilt from parents. It is also convenient for schools - easy way to explain poor behaviour to inspectors. It is convenient for educational psychologists who are effectively paid for diagnosing. It is convenient for drug companies who earn millions for feeding ritalin to children. It provides a neat and cosy paradigm that offers children who undoubtedly have problems nothing but a label that fails to address the root causes of the behaviour in the first place.
Posted by: ADHD SUPPORT, Bromley on 3:11pm Tue 20 May 08
As the founder of Bromley-ADDvice.co.u
k I am very concerned about this incident.
We live in a country that insists we have 'inclusive' education where all abilities are mixed. Teachers are not trained how to cope with special needs children, they do not have the resources as the class sizes are huge for children without special needs!
This is [bold]bullying[/bold] & is not to be tolerated by anyone let alone a child with multiple problems. Special ed schools are very thin on the ground & places at them are so oversubscribed.In the perfect world all children would be supported in schools & educated to reach their full potential. Sadly this is not a perfect world.
I am also saddened by some of the readers comments who I am sure would not name- call a child in a wheelchair who does not have hidden disabilities or to disrespect the mother of Connor. [bold]Shame on you.[/bold] Now to those people who have made their thoughts on ADHD....Before you comment about a biological medical condition please get informed as it is a recognised disability & if you would like to know more about it I would be happy to tell you.I wish ADHD etc.. was just a name for naughty kids if that was the case I would not have families crying out for help, instead I support them with their children.
Children with ADHD who are diagnosed & treated in early childhood have the best chance of a successul education & will grow into successful adults. Ignorance, bullying & lack of support will make any medical condition worse!
As the founder of Bromley-ADDvice.co.u
k I am very concerned about this incident.
We live in a country that insists we have 'inclusive' education where all abilities are mixed. Teachers are not trained how to cope with special needs children, they do not have the resources as the class sizes are huge for children without special needs!
This is
bullying & is not to be tolerated by anyone let alone a child with multiple problems. Special ed schools are very thin on the ground & places at them are so oversubscribed.In the perfect world all children would be supported in schools & educated to reach their full potential. Sadly this is not a perfect world.
I am also saddened by some of the readers comments who I am sure would not name- call a child in a wheelchair who does not have hidden disabilities or to disrespect the mother of Connor.
Shame on you. Now to those people who have made their thoughts on ADHD....Before you comment about a biological medical condition please get informed as it is a recognised disability & if you would like to know more about it I would be happy to tell you.I wish ADHD etc.. was just a name for naughty kids if that was the case I would not have families crying out for help, instead I support them with their children.
Children with ADHD who are diagnosed & treated in early childhood have the best chance of a successul education & will grow into successful adults. Ignorance, bullying & lack of support will make any medical condition worse!
Posted by: Sunny, London on 3:12pm Tue 20 May 08
Freedom of speech - even
Posted by: Dr Octagon, Island on 3:12pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps Mrs Heron would like to have a chat with the parents of non 'special needs' children whose education is constantly disrupted by those poorly behaved and poorly parented brats with the mythical ADHD.[/quote] Well said sir.Stupid people should not breed.
John wrote:
Perhaps Mrs Heron would like to have a chat with the parents of non 'special needs' children whose education is constantly disrupted by those poorly behaved and poorly parented brats with the mythical ADHD.
Well said sir.Stupid people should not breed.
Posted by: kelly, bromley on 3:12pm Tue 20 May 08
sizopnia is that made up to, there are no tests for that. pluse you can to easily act that out.
also how about depression you really cant be feeling down its in your mind
and ocd is that made up to.
if not imagine that and more at one time.
i would love for you all to meet my son but then again you would just bully him
my son hurt some one once and the taechers were going to let him off.
but i wouldnt let that happern infront of all the parents i made him appologies to the girl and her mum then to the teach and head teacher.
he had not hurt anyone since.
the pain they feel insde is anoth to make a bomb. when you fell hurt to them they feel the most narsty pain you couldnt decribe.
ADHD IS REAL AND IT DOES HURT.
sizopnia is that made up to, there are no tests for that. pluse you can to easily act that out.
also how about depression you really cant be feeling down its in your mind
and ocd is that made up to.
if not imagine that and more at one time.
i would love for you all to meet my son but then again you would just bully him
my son hurt some one once and the taechers were going to let him off.
but i wouldnt let that happern infront of all the parents i made him appologies to the girl and her mum then to the teach and head teacher.
he had not hurt anyone since.
the pain they feel insde is anoth to make a bomb. when you fell hurt to them they feel the most narsty pain you couldnt decribe.
ADHD IS REAL AND IT DOES HURT.
Posted by: Your Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott The All Knowing Guru on 3:44pm Tue 20 May 08
1. Kelly, your child sounds just like any other to me, so why are you trying to stick a label on him?
Judging by your own spelling though, you were probably labelled dyslexic as a child, not thick.
2. ADHD SUPPORT: Obviously, you will support ADHD because it is a nice little earner for you and you are more than happy to stay firmly sitting on the bandwagon.
I bet the kids love you when you defend their every naughty little action. It is a pity that all you are doing is harm because they will think it is the normal way to behave.
Today's HDHD 'sufferers' are tomorrow's criminals.
[bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold]
1. Kelly, your child sounds just like any other to me, so why are you trying to stick a label on him?
Judging by your own spelling though, you were probably labelled dyslexic as a child, not thick.
2. ADHD SUPPORT: Obviously, you will support ADHD because it is a nice little earner for you and you are more than happy to stay firmly sitting on the bandwagon.
I bet the kids love you when you defend their every naughty little action. It is a pity that all you are doing is harm because they will think it is the normal way to behave.
Today's HDHD 'sufferers' are tomorrow's criminals.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott Posted by: Mwah, dartford on 3:47pm Tue 20 May 08
Have to agree with Lordie....
Have to agree with Lordie....
Posted by: Your Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott The Great, The Classroom on 3:50pm Tue 20 May 08
Kelly, I like the way you spell nasty as 'narsty'.
Perhaps you should meet my doghandler [bold]Shagnarsty[/bold].
You can find him in my blogs in the Your Shopper section.
[bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold]
Kelly, I like the way you spell nasty as 'narsty'.
Perhaps you should meet my doghandler
Shagnarsty.
You can find him in my blogs in the Your Shopper section.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott Posted by: John, Greenhithe on 3:52pm Tue 20 May 08
I beg to differ with those who claim that ADHD exists as a medical condition. The symptoms associated with ADHD exist, certainly. That does not validate the existence of the condition. Anyway that's another debate and this isn't the forum. What I would say to parents who might be worried about their children's behaviour is to at least consider the possibility that there might be other causes, such as poor diet and lack of structure in their child's life. To passively accept diagnosis is to expose your child to the possibility of being fed debilitating drugs like ritalin. This is happening all over the country and it is scandalous.
I beg to differ with those who claim that ADHD exists as a medical condition. The symptoms associated with ADHD exist, certainly. That does not validate the existence of the condition. Anyway that's another debate and this isn't the forum. What I would say to parents who might be worried about their children's behaviour is to at least consider the possibility that there might be other causes, such as poor diet and lack of structure in their child's life. To passively accept diagnosis is to expose your child to the possibility of being fed debilitating drugs like ritalin. This is happening all over the country and it is scandalous.
Posted by: Your Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott The All Knowing Guru on 3:56pm Tue 20 May 08
Apologies: ADHD not 'HDHD.
Not that it really matters though, as neither conditions really exist.
[bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold]
Apologies: ADHD not 'HDHD.
Not that it really matters though, as neither conditions really exist.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott Posted by: Your Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott The Legend on 3:59pm Tue 20 May 08
Perhaps it should be renamed DAVD?
DEVIANT AND VERY DISRUPTIVE.
[bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold]
Perhaps it should be renamed DAVD?
DEVIANT AND VERY DISRUPTIVE.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott Posted by: John, Greenhithe on 4:09pm Tue 20 May 08
And how is ADHD diagnosed in this country? On the basis of a 'questionnaire'. Unbelievable. A child completes a questionnaire and then has his/her brain pickled in Ritalin. Yes Ritalin -nothing more than child abuse on prescription.
And how is ADHD diagnosed in this country? On the basis of a 'questionnaire'. Unbelievable. A child completes a questionnaire and then has his/her brain pickled in Ritalin. Yes Ritalin -nothing more than child abuse on prescription.
Posted by: Pappa-Dam, East London on 4:54pm Tue 20 May 08
ADHD has come about because we don't take enough time to smack our kids properly, when was the last time you saw a little brat getting a nice hand across the backside for being annoying ??? ...as we are not allowed to smack our kids...they become more loud..."red lollipop son?? """..."sure dad" .....5 minutes later I have a mini nutter running around the house off his head....Smack !!!! kids sits down and is quiet...if kids loved in fear we'd never have a problem with them..kids get bullied , it is what it is...survival of the fittest and the weak are left behind in special needs class being told they are special...what a load of Lord Erastus .... ADHD does not exist...just ask Tom Cruise doesn't he know everything...??? Smack kids I say..it will make you feel better
ADHD has come about because we don't take enough time to smack our kids properly, when was the last time you saw a little brat getting a nice hand across the backside for being annoying ??? ...as we are not allowed to smack our kids...they become more loud..."red lollipop son?? """..."sure dad" .....5 minutes later I have a mini nutter running around the house off his head....Smack !!!! kids sits down and is quiet...if kids loved in fear we'd never have a problem with them..kids get bullied , it is what it is...survival of the fittest and the weak are left behind in special needs class being told they are special...what a load of Lord Erastus .... ADHD does not exist...just ask Tom Cruise doesn't he know everything...??? Smack kids I say..it will make you feel better
Posted by: Locked and Loaded on 5:00pm Tue 20 May 08
I could not agree more John, and Lord Piggott. Kids jacked up on Ritalin, Prozac, etc, all they need is a firm hand from some old time school marm. Total lack of discipline thats the problem with society in general. A few swift strokes of the cane is whats needed.
I could not agree more John, and Lord Piggott. Kids jacked up on Ritalin, Prozac, etc, all they need is a firm hand from some old time school marm. Total lack of discipline thats the problem with society in general. A few swift strokes of the cane is whats needed.
Posted by: Archibald Smythe on 5:16pm Tue 20 May 08
The kid has ADHD - attention deficiency. Has anyone stopped to consider that maybe he has made this up to get attention?!
Agree with the numerous people on here that ADHD is just another example of the country going mad with political correctness.
Bring back the cane. If the kid really has mental issues, then he/she will think nothing about going to the headmasters daily and getting a sore ar$e.
Anyone who is sane and just plain naughty will soon learn to behave themselves.
The kid has ADHD - attention deficiency. Has anyone stopped to consider that maybe he has made this up to get attention?!
Agree with the numerous people on here that ADHD is just another example of the country going mad with political correctness.
Bring back the cane. If the kid really has mental issues, then he/she will think nothing about going to the headmasters daily and getting a sore ar$e.
Anyone who is sane and just plain naughty will soon learn to behave themselves.
Posted by: Steve O, New York City on 5:36pm Tue 20 May 08
Parents like this should be sterilized, or at the very least means tested before they are given the right to bear fruit. In the mean time the little toerag should be horse whipped.
Parents like this should be sterilized, or at the very least means tested before they are given the right to bear fruit. In the mean time the little toerag should be horse whipped.
Posted by: Candice, south east london on 6:08pm Tue 20 May 08
At the end of the day the poor kid has adhd its not his fault for playing up in class. The childs mum and dad are not to blame for this, a close family friend of mine has adhd and so does my cousin and they have no control over their childs behaviour. I think you should be given a child with adhd and then we will see if the parenting skills makes a difference to their behaviour!
At the end of the day the poor kid has adhd its not his fault for playing up in class. The childs mum and dad are not to blame for this, a close family friend of mine has adhd and so does my cousin and they have no control over their childs behaviour. I think you should be given a child with adhd and then we will see if the parenting skills makes a difference to their behaviour!
Posted by: Fred, Here on 6:28pm Tue 20 May 08
Note that the mum has gone straight to the police taking her childs word for it without even getting the teachers or schools version of events!
Do we really think that the school would not let her enter the building? Why would they do that? Why would they not want to meet her to hear what her complaint is? Does anyone really actually think that a school would operate that way??
I feel Mrs Heron is not giving us the full story! And if she is not giving us the full story, can we believe that if her child? If he has so many disorders, did he actually understand what really happened or has he misread the whole thing?
Note that the mum has gone straight to the police taking her childs word for it without even getting the teachers or schools version of events!
Do we really think that the school would not let her enter the building? Why would they do that? Why would they not want to meet her to hear what her complaint is? Does anyone really actually think that a school would operate that way??
I feel Mrs Heron is not giving us the full story! And if she is not giving us the full story, can we believe that if her child? If he has so many disorders, did he actually understand what really happened or has he misread the whole thing?
Posted by: vern, west wickham on 6:45pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]Fred[/bold] wrote:
Note that the mum has gone straight to the police taking her childs word for it without even getting the teachers or schools version of events!
Do we really think that the school would not let her enter the building? Why would they do that? Why would they not want to meet her to hear what her complaint is? Does anyone really actually think that a school would operate that way??
I feel Mrs Heron is not giving us the full story! And if she is not giving us the full story, can we believe that if her child? If he has so many disorders, did he actually understand what really happened or has he misread the whole thing?[/quote] The mother is probably a thickie - where is the father ?
I bet she is on benefit and smokes cheap fags....prove me wrong and I will appologise.
Fred wrote:
Note that the mum has gone straight to the police taking her childs word for it without even getting the teachers or schools version of events!
Do we really think that the school would not let her enter the building? Why would they do that? Why would they not want to meet her to hear what her complaint is? Does anyone really actually think that a school would operate that way??
I feel Mrs Heron is not giving us the full story! And if she is not giving us the full story, can we believe that if her child? If he has so many disorders, did he actually understand what really happened or has he misread the whole thing?
The mother is probably a thickie - where is the father ?
I bet she is on benefit and smokes cheap fags....prove me wrong and I will appologise.
Posted by: anne on 7:19pm Tue 20 May 08
a d h d means money take a look at all you can get if your child has a.d.h.d, i dont belive there is such a illness, just mums who cant control their children, i know someone who child has a,d,h,d, {lol} and puts the tablets down the loo as long as she gets the money. and before you say it yes i did report it and i was ask could i prove it.
a d h d means money take a look at all you can get if your child has a.d.h.d, i dont belive there is such a illness, just mums who cant control their children, i know someone who child has a,d,h,d, {lol} and puts the tablets down the loo as long as she gets the money. and before you say it yes i did report it and i was ask could i prove it.
Posted by: freddy on 7:22pm Tue 20 May 08
Where the proof is the teacher actually said this. As a teacher I have had colleagues, who have had false allegations made against them, it can ruin their lives. I’m sorry but if this child does have all these conditions how do the other children in the class concentrate and get the support they need in the lesson.
Where the proof is the teacher actually said this. As a teacher I have had colleagues, who have had false allegations made against them, it can ruin their lives. I’m sorry but if this child does have all these conditions how do the other children in the class concentrate and get the support they need in the lesson.
Posted by: ADHD SUPPORT, Bromley on 7:50pm Tue 20 May 08
I would like to make it quite clear that I do not get paid to run a support group- How dare you think that anyone who runs a group such as mine would do such a thing!
I began the support group because there was [bold]NO[/bold] support for families like mine. My 3 kids have ADHD & I was not prepared to sit down & be called a bad parent or other delightful comments that you charming lot label me & mine.
ADHD is genetic in 70% of cases 30% of ADHD is due to brain damage. The same gene defect is also found in schitzophrenia, bipolar disorder, autism, tourettes & several other mental health conditions.
I wish bad parenting was to blame, I wish additives & high sugar was to blame. Believe me if you have a child with ADHD then you have read every parenting book, tried every health suppliment & exclusion diet going.
Now many families are lucky enough to have only one affected child so their 'poor parenting' skills work perfectly for the non affected children - answer me why that is ????
If smacking or 'horse whiping' were affective then don't you think we would have tried it?
In ADHD there is a problem with the dopamine receptors in the brain, some sufferers have lots of dopamine , others are defficient.The ADHD brain is different & this can be seen on brain scans. The problem is that these people cannot utilise the dopamine. This makes them hyperactive or sluggish, impulsive & they have poor concentration or over focus on things that interest them. They find it very hard to filter out information & prioritise information. Patients prescribed ADHD medication who are rescanned after taking the medication show similar brain scans to non affected people.
ADHD is pervasive affecting all aspects of life for the sufferer. It is not an easy label & is only diagnosed by specialist paediatricians or psychiatrists.
Special ed is very difficult to get as the schools have to spend money on children with special needs & these are carefully assessed & reviewed to reduce the cost to the schools as the children improve- if they improve!!!!!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but before you name call please make sure you know what you are talking about.
I would like to make it quite clear that I do not get paid to run a support group- How dare you think that anyone who runs a group such as mine would do such a thing!
I began the support group because there was
NO support for families like mine. My 3 kids have ADHD & I was not prepared to sit down & be called a bad parent or other delightful comments that you charming lot label me & mine.
ADHD is genetic in 70% of cases 30% of ADHD is due to brain damage. The same gene defect is also found in schitzophrenia, bipolar disorder, autism, tourettes & several other mental health conditions.
I wish bad parenting was to blame, I wish additives & high sugar was to blame. Believe me if you have a child with ADHD then you have read every parenting book, tried every health suppliment & exclusion diet going.
Now many families are lucky enough to have only one affected child so their 'poor parenting' skills work perfectly for the non affected children - answer me why that is ????
If smacking or 'horse whiping' were affective then don't you think we would have tried it?
In ADHD there is a problem with the dopamine receptors in the brain, some sufferers have lots of dopamine , others are defficient.The ADHD brain is different & this can be seen on brain scans. The problem is that these people cannot utilise the dopamine. This makes them hyperactive or sluggish, impulsive & they have poor concentration or over focus on things that interest them. They find it very hard to filter out information & prioritise information. Patients prescribed ADHD medication who are rescanned after taking the medication show similar brain scans to non affected people.
ADHD is pervasive affecting all aspects of life for the sufferer. It is not an easy label & is only diagnosed by specialist paediatricians or psychiatrists.
Special ed is very difficult to get as the schools have to spend money on children with special needs & these are carefully assessed & reviewed to reduce the cost to the schools as the children improve- if they improve!!!!!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but before you name call please make sure you know what you are talking about.
Posted by: Brigid, Bromley on 8:05pm Tue 20 May 08
I have been reading the cross exchange of opinions here with great interest and pleasure. It is good to see these issues back in the public forum. The provision of adequate resources for disabled children is a very important issue because every child has the right to recieve an acceptable level of education, reagrdless of thier disability. It is important though that an opinion comes with a degree of knowledge about the issue at hand. My son was dignosed with ADHD at 4 and Autistic Spectrum Disorder at 10. These dianosis' were made after years of intensive assessments by specialist consultants. There was no 'Oh yeah, must be ADHD'. That really doesn't happen. My son is in mainstream eduication but is statemented which means the school gets extra money to reflect his additional educational needs. I tried very hard to get him into a school with a specialised ASD unit without success but, saying that, social integration is as much an educational need as learning how to read or write. I am sure that, if Connors parents were given the opportunity to put him into an educational environment that suited his special needs, they would jump at the chance, as would I or any other parent who has a child with special needs but it just isn't there. I would ask everyone who has posted a negative statemetn to walk a mile in my shoes. Learn about ADHD, not from newspapres but from support groups, research specialists. if you care enough to post your comments, please care enough to keep an open mind and learn about us and our beautiful, wonderful children. Oh, and by the way, I am a single parent. I do not claim benefit, I work full time on a Statutory Flexible Working arrangment which means I can provide out of school care for my wonderful children. Despite paying over £3,000 per year in National Insurance, I paid to have my child assessed on a private basis. There are thousands of people in this country who can't afford to do that. So lets all please agree on one thing, any child, special needs or not, is entitled to have access to an appropriate education. Please don't penalise our children because there is insufficient governmental investment in our educational provisions to meet the needs of disabled children, whatever their disability. I wish Connor's parent all the best in resolving their complaint. Their child has at least three diagnosed disabilities that are classified under the Disability Discrimination Act, meaning they have legal rights which have been determined by our democratically elected politicians. I don't think anyone here is in a position to comment on the specific complaint as none of us were there. It is up to their formal complaints procedure to determine if there is any basis to the complaint but I must add taht, of the hundreds of families I know who live day and and day out fighting for our childrens rights (regardless of their disability)it is a very hard life. We wouldn't do it f we didn't love our children. I just want to give a huge 'thumbs up' to all those parents who take on the battle because it is you who make the world better for all of our children.
I have been reading the cross exchange of opinions here with great interest and pleasure. It is good to see these issues back in the public forum. The provision of adequate resources for disabled children is a very important issue because every child has the right to recieve an acceptable level of education, reagrdless of thier disability. It is important though that an opinion comes with a degree of knowledge about the issue at hand. My son was dignosed with ADHD at 4 and Autistic Spectrum Disorder at 10. These dianosis' were made after years of intensive assessments by specialist consultants. There was no 'Oh yeah, must be ADHD'. That really doesn't happen. My son is in mainstream eduication but is statemented which means the school gets extra money to reflect his additional educational needs. I tried very hard to get him into a school with a specialised ASD unit without success but, saying that, social integration is as much an educational need as learning how to read or write. I am sure that, if Connors parents were given the opportunity to put him into an educational environment that suited his special needs, they would jump at the chance, as would I or any other parent who has a child with special needs but it just isn't there. I would ask everyone who has posted a negative statemetn to walk a mile in my shoes. Learn about ADHD, not from newspapres but from support groups, research specialists. if you care enough to post your comments, please care enough to keep an open mind and learn about us and our beautiful, wonderful children. Oh, and by the way, I am a single parent. I do not claim benefit, I work full time on a Statutory Flexible Working arrangment which means I can provide out of school care for my wonderful children. Despite paying over £3,000 per year in National Insurance, I paid to have my child assessed on a private basis. There are thousands of people in this country who can't afford to do that. So lets all please agree on one thing, any child, special needs or not, is entitled to have access to an appropriate education. Please don't penalise our children because there is insufficient governmental investment in our educational provisions to meet the needs of disabled children, whatever their disability. I wish Connor's parent all the best in resolving their complaint. Their child has at least three diagnosed disabilities that are classified under the Disability Discrimination Act, meaning they have legal rights which have been determined by our democratically elected politicians. I don't think anyone here is in a position to comment on the specific complaint as none of us were there. It is up to their formal complaints procedure to determine if there is any basis to the complaint but I must add taht, of the hundreds of families I know who live day and and day out fighting for our childrens rights (regardless of their disability)it is a very hard life. We wouldn't do it f we didn't love our children. I just want to give a huge 'thumbs up' to all those parents who take on the battle because it is you who make the world better for all of our children.
Posted by: penny on 8:19pm Tue 20 May 08
janine i wish i had your address. you are a very sick person who i would love to slap..........
janine i wish i had your address. you are a very sick person who i would love to slap..........
Posted by: Lynne on 8:21pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold] wrote:
ADHD reminds me of that other old favourite - dyslexia. Children who were once quite rightly considered to be less academic or thicker than the clever ones are now labelled dyslexic. It is utter claptrap and another get-out clause invented by the middle classes to explain why their cherubs still can't read by the time they start secondary school. [bold]Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott[/bold] [/quote] You really do have NO clue and just write whatever rubbish comes into your head.
Dyslexics are not less academic - quite the opposite. My son is dyslexic and with a bit of extra support got excellent GCSEs and now has a very demanding job with LAS. He could read before primary school and now reads avidly. Maybe you should too then you'd learn a few facts.
Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott wrote:
ADHD reminds me of that other old favourite - dyslexia. Children who were once quite rightly considered to be less academic or thicker than the clever ones are now labelled dyslexic. It is utter claptrap and another get-out clause invented by the middle classes to explain why their cherubs still can't read by the time they start secondary school. Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott
You really do have NO clue and just write whatever rubbish comes into your head.
Dyslexics are not less academic - quite the opposite. My son is dyslexic and with a bit of extra support got excellent GCSEs and now has a very demanding job with LAS. He could read before primary school and now reads avidly. Maybe you should too then you'd learn a few facts.
Posted by: Lynne on 8:24pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]Sunny[/bold] wrote:
So why isn't this child in a special needs school? Some schools also cater for special needs children. I used to be a teacher and the tapping noise or any constant interference within a class room is extremely disruptive, not just for the teacher but also for children who [bold]want[/bold] to learn. Tapping away with pens, shoes or otherwise is an extremely irritating sound and looses your trace of thought. I do believe in free of speech, but the mother has to take on board that her child, if he does have the above disabilities should take this into account and [bold]NOT[/bold] suddenly demand the teacher be sacked. Ridiculous![/quote] I expect if there were any he might be. Have you actually looked at special needs provision in SE London? There is hardly any!
Sunny wrote:
So why isn't this child in a special needs school? Some schools also cater for special needs children. I used to be a teacher and the tapping noise or any constant interference within a class room is extremely disruptive, not just for the teacher but also for children who want to learn. Tapping away with pens, shoes or otherwise is an extremely irritating sound and looses your trace of thought. I do believe in free of speech, but the mother has to take on board that her child, if he does have the above disabilities should take this into account and NOT suddenly demand the teacher be sacked. Ridiculous!
I expect if there were any he might be. Have you actually looked at special needs provision in SE London? There is hardly any!
Posted by: kelly, thamesmead on 8:25pm Tue 20 May 08
you know reading whats been wrote on here has angered me so much im now shaking... firstly how DARE anyone call someone retarded wether they have special needs or not... what on earth makes you all so special.... let me tell you all something you are all a waste of space!!!! each and everyone of you!!!! NO i do not believe that special needs children should be in a special school... do you not think they are pushed out enough by small minded wastes of space kinda people like yourself??? at the end of the day everyone is human and we all bleed the same.... for christ sake... poeple have the nerve to complain about ignorence in children.... BUT I BLAME A**HOLE LIKE YOU LOT ON HERE!!!... i have never in my life seen such ignorence in people in all my life.... you should all think yourself lucky that you were all blessed with healthy children and back up those who wasnt as fortunate as yourselfs!!!!
yes there are scroungers out there who label their children just for money but let me tell you something now.... not everyone is the same and just because a child may have adhd that doesnt mean the mother is a good for nothing money grabber!!!
POEPLE LIKE YOU ALL MAKE ME SICK!!! YOU DONT DESERVE THE RIGHT TO WALK THESE STREETS AND IF I WAS YOU ID BOW MY HEAD IN SHAME!!! I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR MOTHERS FOR BRINGINR SUCH LOWLIFES INTO THIS WORLD!!!
you know reading whats been wrote on here has angered me so much im now shaking... firstly how DARE anyone call someone retarded wether they have special needs or not... what on earth makes you all so special.... let me tell you all something you are all a waste of space!!!! each and everyone of you!!!! NO i do not believe that special needs children should be in a special school... do you not think they are pushed out enough by small minded wastes of space kinda people like yourself??? at the end of the day everyone is human and we all bleed the same.... for christ sake... poeple have the nerve to complain about ignorence in children.... BUT I BLAME A**HOLE LIKE YOU LOT ON HERE!!!... i have never in my life seen such ignorence in people in all my life.... you should all think yourself lucky that you were all blessed with healthy children and back up those who wasnt as fortunate as yourselfs!!!!
yes there are scroungers out there who label their children just for money but let me tell you something now.... not everyone is the same and just because a child may have adhd that doesnt mean the mother is a good for nothing money grabber!!!
POEPLE LIKE YOU ALL MAKE ME SICK!!! YOU DONT DESERVE THE RIGHT TO WALK THESE STREETS AND IF I WAS YOU ID BOW MY HEAD IN SHAME!!! I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR MOTHERS FOR BRINGINR SUCH LOWLIFES INTO THIS WORLD!!!
Posted by: Lou on 8:28pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]Archibald Smythe[/bold] wrote:
The kid has ADHD - attention deficiency. Has anyone stopped to consider that maybe he has made this up to get attention?! Agree with the numerous people on here that ADHD is just another example of the country going mad with political correctness. Bring back the cane. If the kid really has mental issues, then he/she will think nothing about going to the headmasters daily and getting a sore ar$e. Anyone who is sane and just plain naughty will soon learn to behave themselves. [/quote] Twit, he has attention DEFICIT that means he can not maintain attention it does NOT mean he tries to GET it!!!
Archibald Smythe wrote:
The kid has ADHD - attention deficiency. Has anyone stopped to consider that maybe he has made this up to get attention?! Agree with the numerous people on here that ADHD is just another example of the country going mad with political correctness. Bring back the cane. If the kid really has mental issues, then he/she will think nothing about going to the headmasters daily and getting a sore ar$e. Anyone who is sane and just plain naughty will soon learn to behave themselves.
Twit, he has attention DEFICIT that means he can not maintain attention it does NOT mean he tries to GET it!!!
Posted by: june, kent on 8:34pm Tue 20 May 08
well said kelly. you tell them im behind you 100%
well said kelly. you tell them im behind you 100%
Posted by: Lynne on 8:35pm Tue 20 May 08
[quote][bold]Brigid[/bold] wrote:
I have been reading the cross exchange of opinions here with great interest and pleasure. It is good to see these issues back in the public forum. The provision of adequate resources for disabled children is a very important issue because every child has the right to recieve an acceptable level of educ
