Review: The Beech Tree, St Mary Cray

5:43pm Thursday 22nd November 2012 in Freetime latest news By PubSpy

The Beech Tree in St Mary Cray. The Beech Tree in St Mary Cray.

OMG, why did I venture into this one?

The Beech Tree is the most uninviting, soulless and sombre pub you are ever likely to find.

In truth, the note taped to the door should have told me all I needed to know and had me turning on my heel as soon as I read: “Regulars only – due to our neighbours complaining”.

However, my curiosity got the better of me; after all, if only regulars are allowed in how does anyone get to become a regular?

But once you’re inside the bigger question is: ‘Why would anyone want to be a regular here?’

Faced by a bland, unwelcoming interior, the pub looks like it was decorated by someone throwing a firework into a tin of black paint.

The walls are then adorned with a mixture of huge expanses of what look like blank notice boards, interspersed occasionally with faded old pictures.

The only existence of colour is a typically horrendous pub carpet of the worst possible design (worst possible that is, until you see the second carpet in the back room).

There were three people in the front room, presumably all regulars, but no-one spoke so I couldn’t be sure.

As well as a pint of Kronenbourg I splashed out 50p on the only food available, a stale cheese roll which had definitely seen a few better days.

Thinking things could only improve I ventured into the back room where the main item was a pool table.

Here, a pair of ‘regulars’ were chucking cash as fast as possible into a fruit machine called ‘Dublin yer money’ – although no matter how much they tried, they didn’t.

This is clearly a sport in St Mary Cray as they’d both dressed especially for the marathon spending session in tracksuits and trainers.

Even the yellow tags on the hoodies added to their ‘sportsman’ look.

As Raghav’s 'Can’t Get Enough' blasted from the jukebox I can only assume it had a random setting as the music certainly fitted into this category.

In the outhouse area at the back, dominated by the pool table and misnamed fruitie, you also find the toilet entrances.

Presumably the regulars know better than to take on the cheese rolls in any quantity as the width of the door on the gents would preclude anyone above average size even entering, though anyone with an average sense of smell will also be well and truly put off.

The toilets keep up the style of decoration, although this time the black is replaced with bright blue paint chucked at the walls – if you do dare venture in.

I’d avoid the cracked urinal on the left.

Escaping back to the front room I dawdled only to wonder why washing was drying on the radiator.

However, as fruit flies then started to mass around my pint I thought my exit was long overdue.

Leaving hurriedly, the second sign I saw in this pub left me, if anything, even more incredulous than the first - ‘Under new management’.

As I escaped back into Wellington Road I was faced by the cold and foreboding Salvation Army building.

For the first time in my life, having visited The Beech Tree, I wondered if the Sally Army’s view of drinking might actually be right after all!

The Beech Tree

Wellington Road, St Mary Cray, Orpington

Decor: * (black paint applied by firework)

Drink: ** (the basics are covered)

Price: ** (£3.50 for a Kronenbourg)

Atmosphere: * (makes the proverbial doornail look lively)

Food: (Don’t even go there)

Staff: ** (Okay when not texting)

Comments(47)

catflap25 says...
6:53pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Sorry but in all fairness I have only just taken over the pub. I had inherited the decor. The cheese rolls were made each day. But give it time and you will see a change. I invite you back in 6 months and see how we go.

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oldman1980 says...
7:41pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Having lived down wellington road myself i can hear your music much worse than i did when the old landlord was there. Like the review says your music was blaring so how will we see a change when you are making the same mistake the last landlord was supposedly making. When you first opened i popped in with my daughter and we could not believe how un welcome we were. The old bag behind the bar just shoved the drink in our faces and said £6.10. Where was the please and thank you. I would of thought you would be on your best behaviour and make every welcome so we would all come back!! Also as for the notice in the door saying having complaints from neighbours i dare say one of them is me lol so you are more of a fail than the other landlord im afraid mate. And regulars only you havnt even got any regulars they were all the old landlords regulars. I dare PUBSPY to take up your offer in being invited back in 6 months time but i would not accept the offer if i was him as you are all just very grumpy and unwelcoming so i will not be entering through those doors again. You will not last the next six months anyway son

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Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott says...
9:20pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Carry on trying to steal my act, PubSpy.

One day you might even succeed.

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oldman1980 says...
10:06pm Thu 22 Nov 12

excuse me?

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Marty1979 says...
10:26pm Thu 22 Nov 12

oldman1980 wrote:
excuse me?
Eh?

And I thought this place had been closed

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catflap25 says...
11:57pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Well all I can do is apologise for your bad expearience but the lady that had served you quit 2 weeks ago. And i have since taken over. If there is any problems from noise or any other issues I beg you to telephone me so I can deal with the problem. I have no intention of upsetting any neighbours I wish to get along with all local residents. So please let's not have the same problems as before. I welcome any advice and comments from my new neighbours. Many thanks Ron hall

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oldman1980 says...
11:18am Fri 23 Nov 12

May i ask why did you employ a snot nose cow anyway? No problem mate if you could kindly give your number i will telephone you tonight with my issues and we can talk because having living only a couple of doors down from you my friend i feel that having another landlord take over is a big issue for many of us on Wellington Road as we all deep down do not want a pub so 9 times out of 10 people down this road are going to try the best in getting you out. Especially directly oppisite you 'Shirley Morris' who is most likely on the phone as we speak!

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oldman1980 says...
11:21am Fri 23 Nov 12

Also you can not say you inherited the decor as you had many a months to turn this place into something new. Having walked into the pub a few days after you opened i walked in and wondered why on earth you didnt make it yours. If this was me i would of spent thousands on making this mine but it looked like not a penny had been spent towards anything you done

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catflap25 says...
12:33pm Fri 23 Nov 12

I am only a manager I am afraid. The lady that served you was the previous manager who left 2 weeks ago. But I would be more than happy to chat to you about your issues as I like you would love an easy life lol. As for the decor I am gradually reprinting we have started with the toilets and as this has to come out of my pocket it's slow. I would really like to make the pub work and co excist with the neighbours. I have spoken to the lady's either side of the pub and they have no issues but sound does travel as I am aware so we need to sort this out. My telephone number is 07508401374. Please feel free to contact me as I am working closely with the licensing officer to try to resolve these issues many thanks Ron

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mrbeachtree says...
7:08pm Fri 23 Nov 12

im a tenant of wellington not even a stone throw from the pub and iv not heard any noise what so ever and to add to other comments left by others on the news shopper comment page I have drunk in there since the new bloke ron took over and I find it to be a very welcoming local pub and I hope to see my local pub and bar staff make it work I believe it will. if people be far and not judge people and give them a chance prove them selfs and to show it can work

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mrbeachtree says...
7:19pm Fri 23 Nov 12

just one other thing this was done on the 22nd of nov 2012 not when the women and her son was there so I believe if you lot write about the beach tree then try it now as it is a run by a bloke not a old bag as you lot say so please try it again then give your review on what you think and please not un till...not every one is the same....

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oldman1980 says...
9:42am Sat 24 Nov 12

Who may you be then mrbeechtree? Having living so close to me and all that! Fair enough we did not know Ron had taken over the pub, I just assumed the old bag was still there. Anyone know what happened to her then? Well good luck to ron then we will give him a try but he needs to be on his best behaviour. We as a street do not want to here the music or other kinds of disturbance. Also as mrbeechtree says yes this was done on the 22nd november what are you trying to prove? it was wrote up on that date doesnt mean pubspy entered the pub on this date. Could of been a week or two before. Anyway Ron what date did you move in as must of missed the going's and coming's sorry

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Loopsie says...
12:30pm Wed 28 Nov 12

This pub should never of been aloud to re-open.It should of been closed and knocked down.It's only been open a few weeks and has changed management already!!!! which clearly goes to show who ever the new owners are it will never loose the stigma of being a dive.The sign on the door"regulars only"was clearly a way to keep certain clientelle out but as the new owners are new and dont know who this means has unfortunatly let all the riff raff back in (all of which were barred for a reason by the old landlord).If pubspy has any sense he would not return ever let alone in 6 months time as should everyone else and avoid it like the plague.This pub has a bad reputation with the locals and the police and i dont think it can be turned around in 6 month
There is nothing welcoming in this pub,there are far more better places to go and have a drink!!!!!

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catflap25 says...
12:48pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Well thank you for your comment and I am sorry you feel like this. There is a lot of new decoration and things planned for the pub in January to make it more homely but all I can say is I will do my best to keep the pub running smoothly. Yes some riffraff may of come back in but as you say I do not know them but if they step out of line they shall be out. This pub deserves a second chance and to correct you on one point this pub does not have a bad reputation with the police I have spoken to them. It had a vendetta against its previous landlord not the pub. The previous lady left for personal reasons nothing to do with the pub. I am very sorry that other publicans in the area feel that this pub is a threat they should learn to embrace the fact we are 3 pubs close to one another and work together to gain custom rather than **** about one an other.

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Loopsie says...
2:24pm Wed 28 Nov 12

The pub has had far too many chances over the years and you may well of spoken to the police but you obviously havn't read the police reports,complaints from residents and many,many more it does have a bad reputation even more so now with the type of people you are letting in but untill you upset them you wont find out,which is why its being avoided and proof from a newspaper reporter says it all.Alot of the issues are already creeping back including blasting the music and parking on a public pathway.I cant see this pub lasting long as the residents just wont put up with it which is why the last landlord had to go!!!!I dont think having a make over will have any effect on this pub to be honest.Im sure it would please many people if it was closed for good as having 3 pubs in the same road which is mainly young families with children and elderly would appreciate something more like a convinience store which im sure would take alot more money!!!

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Loopsie says...
2:34pm Wed 28 Nov 12

oldman1980 wrote:
May i ask why did you employ a snot nose cow anyway? No problem mate if you could kindly give your number i will telephone you tonight with my issues and we can talk because having living only a couple of doors down from you my friend i feel that having another landlord take over is a big issue for many of us on Wellington Road as we all deep down do not want a pub so 9 times out of 10 people down this road are going to try the best in getting you out. Especially directly oppisite you 'Shirley Morris' who is most likely on the phone as we speak!
some people would probably rather remain anonymous but thanks to you that is very unlikely!!!!

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catflap25 says...
3:03pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Well I am doing my best to keep the noise down I make regular checks to make sure it can't be heard across the road at your house. I have introduced myself to my next door neighbours and they have had no complaints about the noise. As for the parking on the pavement there is nothing I can do about that the parking is bad. And I agree it is a pain. If there are any problems that you legitatmly have feel free to pop over and I will be willing to discuss any issues you have. I am a friendly person. And would like to resolve any of these issues

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Donna_T says...
4:43pm Wed 28 Nov 12

catflap25 good luck to you. I wonder how many of these 'neighbours' moved into their homes knowing full well there was in pub in the road.
Get over yourselves moaning minnies.

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Loopsie says...
6:14pm Wed 28 Nov 12

catflap25 wrote:
Well I am doing my best to keep the noise down I make regular checks to make sure it can't be heard across the road at your house. I have introduced myself to my next door neighbours and they have had no complaints about the noise. As for the parking on the pavement there is nothing I can do about that the parking is bad. And I agree it is a pain. If there are any problems that you legitatmly have feel free to pop over and I will be willing to discuss any issues you have. I am a friendly person. And would like to resolve any of these issues
Accoss the road at my house!!!! you have that so wrong im afraid,you dont need to live next door or opposite to know what problems this local pub has caused over the years.As for the parking which was of the very reasons why the complaining started you should do what everyone else down the road has to do and park in a space or walk to your property as im sure everyone would love to park on the path so that they can get closer but they are more considerate to pedestrians!!!
Still,time will tell as its through the summer months where alot of the other issues have caused problems in the past.

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catflap25 says...
6:33pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Well I park opposite the pub I did park out the front until I was advised that it is a foot path and since stopped. Unfortunately the pub has been here many years longer than the houses around it. And I do feel sorry for any residence that moved next to a pub not realising what that would intail. As I have said I will do my best to controll the noise but considering many of my customers are neighbours they know the issues that are ongoing dont be annonomous pop in if you have a real issue I will deal with it best I can

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catflap25 says...
7:09pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Donna_T wrote:
catflap25 good luck to you. I wonder how many of these 'neighbours' moved into their homes knowing full well there was in pub in the road. Get over yourselves moaning minnies.
Thank you I feel some of these people are not going to give the pub a chance x

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ron.1952 says...
7:25pm Wed 28 Nov 12

catflap25 lets turn this pub into Orpingtons very own gay venue. How exciting would that be. Get your rainbow flags ready to hang out, I'll pass the word and get some of the 'girls' to come round and check the place out. Muscle Marys, tranny pole dancers, gentlemen in tight lederhosen.

We'll give the neighbours something to wag their evil tounges about.

Luv Ronny x

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catflap25 says...
7:35pm Wed 28 Nov 12

ron.1952 wrote:
catflap25 lets turn this pub into Orpingtons very own gay venue. How exciting would that be. Get your rainbow flags ready to hang out, I'll pass the word and get some of the 'girls' to come round and check the place out. Muscle Marys, tranny pole dancers, gentlemen in tight lederhosen.

We'll give the neighbours something to wag their evil tounges about.

Luv Ronny x
I really don't think that would go down to well lol x

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ron.1952 says...
7:53pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Picture Ron at 2 am, rotten after a few too many port and lemons, teef in me pocket, singing YMCA in me best falsetto voice.

I do Karaoke, early doors until late late.

Ron x

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grananda says...
8:43pm Wed 28 Nov 12

catflap25 wrote:
Donna_T wrote:
catflap25 good luck to you. I wonder how many of these 'neighbours' moved into their homes knowing full well there was in pub in the road. Get over yourselves moaning minnies.
Thank you I feel some of these people are not going to give the pub a chance x
Its not being a moaning minnie as you call it its called freedom of speech which is what everyone has!!!As for moving in knowing there was a pub,alot of the houses are council tennants that didnt have a choice,there is also an elderly care home where people may have been placed by no choice of their own.
On top of that they may well of known and pobably lived happily untill the place took a nose dive and all the landlords run it into the ground and basically ruined it.

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catflap25 says...
8:49pm Wed 28 Nov 12

grananda wrote:
catflap25 wrote:
Donna_T wrote:
catflap25 good luck to you. I wonder how many of these 'neighbours' moved into their homes knowing full well there was in pub in the road. Get over yourselves moaning minnies.
Thank you I feel some of these people are not going to give the pub a chance x
Its not being a moaning minnie as you call it its called freedom of speech which is what everyone has!!!As for moving in knowing there was a pub,alot of the houses are council tennants that didnt have a choice,there is also an elderly care home where people may have been placed by no choice of their own.
On top of that they may well of known and pobably lived happily untill the place took a nose dive and all the landlords run it into the ground and basically ruined it.
Well all I can say is I have no intention of ruining it. I want this to be a pub where we get along with the community. I have never had complaints in any of the other 9 pubs I have run so all I ask is to be given a chance. And urge you to come chat to me. I will do my very best to stop any noise and nuisance behaviour

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grananda says...
8:58pm Wed 28 Nov 12

catflap25 wrote:
Well I park opposite the pub I did park out the front until I was advised that it is a foot path and since stopped. Unfortunately the pub has been here many years longer than the houses around it. And I do feel sorry for any residence that moved next to a pub not realising what that would intail. As I have said I will do my best to controll the noise but considering many of my customers are neighbours they know the issues that are ongoing dont be annonomous pop in if you have a real issue I will deal with it best I can
I think many residents have given up tyring to sort things out with the landlords,its been an ongoing situation which involved councilors,police,no
ise controll officers,you name it its been tried and took a very long time in the end.People would now rather go straight to the top as its seems to get dealt with quicker.As so many people do the complaining aswell but would rather remain unknown due to the consequences afterwards which happened in the past.Also alot of them a elderly and too worried about complaining to you personally.So going down the other route is so much easier for alot of them.

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Donna_T says...
9:08pm Wed 28 Nov 12

grananda wrote:
catflap25 wrote:
Donna_T wrote:
catflap25 good luck to you. I wonder how many of these 'neighbours' moved into their homes knowing full well there was in pub in the road. Get over yourselves moaning minnies.
Thank you I feel some of these people are not going to give the pub a chance x
Its not being a moaning minnie as you call it its called freedom of speech which is what everyone has!!!As for moving in knowing there was a pub,alot of the houses are council tennants that didnt have a choice,there is also an elderly care home where people may have been placed by no choice of their own.
On top of that they may well of known and pobably lived happily untill the place took a nose dive and all the landlords run it into the ground and basically ruined it.
You are a moaning minnie. Give the new manager a chance. If its shuts and is turned into flats who knows who you will get living in there then. Probably Mr and Mrs Recently Arrived + half a dozen saucepan lids, know what I mean.

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grananda says...
11:02pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Donna_T wrote:
grananda wrote:
catflap25 wrote:
Donna_T wrote:
catflap25 good luck to you. I wonder how many of these 'neighbours' moved into their homes knowing full well there was in pub in the road. Get over yourselves moaning minnies.
Thank you I feel some of these people are not going to give the pub a chance x
Its not being a moaning minnie as you call it its called freedom of speech which is what everyone has!!!As for moving in knowing there was a pub,alot of the houses are council tennants that didnt have a choice,there is also an elderly care home where people may have been placed by no choice of their own.
On top of that they may well of known and pobably lived happily untill the place took a nose dive and all the landlords run it into the ground and basically ruined it.
You are a moaning minnie. Give the new manager a chance. If its shuts and is turned into flats who knows who you will get living in there then. Probably Mr and Mrs Recently Arrived + half a dozen saucepan lids, know what I mean.
obviously a publican!!! Like i told you before,its called freedom of speech,your entitled to your opinion and we are entitled to ours,wether we aggree with one another is regardless but does NOT make us moaning minnies and to be honest if it was me i would prefer to live next door to a family than that place.Anyway with a bit of luck the majority of people will read the pubspys review and comments and and avoid it, then hopefully it will shut down and made into flats.... there will be more happy residenst than the very few publicans!!!!

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Donna_T says...
12:26am Thu 29 Nov 12

grananda wrote:
Donna_T wrote:
grananda wrote:
catflap25 wrote:
Donna_T wrote:
catflap25 good luck to you. I wonder how many of these 'neighbours' moved into their homes knowing full well there was in pub in the road. Get over yourselves moaning minnies.
Thank you I feel some of these people are not going to give the pub a chance x
Its not being a moaning minnie as you call it its called freedom of speech which is what everyone has!!!As for moving in knowing there was a pub,alot of the houses are council tennants that didnt have a choice,there is also an elderly care home where people may have been placed by no choice of their own.
On top of that they may well of known and pobably lived happily untill the place took a nose dive and all the landlords run it into the ground and basically ruined it.
You are a moaning minnie. Give the new manager a chance. If its shuts and is turned into flats who knows who you will get living in there then. Probably Mr and Mrs Recently Arrived + half a dozen saucepan lids, know what I mean.
obviously a publican!!! Like i told you before,its called freedom of speech,your entitled to your opinion and we are entitled to ours,wether we aggree with one another is regardless but does NOT make us moaning minnies and to be honest if it was me i would prefer to live next door to a family than that place.Anyway with a bit of luck the majority of people will read the pubspys review and comments and and avoid it, then hopefully it will shut down and made into flats.... there will be more happy residenst than the very few publicans!!!!
No I'm not a publican, you couldn't pay me enough to do that job. As it happens I'm involved in politics for your information, not that it's any of your business.
This pub was there long before you and all the other old moaners, and long may it stay open.
I hope Ron gets his way and turns it into a gay bar. Then all you curtain twitchers will really have something to chat about over the garden fence. Serves you all right.

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grananda says...
10:11am Thu 29 Nov 12

Donna_T wrote:
grananda wrote:
Donna_T wrote:
grananda wrote:
catflap25 wrote:
Donna_T wrote:
catflap25 good luck to you. I wonder how many of these 'neighbours' moved into their homes knowing full well there was in pub in the road. Get over yourselves moaning minnies.
Thank you I feel some of these people are not going to give the pub a chance x
Its not being a moaning minnie as you call it its called freedom of speech which is what everyone has!!!As for moving in knowing there was a pub,alot of the houses are council tennants that didnt have a choice,there is also an elderly care home where people may have been placed by no choice of their own.
On top of that they may well of known and pobably lived happily untill the place took a nose dive and all the landlords run it into the ground and basically ruined it.
You are a moaning minnie. Give the new manager a chance. If its shuts and is turned into flats who knows who you will get living in there then. Probably Mr and Mrs Recently Arrived + half a dozen saucepan lids, know what I mean.
obviously a publican!!! Like i told you before,its called freedom of speech,your entitled to your opinion and we are entitled to ours,wether we aggree with one another is regardless but does NOT make us moaning minnies and to be honest if it was me i would prefer to live next door to a family than that place.Anyway with a bit of luck the majority of people will read the pubspys review and comments and and avoid it, then hopefully it will shut down and made into flats.... there will be more happy residenst than the very few publicans!!!!
No I'm not a publican, you couldn't pay me enough to do that job. As it happens I'm involved in politics for your information, not that it's any of your business.
This pub was there long before you and all the other old moaners, and long may it stay open.
I hope Ron gets his way and turns it into a gay bar. Then all you curtain twitchers will really have something to chat about over the garden fence. Serves you all right.
Your so shallow,i was not asking what you done for a living as i couldnt give a toot and i never said you was a landlord either for your imformation i said publican meaning someone who drinks in there.And as for curtain twitchers its funny how you can also have time to have your say but noone else can.If your not a resident or someone who has witnessed all the ongoing problems and suffered the consequences than tell what the hell has it got to do with you,your just another busy body poking their mose in and obviously have far too much time on your hands !!!!!! And yes bring on the gay bar as i have no problem with that as that will go down a storm with the drinkers in there and help it close down even quicker.Stick with your politics instead of moaning about the people on here who are geniunely concerned about where they live or visit.

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Donna_T says...
10:28am Thu 29 Nov 12

grananda wrote:
Donna_T wrote:
grananda wrote:
Donna_T wrote:
grananda wrote:
catflap25 wrote:
Donna_T wrote:
catflap25 good luck to you. I wonder how many of these 'neighbours' moved into their homes knowing full well there was in pub in the road. Get over yourselves moaning minnies.
Thank you I feel some of these people are not going to give the pub a chance x
Its not being a moaning minnie as you call it its called freedom of speech which is what everyone has!!!As for moving in knowing there was a pub,alot of the houses are council tennants that didnt have a choice,there is also an elderly care home where people may have been placed by no choice of their own.
On top of that they may well of known and pobably lived happily untill the place took a nose dive and all the landlords run it into the ground and basically ruined it.
You are a moaning minnie. Give the new manager a chance. If its shuts and is turned into flats who knows who you will get living in there then. Probably Mr and Mrs Recently Arrived + half a dozen saucepan lids, know what I mean.
obviously a publican!!! Like i told you before,its called freedom of speech,your entitled to your opinion and we are entitled to ours,wether we aggree with one another is regardless but does NOT make us moaning minnies and to be honest if it was me i would prefer to live next door to a family than that place.Anyway with a bit of luck the majority of people will read the pubspys review and comments and and avoid it, then hopefully it will shut down and made into flats.... there will be more happy residenst than the very few publicans!!!!
No I'm not a publican, you couldn't pay me enough to do that job. As it happens I'm involved in politics for your information, not that it's any of your business.
This pub was there long before you and all the other old moaners, and long may it stay open.
I hope Ron gets his way and turns it into a gay bar. Then all you curtain twitchers will really have something to chat about over the garden fence. Serves you all right.
Your so shallow,i was not asking what you done for a living as i couldnt give a toot and i never said you was a landlord either for your imformation i said publican meaning someone who drinks in there.And as for curtain twitchers its funny how you can also have time to have your say but noone else can.If your not a resident or someone who has witnessed all the ongoing problems and suffered the consequences than tell what the hell has it got to do with you,your just another busy body poking their mose in and obviously have far too much time on your hands !!!!!! And yes bring on the gay bar as i have no problem with that as that will go down a storm with the drinkers in there and help it close down even quicker.Stick with your politics instead of moaning about the people on here who are geniunely concerned about where they live or visit.
How dare you adopt such a rude tone with me grananda. Behave yourself.
For your information I drink in that pub with my boyfriend now and again.
How often do you drink in there, not at all I would wager. You're too busy peeping from behind your curtains you nosey individual.

Also you are showing just how ignorant you are, a publican is the owner or manager of a pub.

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the wall says...
10:34am Thu 29 Nov 12

By the time of the Renaissance, the word "publican" meant a tavern keeper (the licensed landlord of a public house), and by extension a slang term for a pimp.

I can't belive that some people on here would rather see someone out of a home and job. And some of these moaning minnie are council tennants that get given a free house.

Give them a chance!

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Gypo.Joe says...
11:43am Thu 29 Nov 12

Neighbour problems, that's no problem. I'll bring the van full of the chaps.

" who let the dogs out " Ruff ruff.

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grananda says...
11:54am Thu 29 Nov 12

I meant to say pokinig their nose!!!

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Gypo.Joe says...
11:57am Thu 29 Nov 12

grananda and you number is ?

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grananda says...
11:57am Thu 29 Nov 12

grananda wrote:
I meant to say pokinig their nose!!!
I meant to say poking your nose

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grananda says...
12:01pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Donna_T wrote:
grananda wrote:
Donna_T wrote:
grananda wrote:
Donna_T wrote:
grananda wrote:
catflap25 wrote:
Donna_T wrote:
catflap25 good luck to you. I wonder how many of these 'neighbours' moved into their homes knowing full well there was in pub in the road. Get over yourselves moaning minnies.
Thank you I feel some of these people are not going to give the pub a chance x
Its not being a moaning minnie as you call it its called freedom of speech which is what everyone has!!!As for moving in knowing there was a pub,alot of the houses are council tennants that didnt have a choice,there is also an elderly care home where people may have been placed by no choice of their own.
On top of that they may well of known and pobably lived happily untill the place took a nose dive and all the landlords run it into the ground and basically ruined it.
You are a moaning minnie. Give the new manager a chance. If its shuts and is turned into flats who knows who you will get living in there then. Probably Mr and Mrs Recently Arrived + half a dozen saucepan lids, know what I mean.
obviously a publican!!! Like i told you before,its called freedom of speech,your entitled to your opinion and we are entitled to ours,wether we aggree with one another is regardless but does NOT make us moaning minnies and to be honest if it was me i would prefer to live next door to a family than that place.Anyway with a bit of luck the majority of people will read the pubspys review and comments and and avoid it, then hopefully it will shut down and made into flats.... there will be more happy residenst than the very few publicans!!!!
No I'm not a publican, you couldn't pay me enough to do that job. As it happens I'm involved in politics for your information, not that it's any of your business.
This pub was there long before you and all the other old moaners, and long may it stay open.
I hope Ron gets his way and turns it into a gay bar. Then all you curtain twitchers will really have something to chat about over the garden fence. Serves you all right.
Your so shallow,i was not asking what you done for a living as i couldnt give a toot and i never said you was a landlord either for your imformation i said publican meaning someone who drinks in there.And as for curtain twitchers its funny how you can also have time to have your say but noone else can.If your not a resident or someone who has witnessed all the ongoing problems and suffered the consequences than tell what the hell has it got to do with you,your just another busy body poking their mose in and obviously have far too much time on your hands !!!!!! And yes bring on the gay bar as i have no problem with that as that will go down a storm with the drinkers in there and help it close down even quicker.Stick with your politics instead of moaning about the people on here who are geniunely concerned about where they live or visit.
How dare you adopt such a rude tone with me grananda. Behave yourself.
For your information I drink in that pub with my boyfriend now and again.
How often do you drink in there, not at all I would wager. You're too busy peeping from behind your curtains you nosey individual.

Also you are showing just how ignorant you are, a publican is the owner or manager of a pub.
Adopt such a rude tone...from someone who is name calling!!!!

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catflap25 says...
12:05pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Ok as the publican of this pub I see there is obviously quite an issue here. Firstly the pub is doing really well at the moment we have a lot of loyal local customers. But I really think this is getting right out of hand. I just want the pub to get along with the neighbours. But obviously there has been a lot of upset on the past so there are some of you that have had enough and I understand that. But I am keeping the noise to a minimum and we are not open late apart from a Friday night. There really is no excessive noise coming from within the pub I keep the music to a low. Please let's just stop this argument before it gets out of hand. Pubs are a dieing trade and it is such a shame it's the only job I love doing and it's an institution. Please let's just give it a go ....

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grananda says...
12:55pm Thu 29 Nov 12

catflap25 wrote:
Ok as the publican of this pub I see there is obviously quite an issue here. Firstly the pub is doing really well at the moment we have a lot of loyal local customers. But I really think this is getting right out of hand. I just want the pub to get along with the neighbours. But obviously there has been a lot of upset on the past so there are some of you that have had enough and I understand that. But I am keeping the noise to a minimum and we are not open late apart from a Friday night. There really is no excessive noise coming from within the pub I keep the music to a low. Please let's just stop this argument before it gets out of hand. Pubs are a dieing trade and it is such a shame it's the only job I love doing and it's an institution. Please let's just give it a go ....
I aggree its getting out of hand which is why i wont be wasting any more of my time commenting on certain peoples views as its clearly steered away from the main subject,i was just saying everyone is allowed to have their say without being called petty things.

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catflap25 says...
12:58pm Thu 29 Nov 12

grananda wrote:
catflap25 wrote: Ok as the publican of this pub I see there is obviously quite an issue here. Firstly the pub is doing really well at the moment we have a lot of loyal local customers. But I really think this is getting right out of hand. I just want the pub to get along with the neighbours. But obviously there has been a lot of upset on the past so there are some of you that have had enough and I understand that. But I am keeping the noise to a minimum and we are not open late apart from a Friday night. There really is no excessive noise coming from within the pub I keep the music to a low. Please let's just stop this argument before it gets out of hand. Pubs are a dieing trade and it is such a shame it's the only job I love doing and it's an institution. Please let's just give it a go ....
I aggree its getting out of hand which is why i wont be wasting any more of my time commenting on certain peoples views as its clearly steered away from the main subject,i was just saying everyone is allowed to have their say without being called petty things.
I agree. Just a shame that a previous landlord ruined it for everybody.

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goldenbroomboy says...
1:38pm Thu 29 Nov 12

I last visited this pub some years ago, and IMHO it was right down there with that celebrated Welling establishment, the Guy Earl of Warwick.

However, lets give the new lad a chance, if he clears out the crap & tidies the place up, it might be ok in the longer run.

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Marty1979 says...
3:24pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Loopsie wrote:
The pub has had far too many chances over the years and you may well of spoken to the police but you obviously havn't read the police reports,complaints from residents and many,many more it does have a bad reputation even more so now with the type of people you are letting in but untill you upset them you wont find out,which is why its being avoided and proof from a newspaper reporter says it all.Alot of the issues are already creeping back including blasting the music and parking on a public pathway.I cant see this pub lasting long as the residents just wont put up with it which is why the last landlord had to go!!!!I dont think having a make over will have any effect on this pub to be honest.Im sure it would please many people if it was closed for good as having 3 pubs in the same road which is mainly young families with children and elderly would appreciate something more like a convinience store which im sure would take alot more money!!!
three pubs in the same road????

What are they - I only know of the one

Let's give this bloke a chance

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Donna_T says...
3:46pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Well the next time I use this public house I will be watching to see just who's curtains are twitching.

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EverardEdbutt says...
3:59pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Donna_T wrote:
grananda wrote:
Donna_T wrote:
grananda wrote:
catflap25 wrote:
Donna_T wrote:
catflap25 good luck to you. I wonder how many of these 'neighbours' moved into their homes knowing full well there was in pub in the road. Get over yourselves moaning minnies.
Thank you I feel some of these people are not going to give the pub a chance x
Its not being a moaning minnie as you call it its called freedom of speech which is what everyone has!!!As for moving in knowing there was a pub,alot of the houses are council tennants that didnt have a choice,there is also an elderly care home where people may have been placed by no choice of their own.
On top of that they may well of known and pobably lived happily untill the place took a nose dive and all the landlords run it into the ground and basically ruined it.
You are a moaning minnie. Give the new manager a chance. If its shuts and is turned into flats who knows who you will get living in there then. Probably Mr and Mrs Recently Arrived + half a dozen saucepan lids, know what I mean.
obviously a publican!!! Like i told you before,its called freedom of speech,your entitled to your opinion and we are entitled to ours,wether we aggree with one another is regardless but does NOT make us moaning minnies and to be honest if it was me i would prefer to live next door to a family than that place.Anyway with a bit of luck the majority of people will read the pubspys review and comments and and avoid it, then hopefully it will shut down and made into flats.... there will be more happy residenst than the very few publicans!!!!
No I'm not a publican, you couldn't pay me enough to do that job. As it happens I'm involved in politics for your information, not that it's any of your business.
This pub was there long before you and all the other old moaners, and long may it stay open.
I hope Ron gets his way and turns it into a gay bar. Then all you curtain twitchers will really have something to chat about over the garden fence. Serves you all right.
Turn it into an addiction clinic treating alcohol and drug dependence. I'm sure many Cray residents will have a use for that!

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ron.1952 says...
4:15pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Wait until Friday night the Ronster and the girls will be shaking our toosh to "Eartha Kitt Where Is My Man Original 12' "... full blast.

In dah house !

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Slonik says...
10:21am Sun 2 Dec 12

Good luck trying to make the business work Catflap! We need more business in Orpington not less. If the pub is well run it'll be a local asset and I'll have no issue drinking there.

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