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Legal battle looms over school move

5:00pm Monday 17th March 2008

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By Mark Chandler »

PLANS to relocate a secondary school to a site on the Greenwich Peninsula are set to face a legal challenge.

The John Roan Campaign, which has been demonstrating against the relocation of The John Roan School, Blackheath, is mounting a legal case against Greenwich Council.

And the John Roan Foundation, which owns part of the school grounds, is also seeking legal advice after unanimously voting against the current plans at its own meeting.

The proposed relocation is part of the Government's Building Schools for the Future programme, which aims to rebuild or refurbish every secondary school in the country.

It would see the 1,200 pupil school, currently split between two sites in Westcombe Park and Maze Hill, join under one roof.

School governors voted in favour of the relocation on February 27, leading to four of the 20 governors resigning, including two members of the foundation.

Caroline Cooper, who runs the campaign with other parents, said: "At the moment, the campaign is working with a lawyer to bring a case of maladministration against the council."

Ms Cooper said the council had a legal obligation to consult with primary schools about secondary school provision and to take into account parental concerns.

She said: "Looking at the way they've handled the whole issue, we believe we have a case in law."

Ms Cooper, whose 13-year-old daughter goes to the school, says she has a long-term interest in its future because of her three other children, the youngest of whom is five.

The 43-year-old, of Egerton Drive, Greenwich, said: "They're taking away the only local secondary school and they're not taking into account provision for children in this area.

"We're saying by all means build a school but don't make it the John Roan."

The campaign has also raised concerns the 7,000sq m school will be built too close to a gasworks on the peninsula and has a petition against the move with 567 signatures.

Greenwich Council has previously said the decision rests with the school's governing body and the foundation, which owns the Maze Hill part of the site and the school playing fields, is expected to abide by the decision.

Foundation chairman Linda Nelson, one of the governors who resigned at the meeting, said the trustees were undecided on the future of the Maze Hill site.

She said: "The council has taken legal advice and the advice they have is if the governing board voted for the school to move, then the trustees are bound to agree. I don't want that.

"I don't think the site is fit for purpose."

Planning permission was granted on August 30 to build a school on the peninsula.

The £40m building is expected to be completed by 2011.

A council spokesman said: "Greenwich Council remains committed to delivering a first-class school on the peninsula and is pleased the governing body of The John Roan School shares our commitment.

"We will continue negotiations with the foundation and hope to reach an agreement satisfactory to both parties."

She added: "The school will only be moving a distance of just over a mile and will continue to serve the whole of the area from which it currently recruits pupils.

"We are also carrying out consultations on introducing a Priority Recruitment Area so families living within the existing recruitment area, even at an increased distance from the school, will still have a realistic chance of securing places."


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Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Classroom says...
11:51am Mon 17 Mar 08

Let's all look to the future and go ahead with this plan.

Get all the kiddies under one roof and get them learning.

I do not know what the gas works has to do with anything.

Perhaps the thought of travelling to the new school could be the real issue here?

Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott

Dennis, Greenwich says...
12:32pm Mon 17 Mar 08

IMO Surely having the whole school under one roof makes sense. If its the case of relocation, move with the times, a new school, with hopefully better facilities. Children travel free on the buses so whats the problem. ??

anon, \\ says...
12:51pm Mon 17 Mar 08

Perhaps the thought of travelling to the new school could be the real issue here?


I would say so!

If the school is too far away for some pupils to attend, it does not make sense to relocate.

Not all parents would be happy allowing their child to travel further to school, especially if the new journey involves using public transport instead of walking for instance.

There is always a reason people object to proposals, especially when children are involved.

Not everything is black and white.

Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Study says...
12:58pm Mon 17 Mar 08

So, why blame the gasworks?

Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott

Beabarb, Plumstead says...
1:00pm Mon 17 Mar 08

Hmm a school in a leafy part of Greenwich or loads a money from selling the site to developers to buld designer homes & we can shove the kids onto some of the most polluted land in London, next to a Gasometer - decisions decisions - who will make the profit I wonder?

Charlton Average, says...
1:05pm Mon 17 Mar 08

There are a number of issues that people have with the proposed move.

The location of the new school compared to the old one is a concern. Children will have to get across the very busy area around the Blackwall Tunnel approach, which is something that many of them don't have to do now.

The environment of the new site is also an issue. The peninsula is heavily polluted and the school will be right next to the Tunnel approach road. Even the Council admit this is an issue and the school will have to have an air filtration system.

The new site is much smaller than either of the old ones, yet alone when compared to their combined size. Their will be less "play area" than the recommended minimum limit for schools. The Council counter this with the claim that access to offsite recreational grounds will be maintained, so this is not an all in one single site solution.

There have also been questions asked about the Council's role in all of this. A lot of people believe that the Council wants to sell the land of the existing sites to property developers. Not only is the current land more valuable than that on the peninsula but as said above there is a lot more of it.

It's also emerged that there were already plans to build a Secondary school on the Peninsula to cater for the residents there. This is not a purpose designed replacement for the current school, rather it is a school that was being built anyway and that the Council has re-designated as a replacement.

If you want to read more about the concerns about the facilities then have a look here:
http://www.johnroanc
ampaign.com/2.html

If you want to know more about the legal issues have a look here:
http://greenwichwatc
h.blogspot.com/searc
h/label/John%20Roan


Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Armchair says...
1:07pm Mon 17 Mar 08

Where does it say the area is polluted?

What is wrong with the gasworks?

Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott

anon, . says...
1:09pm Mon 17 Mar 08

I certainly would not want to send either of my children to a school too close to a gasworks or similar factory which emits possibly toxic fumes.

Goodness knows what damage they may cause.


I don't think, with children, it's worth taking the risk but that's just my humble opinion.

Add to that the distance issue, and I think the parents/governers have a point.

Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Study says...
1:10pm Mon 17 Mar 08

'possibly', 'may'.

No wonder all the children today are growing up soft and fat.

Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott

CharltonAverage, says...
1:33pm Mon 17 Mar 08

The area is polluted, not only is there still some industry on the peninsula but the traffic queuing for the tunnel generates significant amounts. I'm not sure if the gas works is still active but what it made when it was active is another issue, the land there is contaminated, it's a "brown field" site. There's had to be a 1.5m soil/plastic barrier layer put over it to try and seal in the worst of it. However the real pollution is in the air, which seems to be pretty indisputable, hence the air filters.

As for children growing up fat well what will moving them to a school with even less playing area do for them?

Charlton Average, says...
1:44pm Mon 17 Mar 08

PS: Apparently a problem with the gas holder is that the new site breaks Health & Safety Executive guidelines by being within it's blast zone.

I'm not sure about that but I can say that the new site is less than 200m away and there doesn’t appear to be anything else that close.

Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Armchair says...
9:04pm Mon 17 Mar 08

The views of Charlton Average there folks.

The man who lives up to his surname everytime.

Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott

Charlton Average, says...
9:40pm Mon 17 Mar 08

"It is obvious that some people do not possess a natural flare to engage in debates and seem lost when they are presented with an opinion which disagrees with their own.

Floundering in this intellectual mire, they revert to the playground tactics of their youths and hurl insults in order to make up for their lack of grey matter."

I mean this quite sincerely when I say that those are genuinely wise words that I myself have believed for a very long time.

I've seen and can understand the issues that people have raised with the John Road move.

However my own view on the matter is still undecided. Perhaps the concerns aren't well founded and a move would be for the best.

If you do wish for a genuine debate Erastus and the words quoted from your blog, rather than your last post here, are a true indicator of who you are then I'll be around.

Let's be nice, Blackheath says...
9:52pm Mon 17 Mar 08

I am afraid that discussions with the elderly on complex issues are often beyond them, if the conversation goes much beyond violent punishments and chip pans they are all at sea.

It would probably be a good time to raise the issue of humane euthanasia to put them out of their misery.

Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott, The Ring says...
11:23pm Mon 17 Mar 08

See Your Lord's latest blog in the 'Your Shopper' section:

I’LL GO WHERE THE MUSIC TAKES ME

Posted by Lord Erastus Theobald Piggott at 10:51pm today.

Your Lord, Erastus Theobald Piggott

Mark, Blackheath says...
9:46am Tue 18 Mar 08

The irony of this is that only last week the councils of London said that they would need to take a more holistic approach to congestion by taking it into consideration when planning schools etc. Only a week later, a school is being moved to the other side of one of the most congested spots in the capital. Many parents will end up driving their children to school making the congestion on Trafalgar road, the A102 and the Peninsula even worse. Those in favour of the Greenwich congestion charge will have one more reason to implement it.

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