A GANG of armed youths have been sentenced after a violent confrontation with police.
Woolwich Crown Court heard that around 20 youths carrying a variety of weapons arrived on a bus in Charlton Road, Charlton, on June 27 last year.
They were wearing hoods or baseball caps, and one of them was wearing a stabproof and bulletproof jacket, the court heard.
Police were at the scene following an attack on a man inside the Kams convenience store just minutes earlier.
He was attacked by four other youths in the shop using hammers and knives. The prosecution alleged the two incidents were linked.
Judge Douglas Marks Moore said the group acted as a unit, moving towards police in "an extremely hostile and threatening way" and forcing officers to point CS gas canisters at them.
The group ran away and were chased by police who arrested 21 people.
Officers searched the route they had tried to escape down and found several knives, the end of a snooker cue and a golf club.
Sentencing 12 youths at Woolwich Crown Court yesterday (May 8), the judge said: "One witness said they had never seen such a violent incident in their lives."
He said: "It is quite clear from evidence by witnesses that gang violence has been a major problem in the Woolwich and Charlton area.
Eleven of the group had been found guilty of violent disorder following trials on February 22 and March 13.
Youth worker Muhammed Abdirahman, aged 21, of Nightingale Vale, Woolwich, was sentenced to 15 months in prison.
Mustafa Mohammed, aged 18, of Llanover Road, Woolwich Common, was sentenced to 18 months' detention in a young offenders' institution.
Harun Khaire, aged 18, of Rippon Road, Woolwich, and Saeed Abdi, aged 19, of Ramin Road, Blackheath, were both sentenced to 15 months' in a young offenders' institution.
Seven other boys, aged from 15 to 18, were given detention and training orders totalling 38 months.
Abdi Aziz Mohammed, aged 18, of Kashgar Road, Plumstead, the only boy to plead guilty to violent disorder, was sentenced to nine months in a young offenders' institution.
The boys' barristers had argued no violence had been committed and the stand-off with police lasted for less than a minute.
Chief Superintendent Christopher Jarratt, borough commander for Greenwich police, said afterwards: "There were amongst that group a number of key individuals and there were others who have been caught up in it and can themselves be seen as victims.
"I think it will have a positive effect on those individuals who may be considering enagaging in such violence.
"In addition I think it will reduce crime in those areas but the gang problem is something we can never take our eye off."
Four more people are due to be sentenced on June 13.
Three men pleaded guilty to GBH with intent for the Kams attack last October and were sentenced to a total of 19 years at Woolwich Crown Court.
Police have named one man, Abdi Ghele, aged 20, who is still wanted in connection with the Kams attack.
3:23pm Friday 9th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: No doubt this will disapper on 4:31pm Fri 9 May 08
What a wonderful example Mr Muhammed Abdiraham displayed in his role of a youth worker!
[italic]Youth worker Muhammed Abdirahman, aged 21, of Nightingale Vale, Woolwich, was sentenced to 15 months in prison.
An 18-year-old man was sentenced to 18 months in a young offenders' institution.
Two other youths aged 18 were each sentenced to 15 months in a young offenders' institution.
Seven other boys, aged between 15 and 18, were given detention and training orders totalling 38 months.
Another 18-year-old, the only one to plead guilty to vilent disorder, was given nine months in a young offenders' institution.[/italic]
What a wonderful example Mr Muhammed Abdiraham displayed in his role of a youth worker!
Youth worker Muhammed Abdirahman, aged 21, of Nightingale Vale, Woolwich, was sentenced to 15 months in prison.
An 18-year-old man was sentenced to 18 months in a young offenders' institution.
Two other youths aged 18 were each sentenced to 15 months in a young offenders' institution.
Seven other boys, aged between 15 and 18, were given detention and training orders totalling 38 months.
Another 18-year-old, the only one to plead guilty to vilent disorder, was given nine months in a young offenders' institution.
Posted by: No doubt this will disappear on 6:13pm Fri 9 May 08
Glad you have changed the mispelt word since I copied and pasted the quote!
Not having Erastus pin that one on me.
Glad you have changed the mispelt word since I copied and pasted the quote!
Not having Erastus pin that one on me.
Posted by: jayjay, England on 7:45pm Fri 9 May 08
Youth worker, is he? For that he should be banged-up for double time....[bold]bold[/bold]
Youth worker, is he? For that he should be banged-up for double time....
Posted by: SE London, SE London on 6:33pm Sat 10 May 08
He will not be a youth worker on his release if the Local Authorities do there CRB checks correctly. 15 months is to short. 3 years is more like it to set an example. We must stop this gang crime on our streets.
He will not be a youth worker on his release if the Local Authorities do there CRB checks correctly. 15 months is to short. 3 years is more like it to set an example. We must stop this gang crime on our streets.
Posted by: SE London, SE London on 4:16pm Sun 11 May 08
On they release from Prison they should be deported out of the UK. If they want to fight harm and cause damange they should be forced to join the army and made to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan. See how hard and big they are then.
On they release from Prison they should be deported out of the UK. If they want to fight harm and cause damange they should be forced to join the army and made to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan. See how hard and big they are then.
Posted by: William, London on 9:09am Mon 12 May 08
You forever hear that the parents of children that do this and that should be punished, well maybe we should deport the parents if they cant teach their children that this is the sort of thing that they've run away from and supposed to have left behind to start a new life. If they cant cope with a civilised society then pop them back on a plane, easy.
You forever hear that the parents of children that do this and that should be punished, well maybe we should deport the parents if they cant teach their children that this is the sort of thing that they've run away from and supposed to have left behind to start a new life. If they cant cope with a civilised society then pop them back on a plane, easy.
Posted by: anita, dartford on 9:59am Mon 12 May 08
This just proves that the feral kids of today are not scared or intimated by the Police or have any respect for them.
This just proves that the feral kids of today are not scared or intimated by the Police or have any respect for them.
Posted by: jm, orpington on 10:45am Mon 12 May 08
Anita just a reminder its not all kids, stop believing what the media tell you.
Anita just a reminder its not all kids, stop believing what the media tell you.
Posted by: Phillipo, Oxford on 2:20pm Mon 12 May 08
[quote][bold]SE London[/bold] wrote:
On they release from Prison they should be deported out of the UK. If they want to fight harm and cause damange they should be forced to join the army and made to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan. See how hard and big they are then. [/quote] Deport to where?Another Nazi with a keyboard?How is forcing criminals -who you first wanted to deport-into our armed forces going to work?Think about your ill informed comments before posting,thick nucts like you should be deported.We have enough home made mouth breathers here as it is.
SE London wrote:
On they release from Prison they should be deported out of the UK. If they want to fight harm and cause damange they should be forced to join the army and made to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan. See how hard and big they are then.
Deport to where?Another Nazi with a keyboard?How is forcing criminals -who you first wanted to deport-into our armed forces going to work?Think about your ill informed comments before posting,thick nucts like you should be deported.We have enough home made mouth breathers here as it is.
Posted by: Stephen, England on 10:28am Tue 13 May 08
Regardless of ones political views, people who are welcomed to this country and then go on to commit crime [bold]should[/bold] be deported. Living in this country should be seen as a privilege and not a right.
Regardless of ones political views, people who are welcomed to this country and then go on to commit crime
should be deported. Living in this country should be seen as a privilege and not a right.
Posted by: LisaB, SE London on 8:29pm Tue 13 May 08
As for YOU Phillipo (hehehe; what a name;)Oxford, what do YOU know about the streets of South London ? Jesus; You are laughable; Just like your name; Missed a i and n out have you ? Stay in your middle class idyll; Some of us live HERE where this paper is our LOCAL one;
As for YOU Phillipo (hehehe; what a name;)Oxford, what do YOU know about the streets of South London ? Jesus; You are laughable; Just like your name; Missed a i and n out have you ? Stay in your middle class idyll; Some of us live HERE where this paper is our LOCAL one;
Posted by: smiffy, sidcup on 4:38am Wed 14 May 08
Norris you didnt quite answer the question, seeing as you have all the answers what do you think should be done about the crimes commited by immigrants. Sadly you do not believe in democracy because all you have done is insult people by calling them nazis,bigots,racist,
sub-human and immature ( i bet you felt really proud of yourself when you came up with that ) just because they dont share the same views as you ! I think it is you who needs to grow up, but with a name like Norris your probably near the end of your life anyway. I wonder if you swapped your cosy little life in Bromley for Brixton or Peckham, you would still feel the same way. Come on Norris give us some answers seeing as you know them all.
Norris you didnt quite answer the question, seeing as you have all the answers what do you think should be done about the crimes commited by immigrants. Sadly you do not believe in democracy because all you have done is insult people by calling them nazis,bigots,racist,
sub-human and immature ( i bet you felt really proud of yourself when you came up with that ) just because they dont share the same views as you ! I think it is you who needs to grow up, but with a name like Norris your probably near the end of your life anyway. I wonder if you swapped your cosy little life in Bromley for Brixton or Peckham, you would still feel the same way. Come on Norris give us some answers seeing as you know them all.
Posted by: rob, london on 9:57am Wed 14 May 08
like i said before what chance have we got to take back control of our streets when we are not even allowed to express our views without being called a racist?you go to one of their countrys and commit a crime and see what happens to you/ can you go there and claim benefits? no / have they a national health care ? / no can you go there and preech about religon ? yes if you want to be linched come on and wake up people the only way to stop this is by voting bnp if that makes me a racist then so be it
like i said before what chance have we got to take back control of our streets when we are not even allowed to express our views without being called a racist?you go to one of their countrys and commit a crime and see what happens to you/ can you go there and claim benefits? no / have they a national health care ? / no can you go there and preech about religon ? yes if you want to be linched come on and wake up people the only way to stop this is by voting bnp if that makes me a racist then so be it
Posted by: Norris Hempton, Bromley on 10:36am Wed 14 May 08
Smiffy, first of all let me congratulate you for asking how I would feel if I lived in Brixton or Peckham, this from a man (I assume) in Sidcup. Yes Sidcup, the Bronx of the south east. Wonderful stuff. Anyway, I never said that I had all the answers, my point was that lurching to the far right was not going to help things. Part of my objection to your point of view (and others on here) was that you have seen a black and read "foreign" sounding names and you immediately start on about immigrants etc. How do you know where these people were born? It doesn't say in the report. If you had said that you thought that these criminals should have been deported if they had come from somewhere else I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly. It's the broad assumptions I can't stomach. It upsets me very badly that people can come here, commit crime, go to prison, get released and start all over again. You are not helping the argument by ranting blindly about immigrants and foreigners. Nothing will ever improve until we can show one of the major parties (not the BNP) that we are all fed up and they need to seriously tighten up immigration policy. The BNP is only going to scare people away from complaining for fear of being associated with this gang of thugs.
Smiffy, first of all let me congratulate you for asking how I would feel if I lived in Brixton or Peckham, this from a man (I assume) in Sidcup. Yes Sidcup, the Bronx of the south east. Wonderful stuff. Anyway, I never said that I had all the answers, my point was that lurching to the far right was not going to help things. Part of my objection to your point of view (and others on here) was that you have seen a black and read "foreign" sounding names and you immediately start on about immigrants etc. How do you know where these people were born? It doesn't say in the report. If you had said that you thought that these criminals should have been deported if they had come from somewhere else I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly. It's the broad assumptions I can't stomach. It upsets me very badly that people can come here, commit crime, go to prison, get released and start all over again. You are not helping the argument by ranting blindly about immigrants and foreigners. Nothing will ever improve until we can show one of the major parties (not the BNP) that we are all fed up and they need to seriously tighten up immigration policy. The BNP is only going to scare people away from complaining for fear of being associated with this gang of thugs.
Posted by: Norris Hempton, Bromley on 4:28pm Wed 14 May 08
Smiffy, who are you to demand answers from me? I know Sidcup isn't the Bronx, that was the point I was making. Are you really so dense that you couldn't see that? The point was that you were asking me what I would feel if I lived in Peckham or Brixton whilst sitting in your middle class suburb just a few miles from me. You can't even read very well. The report speaks of a stand-off with police rather the police being attacked. It probably just suits you to add a bit, just to make things a bit worse. I am glad that all BNP are like you. All of you together couldn't run a bath let alone this country. I lived in Bethnal Green up until about six months ago so please don't take the fact that I live in Bromley now as a sign that I haven't been about. The BNP are no good, they're not interested in working people like you and me. They pretend they are by appealing to the thickies and lower classes. The message seems to be that if you vote BNP and they get any form of power they will get rid of all the "immigrants." Then there will be no crime and people like you will be rich and safe living in a white only paradise. Sounds a bit silly when I put it like that doesn't it? The truth is that the economy would collapse almost instantly because there would be no one to do the menial jobs in society and few nations would want to trade with a racially pure nazi state. Your dream is nonsense. Sorry smiffy.
Smiffy, who are you to demand answers from me? I know Sidcup isn't the Bronx, that was the point I was making. Are you really so dense that you couldn't see that? The point was that you were asking me what I would feel if I lived in Peckham or Brixton whilst sitting in your middle class suburb just a few miles from me. You can't even read very well. The report speaks of a stand-off with police rather the police being attacked. It probably just suits you to add a bit, just to make things a bit worse. I am glad that all BNP are like you. All of you together couldn't run a bath let alone this country. I lived in Bethnal Green up until about six months ago so please don't take the fact that I live in Bromley now as a sign that I haven't been about. The BNP are no good, they're not interested in working people like you and me. They pretend they are by appealing to the thickies and lower classes. The message seems to be that if you vote BNP and they get any form of power they will get rid of all the "immigrants." Then there will be no crime and people like you will be rich and safe living in a white only paradise. Sounds a bit silly when I put it like that doesn't it? The truth is that the economy would collapse almost instantly because there would be no one to do the menial jobs in society and few nations would want to trade with a racially pure nazi state. Your dream is nonsense. Sorry smiffy.
Posted by: JB, Penge on 4:40pm Wed 14 May 08
Norriss man, leave smify alone. He is a nice man I know him from the pub in Sidcup. And he is in a wheelchair as well so I hope that make you proud of yourself for attaking him
Norriss man, leave smify alone. He is a nice man I know him from the pub in Sidcup. And he is in a wheelchair as well so I hope that make you proud of yourself for attaking him
Posted by: smiffy, sidcup on 5:03pm Wed 14 May 08
OK norris, i accept what you say. You are right. Perhaps I do need to grow up a bit. Thanks mate.
OK norris, i accept what you say. You are right. Perhaps I do need to grow up a bit. Thanks mate.
Posted by: smiffy, sidcup on 7:03pm Wed 14 May 08
[quote][bold]smiffy[/bold] wrote:
OK norris, i accept what you say. You are right. Perhaps I do need to grow up a bit. Thanks mate.[/quote] I think there are some impostors here ! I will never accept what this idiot has say. Dont try and worm your way out of it by saying you new sidcup wasnt the bronx, you clearly thought that i had no idea about things going on in inferior suburbs and now you are trying to save face by saying you lived in Bethnal Green. Funny That ! I wonder why you moved !! I know Bethnal Green very well and i know that there are more asians and immigrants in that area than your" Middle class paradise a few miles from me "
These youths confronted police with knives, baseball bats and bottles forcing police to get out c.s gas so its a bit more than stand off, but it was nice of you to play it down, you sound like there barrister. Im entitled to my opinion and im just glad that its not the same as yours. This isnt Zimbabwe mate, why dont you go back to Bethnal Green your probably a Red Ken lover any way !!
smiffy wrote:
OK norris, i accept what you say. You are right. Perhaps I do need to grow up a bit. Thanks mate.
I think there are some impostors here ! I will never accept what this idiot has say. Dont try and worm your way out of it by saying you new sidcup wasnt the bronx, you clearly thought that i had no idea about things going on in inferior suburbs and now you are trying to save face by saying you lived in Bethnal Green. Funny That ! I wonder why you moved !! I know Bethnal Green very well and i know that there are more asians and immigrants in that area than your" Middle class paradise a few miles from me "
These youths confronted police with knives, baseball bats and bottles forcing police to get out c.s gas so its a bit more than stand off, but it was nice of you to play it down, you sound like there barrister. Im entitled to my opinion and im just glad that its not the same as yours. This isnt Zimbabwe mate, why dont you go back to Bethnal Green your probably a Red Ken lover any way !!
Posted by: Norris Hempton, Bromley on 10:02pm Wed 14 May 08
Smiffy, my point about middle class suburbs is obviously lost on you. You just don't recognise irony. Hey, maybe if all the immigrants get deported then people like you will get top jobs in industry or finance! Is that what you are hoping? Thanks for your interest as why I left Bethnal Green by the way. I met and married a girl from over here, as simple as that. I wasn't playing down anything either. I just pointed out that there was no attack on the police as you had stated. This statement is factually correct, yours was an exageration. And finall, I actually voted for Mr Johnson in the mayoral elections as I thought Mr Livingstone was a crook, giving our money away to undeserving causes. I don't know what where I live or lived has to do with anything by the way. You initially raised this question so why would telling you where I was born and bred be saving face? You are entitled to your opinion and I do respect your right to present it here. The funny thing is that my opinions on immigration are probably the same as yours in lots of ways. I would like to see immigration severely curtailed and I would like to see a 5 year probationary period for any foreign nationals that do come here, commit a crime and you are out. Where we disagree is that I think the BNP are a waste of everyones time. No sensible person is ever going risk a government based solely on race and ethnicity. And as for deporting everyone who isn't Anglo-Saxon... forget about it.
Smiffy, my point about middle class suburbs is obviously lost on you. You just don't recognise irony. Hey, maybe if all the immigrants get deported then people like you will get top jobs in industry or finance! Is that what you are hoping? Thanks for your interest as why I left Bethnal Green by the way. I met and married a girl from over here, as simple as that. I wasn't playing down anything either. I just pointed out that there was no attack on the police as you had stated. This statement is factually correct, yours was an exageration. And finall, I actually voted for Mr Johnson in the mayoral elections as I thought Mr Livingstone was a crook, giving our money away to undeserving causes. I don't know what where I live or lived has to do with anything by the way. You initially raised this question so why would telling you where I was born and bred be saving face? You are entitled to your opinion and I do respect your right to present it here. The funny thing is that my opinions on immigration are probably the same as yours in lots of ways. I would like to see immigration severely curtailed and I would like to see a 5 year probationary period for any foreign nationals that do come here, commit a crime and you are out. Where we disagree is that I think the BNP are a waste of everyones time. No sensible person is ever going risk a government based solely on race and ethnicity. And as for deporting everyone who isn't Anglo-Saxon... forget about it.
Posted by: smiffy, The Bronx on 10:25pm Wed 14 May 08
If we have the same opinions on immigration, then why am i the Nazi, Bigot and Racist. I thought you said that immigrants only done menial jobs, now they work in industry and finance. Make your mind up ! All the time i can vote then my dream is alive.
If we have the same opinions on immigration, then why am i the Nazi, Bigot and Racist. I thought you said that immigrants only done menial jobs, now they work in industry and finance. Make your mind up ! All the time i can vote then my dream is alive.
Posted by: Sharon, Charlton on 10:29pm Wed 14 May 08
WELL SAID NORRIS HEMPTON!!!
WELL SAID NORRIS HEMPTON!!!
Posted by: Norris Hempton, Bromley on 10:53pm Wed 14 May 08
You are the bigot, racist and Nazi because your whole ideology is based on skin colour. I didn't say immigrants ONLY did menial jobs, I suggested that many menial jobs were done by immigrants (not the same thing at all). I did not say that immigrants worked in industry and finance, I asked if that was what you were hoping for if all the immigrants left. The point being that all BNP supporters seem to think they would be immediately and massively better off if this country was white only. Do I really have to explain every word I write because you seem to be incapable of understanding most of what I say? You only see what you want to see and unless I spell out my thoughts word for word you get the wrong end of the stick. Talking to you is very much like talking to a ten year old, except that most ten year olds are more literate than you are.
You are the bigot, racist and Nazi because your whole ideology is based on skin colour. I didn't say immigrants ONLY did menial jobs, I suggested that many menial jobs were done by immigrants (not the same thing at all). I did not say that immigrants worked in industry and finance, I asked if that was what you were hoping for if all the immigrants left. The point being that all BNP supporters seem to think they would be immediately and massively better off if this country was white only. Do I really have to explain every word I write because you seem to be incapable of understanding most of what I say? You only see what you want to see and unless I spell out my thoughts word for word you get the wrong end of the stick. Talking to you is very much like talking to a ten year old, except that most ten year olds are more literate than you are.
Posted by: smiffy, sidup on 2:34pm Thu 15 May 08
NOT once have you condemned the actions of these young men ! Your an hypocryte and a fool !
NOT once have you condemned the actions of these young men ! Your an hypocryte and a fool !
Posted by: Norris Hempton, Bromley on 3:03pm Thu 15 May 08
Smiffy, I did condemn them in the first post I wrote but it has been removed and after that we kind of got sidetracked into an argument on race & racism . I must apologise if you think I am in any way apologising for the actions of these criminals. Let me be absolutely clear about this now, I think the people involved in this incident are the lowest kind of scum imaginable and I am sorry that the sentences were not much, much harsher. They are common criminals and I absolutely comdemn their cowardly hunting in packs mentality. The fact that they are not white does not make their actions any better or any worse as far as I concerned. Sorry if I was not clear on this subject.
Smiffy, I did condemn them in the first post I wrote but it has been removed and after that we kind of got sidetracked into an argument on race & racism . I must apologise if you think I am in any way apologising for the actions of these criminals. Let me be absolutely clear about this now, I think the people involved in this incident are the lowest kind of scum imaginable and I am sorry that the sentences were not much, much harsher. They are common criminals and I absolutely comdemn their cowardly hunting in packs mentality. The fact that they are not white does not make their actions any better or any worse as far as I concerned. Sorry if I was not clear on this subject.
Posted by: Sisyphus, Bromley on 11:14pm Thu 15 May 08
You know what I'm sick of...the PC brigade who jump down your throat every time a white man is convicted of being a serial killer or a paedophile or a child murderer, and you dare to even question why it is that white men are more likely to become serial killers or paedophiles or child murderers.
I mean the evidence is clear: Dennis Nilsen (white), Peter Sutcliffe (white), Harold Shipman (white), Ian Huntley (white), Michael Stone (white), Colin Ireland (white), Steve Wright (white), Ian Brady (white), Fred West (white)...
I mean, it's ridiculous. What's this country coming to anyway when we can't massively generalise about a whole ethnic group based on the crimes of a minority of them?
You know what I'm sick of...the PC brigade who jump down your throat every time a white man is convicted of being a serial killer or a paedophile or a child murderer, and you dare to even question why it is that white men are more likely to become serial killers or paedophiles or child murderers.
I mean the evidence is clear: Dennis Nilsen (white), Peter Sutcliffe (white), Harold Shipman (white), Ian Huntley (white), Michael Stone (white), Colin Ireland (white), Steve Wright (white), Ian Brady (white), Fred West (white)...
I mean, it's ridiculous. What's this country coming to anyway when we can't massively generalise about a whole ethnic group based on the crimes of a minority of them?
Posted by: smiffy, sidcup on 11:06am Fri 16 May 08
I never said their actions were worse just because of race, not once have i mentioned the colour of anyones skin. I dont agree with all the BNP's policies, just most of them !! Do you agree with every policy that Labour or the Conservatives bring in when they are in power ? Probably not ! You are correct to say that these scumbags should have longer, harsher convictions. You said that you think the BNP are a waste of every bodies time, well thats your opinion and your entitled to it, but i like thousands of others do not think the same as you, so it doesnt make me a nazi or a bigot to want whats best for me, my family and this country. These young men are not a credit or an assett to our country ! Just like the paedos, the paedos do not even have the right to share the same breath of air as us ! They should be put down!!
I never said their actions were worse just because of race, not once have i mentioned the colour of anyones skin. I dont agree with all the BNP's policies, just most of them !! Do you agree with every policy that Labour or the Conservatives bring in when they are in power ? Probably not ! You are correct to say that these scumbags should have longer, harsher convictions. You said that you think the BNP are a waste of every bodies time, well thats your opinion and your entitled to it, but i like thousands of others do not think the same as you, so it doesnt make me a nazi or a bigot to want whats best for me, my family and this country. These young men are not a credit or an assett to our country ! Just like the paedos, the paedos do not even have the right to share the same breath of air as us ! They should be put down!!
Posted by: Sisyphus, Bromley on 12:26pm Fri 16 May 08
...football hooligans. Why are football hooligans always white men?
All those white Rangers fans squaring up the police in Manchester...made me feel sick just watching it. Send em all back (to err...) I say, they're not welcome here.
I suppose the disgustingly liberal News Shopper thought police will delete this comment.
Makes you mad doesn't it, you can't say anything these days. Whatever happened to free speech? This country is going to the dogs/hell in a handcart [delete to taste] etc etc and on and on and on into infinity...
...football hooligans. Why are football hooligans always white men?
All those white Rangers fans squaring up the police in Manchester...made me feel sick just watching it. Send em all back (to err...) I say, they're not welcome here.
I suppose the disgustingly liberal News Shopper thought police will delete this comment.
Makes you mad doesn't it, you can't say anything these days. Whatever happened to free speech? This country is going to the dogs/hell in a handcart etc etc and on and on and on into infinity...
Posted by: Norris Hempton, Bromley on 12:52pm Fri 16 May 08
smiffy, the whole point of the post you wrote at
3:33pm Wed 14 May 08 was that the criminals in the story were immigrants so please don't insult everybody's intelligence by splitting hairs. You may not have explicitly mentioned the colour of their skin but we all know what you were getting at. Now you're on about the "paedos." Do you know how stereotypical & idiotic you sound when you drop the immigrant rant to move on to the nonces? I am proud of this country despite, rather because of, people like you. I can just picture you now, your big fat belly covered in union jack tattoos as you stand around by your gas barbeque holding a Stella and moaning about "darkies" and "kiddie fiddlers" and how you would like to bring back hanging. The truth is that a lot of immigrants are nicer people and better educated than you, perhaps that's why you want rid of them. Do you dream of one day climbing out of the sewer of ignorance?
smiffy, the whole point of the post you wrote at
3:33pm Wed 14 May 08 was that the criminals in the story were immigrants so please don't insult everybody's intelligence by splitting hairs. You may not have explicitly mentioned the colour of their skin but we all know what you were getting at. Now you're on about the "paedos." Do you know how stereotypical & idiotic you sound when you drop the immigrant rant to move on to the nonces? I am proud of this country despite, rather because of, people like you. I can just picture you now, your big fat belly covered in union jack tattoos as you stand around by your gas barbeque holding a Stella and moaning about "darkies" and "kiddie fiddlers" and how you would like to bring back hanging. The truth is that a lot of immigrants are nicer people and better educated than you, perhaps that's why you want rid of them. Do you dream of one day climbing out of the sewer of ignorance?
Posted by: Demi, Eltham on 11:49pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]Phillipo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]SE London[/bold] wrote: On they release from Prison they should be deported out of the UK. If they want to fight harm and cause damange they should be forced to join the army and made to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan. See how hard and big they are then. [/quote] Deport to where?Another Nazi with a keyboard?How is forcing criminals -who you first wanted to deport-into our armed forces going to work?Think about your ill informed comments before posting,thick nucts like you should be deported.We have enough home made mouth breathers here as it is.[/quote] [bold]bold[/bold] I agree with S E London bring back national service. (see em all run back home then).Put em in the army give them discipline, cos thats what they need, it should be for all 18yr olds ,they learn respect.most of the kids today are bored out their heads , cos theres nothing for them to do .so send them to Iraq & Afghanistan let them take their anger out over there ,and in the meantime help our boys out!!!!
Phillipo wrote:
SE London wrote: On they release from Prison they should be deported out of the UK. If they want to fight harm and cause damange they should be forced to join the army and made to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan. See how hard and big they are then.
Deport to where?Another Nazi with a keyboard?How is forcing criminals -who you first wanted to deport-into our armed forces going to work?Think about your ill informed comments before posting,thick nucts like you should be deported.We have enough home made mouth breathers here as it is.
I agree with S E London bring back national service. (see em all run back home then).Put em in the army give them discipline, cos thats what they need, it should be for all 18yr olds ,they learn respect.most of the kids today are bored out their heads , cos theres nothing for them to do .so send them to Iraq & Afghanistan let them take their anger out over there ,and in the meantime help our boys out!!!!
Posted by: smiffy, sidcup on 3:10am Mon 19 May 08
Now i can't even share my disgust of peados ! I suppose your not even going to condemn them, i bet there nice people aswell eh Norris. Your a joke, its people like you that make this country a laughing stock. I do think peados should be hung, dont you ? Nice of you to have a mental picture of me with my fat belly and tattoos, thats not at all steryotypical now is it ? Dont tell me, it was another one of your jokes that i didnt get ! You would love to think of me as uneducated wouldn't you, well nothing could be further from the truth. When Enoch Powell gave his rivers of blood speech you and the rest of the p.c brigade said he was racist, well he wasn't wrong was he ! Did you vote Tory then ?
Now i can't even share my disgust of peados ! I suppose your not even going to condemn them, i bet there nice people aswell eh Norris. Your a joke, its people like you that make this country a laughing stock. I do think peados should be hung, dont you ? Nice of you to have a mental picture of me with my fat belly and tattoos, thats not at all steryotypical now is it ? Dont tell me, it was another one of your jokes that i didnt get ! You would love to think of me as uneducated wouldn't you, well nothing could be further from the truth. When Enoch Powell gave his rivers of blood speech you and the rest of the p.c brigade said he was racist, well he wasn't wrong was he ! Did you vote Tory then ?
Posted by: Norris Hempton, Bromley on 2:12pm Mon 19 May 08
smiffy, yes I think paedophiles are disgusting but I just can't see how that has anything to do with the discussion here. You are uneducated I'm afraid. I only have to look at the spelling in your posts to see that. The use of "your" (as short for "you are") instead of "you're" is one dead giveaway. Your liberal views on punctuation is another. Referring to Enoch Powell's "rivers of blood speech" is yet another. Mr Powell never used that phrase in his famous speech but you wouldn't know that because you only know what the papers have told you. You really don't have a clue what he actually said do you? You just know that he was condemned as racist so you think you must agree with him. Also, people cannot be hung, the proper term is hanged. You have lost this argument really badly smiffy, why don't you just give up? Every post makes you look a little bit sillier. You are up against a far, far superior intellect.
smiffy, yes I think paedophiles are disgusting but I just can't see how that has anything to do with the discussion here. You are uneducated I'm afraid. I only have to look at the spelling in your posts to see that. The use of "your" (as short for "you are") instead of "you're" is one dead giveaway. Your liberal views on punctuation is another. Referring to Enoch Powell's "rivers of blood speech" is yet another. Mr Powell never used that phrase in his famous speech but you wouldn't know that because you only know what the papers have told you. You really don't have a clue what he actually said do you? You just know that he was condemned as racist so you think you must agree with him. Also, people cannot be hung, the proper term is hanged. You have lost this argument really badly smiffy, why don't you just give up? Every post makes you look a little bit sillier. You are up against a far, far superior intellect.
Posted by: who do u think u r on 6:54am Wed 21 May 08
yobs attack police eh........when will they lock that low life erastus and his asbo family up eh ????
then maybe when he is behind bars with the rest of his filthy tribe, our streets will be safer places !
yobs attack police eh........when will they lock that low life erastus and his asbo family up eh ????
then maybe when he is behind bars with the rest of his filthy tribe, our streets will be safer places !
Posted by: smiffy, sidcup on 7:25pm Wed 21 May 08
So now you are down to personal insults. You really are a sad individual. This has only ever been about you wanting to win this argument and shut me up, and now you have just proved it, well thats never going to happen. Just because you can spell properly does not make you more intelligent than the next man, and you claim to be a superior intellect ! Put down the dictionary mate. I was just agreeing with somebody elses post above when i condemned the peados, or was you to stupid to see that. My whole argument has been that these youths that ARE immigrants, should not be in this country, they are not a credit to our country but they are defended by P.C people like you who jump on the race bandwagon, whenever people share their views about immigration. There ARE white immigrants aswell !! Or are you to stupid to realise that !! If you do not agree with what i say well thats just tough, you cannot dictate to me what i can and what i cannot say, as i said before this is NOT Zimbabwe ! So no i haven't lost any argument because you view on life is totally different to mine. Indeed it is you that looks sillier just for the way you check peoples posts for mistakes. Superior intellect, haha! Superior sad-case more like.
So now you are down to personal insults. You really are a sad individual. This has only ever been about you wanting to win this argument and shut me up, and now you have just proved it, well thats never going to happen. Just because you can spell properly does not make you more intelligent than the next man, and you claim to be a superior intellect ! Put down the dictionary mate. I was just agreeing with somebody elses post above when i condemned the peados, or was you to stupid to see that. My whole argument has been that these youths that ARE immigrants, should not be in this country, they are not a credit to our country but they are defended by P.C people like you who jump on the race bandwagon, whenever people share their views about immigration. There ARE white immigrants aswell !! Or are you to stupid to realise that !! If you do not agree with what i say well thats just tough, you cannot dictate to me what i can and what i cannot say, as i said before this is NOT Zimbabwe ! So no i haven't lost any argument because you view on life is totally different to mine. Indeed it is you that looks sillier just for the way you check peoples posts for mistakes. Superior intellect, haha! Superior sad-case more like.
Posted by: Norris Hempton, Bromley on 1:54pm Thu 22 May 08
Great post smiffy. Love the use of double exclamation marks. It's not as if I had to look very hard for mistakes in your posts is it? Where did you find out that the thugs in the story were immigrants by the way? How do you know they were not born here? Or does that not make a difference if they are black (which you have previously denied)? It is not just my spelling that makes me more intelligent than you, everything you write gives a little bit more about the state of your mind and it's not a very pretty picture. I have won this argument because what you want (repatriation) will never happen. But don't let that stop you in your ignorant, childish, and supremely ill-informed rant if it makes you feel better. I took the other path, I worked hard and I have got everything I could possibly want in life. It's funny how I don't feel threatened or held back by "immigrants" isn't it smiffy?
Great post smiffy. Love the use of double exclamation marks. It's not as if I had to look very hard for mistakes in your posts is it? Where did you find out that the thugs in the story were immigrants by the way? How do you know they were not born here? Or does that not make a difference if they are black (which you have previously denied)? It is not just my spelling that makes me more intelligent than you, everything you write gives a little bit more about the state of your mind and it's not a very pretty picture. I have won this argument because what you want (repatriation) will never happen. But don't let that stop you in your ignorant, childish, and supremely ill-informed rant if it makes you feel better. I took the other path, I worked hard and I have got everything I could possibly want in life. It's funny how I don't feel threatened or held back by "immigrants" isn't it smiffy?
Posted by: smiffy, the bronx on 2:59pm Thu 22 May 08
I wonder how i have been held back by immigrants when i live in my middle class suburb, driving my new car and 3 holidays a year !!!!!!
Your an hypocryte, you moved from Bethnal Green because it's a crap area but you wont admit it, you agree with my views on immigration, but i'm the racist, you criticise peoples opinions but rarely give your own and to top it off, your checking peoples grammar !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Check your own before you pick holes in peoples posts. FINALL ! WHAT'S FINALL? Did you mean final or finally ? Superior intellect ? Superior IDIOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder how i have been held back by immigrants when i live in my middle class suburb, driving my new car and 3 holidays a year !!!!!!
Your an hypocryte, you moved from Bethnal Green because it's a crap area but you wont admit it, you agree with my views on immigration, but i'm the racist, you criticise peoples opinions but rarely give your own and to top it off, your checking peoples grammar !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Check your own before you pick holes in peoples posts. FINALL ! WHAT'S FINALL? Did you mean final or finally ? Superior intellect ? Superior IDIOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Norris Hempton, Bromley on 8:29am Fri 23 May 08
smiffy Quote 1 - Check your own before you pick holes in peoples posts. FINALL ! WHAT'S FINALL? Did you mean final or finally ? Superior intellect ? Superior IDIOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
smiffy Quote 2 - Indeed it is you that looks sillier just for the way you check peoples posts for mistakes. Superior intellect, haha! Superior sad-case more like.
Nearly as sad as hunting back to 6 posts back(and 9 days ago) to find an instance where I missed a letter. I obviously meant finally, as anyone with an I.Q. above 25 can see, the sentence wouldn't make sense otherwise. Enough said on that I think.
I would love to know how you claim you are doing so well when you are basically illiterate. "Finall" is a typo, sentences like "your an hypocryte" is just good old-fashioned ignorance. I don't hate immigrants, I hate this country's disgusting ignorant underclass. People like you smiffy.
smiffy Quote 1 - Check your own before you pick holes in peoples posts. FINALL ! WHAT'S FINALL? Did you mean final or finally ? Superior intellect ? Superior IDIOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
smiffy Quote 2 - Indeed it is you that looks sillier just for the way you check peoples posts for mistakes. Superior intellect, haha! Superior sad-case more like.
Nearly as sad as hunting back to 6 posts back(and 9 days ago) to find an instance where I missed a letter. I obviously meant finally, as anyone with an I.Q. above 25 can see, the sentence wouldn't make sense otherwise. Enough said on that I think.
I would love to know how you claim you are doing so well when you are basically illiterate. "Finall" is a typo, sentences like "your an hypocryte" is just good old-fashioned ignorance. I don't hate immigrants, I hate this country's disgusting ignorant underclass. People like you smiffy.
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