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Football mob jailed for train violence
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| John de Bono was jailed and given a football banning order |
EIGHT people have been given football banning orders after violence on a train.
Seven of them were also given custodial sentences totalling more than 18 years.
The men were involved in a series of attacks after boarding two carriages of a train at Sydenham station at around 2.20pm on September 1 last year.
The train contained women, children and elderly people.
They attacked several Charlton Athletic supporters travelling to a game at Crystal Palace.
One Charlton fan suffered a broken nose.
Included in the gang was 21-year-old John de Bono, who lives in St Mary Cray High Street.
He was jailed for 30 months and banned from football matches for 10 years.
De Bono, along with six other men and a 16-year-old youth who cannot be named for legal reasons, all pleaded guilty to violent disorder.
During sentencing at Southwark Crown Court yesterday (Mar13), the incident was described as "mob behaviour at its worst".
Those involved have been banned from attending football matches in England and Wales and travelling on trains on a day when Crystal Palace or England are playing.
They are also banned from entering within 2,000m of a stadium where Crystal Palace or England are playing a match, and from entering pubs in Croydon when the Eagles are at home.
British Transport Police arrested them in a series of dawn raids at addresses across south London, Kent and Sussex.
Superintendent Martin Fry said: "Members of the travelling public, including law-abiding football fans, have the right to travel in safety on match days without fear of being abused or assaulted by a few rogue elements.
"The violence ordinary members of the public were subjected to on the day in question was completely and utterly appalling.
"The courts have sent a clear message this sort of behaviour is out of order and have rightfully supported our request for banning orders against these individuals.
"They have shown they can't behave when it comes to football-related activity and as a result they will now suffer the consequences of their actions."
4:15pm Friday 14th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: T, Valley Floyd Road SE7 on 4:33pm Fri 14 Mar 08
Sha la la la la la la la,
Sha la la la la la la la,
Sha la la la la la la la,
We sent the Palace down!
Sha la la la la la la la,
Sha la la la la la la la,
Sha la la la la la la la,
We sent the Palace down!
Posted by: Steve, Kent on 5:09pm Fri 14 Mar 08
Banned from watching Palace - we should be punishing these people, not rewarding them!
Banned from watching Palace - we should be punishing these people, not rewarding them!
Posted by: Dave, Dartford on 9:37pm Fri 14 Mar 08
Scum - fight one on one, always big men in gangs on trains.
Scum - fight one on one, always big men in gangs on trains.
Posted by: kadie, se25 on 12:04am Sat 15 Mar 08
i know one of dem so dnt run of ur mouth yh u dnt know him u fink bcoz his behind bars its good wel lets c all u mugs go behind bars u wont lyk it one bit will yh [bold]bold[/bold]
i know one of dem so dnt run of ur mouth yh u dnt know him u fink bcoz his behind bars its good wel lets c all u mugs go behind bars u wont lyk it one bit will yh
Posted by: local, local on 12:48am Sat 15 Mar 08
Get a life KADIE they have got what they deserve going round thinking they are big men they are just a bunch of mindless yobs. IM a 22year old male and i dont go round beating people up and scaring the elderley and children to look hard. GET A LIFE!!!
Get a life KADIE they have got what they deserve going round thinking they are big men they are just a bunch of mindless yobs. IM a 22year old male and i dont go round beating people up and scaring the elderley and children to look hard. GET A LIFE!!!
Posted by: Jack, Charlton on 10:00am Sat 15 Mar 08
[quote][bold]kadie[/bold] wrote:
i know one of dem so dnt run of ur mouth yh u dnt know him u fink bcoz his behind bars its good wel lets c all u mugs go behind bars u wont lyk it one bit will yh [bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] we wont be going behind bars because we havent done anything wrong! Stupid,Stupid person.
kadie wrote:
i know one of dem so dnt run of ur mouth yh u dnt know him u fink bcoz his behind bars its good wel lets c all u mugs go behind bars u wont lyk it one bit will yh
we wont be going behind bars because we havent done anything wrong! Stupid,Stupid person.
Posted by: doc, gravesend on 10:50am Sat 15 Mar 08
Why do they not just take up boxing if they like a fight.
Why do they not just take up boxing if they like a fight.
Posted by: Xavier, Clapham on 11:02am Sat 15 Mar 08
What about the old boy (palace) who got ruffed up in Greenwich, pushed through a window or something.
Did the ob do anything about that, no.
What about the old boy (palace) who got ruffed up in Greenwich, pushed through a window or something.
Did the ob do anything about that, no.
Posted by: Locked and Loaded on 11:09am Sat 15 Mar 08
Doc they haven't got the gonads to go one on one with anyone.Plastic gangsters are OK when they are mob handed,and armed with knives etc.
Doc they haven't got the gonads to go one on one with anyone.Plastic gangsters are OK when they are mob handed,and armed with knives etc.
Posted by: PAUL, SELHURST PARK on 11:43am Sat 15 Mar 08
BOW DOWN TO THE MIGHTY EAGLES!
BOW DOWN TO THE MIGHTY EAGLES!
Posted by: Frank, Lee on 12:50pm Sat 15 Mar 08
[quote][bold]kadie[/bold] wrote:
i know one of dem so dnt run of ur mouth yh u dnt know him u fink bcoz his behind bars its good wel lets c all u mugs go behind bars u wont lyk it one bit will yh [bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] You numpty learn to spell and we might take your comment seriously,then again You are a Numpty!
kadie wrote:
i know one of dem so dnt run of ur mouth yh u dnt know him u fink bcoz his behind bars its good wel lets c all u mugs go behind bars u wont lyk it one bit will yh
You numpty learn to spell and we might take your comment seriously,then again You are a Numpty!
Posted by: CAFC, not behind bars on 1:09pm Sat 15 Mar 08
Wouldn't it be great it that soppy looking idiot was sharing a cell with a Big Charlton fan lol. Wonder how brave he'd be then?
Wouldn't it be great it that soppy looking idiot was sharing a cell with a Big Charlton fan lol. Wonder how brave he'd be then?
Posted by: Dave RIGHTTY, kent on 8:10pm Sat 15 Mar 08
[quote][bold]kadie[/bold] wrote:
i know one of dem so dnt run of ur mouth yh u dnt know him u fink bcoz his behind bars its good wel lets c all u mugs go behind bars u wont lyk it one bit will yh [bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] God I hope you are not an English teacher.
kadie wrote:
i know one of dem so dnt run of ur mouth yh u dnt know him u fink bcoz his behind bars its good wel lets c all u mugs go behind bars u wont lyk it one bit will yh
God I hope you are not an English teacher.
Posted by: paul, roaming free on 10:18pm Sat 15 Mar 08
kadie if he didnt want to end up in prison then maybe he should have kept to the straight and narrow
hes a thug and a coward and got what he deserved
with a bit of luck there will be an even nastier piece of work inside who will give him the good news
it may teach him a lesson
kadie if he didnt want to end up in prison then maybe he should have kept to the straight and narrow
hes a thug and a coward and got what he deserved
with a bit of luck there will be an even nastier piece of work inside who will give him the good news
it may teach him a lesson
Posted by: Hannah & Tim South East, South East on 1:52pm Sun 16 Mar 08
They done a crime and have to pay the price. Simple as that. They are no better or different than anyone else. They can only fight in large gangs and not one to one and have to use weapons!! Kadie my 2 year old can speak and write clearer than you so please do not talk down to others.
They done a crime and have to pay the price. Simple as that. They are no better or different than anyone else. They can only fight in large gangs and not one to one and have to use weapons!! Kadie my 2 year old can speak and write clearer than you so please do not talk down to others.
Posted by: Anna, Belvedere on 6:30pm Sun 16 Mar 08
[quote][bold]kadie[/bold] wrote:
i know one of dem so dnt run of ur mouth yh u dnt know him u fink bcoz his behind bars its good wel lets c all u mugs go behind bars u wont lyk it one bit will yh [bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] sorry Kadie, but until your friend has done his time and payed for the fear he bought to others, he is a mindless thug, and guess what, I bought up 3 like him and am not proud. Good folks dont have to go behind bars to find out how ur friend is feeling, babe they dont have too, its people like ur mate and my sons have to pay the price, old saying, if you cant do the time , dont do the crime. trouble is it dont stop us caring about and loving them, and maybe thats were we are wrong. You can't abuse others that put their opinion. When infact they are right it's our loved ones that are acting like mugs and losing their liberty because f it. Best wishes
kadie wrote:
i know one of dem so dnt run of ur mouth yh u dnt know him u fink bcoz his behind bars its good wel lets c all u mugs go behind bars u wont lyk it one bit will yh
sorry Kadie, but until your friend has done his time and payed for the fear he bought to others, he is a mindless thug, and guess what, I bought up 3 like him and am not proud. Good folks dont have to go behind bars to find out how ur friend is feeling, babe they dont have too, its people like ur mate and my sons have to pay the price, old saying, if you cant do the time , dont do the crime. trouble is it dont stop us caring about and loving them, and maybe thats were we are wrong. You can't abuse others that put their opinion. When infact they are right it's our loved ones that are acting like mugs and losing their liberty because f it. Best wishes
Posted by: Miss Millar on 8:35pm Sun 16 Mar 08
Please dont believe all you read or hear. One of these young men is my brother in law and was in the wrong place/wrong time and stood his own ground when faced with trouble from what happened to be the opposition as they call it in football. I can assure you that he is not a HOOLIGAN or CRIMINAL! He's a very respectable guy, and i cannot believe this case of injustice! All that's happened here is they are being made an example of, while real criminals get away with alot worse..........
Please dont believe all you read or hear. One of these young men is my brother in law and was in the wrong place/wrong time and stood his own ground when faced with trouble from what happened to be the opposition as they call it in football. I can assure you that he is not a HOOLIGAN or CRIMINAL! He's a very respectable guy, and i cannot believe this case of injustice! All that's happened here is they are being made an example of, while real criminals get away with alot worse..........
Posted by: Harvey on 8:54pm Sun 16 Mar 08
[quote]He's a very respectable guy, and i cannot believe this case of injustice![/quote]
Ha ha ha - that's so funny! It's so strange how the prisons are always so full of innocent people. People who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, people who have been stitched up, people who acted completely 'out of character'. Hmmm. If only the authorities would release all the 'wronged' people from jail then there wouldn't be those pesky overcrowding problems!
I assume the numerous witnesses and CCTV evidence in this case had nothing to do with your brother in law's conviction?
He's a very respectable guy, and i cannot believe this case of injustice!
Ha ha ha - that's so funny! It's so strange how the prisons are always so full of innocent people. People who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, people who have been stitched up, people who acted completely 'out of character'. Hmmm. If only the authorities would release all the 'wronged' people from jail then there wouldn't be those pesky overcrowding problems!
I assume the numerous witnesses and CCTV evidence in this case had nothing to do with your brother in law's conviction?
Posted by: Anna, Belvedere on 12:16am Mon 17 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Miss Millar[/bold] wrote:
Please dont believe all you read or hear. One of these young men is my brother in law and was in the wrong place/wrong time and stood his own ground when faced with trouble from what happened to be the opposition as they call it in football. I can assure you that he is not a HOOLIGAN or CRIMINAL! He's a very respectable guy, and i cannot believe this case of injustice! All that's happened here is they are being made an example of, while real criminals get away with alot worse..........[/quote] Actually they did that to my boys time after time made an example of them (NOT) While I understand that they may be the epitome of decorum at home obiviously like my sons they are animals a way from their. Cmon love lets not have my little darlings would'ent, because like mine your little darlings would. inlaws-or other, they will wear you out and use u up.
Miss Millar wrote:
Please dont believe all you read or hear. One of these young men is my brother in law and was in the wrong place/wrong time and stood his own ground when faced with trouble from what happened to be the opposition as they call it in football. I can assure you that he is not a HOOLIGAN or CRIMINAL! He's a very respectable guy, and i cannot believe this case of injustice! All that's happened here is they are being made an example of, while real criminals get away with alot worse..........
Actually they did that to my boys time after time made an example of them (NOT) While I understand that they may be the epitome of decorum at home obiviously like my sons they are animals a way from their. Cmon love lets not have my little darlings would'ent, because like mine your little darlings would. inlaws-or other, they will wear you out and use u up.
Posted by: Anna, Belvedere on 1:07am Mon 17 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Miss Millar[/bold] wrote:
Please dont believe all you read or hear. One of these young men is my brother in law and was in the wrong place/wrong time and stood his own ground when faced with trouble from what happened to be the opposition as they call it in football. I can assure you that he is not a HOOLIGAN or CRIMINAL! He's a very respectable guy, and i cannot believe this case of injustice! All that's happened here is they are being made an example of, while real criminals get away with alot worse..........[/quote] Peopl here tend to belive the written word. If I was you and I was 2 wks ago, put up and shut up.
Miss Millar wrote:
Please dont believe all you read or hear. One of these young men is my brother in law and was in the wrong place/wrong time and stood his own ground when faced with trouble from what happened to be the opposition as they call it in football. I can assure you that he is not a HOOLIGAN or CRIMINAL! He's a very respectable guy, and i cannot believe this case of injustice! All that's happened here is they are being made an example of, while real criminals get away with alot worse..........
Peopl here tend to belive the written word. If I was you and I was 2 wks ago, put up and shut up.
Posted by: cazza, london on 9:41am Mon 17 Mar 08
[bold]bold[/bold] u r all as bad as one another. your wishing violence on these people without knowing the facts or knowing anything about them. For people who are supposedly against crime and violence you have a very warped way of showing it. has noone ever told you 2 wrongs don't make a right. These people are paying for what they did albeit unjust. Mindless verbal attacks from pathetic back seat people like you just goes to show the world is full of idiots! You people should take a look at ur own lives and worry about whats going on in them rather than pick on people who are behind bars and can't defend their honour. talk about cowardness!!
u r all as bad as one another. your wishing violence on these people without knowing the facts or knowing anything about them. For people who are supposedly against crime and violence you have a very warped way of showing it. has noone ever told you 2 wrongs don't make a right. These people are paying for what they did albeit unjust. Mindless verbal attacks from pathetic back seat people like you just goes to show the world is full of idiots! You people should take a look at ur own lives and worry about whats going on in them rather than pick on people who are behind bars and can't defend their honour. talk about cowardness!!
Posted by: Joey, London on 10:05am Mon 17 Mar 08
The paper should get its facts right first. John willingly handed himself and not arrested in a dawn raid. He was man enough to face the music!
The paper should get its facts right first. John willingly handed himself and not arrested in a dawn raid. He was man enough to face the music!
Posted by: Heidi, Bexley on 12:20pm Mon 17 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Anna[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]kadie[/bold] wrote: i know one of dem so dnt run of ur mouth yh u dnt know him u fink bcoz his behind bars its good wel lets c all u mugs go behind bars u wont lyk it one bit will yh [bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] sorry Kadie, but until your friend has done his time and payed for the fear he bought to others, he is a mindless thug, and guess what, I bought up 3 like him and am not proud. Good folks dont have to go behind bars to find out how ur friend is feeling, babe they dont have too, its people like ur mate and my sons have to pay the price, old saying, if you cant do the time , dont do the crime. trouble is it dont stop us caring about and loving them, and maybe thats were we are wrong. You can't abuse others that put their opinion. When infact they are right it's our loved ones that are acting like mugs and losing their liberty because f it. Best wishes [/quote] Anna I would just like to say that I also read alot of what was written about you and yours on hear two weeks ago.I would like to say that I hold my hands up and was wrong about you. You seem a very nice descent and at times brutally honest who will openly admit that some times her kids (well 3 of them) are little you know whats at times and for this I have the utmost respect for you and have also learnt a very valid lesson that everything is not always so black and white and defiantly
not always what it seems.
Anna wrote:
kadie wrote: i know one of dem so dnt run of ur mouth yh u dnt know him u fink bcoz his behind bars its good wel lets c all u mugs go behind bars u wont lyk it one bit will yh
sorry Kadie, but until your friend has done his time and payed for the fear he bought to others, he is a mindless thug, and guess what, I bought up 3 like him and am not proud. Good folks dont have to go behind bars to find out how ur friend is feeling, babe they dont have too, its people like ur mate and my sons have to pay the price, old saying, if you cant do the time , dont do the crime. trouble is it dont stop us caring about and loving them, and maybe thats were we are wrong. You can't abuse others that put their opinion. When infact they are right it's our loved ones that are acting like mugs and losing their liberty because f it. Best wishes
Anna I would just like to say that I also read alot of what was written about you and yours on hear two weeks ago.I would like to say that I hold my hands up and was wrong about you. You seem a very nice descent and at times brutally honest who will openly admit that some times her kids (well 3 of them) are little you know whats at times and for this I have the utmost respect for you and have also learnt a very valid lesson that everything is not always so black and white and defiantly
not always what it seems.
Posted by: MD, Scotland on 12:22pm Mon 17 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Harvey[/bold] wrote:
[quote]He\'s a very respectable guy, and i cannot believe this case of injustice![/quote] Ha ha ha - that\'s so funny! It\'s so strange how the prisons are always so full of innocent people. People who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, people who have been stitched up, people who acted completely \'out of character\'. Hmmm. If only the authorities would release all the \'wronged\' people from jail then there wouldn\'t be those pesky overcrowding problems! I assume the numerous witnesses and CCTV evidence in this case had nothing to do with your brother in law\'s conviction?[/quote] If there were numerous witnesses why werent their statements used as evidence. The alleged broken nose didnt exist either and the cctv was not viewed in the court down to the judges view of it being "long winded and unneccessary". Again an example of people spouting nonsense without knowing the facts
Harvey wrote:
He\'s a very respectable guy, and i cannot believe this case of injustice!
Ha ha ha - that\'s so funny! It\'s so strange how the prisons are always so full of innocent people. People who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, people who have been stitched up, people who acted completely \'out of character\'. Hmmm. If only the authorities would release all the \'wronged\' people from jail then there wouldn\'t be those pesky overcrowding problems! I assume the numerous witnesses and CCTV evidence in this case had nothing to do with your brother in law\'s conviction?
If there were numerous witnesses why werent their statements used as evidence. The alleged broken nose didnt exist either and the cctv was not viewed in the court down to the judges view of it being "long winded and unneccessary". Again an example of people spouting nonsense without knowing the facts
Posted by: cazza, london on 1:01pm Mon 17 Mar 08
Having sat in court the day these people were sentenced i know for a FACT (which is something noone here has apparently heard of) that what is printed in here is a load of rubbish there were no women or children or elderly attacked and this was never stated in court either. The so called "broken nose" was not and this was stated in court. Is it any wonder there are wrongly accused people in prison if even random strangers such as yourselves condemn people without knowing the truth or even caring to listen. If a newspaper can blatently lie about someone having a broken nose when in court the prosecution had to state that there was no broken nose as had been rumoured it makes you wonder what else they will write just to get people to read it.
Having sat in court the day these people were sentenced i know for a FACT (which is something noone here has apparently heard of) that what is printed in here is a load of rubbish there were no women or children or elderly attacked and this was never stated in court either. The so called "broken nose" was not and this was stated in court. Is it any wonder there are wrongly accused people in prison if even random strangers such as yourselves condemn people without knowing the truth or even caring to listen. If a newspaper can blatently lie about someone having a broken nose when in court the prosecution had to state that there was no broken nose as had been rumoured it makes you wonder what else they will write just to get people to read it.
Posted by: Dave, Bromly on 9:50pm Mon 17 Mar 08
So what if he handed himself in, and so what if there wasnt a broken nose, the yobs are in prison and I for one am glad. If they are hard done by they shouldnt have been involved, GOOD [bold]bold[/bold]
So what if he handed himself in, and so what if there wasnt a broken nose, the yobs are in prison and I for one am glad. If they are hard done by they shouldnt have been involved, GOOD
Posted by: CAFC on 8:44am Tue 18 Mar 08
Get real! if he is so innocent why did he hand himself in? take those rose tinted glasses off he got what he deserved. Also think "both" clubs chairmen have to take some of the blame for a sitution that has got out of hand.
Get real! if he is so innocent why did he hand himself in? take those rose tinted glasses off he got what he deserved. Also think "both" clubs chairmen have to take some of the blame for a sitution that has got out of hand.
Posted by: Mark, dartford on 10:04am Tue 18 Mar 08
Many under achievers, act in this way.Hyped up football games, now seem to attract trouble( home or away).
This mentality,is a result of too much expectation,from a game, not really relevant, to issues that are important.
Many under achievers, act in this way.Hyped up football games, now seem to attract trouble( home or away).
This mentality,is a result of too much expectation,from a game, not really relevant, to issues that are important.
Posted by: Wrong place, wrong time, London on 11:43am Tue 18 Mar 08
This may seems all well and good, but I can only speak for the featured person on this article. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time and regretted what he did, which is why he went to the police station. Some of your comments are outrageous, and in many ways are as bad as the crime. He is a good person, and will be a loss to all of his friends and colleagues at Uni. I dont condone his actions, as he doesnt, but this sentence was too strong for such a promising young person, on the verge of gaining a 1st from Uni. Also this story is misleading, so anyone commenting solely on this basis of this article cant possibly make a true judgement. As I say I olny speak for the mentioned John de Bono, as I dont know anyone else involved.
Feel ashamed some of you for your silly and uninformed comments.
This may seems all well and good, but I can only speak for the featured person on this article. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time and regretted what he did, which is why he went to the police station. Some of your comments are outrageous, and in many ways are as bad as the crime. He is a good person, and will be a loss to all of his friends and colleagues at Uni. I dont condone his actions, as he doesnt, but this sentence was too strong for such a promising young person, on the verge of gaining a 1st from Uni. Also this story is misleading, so anyone commenting solely on this basis of this article cant possibly make a true judgement. As I say I olny speak for the mentioned John de Bono, as I dont know anyone else involved.
Feel ashamed some of you for your silly and uninformed comments.
Posted by: Bill Davies, Lewisham on 2:13pm Tue 18 Mar 08
I would have thought being a Crystal Palace fan was punishment enough. Anyway, be reminded...
"The train contained women, children and elderly people." He pleaded GUILTY to the serious crime of violent disorder - what are you suggesting? That he should have been given a fine just because he is 'on the verge of gaining a 1st from Uni'? If it was out of character then I hope he learns from it and moves on - although with a criminal record he will be haunted by this for the rest of life. But the pity I have is for innocent members of the public who are subjected to thuggery like this.
I would have thought being a Crystal Palace fan was punishment enough. Anyway, be reminded...
"The train contained women, children and elderly people." He pleaded GUILTY to the serious crime of violent disorder - what are you suggesting? That he should have been given a fine just because he is 'on the verge of gaining a 1st from Uni'? If it was out of character then I hope he learns from it and moves on - although with a criminal record he will be haunted by this for the rest of life. But the pity I have is for innocent members of the public who are subjected to thuggery like this.
Posted by: Wrong place, wrong time, London on 4:50pm Tue 18 Mar 08
Everyone will have their views, and this is mine, I feel its coming from a place of better informed. I haev agreed a punishment is nessesary, and however much he is my mate, it is. If you look at the relativity of the sentence compared to small sentences to less publicised crimes then it is long. Peado's get next to nothing compared to this.
Being at Uni isnt an excuse to act in this manor, nor is having done it after having a drink. But does making the future a tough prospect for John, even more so as he has potentially wasted 3 years at uni with nothing to show for it, as good idea. Im sure he wouldnt, but lesser people could find themselfs being led to re-offend.
I have spoken to the editor about the way this story was written, and she has reworded it, but its still very misleading.
I guess most of the people commenting on here are ignorant and uneducated anyway, I pitty some of the short sighted fools in this world.
Everyone will have their views, and this is mine, I feel its coming from a place of better informed. I haev agreed a punishment is nessesary, and however much he is my mate, it is. If you look at the relativity of the sentence compared to small sentences to less publicised crimes then it is long. Peado's get next to nothing compared to this.
Being at Uni isnt an excuse to act in this manor, nor is having done it after having a drink. But does making the future a tough prospect for John, even more so as he has potentially wasted 3 years at uni with nothing to show for it, as good idea. Im sure he wouldnt, but lesser people could find themselfs being led to re-offend.
I have spoken to the editor about the way this story was written, and she has reworded it, but its still very misleading.
I guess most of the people commenting on here are ignorant and uneducated anyway, I pitty some of the short sighted fools in this world.
Posted by: mark, Dartford on 12:35am Wed 19 Mar 08
He get's what he deserves.He was obviously guilty of some disorder( in order to have been in court).People are fed up with this kind of behaviour.So what if he has beeen to Uni.If this is the sort of student it produces,god help us in the future.
He get's what he deserves.He was obviously guilty of some disorder( in order to have been in court).People are fed up with this kind of behaviour.So what if he has beeen to Uni.If this is the sort of student it produces,god help us in the future.
Posted by: Paul, Ramsden on 10:14am Wed 19 Mar 08
The sentences were extremely harsh but the judiciary must be consistent and give stiff sentences to the Clowns who threw one of ours through the McDonalds window in Greenwich - that was 4 on 1 I believe and hence the comments above from you lot about one on one will fall on deaf ears.
The sentences were extremely harsh but the judiciary must be consistent and give stiff sentences to the Clowns who threw one of ours through the McDonalds window in Greenwich - that was 4 on 1 I believe and hence the comments above from you lot about one on one will fall on deaf ears.
Posted by: The truth, South London on 3:41pm Wed 19 Mar 08
As a couple of people have already written the reporting of this story has been misleading and distorted. I was in court last week and heard what was said , I also know that there was only one journalist present and therefore all of the papers / websites have run the story on the back of one persons impression.One of the defendants has been one of my best mates for 25 years , yes he was an idiot and he readily acknowledges that , did he set out to harm or frighten innocent people - No ! Were the Charlton fans on the train giving it the "big 'un" as the train pulled in to the station - Yes ! I don't condone what took place when they got on the train but all of a sudden the people already on the train are being made out to be angels - Wrong - They were giving it large until they saw how many Palace were on the platform and then they tried to shrink - Unfortunately for them and for the boys that are now banged up it was too late.
As a couple of people have already written the reporting of this story has been misleading and distorted. I was in court last week and heard what was said , I also know that there was only one journalist present and therefore all of the papers / websites have run the story on the back of one persons impression.One of the defendants has been one of my best mates for 25 years , yes he was an idiot and he readily acknowledges that , did he set out to harm or frighten innocent people - No ! Were the Charlton fans on the train giving it the "big 'un" as the train pulled in to the station - Yes ! I don't condone what took place when they got on the train but all of a sudden the people already on the train are being made out to be angels - Wrong - They were giving it large until they saw how many Palace were on the platform and then they tried to shrink - Unfortunately for them and for the boys that are now banged up it was too late.
Posted by: Billy, London on 4:28pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Well said 'The Truth'
Posted by: CAFC on 8:31am Fri 21 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Paul[/bold] wrote:
The sentences were extremely harsh but the judiciary must be consistent and give stiff sentences to the Clowns who threw one of ours through the McDonalds window in Greenwich - that was 4 on 1 I believe and hence the comments above from you lot about one on one will fall on deaf ears.[/quote] Think you'll fine the Mcdonalds 4 are innocent they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and was only trying to get Nigel into work on time.
Paul wrote:
The sentences were extremely harsh but the judiciary must be consistent and give stiff sentences to the Clowns who threw one of ours through the McDonalds window in Greenwich - that was 4 on 1 I believe and hence the comments above from you lot about one on one will fall on deaf ears.
Think you'll fine the Mcdonalds 4 are innocent they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and was only trying to get Nigel into work on time.
Posted by: mark, Dartford on 9:39am Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]The truth[/bold] wrote:
As a couple of people have already written the reporting of this story has been misleading and distorted. I was in court last week and heard what was said , I also know that there was only one journalist present and therefore all of the papers / websites have run the story on the back of one persons impression.One of the defendants has been one of my best mates for 25 years , yes he was an idiot and he readily acknowledges that , did he set out to harm or frighten innocent people - No ! Were the Charlton fans on the train giving it the \"big \'un\" as the train pulled in to the station - Yes ! I don\'t condone what took place when they got on the train but all of a sudden the people already on the train are being made out to be angels - Wrong - They were giving it large until they saw how many Palace were on the platform and then they tried to shrink - Unfortunately for them and for the boys that are now banged up it was too late. [/quote] He gets what he deserves!
He has admitted that.So what is the problem?
People should be able to travel, without this behaviour.
I have no sympathy, many train journeys are filled with this kind of behaviour, that is not only, worrying, but needs to be addressed.
The truth wrote:
As a couple of people have already written the reporting of this story has been misleading and distorted. I was in court last week and heard what was said , I also know that there was only one journalist present and therefore all of the papers / websites have run the story on the back of one persons impression.One of the defendants has been one of my best mates for 25 years , yes he was an idiot and he readily acknowledges that , did he set out to harm or frighten innocent people - No ! Were the Charlton fans on the train giving it the \"big \'un\" as the train pulled in to the station - Yes ! I don\'t condone what took place when they got on the train but all of a sudden the people already on the train are being made out to be angels - Wrong - They were giving it large until they saw how many Palace were on the platform and then they tried to shrink - Unfortunately for them and for the boys that are now banged up it was too late.
He gets what he deserves!
He has admitted that.So what is the problem?
People should be able to travel, without this behaviour.
I have no sympathy, many train journeys are filled with this kind of behaviour, that is not only, worrying, but needs to be addressed.
Posted by: td on 2:38am Tue 8 Apr 08
I think the point these people defending them are making is that, although agreeing that they are guilty, the combined sentencing for this group being "custodial sentences totalling more than 18 years" is clearly very severe considering the actual injuries received i.e. no more than one bloody nose (not broken).
I think the point these people defending them are making is that, although agreeing that they are guilty, the combined sentencing for this group being "custodial sentences totalling more than 18 years" is clearly very severe considering the actual injuries received i.e. no more than one bloody nose (not broken).
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