St Paul's Cray Primary School tells child to remove jubilee hair ribbons

9:23am Wednesday 6th June 2012 in Latest News By David Mills

Elizabeth Carrick with her daughter Jessica Munford, 11 Elizabeth Carrick with her daughter Jessica Munford, 11

THE mum of a child ordered to remove her Diamond Jubilee hair ribbons at school, says teachers care more about an annual French day than the Queen's 60th anniversary.

Jessica Munford, 11, was told by staff at St Paul's Cray Church of England Primary School on Thursday to take her red, white and blue ribbons out of her hair, as it did not conform with the uniform policy.

Her mother Elizabeth Carrick, 42, has blasted the school in Buttermere Road for not celebrating the Queen's jubilee last week - unlike many other schools in the borough.

The school says it marked the occasion when the Queen visited Bromley on May 15.

It also stated that arrangements had been made for a school photograph to take place on Friday.

Mrs Carrick, of Brook Road, Swanley said: "They've been told they're not allowed to dress up or have any parties.

"Yet they dress up every year for French day without fail, and make croissants.

"I'm just furious that this is a Church of England school, which the Queen is head of, yet all the other schools are celebrating with street parties.

"This is an occasion that's never going to come around again in their lifetime.

"What harm does it do to dress up in red, white and blue and have some fun?"

She added: "I think they care more about the French day than the jubilee.

"We celebrate that every year yet the jubilee is one of the most historic things to happen for this country and they just held one celebration the afternoon the Queen came to Bromley."

Defending the school's stance, vice chair of governors Jeff Blyth said: "When the Queen visited Bromley we had a special celebration.

"It was a very big event in the term and everyone had a fantastic time.

"We're very supportive of the Queen's jubilee.

"In terms of our uniform policy we expect the children to adhere to the uniform policy when attending school.

"We did a lot more for the jubilee than the French day. It has been a real focus of attention this term.

"Lots of schools took their decision about where they would have their celebration.

"We thought the best day was the day the Queen came to Bromley."

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Chrisbitz says...
9:29am Wed 6 Jun 12

There are two stories here. One is a school's lack of jubilee celebrations, and the other is one girls lack of respect for the clearly stated uniform policy. IT's an important life lesson that she learns as she grows up, that you need to follow rules.

The next thing her mum will be supporting is that "she only stole a low value item, so that matters less than if she stole a high value item"

Rules are rules, and as petty as it might seem, if they don't enforce it now, then next she'll be having piercings, and jewellery and makeup.

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nikkiw says...
9:44am Wed 6 Jun 12

How stuck up can you get? This is a one-off celebration, the entire nation got into the spirit of it regardless of colour or religion. What harm would that ribbon do? Shame on that school. This petty rule hasn't taught the kids anything useful. Uniform rules throughout the year are fine but there have to be times when you need to get into the spirit of things and loosen up a little. The headmaster sounds like a stuck up dinosaur on a power trip.

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Proud gypsy gal says...
10:03am Wed 6 Jun 12

is Mrs Mcalister still head teacher there? this article does not surprise me in the least,

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PaulErith says...
10:12am Wed 6 Jun 12

Chrisbitz wrote:
There are two stories here. One is a school's lack of jubilee celebrations, and the other is one girls lack of respect for the clearly stated uniform policy. IT's an important life lesson that she learns as she grows up, that you need to follow rules. The next thing her mum will be supporting is that "she only stole a low value item, so that matters less than if she stole a high value item" Rules are rules, and as petty as it might seem, if they don't enforce it now, then next she'll be having piercings, and jewellery and makeup.
I agree, although we'll probably be in the minority. Maybe the school could have done more to celebrate, and maybe that could have involved a dress down day, etc.

However, the school didn't. Therefore, the school uniform rules have to be followed. More and more these days, parents complain that it's unfair their kids can't have red hair or nose piercings, etc. Then we wonder why teenagers are having less and less respect for authority and rules.

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nikkiw says...
10:40am Wed 6 Jun 12

I don’t know why piercings are being brought into this. The girl had no interest in having a piercing. I would be fuming if my daughter wanted a piercing or a tattoo at that age. Did you people not read the article? She wanted a ribbon. Get a sense of perspective here people. Its like saying: if we allow kids to have some fun, they'll all turn into drug dealers and prostitutes before we know it. Please. Yes there is a problem with lack of respect for authority in general. The law is soft on criminals and parents let kids run riots in supermarkets. But there are ways to teach kids respect and this wasn’t one of them. That was a case of the headmaster throwing their weight around. That’s my opinion anyway. My kids’ school did the celebrations and they all absolutely loved it. The did arts and crafts, had a fundraising picnic, competition for best hand-made hat, lots of fun. The school’s choice not to join in is baffling but even if they didn’t, they could have shown some leniency for those wishing to wear a small poxy ribbon. As I said it was a one-off day. I’d love to see what the headmaster bans for Christmas.

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Chrisbitz says...
10:44am Wed 6 Jun 12

nikkiw wrote:
I don’t know why piercings are being brought into this. The girl had no interest in having a piercing. I would be fuming if my daughter wanted a piercing or a tattoo at that age. Did you people not read the article? She wanted a ribbon. Get a sense of perspective here people. Its like saying: if we allow kids to have some fun, they'll all turn into drug dealers and prostitutes before we know it. Please. Yes there is a problem with lack of respect for authority in general. The law is soft on criminals and parents let kids run riots in supermarkets. But there are ways to teach kids respect and this wasn’t one of them. That was a case of the headmaster throwing their weight around. That’s my opinion anyway. My kids’ school did the celebrations and they all absolutely loved it. The did arts and crafts, had a fundraising picnic, competition for best hand-made hat, lots of fun. The school’s choice not to join in is baffling but even if they didn’t, they could have shown some leniency for those wishing to wear a small poxy ribbon. As I said it was a one-off day. I’d love to see what the headmaster bans for Christmas.
Piercings were mentioned for the purpose of using an analogy, so that the hard of thinking could follow along. :-)
I don't know why you brought up Christmas, Didn't you read the article? It wasn't mentioned at all :-)

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Bingo T says...
11:02am Wed 6 Jun 12

The school supported the Jubilee on the Queens visit day as they had school photos booked on the last day of term. Some parents will moan about anything - yes be annoyed but surely this much publicity is OTT??

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nikkiw says...
11:15am Wed 6 Jun 12

Well that is your opinion and that was mine. The best teachers, ones that stick in children's minds for all good reasons, are the ones who know how to have a laugh, and inspire the kids to learn through play. Rules are rules, true, but if rules get beyond the point of ridiculous then they defeat the object. Luckily my kids go to a school that teaches respect and manages to have a laugh at the same time.

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Jeeepsie Joe says...
11:25am Wed 6 Jun 12

Dont ya just love the pose with the sunglasses perched on top of muvers 'ead.
Look at me, look at me.

Rules are rules, deal with it. I cannot believe how some people run to the NS for a moment of 'fame' over such trivial BS.

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Excalibur says...
11:33am Wed 6 Jun 12

Jeeepsie Joe wrote:
Dont ya just love the pose with the sunglasses perched on top of muvers 'ead. Look at me, look at me. Rules are rules, deal with it. I cannot believe how some people run to the NS for a moment of 'fame' over such trivial BS.
Absolutely spot on, unfortunately though the chav elements in our society fail to comprehend rhis.

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Excalibur says...
11:34am Wed 6 Jun 12

or even comprehend 'this'!

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nikkiw says...
11:39am Wed 6 Jun 12

Ah yes but if it wasn’t for the chavs of this world how else would some people manage to feel oh so superior. I have never met the mother of this child and i know nothing about her, therefore i would not make the idiotic assumption that she's somehow beneath me. Luckily for you, you seem to have a crystal ball, good for you.

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PaulErith says...
11:43am Wed 6 Jun 12

nikkiw wrote:
I don’t know why piercings are being brought into this. The girl had no interest in having a piercing. I would be fuming if my daughter wanted a piercing or a tattoo at that age. Did you people not read the article? She wanted a ribbon. Get a sense of perspective here people. Its like saying: if we allow kids to have some fun, they'll all turn into drug dealers and prostitutes before we know it. Please. Yes there is a problem with lack of respect for authority in general. The law is soft on criminals and parents let kids run riots in supermarkets. But there are ways to teach kids respect and this wasn’t one of them. That was a case of the headmaster throwing their weight around. That’s my opinion anyway. My kids’ school did the celebrations and they all absolutely loved it. The did arts and crafts, had a fundraising picnic, competition for best hand-made hat, lots of fun. The school’s choice not to join in is baffling but even if they didn’t, they could have shown some leniency for those wishing to wear a small poxy ribbon. As I said it was a one-off day. I’d love to see what the headmaster bans for Christmas.
I should have known better than to use an analogy!

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Jeeepsie Joe says...
11:48am Wed 6 Jun 12

nikkiw must be a woman, that means any logic has to be thrown out the window immediately.


nikkiw are you infact a chav from the Crays ?

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madras says...
12:02pm Wed 6 Jun 12

I just LOVE local newspapers' 'grumpy face' photos - another classic for the 'Angry people in local newspapers' webpage methinks!

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Jeeepsie Joe says...
12:06pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Yep don't ya just love it Madras. It makes a change though they normally have their arms folded, Hilda Baker style.

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nikkiw says...
12:11pm Wed 6 Jun 12

I'm not sure if i wish to waste my time replying to your cheap, predictable, archaic put-downs Jeeepsie Joe, but as long as it makes you feel better, you can pat yourself on the back. Congratulations: name calling wins again. I'm off to work.

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Jeeepsie Joe says...
12:23pm Wed 6 Jun 12

nikkiw wrote:
I'm not sure if i wish to waste my time replying to your cheap, predictable, archaic put-downs Jeeepsie Joe, but as long as it makes you feel better, you can pat yourself on the back. Congratulations: name calling wins again. I'm off to work.
There there, you just had to reply though little Miss Chavina.

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durhaminvantry says...
12:25pm Wed 6 Jun 12

you are all intitled to your comments, but i am not a chav ,i was brought up to be proud to be british ,my father fought in ww2 and my grandfather in ww1 both proud to fight for king and country ! i thought better of a church of England school, it would have done no harm to let the children dress up for one day and to have class parties ,my daughter always wears her uniform and always does her homework ,she does not wear earrings to school or make up ! I am proud to be british and my heritage, and if that is wrong then im glad im wrong , GOD SAVE THE QUEEN ! RULE BRITANNIA !

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durhaminvantry says...
12:55pm Wed 6 Jun 12

also would someone please inlighten me to as what is a chav ? i was born in the sixties :)

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durhaminvantry says...
1:08pm Wed 6 Jun 12

i also feel the need to explain why i was wearing white sunglasses ,white crop trousers and a red top , i work in a primary school that actually celebrated all week and had two dress up days ,that is why i am wearing what i am wearing ,the children where i work all had a fantastic street party infront of the school wear they all wore their jubilee crowns ,they had a fantastic time .... and all recieved special jubilee coins ,well done to the school where i work :) i hope everyone is happy now ? ... but maybe not me thinks :)

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nikkiw says...
1:34pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Good on you girl. I'd sabotage the French day when it comes up.

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Jeeepsie Joe says...
1:56pm Wed 6 Jun 12

durhaminvantry, spelling 7/10

durhaminvantry, punctuation and grammar 3/10

Room for a lot of improvement, see Mizz after skool.

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Brook says...
2:25pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Ms Carrick - it's simple, either shut up and stop ruining your childs education or move her to another school where there is no uniform code

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bizzymum says...
2:38pm Wed 6 Jun 12

If young Jessica is 11 years old it means she has just 6 or 7 weeks left at this school before moving to Secondary school. Why make a such a fuss when there's so little time left or is there more to this story?

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reasonable75 says...
3:33pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Whilst it might seem petty by the school if there is a strict policy then allowing Jessica to wear the ribbons could be seen to establish a precedent - next term someone arrives with green braids "well if it was OK for Jessica...."

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mouthalmighty says...
3:59pm Wed 6 Jun 12

gord What a palaver. Follow school rules and shut up. I agree with buzzymum, that there may be something else to this story we do not know about.

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Virtual-Monster says...
4:54pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Another chav parent thinking their kid can do anything they want. Another rubbish Newshopper non-story. Oh dear.

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ron.1952 says...
6:21pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Elizabeth Carrick, 42, are you sure ? 42 well you must have had a lot of wear and tear poor cow.


Ron

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mcbobbyw says...
6:23pm Wed 6 Jun 12

I know the Girl and her Mother very much and the Chav Mum and ill disciplined girl comments are disgusting.
Jess Is the most polite and well mannered Girl I know, Elizabeth Is a great Mother and a very hard working Parent. Why should our schools celebrate Foreign events but not something as Important as our Queen's Diamond Jubilee.
Get a life People patriotism Is a good and Right thing too teach our Children. Well Done Liz xx

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ron.1952 says...
6:30pm Wed 6 Jun 12

What are you after mcbobbyw ?


Ron

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mcbobbyw says...
6:35pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Chrisbitz wrote:
There are two stories here. One is a school's lack of jubilee celebrations, and the other is one girls lack of respect for the clearly stated uniform policy. IT's an important life lesson that she learns as she grows up, that you need to follow rules.

The next thing her mum will be supporting is that "she only stole a low value item, so that matters less than if she stole a high value item"

Rules are rules, and as petty as it might seem, if they don't enforce it now, then next she'll be having piercings, and jewellery and makeup.
Jess Is the best behaved child In her school....Her Mum is a law abiding citizen ....
do you know them or you just making assumptions....Clear
ly you dont work or anything and spend most of your time bad mouthing people.....get a job layabout

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mcbobbyw says...
6:38pm Wed 6 Jun 12

nikkiw wrote:
I'm not sure if i wish to waste my time replying to your cheap, predictable, archaic put-downs Jeeepsie Joe, but as long as it makes you feel better, you can pat yourself on the back. Congratulations: name calling wins again. I'm off to work.
You should explain too jeepsiejoe that work is what people do to earn money to live......
Otherwise he may think you mean robbing people....clearly thats all a crank like him could do for a living

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mcbobbyw says...
6:47pm Wed 6 Jun 12

ron.1952 wrote:
What are you after mcbobbyw ?


Ron
why Ron should i do as you do and view teen **** ....No thanks

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ron.1952 says...
7:05pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Why mcbobbyw just what are you insinuating with that comment ?

Now what are you the childs latest 'uncle' ?

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iworkforaliving says...
7:09pm Wed 6 Jun 12

who is this ron plank and what does his name stand for ? ron 1952 times hes been turned down for brain cell implants, or ron 1952 times hes claimed incapacity benefit, or ron 1952 times hes said "honestly i am looking for work"

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iworkforaliving says...
7:11pm Wed 6 Jun 12

come on people there are loads of these !!!!!! join in.

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ron.1952 says...
7:20pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Ladies and Gentlemen introducing the one and only 'iworkforaliving', the original village idiot.

A round of applause if you please. Dead silence !!

Do run along 'iworkforaliving'.


Ron

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mcbobbyw says...
7:30pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Ron the weasel wouldnt know work if it hit him right between the eyes

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mcbobbyw says...
7:35pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Ron Your just some idiot who sits a his pc all day long... Let me guess 30/40 stone, long beard , pkt of tissue handy and blisters on your hands yeh know your type

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Flowergirl76 says...
9:46pm Wed 6 Jun 12

mcbobbyw wrote:
Ron Your just some idiot who sits a his pc all day long... Let me guess 30/40 stone, long beard , pkt of tissue handy and blisters on your hands yeh know your type
Brilliant ! Made me laugh out loud

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ron.1952 says...
10:26pm Wed 6 Jun 12

Well you are easily amused Flowergirl, by an imbecile too.

Are you sure it's not a feather in your draws making you laugh out loud, or don't you wear them in your trade.

Ron

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Flowergirl76 says...
11:11pm Wed 6 Jun 12

ron.1952 wrote:
Well you are easily amused Flowergirl, by an imbecile too.

Are you sure it's not a feather in your draws making you laugh out loud, or don't you wear them in your trade.

Ron
You make me laugh too at times Ron ! Chill ;)

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reptiles says...
8:32am Thu 7 Jun 12

As far as i know Ribbon in your hair is NOT part of any school uniform. Ive never seen it on any school uniform list, and never seen it in a school uniform shop that it has to be a certain colour. Lighten up teaching staff it was for 1 day, colour of any other type of head wear.
Mind you i must admit as a child ( a long time ago) i got told off for NOT wearing Blue elastic bands in my hair - back in the say elastic bands were all 1 colour!!! schools back every other " day" like red nose day etc why NOT the QUEENS special day!! as it was lasat daay of term they should have had a dress down or jubilee day and raised money for something or other for all those that wanted to take part, as im sure they probably do for other charitable days!!!

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durhaminvantry says...
9:44am Thu 7 Jun 12

ron 1952 ,a complete idiot ,who knows nothing of this person ,making assumptions,that this woman has had loads of men ! disgusting,has nothing to do with the story, just wants to make himself look big by slagging off this woman who is patriotic ,and has brought up her kids decently ,this woman has been with the same man for over 17 years ,i know the woman ,and has worked since the age of 12 ,and thank you to reptiles, who made her point exactly ,that they do dress up for everything else including storybook day where the kids dress up as a character from a book !! and jeans for jeans day ,and bbc children in need ,and french day ,and st georges day where they dress up in scouts uniforms and in red and white !

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Jeeepsie Joe says...
11:16am Thu 7 Jun 12

durhaminvantry, your written English is appalling. Have you any idea about capital letters or full stops. Your comment is very near unreadable.


I know you're a council tenant chav too, 'aint ya' ?

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Jeeepsie Joe says...
11:57am Thu 7 Jun 12

"i also feel the need to explain why i was wearing white sunglasses ,white crop trousers and a red top , i work in a primary school that actually celebrated all week and had two dress up days ,that is why i am wearing what i am wearing "

Now you're telling us durhaminvantry that you aint the chav in the photo. What are you a liar !!

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Make Life says...
1:15pm Thu 7 Jun 12

durhaminvantry wrote:
also would someone please inlighten me to as what is a chav ? i was born in the sixties :)
A CHAV is Council Homed And Violent, lowest of the low, meaningless person etc etc

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nikkiw says...
1:15pm Thu 7 Jun 12

Jeeepsie Joe, i don’t know why you have this massive chip on your shoulder but let me tell you, no amount of education can make up for your remarkably obnoxious comments that serve no purpose. You may be articulate and your spelling impeccable but there is more to life than perfect punctuation. What you're failing to grasp is the fact that true measure of a man or a woman cannot be judged by how well they can spell. You're rude, aggressive and you're embarrassing yourself. There is clearly a big divide in the opinions about the ribbon, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. There is absolutely no need for you to categorise people into chavs and non-chavs and to turn this thread into a slanging match with some woman you know nothing about. You're just a weirdo who knows how to spell. Get the man a medal.

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nikkiw says...
1:15pm Thu 7 Jun 12

Jeeepsie Joe, i don’t know why you have this massive chip on your shoulder but let me tell you, no amount of education can make up for your remarkably obnoxious comments that serve no purpose. You may be articulate and your spelling impeccable but there is more to life than perfect punctuation. What you're failing to grasp is the fact that true measure of a man or a woman cannot be judged by how well they can spell. You're rude, aggressive and you're embarrassing yourself. There is clearly a big divide in the opinions about the ribbon, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. There is absolutely no need for you to categorise people into chavs and non-chavs and to turn this thread into a slanging match with some woman you know nothing about. You're just a weirdo who knows how to spell. Get the man a medal.

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gemmy says...
1:20pm Thu 7 Jun 12

durhaminvantry wrote:
i also feel the need to explain why i was wearing white sunglasses ,white crop trousers and a red top , i work in a primary school that actually celebrated all week and had two dress up days ,that is why i am wearing what i am wearing ,the children where i work all had a fantastic street party infront of the school wear they all wore their jubilee crowns ,they had a fantastic time .... and all recieved special jubilee coins ,well done to the school where i work :) i hope everyone is happy now ? ... but maybe not me thinks :)
Please tell me that you don't 'teach' the children at the Primary School where you work, your grammar, punctuation and spelling is appalling.

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nikkiw says...
1:28pm Thu 7 Jun 12

A chav is a slang term used to describe people usually living in council estates, mostly unemployed, uneducated, loud, brash, mouthy with a characteristic dress sense, usually designer rip-offs from bovi market and such, wearing excessive jewellery.

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Loclomum says...
1:37pm Thu 7 Jun 12

The posts above are quite amusing....

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marisaBR5 says...
2:34pm Thu 7 Jun 12

Parents who publicly question school's discipline are CATEGORICALLY always the ones who come running for help when their child, confused about who to listen to and who to obey, start going off the rails at about Year 9 stage.

I have seen loads of quite nice kids from nice families end up on permanent exclusions because their parents felt that they had ultimate authority to publicly question their child's school's discipline.

It's really simple - if she was told to take out the ribbons then support the school to your child. The wise parent would say: 'That's a shame but you can wear them all over the half term holiday if you like, darling. Now, tell me about what you learnt in Maths today' etc. If it is THAT big a deal (and frankly, who the hell has time to ring a newspaper to complain about hair ribbons) then ring the school PRIVATELY and ask them about it.

They want, presumably, to teach her at this school, not to have the distraction of her wearing coloured ribbons in her hair. They have already celebrated the Jubilee, they don't want to have every day as another reason for a uniform permutation.

What parents WANT is tight discipline and high expectations for everyone ELSE'S children, but to be able to create their own exceptions to rules for their own children. Everyone ELSE'S child can get into trouble and be held accountable, but MY child is never wrong/never lies/wouldn't do that/wouldn't say that/ has a right to do that.

Kids that complain to their parents about school WANT them to back them up and to fight their corner, but they NEED them to support the school (as I said, at least in front of their child). Kids do not need two sets of adults in their lives feeding them different messages.

The secondary school receiving this child will be dreading having to enforce their policies with this child I expect. Sad for everyone really, the child, the school and the community. Big mistake all round.

The wisest parents I work with ring privately if there is an issue and raise it. They truly understand the value of working together for the good of their child and not bad-mouthing or undermining their child's school's discipline.

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the wall says...
2:34pm Thu 7 Jun 12

Jeeepsie Joe wrote:
Dont ya just love the pose with the sunglasses perched on top of muvers 'ead.
Look at me, look at me.

Rules are rules, deal with it. I cannot believe how some people run to the NS for a moment of 'fame' over such trivial BS.
+1

So Elizabeth Carrick is a regular church goer then. Otherwise how else would you get your child into a C of E school. Maybe she needs a reminder of the saying 'Turn the Other Cheek'

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the wall says...
2:46pm Thu 7 Jun 12

mcbobbyw wrote:
I know the Girl and her Mother very much and the Chav Mum and ill disciplined girl comments are disgusting.
Jess Is the most polite and well mannered Girl I know, Elizabeth Is a great Mother and a very hard working Parent. Why should our schools celebrate Foreign events but not something as Important as our Queen's Diamond Jubilee.
Get a life People patriotism Is a good and Right thing too teach our Children. Well Done Liz xx
Capitalisation can mean the difference between helping jack off a horse and helping Jack off a horse.

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mcbobbyw says...
4:29pm Thu 7 Jun 12

nikkiw wrote:
Jeeepsie Joe, i don’t know why you have this massive chip on your shoulder but let me tell you, no amount of education can make up for your remarkably obnoxious comments that serve no purpose. You may be articulate and your spelling impeccable but there is more to life than perfect punctuation. What you're failing to grasp is the fact that true measure of a man or a woman cannot be judged by how well they can spell. You're rude, aggressive and you're embarrassing yourself. There is clearly a big divide in the opinions about the ribbon, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. There is absolutely no need for you to categorise people into chavs and non-chavs and to turn this thread into a slanging match with some woman you know nothing about. You're just a weirdo who knows how to spell. Get the man a medal.
jeepsie joe liz has bought her home so (council what) better than the caravan bought for you with dss grant i guess......

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Jeeepsie Joe says...
5:09pm Thu 7 Jun 12

Mcbobbyw do you understand the concept of capital letters at all ? Probably not as you are no doubt a council tenant from the Crays too.

Farnborough Park me boi, we even have our own website, check it out and dream son.

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goldenbroomboy says...
5:16pm Thu 7 Jun 12

Chrisbitz wrote:
There are two stories here. One is a school's lack of jubilee celebrations, and the other is one girls lack of respect for the clearly stated uniform policy. IT's an important life lesson that she learns as she grows up, that you need to follow rules. The next thing her mum will be supporting is that "she only stole a low value item, so that matters less than if she stole a high value item" Rules are rules, and as petty as it might seem, if they don't enforce it now, then next she'll be having piercings, and jewellery and makeup.
You imply that the young lady & her mother are thieves because the girl wanted to wear a ribbon in her hair?

You are an absolute disgrace.

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Chrisbitz says...
5:20pm Thu 7 Jun 12

goldenbroomboy wrote:
Chrisbitz wrote:
There are two stories here. One is a school's lack of jubilee celebrations, and the other is one girls lack of respect for the clearly stated uniform policy. IT's an important life lesson that she learns as she grows up, that you need to follow rules. The next thing her mum will be supporting is that "she only stole a low value item, so that matters less than if she stole a high value item" Rules are rules, and as petty as it might seem, if they don't enforce it now, then next she'll be having piercings, and jewellery and makeup.
You imply that the young lady & her mother are thieves because the girl wanted to wear a ribbon in her hair?

You are an absolute disgrace.
Ahhh, bless you! You did very well reading my comment - what a shame you didn't manage to figure out that it was an analogy so that the hard of thinking could keep up!

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goldenbroomboy says...
5:28pm Thu 7 Jun 12

Erm, if you intended a harmless analogy why didn't you just stick with the jewellery? Ever heard of libel?

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Jeeepsie Joe says...
6:00pm Thu 7 Jun 12

Ever hear of common sense. It's just not as common as we think now.

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bizzymum says...
6:29pm Thu 7 Jun 12

Jeepsie, common sense is as common as Elvis. Reading this thread, I think it just left the building :)

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bexleybee says...
11:36pm Thu 7 Jun 12

Obviously discretion does not exist in this school.

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TheEverardedbutt says...
9:01am Fri 8 Jun 12

durhaminvantry wrote:
i also feel the need to explain why i was wearing white sunglasses ,white crop trousers and a red top , i work in a primary school that actually celebrated all week and had two dress up days ,that is why i am wearing what i am wearing ,the children where i work all had a fantastic street party infront of the school wear they all wore their jubilee crowns ,they had a fantastic time .... and all recieved special jubilee coins ,well done to the school where i work :) i hope everyone is happy now ? ... but maybe not me thinks :)
So why didn't your daughter go to this lovely primary school you work at?
Travelling to and from school wouldnt be a problem as you are going there anyway

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TheEverardedbutt says...
9:07am Fri 8 Jun 12

durhaminvantry wrote:
ron 1952 ,a complete idiot ,who knows nothing of this person ,making assumptions,that this woman has had loads of men ! disgusting,has nothing to do with the story, just wants to make himself look big by slagging off this woman who is patriotic ,and has brought up her kids decently ,this woman has been with the same man for over 17 years ,i know the woman ,and has worked since the age of 12 ,and thank you to reptiles, who made her point exactly ,that they do dress up for everything else including storybook day where the kids dress up as a character from a book !! and jeans for jeans day ,and bbc children in need ,and french day ,and st georges day where they dress up in scouts uniforms and in red and white !
and its the Durham light Infantry not durhaminvantry.

I'm sure that's who you are referencing in your username.
As someone else mentioned, your spelling is atrocious.
I hope you are merely a dinnerlady and not responsible for educating our children

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TheEverardedbutt says...
9:34am Fri 8 Jun 12

durhaminvantry wrote:
also would someone please inlighten me to as what is a chav ? i was born in the sixties :)
It is enlighten not inlighten and in your previous comment the word is entitled not intitled.
Seriously though are you really a teacher? I have my doubts.
I fear for the next generation if you are the standard to which our children are being taught.

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Jeeepsie Joe says...
11:17am Fri 8 Jun 12

nikkiw wrote:
Jeeepsie Joe, i don’t know why you have this massive chip on your shoulder but let me tell you, no amount of education can make up for your remarkably obnoxious comments that serve no purpose. You may be articulate and your spelling impeccable but there is more to life than perfect punctuation. What you're failing to grasp is the fact that true measure of a man or a woman cannot be judged by how well they can spell. You're rude, aggressive and you're embarrassing yourself. There is clearly a big divide in the opinions about the ribbon, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. There is absolutely no need for you to categorise people into chavs and non-chavs and to turn this thread into a slanging match with some woman you know nothing about. You're just a weirdo who knows how to spell. Get the man a medal.
nikkiw I'm devastated, I take it I'm off your Christmas card list now too.
The irony of your own name calling I'm sure is lost on your own pea sized brain.

I think old Rons right about all those 'uncles', that's what the Durham Light Infantry are.

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cherished says...
8:56am Sun 10 Jun 12

marisaBR5 wrote:
Parents who publicly question school's discipline are CATEGORICALLY always the ones who come running for help when their child, confused about who to listen to and who to obey, start going off the rails at about Year 9 stage.

I have seen loads of quite nice kids from nice families end up on permanent exclusions because their parents felt that they had ultimate authority to publicly question their child's school's discipline.

It's really simple - if she was told to take out the ribbons then support the school to your child. The wise parent would say: 'That's a shame but you can wear them all over the half term holiday if you like, darling. Now, tell me about what you learnt in Maths today' etc. If it is THAT big a deal (and frankly, who the hell has time to ring a newspaper to complain about hair ribbons) then ring the school PRIVATELY and ask them about it.

They want, presumably, to teach her at this school, not to have the distraction of her wearing coloured ribbons in her hair. They have already celebrated the Jubilee, they don't want to have every day as another reason for a uniform permutation.

What parents WANT is tight discipline and high expectations for everyone ELSE'S children, but to be able to create their own exceptions to rules for their own children. Everyone ELSE'S child can get into trouble and be held accountable, but MY child is never wrong/never lies/wouldn't do that/wouldn't say that/ has a right to do that.

Kids that complain to their parents about school WANT them to back them up and to fight their corner, but they NEED them to support the school (as I said, at least in front of their child). Kids do not need two sets of adults in their lives feeding them different messages.

The secondary school receiving this child will be dreading having to enforce their policies with this child I expect. Sad for everyone really, the child, the school and the community. Big mistake all round.

The wisest parents I work with ring privately if there is an issue and raise it. They truly understand the value of working together for the good of their child and not bad-mouthing or undermining their child's school's discipline.
Well done, the only sensible comment in this news story. Parents need to support schools not run to the papers. I think parents also need to consider the fact that their child and their friends will also read the nasty comments some will put on Newsshopper about them and the harm this could do.

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moose-mouse says...
1:25am Mon 11 Jun 12

Both my children attend this school and the mothers accusations are pure rubbish.

24 children were chosen to go to the Queens parade and the mayors lunch. After lunch they returned to school for a whole afternoon of jubilee fun and celebrations.

The Friday discussed in the article was class photo day and they are always asked to stick to uniform policy for this. Only recently have parents been asked to tone down their children's hair accessories as many children loose them and are upset.

It is a brilliant school despite what some say about it. You will never keep everyone happy but I am totally satisfied with the care and education my two recieve.KS 1 is lovely and the nursery is extra brilliant. I have high standards having been a nursery nurse before.

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