Debate rages over CyclingMikey Bromley Common YouTube video

The YouTube video showing an altercation between Robert Lewis and cyclingmikey has provoked much debate.

The YouTube video showing an altercation between Robert Lewis and cyclingmikey has provoked much debate.

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A YouTube video uploaded by cyclist 'CyclingMikey' showing an altercation between him and a car driver in Bromley Common has provoked much debate among News Shopper readers.

The video shows Robert Lewis attempt to overtake CyclingMikey's recumbent bicycle, but the pair end up exchanging some heated words.

Arguments range from whether Mr Lewis was wrong to overtake CyclingMikey to whether CyclingMikey should have been using a cycle lane.

There is also a question mark over whether CyclingMikey was right to upload the video onto YouTube.

Tim Roberts wrote to News Shopper saying: "The fact is the driver should not have tried to overtake here, even if he thought he was being waved through (which I find hard to believe from the footage).

"The Highway Code is clear that cars shouldn't overtake when there is a pinch point ahead.

"The driver was clearly contravening rules in the Highway Code and his actions were potentially dangerous.

"The cyclist was only looking out for his own safety which should be the number one priority given the huge number of cycling deaths last year."

Meanwhile Brian Morris said: "It is the cyclist who was threatened by poor and inconsiderate driving.

"Who will come off worst in a collision between the two vehicles?"

However below the story BickleyBoy commented: "CyclingMikey strikes me as unnecessarily aggressive, my sympathies to Mr Lewis who has been outrageously maligned."

And Ferdy54 added: "So councils are wasting thousands of pounds making cycle lanes that a minority of people want and idiots like him don't even use them!!!

"The guy in the car is right, he should get on the cycle lane."

But ADDIKS181 hit back, saying: "The comments about cyclists using cycle lanes are all very valid so long as the cyclist is riding a small pink bicycle with stabilisers, ribbons and plenty of flags!

"Until the local authorities and the GLA properly invest in cycling, these situations will persist.

"Bicycle lanes need to be properly segregated and designed with modern bikes in mind, which do travel at speed and so should not be mixed with pedestrians."

People who have also had videos of themselves put on YouTube by CyclingMikey have got in touch.

Lee Concannon said: "In reference to CyclingMikey's video, this is a reccurring problem where he gives a hand signal, you overtake and he starts getting verbal at you.

"This happened to me in Keston, late summer last year.

"The first I knew was when I received a letter from the police.

"They told me they had reviewed the footage themselves and there was no issues with the overtake.

"I watched the video I was furious that my car details and details about me had been placed on YouTube.

"Looking at his videos I'm certain he goes out of his way to try and get people in trouble with the police despite giving hand signals which could be interpreted as overtake."

A police spokesman said: "We can confirm that officers in our Roadsafe London team was made aware of an incident involving a car and cyclist in Heathfield Road, Bromley, on August 11 2013.

"Officers from the Met's Roadsafe London team viewed footage of the incident and issued the registered keeper words of advice on overtaking vehicles on the road in line with rule 163 of the Highway Code."

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1:30pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

Great NS reporting - I love the way they have missed out the fact that a lot of the posts also pointed out that cycling in a cycle lane is -not- a legal requirement - I think NS reporters may also want to pick up and read a copy of the Highway Code sometime soon ;)
Great NS reporting - I love the way they have missed out the fact that a lot of the posts also pointed out that cycling in a cycle lane is -not- a legal requirement - I think NS reporters may also want to pick up and read a copy of the Highway Code sometime soon ;) Dr. Nick
  • Score: 17

1:41pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Roshie says...

This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area.
He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable.
The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube.
This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. Roshie
  • Score: -22

2:08pm Mon 31 Mar 14

the wall says...

Recumbent bicycle....... Who remembers the Sinclair C5 - doubts were raised about its safety in traffic. These recumbent bikes have many issues.
Recumbent bicycle....... Who remembers the Sinclair C5 - doubts were raised about its safety in traffic. These recumbent bikes have many issues. the wall
  • Score: -21

2:27pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Eagles_Man says...

So, the NS has produced a 'news' story based on the comment reaction to one of their previous news stories. Call the Pulitzer Prize committee!
So, the NS has produced a 'news' story based on the comment reaction to one of their previous news stories. Call the Pulitzer Prize committee! Eagles_Man
  • Score: 28

3:10pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Dr. Nick says...

Roshie wrote:
This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area.
He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable.
The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube.
A few small wording corrections:
"feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents.
"travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange.
He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle.
In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else.

I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike.
[quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube.[/p][/quote]A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. Dr. Nick
  • Score: 21

7:41pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

I have no doubt CyclingMikey has a life membership of the Berkshire Hunt.
I have no doubt CyclingMikey has a life membership of the Berkshire Hunt. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -24

9:02pm Mon 31 Mar 14

veloevol says...

Sorry I'm a bit confused. How can he cycle and carry a camera at the same time?
Sorry I'm a bit confused. How can he cycle and carry a camera at the same time? veloevol
  • Score: -7

10:16pm Mon 31 Mar 14

PeterM says...

I've watched this video, as well as others from Cycling Mikey, together with videos all over YouTube from cyclists, and my view is that this incident is very minor compared with some that I have seen.

Taking no sides I do not see how Mr Lewis can confuse Mikey's hand gesture as an invitation to overtake, if anything it appears to be an indication to turn right, which means that Mr Lewis should not even have attempted an overtake at that point. Mr Lewis then seemed to want to have an argument with Mikey by driving alongside of him in the way that he did.

As a car driver I am seeing many, many more cyclists on the road, and welcome this. More cyclists = less cars = less congestion and quicker journey times.

As a cyclist I see more aggression from an ever increasing minority of motorists who can't seem to wait five to ten seconds for a safe opportunity to overtake. Motorists who sit about two to three feet from my rear wheel when I am cycling at 25 mph, or pass so close that I can touch their car.

I bought a cycle camera three years ago after being knocked off twice by motorists opening their doors onto me and a minibus driven into the back of me when I stopped at a red light. In 2011 I would have maybe five incidents happen in the course of a week that were regarded as close shaves, now five in a single day is not uncommon. It is very clear that, whilst it is still a minority of motorists that drive poorly around cyclists, that minority is getting significantly bigger.
I've watched this video, as well as others from Cycling Mikey, together with videos all over YouTube from cyclists, and my view is that this incident is very minor compared with some that I have seen. Taking no sides I do not see how Mr Lewis can confuse Mikey's hand gesture as an invitation to overtake, if anything it appears to be an indication to turn right, which means that Mr Lewis should not even have attempted an overtake at that point. Mr Lewis then seemed to want to have an argument with Mikey by driving alongside of him in the way that he did. As a car driver I am seeing many, many more cyclists on the road, and welcome this. More cyclists = less cars = less congestion and quicker journey times. As a cyclist I see more aggression from an ever increasing minority of motorists who can't seem to wait five to ten seconds for a safe opportunity to overtake. Motorists who sit about two to three feet from my rear wheel when I am cycling at 25 mph, or pass so close that I can touch their car. I bought a cycle camera three years ago after being knocked off twice by motorists opening their doors onto me and a minibus driven into the back of me when I stopped at a red light. In 2011 I would have maybe five incidents happen in the course of a week that were regarded as close shaves, now five in a single day is not uncommon. It is very clear that, whilst it is still a minority of motorists that drive poorly around cyclists, that minority is getting significantly bigger. PeterM
  • Score: 25

12:39am Tue 1 Apr 14

freegancyclist says...

It is probably 60 years since the number of cyclists on the area's roads has been this high. Proportionately, the casualty rate is historically low. However, whilst the risk in the past was overwhelmingly the carelessness of drivers, deliberate aggression is now a major factor. We had a cyclist killed by that recently in the Orpington area, and who could forget the poor man deliberately crushed against a railing in Edinburgh a few years back?

The sudden increase in cyclists does mean a majority are relative novices; bear that in mind when considering passing one, with 15 inches to spare, in a vehicle weighing upwards of a tonne and a half. Mikey is no novice, in fact he is a cycling instructor, but some of his videos show him justifiably scared by driver behaviour. He talks a lot about drivers' sense of 'entitlement' making them excuse appalling treatment of vulnerable road users. Could be time to listen to the bloke. I find him very persuasive.
It is probably 60 years since the number of cyclists on the area's roads has been this high. Proportionately, the casualty rate is historically low. However, whilst the risk in the past was overwhelmingly the carelessness of drivers, deliberate aggression is now a major factor. We had a cyclist killed by that recently in the Orpington area, and who could forget the poor man deliberately crushed against a railing in Edinburgh a few years back? The sudden increase in cyclists does mean a majority are relative novices; bear that in mind when considering passing one, with 15 inches to spare, in a vehicle weighing upwards of a tonne and a half. Mikey is no novice, in fact he is a cycling instructor, but some of his videos show him justifiably scared by driver behaviour. He talks a lot about drivers' sense of 'entitlement' making them excuse appalling treatment of vulnerable road users. Could be time to listen to the bloke. I find him very persuasive. freegancyclist
  • Score: 18

9:41am Tue 1 Apr 14

Roshie says...

shie wrote:
This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area.
He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable.
The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube.
A few small wording corrections:
"feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents.
"travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange.
He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle.
In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else.

I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike.

The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.
shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad. Roshie
  • Score: -25

10:19am Tue 1 Apr 14

Dr. Nick says...

Roshie wrote:
shie wrote:
This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area.
He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable.
The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube.
A few small wording corrections:
"feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents.
"travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange.
He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle.
In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else.

I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike.

The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.
This is one opinion I guess, but just one.
[quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.[/p][/quote]This is one opinion I guess, but just one. Dr. Nick
  • Score: 1

10:26am Tue 1 Apr 14

Dr. Nick says...

Roshie wrote:
shie wrote:
This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area.
He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable.
The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube.
A few small wording corrections:
"feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents.
"travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange.
He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle.
In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else.

I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike.

The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.
I wonder yet again if you hold the same opinion of the people who ride this style of bike due to their disability? But I guess you have answered that point via your attitude to such style bikes.

You seem to forget that the roads were not made for cars and that the public highway is just that, Public. As we need to all share the road, your excuse for poor driving by other road users is basically bullying others off the road via poor attitude.

I would love to see you explain to a disabled person on a bike why they should not be on the road - now that video I would pay to see as I know what would happen. I could arrange this scenario for you if you like?
[quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.[/p][/quote]I wonder yet again if you hold the same opinion of the people who ride this style of bike due to their disability? But I guess you have answered that point via your attitude to such style bikes. You seem to forget that the roads were not made for cars and that the public highway is just that, Public. As we need to all share the road, your excuse for poor driving by other road users is basically bullying others off the road via poor attitude. I would love to see you explain to a disabled person on a bike why they should not be on the road - now that video I would pay to see as I know what would happen. I could arrange this scenario for you if you like? Dr. Nick
  • Score: 13

10:53am Tue 1 Apr 14

Dr. Nick says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.
This is one opinion I guess, but just one.
Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.[/p][/quote]This is one opinion I guess, but just one.[/p][/quote]Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it. Dr. Nick
  • Score: 16

11:07am Tue 1 Apr 14

Simon Bull says...

Eagles_Man wrote:
So, the NS has produced a 'news' story based on the comment reaction to one of their previous news stories. Call the Pulitzer Prize committee!
Think only American newspapers and websites are eligible for a Pulitzer so encouraging people to waste their time and money by calling is rather irresponsible. Thanks for the thought though!
[quote][p][bold]Eagles_Man[/bold] wrote: So, the NS has produced a 'news' story based on the comment reaction to one of their previous news stories. Call the Pulitzer Prize committee![/p][/quote]Think only American newspapers and websites are eligible for a Pulitzer so encouraging people to waste their time and money by calling is rather irresponsible. Thanks for the thought though! Simon Bull
  • Score: 1

11:47am Tue 1 Apr 14

Roshie says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.
This is one opinion I guess, but just one.
Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.
If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.[/p][/quote]This is one opinion I guess, but just one.[/p][/quote]Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.[/p][/quote]If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes. Roshie
  • Score: -29

12:40pm Tue 1 Apr 14

TimothyM says...

There is also a question mark over whether CyclingMikey was right to upload the video onto YouTube.

Not really. It's a public place, you may be filmed

Lee Concannon said: "In reference to cyclingmikey's video, this is a reccurring problem where he gives a hand signal, you overtake and he starts getting verbal at you.
"Looking at his videos I'm certain he goes out of his way to try and get people in trouble with the police despite giving hand signals which could be interpreted as overtake."

A hand out to the right meant either a warning of an upcoming obstruction or a single to turn right. it never means overtake.

If a driver finds it difficult to know when to overtake another vehicle (as cyclists are vehicles), they should send their licence back to the DVLA.
There is also a question mark over whether CyclingMikey was right to upload the video onto YouTube. Not really. It's a public place, you may be filmed Lee Concannon said: "In reference to cyclingmikey's video, this is a reccurring problem where he gives a hand signal, you overtake and he starts getting verbal at you. "Looking at his videos I'm certain he goes out of his way to try and get people in trouble with the police despite giving hand signals which could be interpreted as overtake." A hand out to the right meant either a warning of an upcoming obstruction or a single to turn right. it never means overtake. If a driver finds it difficult to know when to overtake another vehicle (as cyclists are vehicles), they should send their licence back to the DVLA. TimothyM
  • Score: 21

12:44pm Tue 1 Apr 14

TimothyM says...

Roshie wrote:
This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area.
He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable.
The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube.
If he is traveling at high speeds, how is he holding people up?

If you can't drive safely around other road users you should send you licence back to the DVLA.
[quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube.[/p][/quote]If he is traveling at high speeds, how is he holding people up? If you can't drive safely around other road users you should send you licence back to the DVLA. TimothyM
  • Score: 15

2:43pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Cycling_Mikey says...

Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.
This is one opinion I guess, but just one.
Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.
If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.
If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.


Interestingly, my recumbent is higher than many sports cars, and my lights are at a similar height to those on an average sedan car. My rear light is higher than that on CycleGaz's bicycle, for example. Perhaps surprisingly, visibility issues are totally opposite from what you imagine. Experience has taught me that this bike is far more visible than my upright bicycles.

Anyway, visibility is clearly not a problem in this video. The problem is someone trying to overtake through a pinch point, where a bicycle and a car don't fit at the same time. Or did you imagine RB51WEL moved out to pass an invisible vehicle, and then talked to an invisible cyclist?
[quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.[/p][/quote]This is one opinion I guess, but just one.[/p][/quote]Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.[/p][/quote]If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.[/p][/quote][quote]If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.[/quote] Interestingly, my recumbent is higher than many sports cars, and my lights are at a similar height to those on an average sedan car. My rear light is higher than that on CycleGaz's bicycle, for example. Perhaps surprisingly, visibility issues are totally opposite from what you imagine. Experience has taught me that this bike is far more visible than my upright bicycles. Anyway, visibility is clearly not a problem in this video. The problem is someone trying to overtake through a pinch point, where a bicycle and a car don't fit at the same time. [bold]Or did you imagine RB51WEL moved out to pass an invisible vehicle, and then talked to an invisible cyclist?[/bold] Cycling_Mikey
  • Score: 16

2:50pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Toolbox69 says...

I can't see the video right now but I'd like to know whether or not the cyclist was moving when he put his hand out and what signal he was giving.
I can't see the video right now but I'd like to know whether or not the cyclist was moving when he put his hand out and what signal he was giving. Toolbox69
  • Score: 0

2:59pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Toolbox69 says...

Toolbox69 wrote:
I can't see the video right now but I'd like to know whether or not the cyclist was moving when he put his hand out and what signal he was giving.
OK, just realised it is in the story itself.

Not a fan of cyclists but having watched the video (without sound), it strikes me the cyclist isn't doing anything wrong (unless he is shouting at the car - I cannot turn sound up right now).

Have to say though, the cyclist does seem a little wobbly on that contraption. Certainly not something you would find me attempting to ride on a busy A road.
[quote][p][bold]Toolbox69[/bold] wrote: I can't see the video right now but I'd like to know whether or not the cyclist was moving when he put his hand out and what signal he was giving.[/p][/quote]OK, just realised it is in the story itself. Not a fan of cyclists but having watched the video (without sound), it strikes me the cyclist isn't doing anything wrong (unless he is shouting at the car - I cannot turn sound up right now). Have to say though, the cyclist does seem a little wobbly on that contraption. Certainly not something you would find me attempting to ride on a busy A road. Toolbox69
  • Score: 1

5:02pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Dr. Nick says...

Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.
This is one opinion I guess, but just one.
Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.
If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.
You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here.

Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need.

I would love to meet you out on the road sometime.
[quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.[/p][/quote]This is one opinion I guess, but just one.[/p][/quote]Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.[/p][/quote]If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.[/p][/quote]You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here. Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need. I would love to meet you out on the road sometime. Dr. Nick
  • Score: 12

9:10am Wed 2 Apr 14

PaulErith says...

Cyclists - ban em! Total nuisance!
Cyclists - ban em! Total nuisance! PaulErith
  • Score: -10

10:08am Wed 2 Apr 14

white rabbit9 says...

check out the many interactions on youtube. People are so stressed out on the road.
check out the many interactions on youtube. People are so stressed out on the road. white rabbit9
  • Score: 6

11:06am Wed 2 Apr 14

Roshie says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.
This is one opinion I guess, but just one.
Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.
If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.
You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here.

Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need.

I would love to meet you out on the road sometime.
Please, just tell me that in the roads as they are now that a recumbant cycle is a safe mode of transport.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.[/p][/quote]This is one opinion I guess, but just one.[/p][/quote]Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.[/p][/quote]If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.[/p][/quote]You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here. Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need. I would love to meet you out on the road sometime.[/p][/quote]Please, just tell me that in the roads as they are now that a recumbant cycle is a safe mode of transport. Roshie
  • Score: -3

11:21am Wed 2 Apr 14

Dr. Nick says...

Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.
This is one opinion I guess, but just one.
Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.
If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.
You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here.

Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need.

I would love to meet you out on the road sometime.
Please, just tell me that in the roads as they are now that a recumbant cycle is a safe mode of transport.
They are a perfectly safe form of transport, just like any other. The only time it becomes dangerous is when other users/drivers do not pay attention or give the courtesy to other road users they should (and are expected to do by law) just like with every other form of transport. I have a perfect right to be on the shared road with you as you do with me. The key word is SHARE(D). Frankly your attitude toward disability stinks - but that is a separate issue for you to deal with.

It is the idiotic and selfish attitudes of others that is the dangerous part of any journey and not the vehicle itself. Excuses do not hold.
[quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.[/p][/quote]This is one opinion I guess, but just one.[/p][/quote]Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.[/p][/quote]If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.[/p][/quote]You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here. Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need. I would love to meet you out on the road sometime.[/p][/quote]Please, just tell me that in the roads as they are now that a recumbant cycle is a safe mode of transport.[/p][/quote]They are a perfectly safe form of transport, just like any other. The only time it becomes dangerous is when other users/drivers do not pay attention or give the courtesy to other road users they should (and are expected to do by law) just like with every other form of transport. I have a perfect right to be on the shared road with you as you do with me. The key word is SHARE(D). Frankly your attitude toward disability stinks - but that is a separate issue for you to deal with. It is the idiotic and selfish attitudes of others that is the dangerous part of any journey and not the vehicle itself. Excuses do not hold. Dr. Nick
  • Score: 12

11:23am Wed 2 Apr 14

Dr. Nick says...

PaulErith wrote:
Cyclists - ban em! Total nuisance!
lol, I am sure they will one day, just after they have banned people called Paul or anyone from Erith - Total Nuisance! ;)
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: Cyclists - ban em! Total nuisance![/p][/quote]lol, I am sure they will one day, just after they have banned people called Paul or anyone from Erith - Total Nuisance! ;) Dr. Nick
  • Score: 11

1:38pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Roshie says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.
This is one opinion I guess, but just one.
Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.
If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.
You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here.

Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need.

I would love to meet you out on the road sometime.
Please, just tell me that in the roads as they are now that a recumbant cycle is a safe mode of transport.
They are a perfectly safe form of transport, just like any other. The only time it becomes dangerous is when other users/drivers do not pay attention or give the courtesy to other road users they should (and are expected to do by law) just like with every other form of transport. I have a perfect right to be on the shared road with you as you do with me. The key word is SHARE(D). Frankly your attitude toward disability stinks - but that is a separate issue for you to deal with.

It is the idiotic and selfish attitudes of others that is the dangerous part of any journey and not the vehicle itself. Excuses do not hold.
Take your blinkers off and read the question. On today's roads do you think recumbant cycles are a safe way to travel? yes or no
Nothing about being selfish, nothing about disability of which you are making assumptions based on an answer I gave regarding why would you risk more disability, bearing in mind the videos that have been posted. I would call it showing concern for your welfare.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.[/p][/quote]This is one opinion I guess, but just one.[/p][/quote]Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.[/p][/quote]If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.[/p][/quote]You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here. Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need. I would love to meet you out on the road sometime.[/p][/quote]Please, just tell me that in the roads as they are now that a recumbant cycle is a safe mode of transport.[/p][/quote]They are a perfectly safe form of transport, just like any other. The only time it becomes dangerous is when other users/drivers do not pay attention or give the courtesy to other road users they should (and are expected to do by law) just like with every other form of transport. I have a perfect right to be on the shared road with you as you do with me. The key word is SHARE(D). Frankly your attitude toward disability stinks - but that is a separate issue for you to deal with. It is the idiotic and selfish attitudes of others that is the dangerous part of any journey and not the vehicle itself. Excuses do not hold.[/p][/quote]Take your blinkers off and read the question. On today's roads do you think recumbant cycles are a safe way to travel? yes or no Nothing about being selfish, nothing about disability of which you are making assumptions based on an answer I gave regarding why would you risk more disability, bearing in mind the videos that have been posted. I would call it showing concern for your welfare. Roshie
  • Score: -8

2:34pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Cycling_Mikey says...

Recumbents are at least as safe as normal bicycles, and I think rather a little bit safer, based on the 50,000 London cycling miles I have, of which about 40,000 are on recumbents.

Cycling in the UK is generally safe - regular cyclists have two years more life expectancy than the general population on average. Cycling is safer than not cycling.

What is not so nice is the minority of drivers who drive poorly around cyclists and have no problem intimidating them. To be fair, the majority of drivers, cyclists and pedestrians are perfectly decent. I think my videos cover interactions between 1 in 1000-5000 motorists/cyclists/p
edestrians. It's not hard to imagine how bad a 1 in 5000 can be, generally.

I'm simply one of thousands of YouTubing camera cyclists, and I think there are well over 100,000 online videos from cycle camera users now. It's also very evident that few drivers take well to the idea that their driving can be criticised in this manner.
Recumbents are at least as safe as normal bicycles, and I think rather a little bit safer, based on the 50,000 London cycling miles I have, of which about 40,000 are on recumbents. Cycling in the UK is generally safe - regular cyclists have two years more life expectancy than the general population on average. Cycling is safer than not cycling. What is not so nice is the minority of drivers who drive poorly around cyclists and have no problem intimidating them. To be fair, the majority of drivers, cyclists and pedestrians are perfectly decent. I think my videos cover interactions between 1 in 1000-5000 motorists/cyclists/p edestrians. It's not hard to imagine how bad a 1 in 5000 can be, generally. I'm simply one of thousands of YouTubing camera cyclists, and I think there are well over 100,000 online videos from cycle camera users now. It's also very evident that few drivers take well to the idea that their driving can be criticised in this manner. Cycling_Mikey
  • Score: 13

2:40pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Dr. Nick says...

Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.
This is one opinion I guess, but just one.
Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.
If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.
You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here.

Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need.

I would love to meet you out on the road sometime.
Please, just tell me that in the roads as they are now that a recumbant cycle is a safe mode of transport.
They are a perfectly safe form of transport, just like any other. The only time it becomes dangerous is when other users/drivers do not pay attention or give the courtesy to other road users they should (and are expected to do by law) just like with every other form of transport. I have a perfect right to be on the shared road with you as you do with me. The key word is SHARE(D). Frankly your attitude toward disability stinks - but that is a separate issue for you to deal with.

It is the idiotic and selfish attitudes of others that is the dangerous part of any journey and not the vehicle itself. Excuses do not hold.
Take your blinkers off and read the question. On today's roads do you think recumbant cycles are a safe way to travel? yes or no
Nothing about being selfish, nothing about disability of which you are making assumptions based on an answer I gave regarding why would you risk more disability, bearing in mind the videos that have been posted. I would call it showing concern for your welfare.
The question you have failed to answer is if a recumbent has as much right to be on the road as anyone else. That is where the 'Yes' or 'No' has to come from. Your excuses and attempts to turn the question around are only serving to prove the attitude I mentioned earlier - bullying on our roads is not tolerated by law.

So, -Do- recumbents have as much right to be on the public highway as any other vehicle - Yes or No?
[quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.[/p][/quote]This is one opinion I guess, but just one.[/p][/quote]Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.[/p][/quote]If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.[/p][/quote]You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here. Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need. I would love to meet you out on the road sometime.[/p][/quote]Please, just tell me that in the roads as they are now that a recumbant cycle is a safe mode of transport.[/p][/quote]They are a perfectly safe form of transport, just like any other. The only time it becomes dangerous is when other users/drivers do not pay attention or give the courtesy to other road users they should (and are expected to do by law) just like with every other form of transport. I have a perfect right to be on the shared road with you as you do with me. The key word is SHARE(D). Frankly your attitude toward disability stinks - but that is a separate issue for you to deal with. It is the idiotic and selfish attitudes of others that is the dangerous part of any journey and not the vehicle itself. Excuses do not hold.[/p][/quote]Take your blinkers off and read the question. On today's roads do you think recumbant cycles are a safe way to travel? yes or no Nothing about being selfish, nothing about disability of which you are making assumptions based on an answer I gave regarding why would you risk more disability, bearing in mind the videos that have been posted. I would call it showing concern for your welfare.[/p][/quote]The question you have failed to answer is if a recumbent has as much right to be on the road as anyone else. That is where the 'Yes' or 'No' has to come from. Your excuses and attempts to turn the question around are only serving to prove the attitude I mentioned earlier - bullying on our roads is not tolerated by law. So, -Do- recumbents have as much right to be on the public highway as any other vehicle - Yes or No? Dr. Nick
  • Score: 9

3:57pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Roshie says...

Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.
This is one opinion I guess, but just one.
Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.
If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.
You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here.

Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need.

I would love to meet you out on the road sometime.
Please, just tell me that in the roads as they are now that a recumbant cycle is a safe mode of transport.
They are a perfectly safe form of transport, just like any other. The only time it becomes dangerous is when other users/drivers do not pay attention or give the courtesy to other road users they should (and are expected to do by law) just like with every other form of transport. I have a perfect right to be on the shared road with you as you do with me. The key word is SHARE(D). Frankly your attitude toward disability stinks - but that is a separate issue for you to deal with.

It is the idiotic and selfish attitudes of others that is the dangerous part of any journey and not the vehicle itself. Excuses do not hold.
Take your blinkers off and read the question. On today's roads do you think recumbant cycles are a safe way to travel? yes or no
Nothing about being selfish, nothing about disability of which you are making assumptions based on an answer I gave regarding why would you risk more disability, bearing in mind the videos that have been posted. I would call it showing concern for your welfare.
The question you have failed to answer is if a recumbent has as much right to be on the road as anyone else. That is where the 'Yes' or 'No' has to come from. Your excuses and attempts to turn the question around are only serving to prove the attitude I mentioned earlier - bullying on our roads is not tolerated by law.

So, -Do- recumbents have as much right to be on the public highway as any other vehicle - Yes or No?
Sorry you do not debate with any reason. Personally I believe recumbant cycles on congested urban roads are a ridiculous form of transport from a safety point of view and as such the sooner they are banned the better.
For the record, I also think skateboards, roller blades and roller skates are dangerous forms of transport when used on the road.
[quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.[/p][/quote]This is one opinion I guess, but just one.[/p][/quote]Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.[/p][/quote]If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.[/p][/quote]You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here. Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need. I would love to meet you out on the road sometime.[/p][/quote]Please, just tell me that in the roads as they are now that a recumbant cycle is a safe mode of transport.[/p][/quote]They are a perfectly safe form of transport, just like any other. The only time it becomes dangerous is when other users/drivers do not pay attention or give the courtesy to other road users they should (and are expected to do by law) just like with every other form of transport. I have a perfect right to be on the shared road with you as you do with me. The key word is SHARE(D). Frankly your attitude toward disability stinks - but that is a separate issue for you to deal with. It is the idiotic and selfish attitudes of others that is the dangerous part of any journey and not the vehicle itself. Excuses do not hold.[/p][/quote]Take your blinkers off and read the question. On today's roads do you think recumbant cycles are a safe way to travel? yes or no Nothing about being selfish, nothing about disability of which you are making assumptions based on an answer I gave regarding why would you risk more disability, bearing in mind the videos that have been posted. I would call it showing concern for your welfare.[/p][/quote]The question you have failed to answer is if a recumbent has as much right to be on the road as anyone else. That is where the 'Yes' or 'No' has to come from. Your excuses and attempts to turn the question around are only serving to prove the attitude I mentioned earlier - bullying on our roads is not tolerated by law. So, -Do- recumbents have as much right to be on the public highway as any other vehicle - Yes or No?[/p][/quote]Sorry you do not debate with any reason. Personally I believe recumbant cycles on congested urban roads are a ridiculous form of transport from a safety point of view and as such the sooner they are banned the better. For the record, I also think skateboards, roller blades and roller skates are dangerous forms of transport when used on the road. Roshie
  • Score: -8

4:09pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Dr. Nick says...

Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.
This is one opinion I guess, but just one.
Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.
If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.
You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here.

Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need.

I would love to meet you out on the road sometime.
Please, just tell me that in the roads as they are now that a recumbant cycle is a safe mode of transport.
They are a perfectly safe form of transport, just like any other. The only time it becomes dangerous is when other users/drivers do not pay attention or give the courtesy to other road users they should (and are expected to do by law) just like with every other form of transport. I have a perfect right to be on the shared road with you as you do with me. The key word is SHARE(D). Frankly your attitude toward disability stinks - but that is a separate issue for you to deal with.

It is the idiotic and selfish attitudes of others that is the dangerous part of any journey and not the vehicle itself. Excuses do not hold.
Take your blinkers off and read the question. On today's roads do you think recumbant cycles are a safe way to travel? yes or no
Nothing about being selfish, nothing about disability of which you are making assumptions based on an answer I gave regarding why would you risk more disability, bearing in mind the videos that have been posted. I would call it showing concern for your welfare.
The question you have failed to answer is if a recumbent has as much right to be on the road as anyone else. That is where the 'Yes' or 'No' has to come from. Your excuses and attempts to turn the question around are only serving to prove the attitude I mentioned earlier - bullying on our roads is not tolerated by law.

So, -Do- recumbents have as much right to be on the public highway as any other vehicle - Yes or No?
Sorry you do not debate with any reason. Personally I believe recumbant cycles on congested urban roads are a ridiculous form of transport from a safety point of view and as such the sooner they are banned the better.
For the record, I also think skateboards, roller blades and roller skates are dangerous forms of transport when used on the road.
You must -SHARE- the highway with other road users, not bully them off of it so that you have it to yourself. You have just proved the point that -any- vehicle can be seen as dangerous due to the attitude of some users on the public highway - personally I think your attitude stinks and you should hand your licence in until you can comprehend the concept of sharing. Sadly this will not happen and you will probably have an RTC and believe the other party was 100% to blame as they should not have been on your road. Lets just hope that following the RTC you are not forced to use an alternative transport method on the shared public highway.

Other road users are not your cannon fodder. Learn to share or get off the road one way or another.
[quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.[/p][/quote]This is one opinion I guess, but just one.[/p][/quote]Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.[/p][/quote]If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.[/p][/quote]You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here. Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need. I would love to meet you out on the road sometime.[/p][/quote]Please, just tell me that in the roads as they are now that a recumbant cycle is a safe mode of transport.[/p][/quote]They are a perfectly safe form of transport, just like any other. The only time it becomes dangerous is when other users/drivers do not pay attention or give the courtesy to other road users they should (and are expected to do by law) just like with every other form of transport. I have a perfect right to be on the shared road with you as you do with me. The key word is SHARE(D). Frankly your attitude toward disability stinks - but that is a separate issue for you to deal with. It is the idiotic and selfish attitudes of others that is the dangerous part of any journey and not the vehicle itself. Excuses do not hold.[/p][/quote]Take your blinkers off and read the question. On today's roads do you think recumbant cycles are a safe way to travel? yes or no Nothing about being selfish, nothing about disability of which you are making assumptions based on an answer I gave regarding why would you risk more disability, bearing in mind the videos that have been posted. I would call it showing concern for your welfare.[/p][/quote]The question you have failed to answer is if a recumbent has as much right to be on the road as anyone else. That is where the 'Yes' or 'No' has to come from. Your excuses and attempts to turn the question around are only serving to prove the attitude I mentioned earlier - bullying on our roads is not tolerated by law. So, -Do- recumbents have as much right to be on the public highway as any other vehicle - Yes or No?[/p][/quote]Sorry you do not debate with any reason. Personally I believe recumbant cycles on congested urban roads are a ridiculous form of transport from a safety point of view and as such the sooner they are banned the better. For the record, I also think skateboards, roller blades and roller skates are dangerous forms of transport when used on the road.[/p][/quote]You must -SHARE- the highway with other road users, not bully them off of it so that you have it to yourself. You have just proved the point that -any- vehicle can be seen as dangerous due to the attitude of some users on the public highway - personally I think your attitude stinks and you should hand your licence in until you can comprehend the concept of sharing. Sadly this will not happen and you will probably have an RTC and believe the other party was 100% to blame as they should not have been on your road. Lets just hope that following the RTC you are not forced to use an alternative transport method on the shared public highway. Other road users are not your cannon fodder. Learn to share or get off the road one way or another. Dr. Nick
  • Score: 11

9:56am Thu 3 Apr 14

Meehir says...

Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.
This is one opinion I guess, but just one.
Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.
If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.
You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here.

Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need.

I would love to meet you out on the road sometime.
Please, just tell me that in the roads as they are now that a recumbant cycle is a safe mode of transport.
They are a perfectly safe form of transport, just like any other. The only time it becomes dangerous is when other users/drivers do not pay attention or give the courtesy to other road users they should (and are expected to do by law) just like with every other form of transport. I have a perfect right to be on the shared road with you as you do with me. The key word is SHARE(D). Frankly your attitude toward disability stinks - but that is a separate issue for you to deal with.

It is the idiotic and selfish attitudes of others that is the dangerous part of any journey and not the vehicle itself. Excuses do not hold.
Take your blinkers off and read the question. On today's roads do you think recumbant cycles are a safe way to travel? yes or no
Nothing about being selfish, nothing about disability of which you are making assumptions based on an answer I gave regarding why would you risk more disability, bearing in mind the videos that have been posted. I would call it showing concern for your welfare.
The question you have failed to answer is if a recumbent has as much right to be on the road as anyone else. That is where the 'Yes' or 'No' has to come from. Your excuses and attempts to turn the question around are only serving to prove the attitude I mentioned earlier - bullying on our roads is not tolerated by law.

So, -Do- recumbents have as much right to be on the public highway as any other vehicle - Yes or No?
Sorry you do not debate with any reason. Personally I believe recumbant cycles on congested urban roads are a ridiculous form of transport from a safety point of view and as such the sooner they are banned the better.
For the record, I also think skateboards, roller blades and roller skates are dangerous forms of transport when used on the road.
Sorry you do not debate with any reason. Personally I believe Chelsea Tractors on congested urban roads are a ridiculous form of transport from a safety point of view and as such the sooner they are banned the better.
For the record, I also think white vans, lorries and buses are dangerous forms of transport when used on the road.
There you go roshie, what do you say about my bigoted post?
[quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.[/p][/quote]This is one opinion I guess, but just one.[/p][/quote]Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.[/p][/quote]If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.[/p][/quote]You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here. Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need. I would love to meet you out on the road sometime.[/p][/quote]Please, just tell me that in the roads as they are now that a recumbant cycle is a safe mode of transport.[/p][/quote]They are a perfectly safe form of transport, just like any other. The only time it becomes dangerous is when other users/drivers do not pay attention or give the courtesy to other road users they should (and are expected to do by law) just like with every other form of transport. I have a perfect right to be on the shared road with you as you do with me. The key word is SHARE(D). Frankly your attitude toward disability stinks - but that is a separate issue for you to deal with. It is the idiotic and selfish attitudes of others that is the dangerous part of any journey and not the vehicle itself. Excuses do not hold.[/p][/quote]Take your blinkers off and read the question. On today's roads do you think recumbant cycles are a safe way to travel? yes or no Nothing about being selfish, nothing about disability of which you are making assumptions based on an answer I gave regarding why would you risk more disability, bearing in mind the videos that have been posted. I would call it showing concern for your welfare.[/p][/quote]The question you have failed to answer is if a recumbent has as much right to be on the road as anyone else. That is where the 'Yes' or 'No' has to come from. Your excuses and attempts to turn the question around are only serving to prove the attitude I mentioned earlier - bullying on our roads is not tolerated by law. So, -Do- recumbents have as much right to be on the public highway as any other vehicle - Yes or No?[/p][/quote]Sorry you do not debate with any reason. Personally I believe recumbant cycles on congested urban roads are a ridiculous form of transport from a safety point of view and as such the sooner they are banned the better. For the record, I also think skateboards, roller blades and roller skates are dangerous forms of transport when used on the road.[/p][/quote]Sorry you do not debate with any reason. Personally I believe Chelsea Tractors on congested urban roads are a ridiculous form of transport from a safety point of view and as such the sooner they are banned the better. For the record, I also think white vans, lorries and buses are dangerous forms of transport when used on the road. There you go roshie, what do you say about my bigoted post? Meehir
  • Score: 5

11:30am Thu 3 Apr 14

Roshie says...

Meehir wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Dr. Nick wrote:
Roshie wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.
This is one opinion I guess, but just one.
Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.
If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.
You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here.

Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need.

I would love to meet you out on the road sometime.
Please, just tell me that in the roads as they are now that a recumbant cycle is a safe mode of transport.
They are a perfectly safe form of transport, just like any other. The only time it becomes dangerous is when other users/drivers do not pay attention or give the courtesy to other road users they should (and are expected to do by law) just like with every other form of transport. I have a perfect right to be on the shared road with you as you do with me. The key word is SHARE(D). Frankly your attitude toward disability stinks - but that is a separate issue for you to deal with.

It is the idiotic and selfish attitudes of others that is the dangerous part of any journey and not the vehicle itself. Excuses do not hold.
Take your blinkers off and read the question. On today's roads do you think recumbant cycles are a safe way to travel? yes or no
Nothing about being selfish, nothing about disability of which you are making assumptions based on an answer I gave regarding why would you risk more disability, bearing in mind the videos that have been posted. I would call it showing concern for your welfare.
The question you have failed to answer is if a recumbent has as much right to be on the road as anyone else. That is where the 'Yes' or 'No' has to come from. Your excuses and attempts to turn the question around are only serving to prove the attitude I mentioned earlier - bullying on our roads is not tolerated by law.

So, -Do- recumbents have as much right to be on the public highway as any other vehicle - Yes or No?
Sorry you do not debate with any reason. Personally I believe recumbant cycles on congested urban roads are a ridiculous form of transport from a safety point of view and as such the sooner they are banned the better.
For the record, I also think skateboards, roller blades and roller skates are dangerous forms of transport when used on the road.
Sorry you do not debate with any reason. Personally I believe Chelsea Tractors on congested urban roads are a ridiculous form of transport from a safety point of view and as such the sooner they are banned the better.
For the record, I also think white vans, lorries and buses are dangerous forms of transport when used on the road.
There you go roshie, what do you say about my bigoted post?
Its your opinion and my opinion is my opinion. Unfortunately you are so wrapped up in a bygone time, that you cannot see the dangers of today's roads.
The pure volume of traffic on the road really does not fit with riding a recumbant bike, I cannot see an argument that would suggest they are safe.
[quote][p][bold]Meehir[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr. Nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roshie[/bold] wrote: shie wrote: This cyclist who rides a bike with his feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be is a a regular around the Biggin Hill- Keston area. He travels at high speeds in front of traffic causing long queues behind him causing frustration which he seems to revel in. The machine he rides lays him flat about 70cms from the road surface to the top of his head and is particularly unstable. The man is a pest to other road users and deliberately goes out of his way to cause situations that he can post on youtube. A few small wording corrections: "feet turning the pedals where you would expect the handle bars to be" well only if you nothing about recumbents. "travels at high speeds" would you rather he was slower in front of you then? How strange. He is not "in front of the traffic", he is 'part of the traffic', traffic being -all-the vehicles on the road, this also being a vehicle. In -your- eyes "this man is a pest", to the rest of us he is just a human being trying to get from A to B in or on a vehicle just like the rest of the traffic - where in the Highway Code does it say he does not have a perfect right to be on the road just like everyone else. I wonder: would you have the same opinion of disabled vehicles too, as there are several recumbent bikes and trikes used by disabled people in the Bromley area too. Before you judge the vehicle in front of you, think, "do they have a disability?" - For instance, those with a balance disability will be on a recumbent trike, you can't see their disability, but it is the reason why they are not riding what some people consider a 'normal' bike. The fact is "Dr Nick," if you ride a bike that is designed so that your head is level with the headlight area of a car on busy and congested roads then you are either looking for confrontation or raving mad.[/p][/quote]This is one opinion I guess, but just one.[/p][/quote]Actually thinking about it, as a serving officer invalided out of service whilst on duty, I choose to ride both my recumbent trike and recumbent hand cycle on our roads. Does this make me raving mad or am I looking for a confrontation. No. I am either trying to get from A to B just like everyone else, or I am training for my next ride to raise much needed funds for our charity. Your attitude is not just selfish but also proves you to be a fool. I would love for you to tell me in person I do not have the right to be on the same road as you. I would love it.[/p][/quote]If as a disabled person you are prepared to risk further injury by riding a bike whilst laying on your back, with the handle bars under your thighs, your legs angled up in front of you whilst turning the pedals and your head at the same height as the headlamps of following cars, then good luck to you. and do I think that is madness....yes.[/p][/quote]You really are a person just interested in yourself with no thought for others. At least I know that you are in a minority. I just think it is a shame you are allowed to share the road with the rest of us, as I think you deserve a special road all of your own. We have a word for your kind, though I shall not repeat it here. Just prey that tone day you never meet with an accident which changes not only your whole life but also your outlook on life - but then again, perhaps a change of perspective is exactly what you need. I would love to meet you out on the road sometime.[/p][/quote]Please, just tell me that in the roads as they are now that a recumbant cycle is a safe mode of transport.[/p][/quote]They are a perfectly safe form of transport, just like any other. The only time it becomes dangerous is when other users/drivers do not pay attention or give the courtesy to other road users they should (and are expected to do by law) just like with every other form of transport. I have a perfect right to be on the shared road with you as you do with me. The key word is SHARE(D). Frankly your attitude toward disability stinks - but that is a separate issue for you to deal with. It is the idiotic and selfish attitudes of others that is the dangerous part of any journey and not the vehicle itself. Excuses do not hold.[/p][/quote]Take your blinkers off and read the question. On today's roads do you think recumbant cycles are a safe way to travel? yes or no Nothing about being selfish, nothing about disability of which you are making assumptions based on an answer I gave regarding why would you risk more disability, bearing in mind the videos that have been posted. I would call it showing concern for your welfare.[/p][/quote]The question you have failed to answer is if a recumbent has as much right to be on the road as anyone else. That is where the 'Yes' or 'No' has to come from. Your excuses and attempts to turn the question around are only serving to prove the attitude I mentioned earlier - bullying on our roads is not tolerated by law. So, -Do- recumbents have as much right to be on the public highway as any other vehicle - Yes or No?[/p][/quote]Sorry you do not debate with any reason. Personally I believe recumbant cycles on congested urban roads are a ridiculous form of transport from a safety point of view and as such the sooner they are banned the better. For the record, I also think skateboards, roller blades and roller skates are dangerous forms of transport when used on the road.[/p][/quote]Sorry you do not debate with any reason. Personally I believe Chelsea Tractors on congested urban roads are a ridiculous form of transport from a safety point of view and as such the sooner they are banned the better. For the record, I also think white vans, lorries and buses are dangerous forms of transport when used on the road. There you go roshie, what do you say about my bigoted post?[/p][/quote]Its your opinion and my opinion is my opinion. Unfortunately you are so wrapped up in a bygone time, that you cannot see the dangers of today's roads. The pure volume of traffic on the road really does not fit with riding a recumbant bike, I cannot see an argument that would suggest they are safe. Roshie
  • Score: -7

12:34pm Thu 3 Apr 14

wombat124 says...

Cycling_Mikey wrote:
Recumbents are at least as safe as normal bicycles, and I think rather a little bit safer, based on the 50,000 London cycling miles I have, of which about 40,000 are on recumbents.

Cycling in the UK is generally safe - regular cyclists have two years more life expectancy than the general population on average. Cycling is safer than not cycling.

What is not so nice is the minority of drivers who drive poorly around cyclists and have no problem intimidating them. To be fair, the majority of drivers, cyclists and pedestrians are perfectly decent. I think my videos cover interactions between 1 in 1000-5000 motorists/cyclists/p

edestrians. It's not hard to imagine how bad a 1 in 5000 can be, generally.

I'm simply one of thousands of YouTubing camera cyclists, and I think there are well over 100,000 online videos from cycle camera users now. It's also very evident that few drivers take well to the idea that their driving can be criticised in this manner.
Mikey, I own a car and have been cycling from Hackney to Westminster daily for the past 25 years. I've also done Land's End to John O'Groats so I think I'm qualified to comment. I agree with a lot of what you say about cycling and car drivers. I do however, take issue with a few aspects of your cycling. I know my rights on the road, but I also have consideration for other road users and that means not holding them up unnecessarily. Not using a cycle lane when one is there seems stupid, so I have some sympathy with car drivers who comment to you about this. I know some of them are stupidly designed, but they are still better than being with cars. Also your road position just looks wrong - you are far too far away from the kerb. I would feel vulnerable and more likely to be hit by a vehicle in that position. I know what the Highway Code says but from my experience being closer to the kerb is safer and more sensible. It would also reduce the number of videos you would have to post on YouTube. Just my opinion, but its borne out of years of experience and tens of thousands of miles on London's roads, without any major accidents. Safe cycling! Mark
[quote][p][bold]Cycling_Mikey[/bold] wrote: Recumbents are at least as safe as normal bicycles, and I think rather a little bit safer, based on the 50,000 London cycling miles I have, of which about 40,000 are on recumbents. Cycling in the UK is generally safe - regular cyclists have two years more life expectancy than the general population on average. Cycling is safer than not cycling. What is not so nice is the minority of drivers who drive poorly around cyclists and have no problem intimidating them. To be fair, the majority of drivers, cyclists and pedestrians are perfectly decent. I think my videos cover interactions between 1 in 1000-5000 motorists/cyclists/p edestrians. It's not hard to imagine how bad a 1 in 5000 can be, generally. I'm simply one of thousands of YouTubing camera cyclists, and I think there are well over 100,000 online videos from cycle camera users now. It's also very evident that few drivers take well to the idea that their driving can be criticised in this manner.[/p][/quote]Mikey, I own a car and have been cycling from Hackney to Westminster daily for the past 25 years. I've also done Land's End to John O'Groats so I think I'm qualified to comment. I agree with a lot of what you say about cycling and car drivers. I do however, take issue with a few aspects of your cycling. I know my rights on the road, but I also have consideration for other road users and that means not holding them up unnecessarily. Not using a cycle lane when one is there seems stupid, so I have some sympathy with car drivers who comment to you about this. I know some of them are stupidly designed, but they are still better than being with cars. Also your road position just looks wrong - you are far too far away from the kerb. I would feel vulnerable and more likely to be hit by a vehicle in that position. I know what the Highway Code says but from my experience being closer to the kerb is safer and more sensible. It would also reduce the number of videos you would have to post on YouTube. Just my opinion, but its borne out of years of experience and tens of thousands of miles on London's roads, without any major accidents. Safe cycling! Mark wombat124
  • Score: -6

12:44pm Thu 3 Apr 14

PeterM says...

wombat124 wrote:
Cycling_Mikey wrote:
Recumbents are at least as safe as normal bicycles, and I think rather a little bit safer, based on the 50,000 London cycling miles I have, of which about 40,000 are on recumbents.

Cycling in the UK is generally safe - regular cyclists have two years more life expectancy than the general population on average. Cycling is safer than not cycling.

What is not so nice is the minority of drivers who drive poorly around cyclists and have no problem intimidating them. To be fair, the majority of drivers, cyclists and pedestrians are perfectly decent. I think my videos cover interactions between 1 in 1000-5000 motorists/cyclists/p


edestrians. It's not hard to imagine how bad a 1 in 5000 can be, generally.

I'm simply one of thousands of YouTubing camera cyclists, and I think there are well over 100,000 online videos from cycle camera users now. It's also very evident that few drivers take well to the idea that their driving can be criticised in this manner.
Mikey, I own a car and have been cycling from Hackney to Westminster daily for the past 25 years. I've also done Land's End to John O'Groats so I think I'm qualified to comment. I agree with a lot of what you say about cycling and car drivers. I do however, take issue with a few aspects of your cycling. I know my rights on the road, but I also have consideration for other road users and that means not holding them up unnecessarily. Not using a cycle lane when one is there seems stupid, so I have some sympathy with car drivers who comment to you about this. I know some of them are stupidly designed, but they are still better than being with cars. Also your road position just looks wrong - you are far too far away from the kerb. I would feel vulnerable and more likely to be hit by a vehicle in that position. I know what the Highway Code says but from my experience being closer to the kerb is safer and more sensible. It would also reduce the number of videos you would have to post on YouTube. Just my opinion, but its borne out of years of experience and tens of thousands of miles on London's roads, without any major accidents. Safe cycling! Mark
Whilst I haven't cycled from Lands End to John O'Groats, I have taken part in the BHF London to Brighton ride for the past six years. I've cycled to work for the past 23 years and now work in London, a round trip of 28 miles a day. In all I've been cycling for 46 years since I was 8. I also drive and have had a licence since 1976.

From experience, if I cycle too close to the kerb, I'll end up in all the rubbish that gets pushed there by the passing vehicles, as well as having to negotiate all the drains etc. I will also encounter a large number of close passes. If I cycle where it is recommended that I do, i.e. a metre or more from the kerb, then the close passes in the main disappear, only to be replaced by tailgating.

Mikey is an experienced cyclist and I see nothing wrong with how he rode in the video in question.
[quote][p][bold]wombat124[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cycling_Mikey[/bold] wrote: Recumbents are at least as safe as normal bicycles, and I think rather a little bit safer, based on the 50,000 London cycling miles I have, of which about 40,000 are on recumbents. Cycling in the UK is generally safe - regular cyclists have two years more life expectancy than the general population on average. Cycling is safer than not cycling. What is not so nice is the minority of drivers who drive poorly around cyclists and have no problem intimidating them. To be fair, the majority of drivers, cyclists and pedestrians are perfectly decent. I think my videos cover interactions between 1 in 1000-5000 motorists/cyclists/p edestrians. It's not hard to imagine how bad a 1 in 5000 can be, generally. I'm simply one of thousands of YouTubing camera cyclists, and I think there are well over 100,000 online videos from cycle camera users now. It's also very evident that few drivers take well to the idea that their driving can be criticised in this manner.[/p][/quote]Mikey, I own a car and have been cycling from Hackney to Westminster daily for the past 25 years. I've also done Land's End to John O'Groats so I think I'm qualified to comment. I agree with a lot of what you say about cycling and car drivers. I do however, take issue with a few aspects of your cycling. I know my rights on the road, but I also have consideration for other road users and that means not holding them up unnecessarily. Not using a cycle lane when one is there seems stupid, so I have some sympathy with car drivers who comment to you about this. I know some of them are stupidly designed, but they are still better than being with cars. Also your road position just looks wrong - you are far too far away from the kerb. I would feel vulnerable and more likely to be hit by a vehicle in that position. I know what the Highway Code says but from my experience being closer to the kerb is safer and more sensible. It would also reduce the number of videos you would have to post on YouTube. Just my opinion, but its borne out of years of experience and tens of thousands of miles on London's roads, without any major accidents. Safe cycling! Mark[/p][/quote]Whilst I haven't cycled from Lands End to John O'Groats, I have taken part in the BHF London to Brighton ride for the past six years. I've cycled to work for the past 23 years and now work in London, a round trip of 28 miles a day. In all I've been cycling for 46 years since I was 8. I also drive and have had a licence since 1976. From experience, if I cycle too close to the kerb, I'll end up in all the rubbish that gets pushed there by the passing vehicles, as well as having to negotiate all the drains etc. I will also encounter a large number of close passes. If I cycle where it is recommended that I do, i.e. a metre or more from the kerb, then the close passes in the main disappear, only to be replaced by tailgating. Mikey is an experienced cyclist and I see nothing wrong with how he rode in the video in question. PeterM
  • Score: 12

1:19pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Cycling_Mikey says...

wombat124 wrote:
Cycling_Mikey wrote:
Recumbents are at least as safe as normal bicycles, and I think rather a little bit safer, based on the 50,000 London cycling miles I have, of which about 40,000 are on recumbents.

Cycling in the UK is generally safe - regular cyclists have two years more life expectancy than the general population on average. Cycling is safer than not cycling.

What is not so nice is the minority of drivers who drive poorly around cyclists and have no problem intimidating them. To be fair, the majority of drivers, cyclists and pedestrians are perfectly decent. I think my videos cover interactions between 1 in 1000-5000 motorists/cyclists/p


edestrians. It's not hard to imagine how bad a 1 in 5000 can be, generally.

I'm simply one of thousands of YouTubing camera cyclists, and I think there are well over 100,000 online videos from cycle camera users now. It's also very evident that few drivers take well to the idea that their driving can be criticised in this manner.
Mikey, I own a car and have been cycling from Hackney to Westminster daily for the past 25 years. I've also done Land's End to John O'Groats so I think I'm qualified to comment. I agree with a lot of what you say about cycling and car drivers. I do however, take issue with a few aspects of your cycling. I know my rights on the road, but I also have consideration for other road users and that means not holding them up unnecessarily. Not using a cycle lane when one is there seems stupid, so I have some sympathy with car drivers who comment to you about this. I know some of them are stupidly designed, but they are still better than being with cars. Also your road position just looks wrong - you are far too far away from the kerb. I would feel vulnerable and more likely to be hit by a vehicle in that position. I know what the Highway Code says but from my experience being closer to the kerb is safer and more sensible. It would also reduce the number of videos you would have to post on YouTube. Just my opinion, but its borne out of years of experience and tens of thousands of miles on London's roads, without any major accidents. Safe cycling! Mark
You're aware that riding well out of the gutter is cycle training, right? If you hold right in the kerb, you're substantially increasing both the risk to yourself and increasing the number of close passes you'll get. In the video in this article, for example, you'll risk being knocked off as drivers attempt to pass in the pinch points, and when you do have a close pass you have nowhere to go to get out of their way.

As for your suggestion to use this cycle lane - that casts strong doubt on your credentials as a cyclist to me. I made a video showing me using this cycle lane just a few days ago, and it's even worse than I thought. The fact that the vast majority of cyclists don't use it either also is not very positive for the credibility of your position.

Essentially, your comments run in direct contradiction to official National Standards cycle training. They run contrary to advice from Cyclecraft, published by the govt. stationery office, RoSPA, advice from the Institute of Advanced Motorists, and TfL too.

The solution is very simple - Robert should not have tried to overtake at a pinch point, just as is advised in the Highway Code.
[quote][p][bold]wombat124[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cycling_Mikey[/bold] wrote: Recumbents are at least as safe as normal bicycles, and I think rather a little bit safer, based on the 50,000 London cycling miles I have, of which about 40,000 are on recumbents. Cycling in the UK is generally safe - regular cyclists have two years more life expectancy than the general population on average. Cycling is safer than not cycling. What is not so nice is the minority of drivers who drive poorly around cyclists and have no problem intimidating them. To be fair, the majority of drivers, cyclists and pedestrians are perfectly decent. I think my videos cover interactions between 1 in 1000-5000 motorists/cyclists/p edestrians. It's not hard to imagine how bad a 1 in 5000 can be, generally. I'm simply one of thousands of YouTubing camera cyclists, and I think there are well over 100,000 online videos from cycle camera users now. It's also very evident that few drivers take well to the idea that their driving can be criticised in this manner.[/p][/quote]Mikey, I own a car and have been cycling from Hackney to Westminster daily for the past 25 years. I've also done Land's End to John O'Groats so I think I'm qualified to comment. I agree with a lot of what you say about cycling and car drivers. I do however, take issue with a few aspects of your cycling. I know my rights on the road, but I also have consideration for other road users and that means not holding them up unnecessarily. Not using a cycle lane when one is there seems stupid, so I have some sympathy with car drivers who comment to you about this. I know some of them are stupidly designed, but they are still better than being with cars. Also your road position just looks wrong - you are far too far away from the kerb. I would feel vulnerable and more likely to be hit by a vehicle in that position. I know what the Highway Code says but from my experience being closer to the kerb is safer and more sensible. It would also reduce the number of videos you would have to post on YouTube. Just my opinion, but its borne out of years of experience and tens of thousands of miles on London's roads, without any major accidents. Safe cycling! Mark[/p][/quote]You're aware that riding well out of the gutter is cycle training, right? If you hold right in the kerb, you're substantially increasing both the risk to yourself and increasing the number of close passes you'll get. In the video in this article, for example, you'll risk being knocked off as drivers attempt to pass in the pinch points, and when you do have a close pass you have nowhere to go to get out of their way. As for your suggestion to use this cycle lane - that casts strong doubt on your credentials as a cyclist to me. I made a video showing me using this cycle lane just a few days ago, and it's even worse than I thought. The fact that the vast majority of cyclists don't use it either also is not very positive for the credibility of your position. Essentially, your comments run in direct contradiction to official National Standards cycle training. They run contrary to advice from Cyclecraft, published by the govt. stationery office, RoSPA, advice from the Institute of Advanced Motorists, and TfL too. The solution is very simple - Robert should not have tried to overtake at a pinch point, just as is advised in the Highway Code. Cycling_Mikey
  • Score: 6

1:26pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Cycling_Mikey says...

Oh, and please explain why I should lose 2 minutes and increase the danger to myself by using that cycle path, just so that Robert can gain 2 seconds when he is behind me and doesn't have priority? He lost more than 2 seconds to give his misguided lecture anyway.

How is that consideration?
Oh, and please explain why I should lose 2 minutes and increase the danger to myself by using that cycle path, just so that Robert can gain 2 seconds when he is behind me and doesn't have priority? He lost more than 2 seconds to give his misguided lecture anyway. How is that consideration? Cycling_Mikey
  • Score: 5

5:41pm Thu 3 Apr 14

saintly-jim says...

Roshie- How can you justify your position that recumbents are unsafe? They are rare but whenever I've encountered them I've had no problem seeing them when out driving.

They can go faster- maybe able to keep up with 30mph traffic in good conditions- and if you crash you're closer to the ground. How is that unsafe?
Roshie- How can you justify your position that recumbents are unsafe? They are rare but whenever I've encountered them I've had no problem seeing them when out driving. They can go faster- maybe able to keep up with 30mph traffic in good conditions- and if you crash you're closer to the ground. How is that unsafe? saintly-jim
  • Score: 8

8:13pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Ferdy54 says...

For the pro cyclists. How about this?

Queensland in Australia have now introduced rules that in roads that have a 60kmh (37mph) speed limit, cars must leave a gap of 1 metre when overtaking a cyclist. In roads with speed limits faster then that they must leave a 1 1/2 metre gap.However, people over there already think its unenforceable, even the police.

Would you like those rules here?
For the pro cyclists. How about this? Queensland in Australia have now introduced rules that in roads that have a 60kmh (37mph) speed limit, cars must leave a gap of 1 metre when overtaking a cyclist. In roads with speed limits faster then that they must leave a 1 1/2 metre gap.However, people over there already think its unenforceable, even the police. Would you like those rules here? Ferdy54
  • Score: 1

11:25pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Terrance62 says...

I would not normally comment. However this cyclist believes that endangering others in perfectly OK. If you look at the two overtaking maneuvers he congratulates at the beginning of the video he has clearly forced traffic completely onto the other side carriageway. Any elderly person or child is highly unlikely to be looking for traffic on the wrong side of the road, yet this individual thinks his actions are acceptable. If you view some of his other You Tube videos he regularly forces cars into the wrong side of the road, whilst he jumps traffic lights and commits other road traffic offences. I do hope one day the police catch up with him and advise him of his responsibilities before his actions are responsible for an injury or worse.
I would not normally comment. However this cyclist believes that endangering others in perfectly OK. If you look at the two overtaking maneuvers he congratulates at the beginning of the video he has clearly forced traffic completely onto the other side carriageway. Any elderly person or child is highly unlikely to be looking for traffic on the wrong side of the road, yet this individual thinks his actions are acceptable. If you view some of his other You Tube videos he regularly forces cars into the wrong side of the road, whilst he jumps traffic lights and commits other road traffic offences. I do hope one day the police catch up with him and advise him of his responsibilities before his actions are responsible for an injury or worse. Terrance62
  • Score: -16

7:56am Fri 4 Apr 14

saintly-jim says...

Terrance62 wrote:
I would not normally comment. However this cyclist believes that endangering others in perfectly OK. If you look at the two overtaking maneuvers he congratulates at the beginning of the video he has clearly forced traffic completely onto the other side carriageway. Any elderly person or child is highly unlikely to be looking for traffic on the wrong side of the road, yet this individual thinks his actions are acceptable. If you view some of his other You Tube videos he regularly forces cars into the wrong side of the road, whilst he jumps traffic lights and commits other road traffic offences. I do hope one day the police catch up with him and advise him of his responsibilities before his actions are responsible for an injury or worse.
But if you're overtaking you're supposed to use the other side of the road! And I've seen plenty of Mikey's videos... He does NOT jump red lights.
[quote][p][bold]Terrance62[/bold] wrote: I would not normally comment. However this cyclist believes that endangering others in perfectly OK. If you look at the two overtaking maneuvers he congratulates at the beginning of the video he has clearly forced traffic completely onto the other side carriageway. Any elderly person or child is highly unlikely to be looking for traffic on the wrong side of the road, yet this individual thinks his actions are acceptable. If you view some of his other You Tube videos he regularly forces cars into the wrong side of the road, whilst he jumps traffic lights and commits other road traffic offences. I do hope one day the police catch up with him and advise him of his responsibilities before his actions are responsible for an injury or worse.[/p][/quote]But if you're overtaking you're supposed to use the other side of the road! And I've seen plenty of Mikey's videos... He does NOT jump red lights. saintly-jim
  • Score: 10

8:29am Fri 4 Apr 14

PeterM says...

Terrance62 wrote:
I would not normally comment. However this cyclist believes that endangering others in perfectly OK. If you look at the two overtaking maneuvers he congratulates at the beginning of the video he has clearly forced traffic completely onto the other side carriageway. Any elderly person or child is highly unlikely to be looking for traffic on the wrong side of the road, yet this individual thinks his actions are acceptable. If you view some of his other You Tube videos he regularly forces cars into the wrong side of the road, whilst he jumps traffic lights and commits other road traffic offences. I do hope one day the police catch up with him and advise him of his responsibilities before his actions are responsible for an injury or worse.
So where do you go if you're in a motor vehicle and want to overtake another motor vehicle? Answer: On the other side of the road.

As for pedestrians crossing the road, use the Green Cross Code. Look right, look left, look right again.
[quote][p][bold]Terrance62[/bold] wrote: I would not normally comment. However this cyclist believes that endangering others in perfectly OK. If you look at the two overtaking maneuvers he congratulates at the beginning of the video he has clearly forced traffic completely onto the other side carriageway. Any elderly person or child is highly unlikely to be looking for traffic on the wrong side of the road, yet this individual thinks his actions are acceptable. If you view some of his other You Tube videos he regularly forces cars into the wrong side of the road, whilst he jumps traffic lights and commits other road traffic offences. I do hope one day the police catch up with him and advise him of his responsibilities before his actions are responsible for an injury or worse.[/p][/quote]So where do you go if you're in a motor vehicle and want to overtake another motor vehicle? Answer: On the other side of the road. As for pedestrians crossing the road, use the Green Cross Code. Look right, look left, look right again. PeterM
  • Score: 11

8:44am Fri 4 Apr 14

Cycling_Mikey says...

Terrance62 wrote:
I would not normally comment. However this cyclist believes that endangering others in perfectly OK. If you look at the two overtaking maneuvers he congratulates at the beginning of the video he has clearly forced traffic completely onto the other side carriageway. Any elderly person or child is highly unlikely to be looking for traffic on the wrong side of the road, yet this individual thinks his actions are acceptable. If you view some of his other You Tube videos he regularly forces cars into the wrong side of the road, whilst he jumps traffic lights and commits other road traffic offences. I do hope one day the police catch up with him and advise him of his responsibilities before his actions are responsible for an injury or worse.
Terrance, I think you may need a driving refresher. You're SUPPOSED to overtake on the other side of the road. Oh, and I stop for red lights and don't commit road traffic offences. Sure, I make some mistakes, but I'd like to think I'm amongst the more considerate and well behaved road users out there.

You should not be overtaking cyclists in the same lane. There's a useful picture on rule 163 of the highway code showing overtakes much like the two good overtakes in the video. If there are pedestrians crossing, would an average driver overtake? Of course not.

The police do look at most of my videos, and they're fine with them. It's the drivers who get issued with warning letters. I didn't report Robert Lewis's video, but had I done so I've no doubt he would have been given a letter with words of advice/education too, since many other drivers doing similar were issued such letters in the past.
[quote][p][bold]Terrance62[/bold] wrote: I would not normally comment. However this cyclist believes that endangering others in perfectly OK. If you look at the two overtaking maneuvers he congratulates at the beginning of the video he has clearly forced traffic completely onto the other side carriageway. Any elderly person or child is highly unlikely to be looking for traffic on the wrong side of the road, yet this individual thinks his actions are acceptable. If you view some of his other You Tube videos he regularly forces cars into the wrong side of the road, whilst he jumps traffic lights and commits other road traffic offences. I do hope one day the police catch up with him and advise him of his responsibilities before his actions are responsible for an injury or worse.[/p][/quote]Terrance, I think you may need a driving refresher. You're SUPPOSED to overtake on the other side of the road. Oh, and I stop for red lights and don't commit road traffic offences. Sure, I make some mistakes, but I'd like to think I'm amongst the more considerate and well behaved road users out there. You should not be overtaking cyclists in the same lane. There's a useful picture on rule 163 of the highway code showing overtakes much like the two good overtakes in the video. If there are pedestrians crossing, would an average driver overtake? Of course not. The police do look at most of my videos, and they're fine with them. It's the drivers who get issued with warning letters. I didn't report Robert Lewis's video, but had I done so I've no doubt he would have been given a letter with words of advice/education too, since many other drivers doing similar were issued such letters in the past. Cycling_Mikey
  • Score: 9

8:52am Fri 4 Apr 14

Cycling_Mikey says...

Oh, and for those of you who might not have noticed the article edit, there's now a statement from the police regarding Lee Concannon's overtake, contradicting his quote that "there was no issues with the overtake".

If you want to see Lee's video for yourself, it's here: LY02EYM
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=A7Y9EOIM
QbM

I'd rate that as one of the poorer and more badly judged overtakes I've experienced, perhaps in the top/worst 30.

A police spokesman said: "We can confirm that officers in our Roadsafe London team was made aware of an incident involving a car and cyclist in Heathfield Road, Bromley, on August 11 2013.

"Officers from the Met's Roadsafe London team viewed footage of the incident and issued the registered keeper words of advice on overtaking vehicles on the road in line with rule 163 of the Highway Code."
Oh, and for those of you who might not have noticed the article edit, there's now a statement from the police regarding Lee Concannon's overtake, contradicting his quote that "there was no issues with the overtake". If you want to see Lee's video for yourself, it's here: LY02EYM https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=A7Y9EOIM QbM I'd rate that as one of the poorer and more badly judged overtakes I've experienced, perhaps in the top/worst 30. A police spokesman said: "We can confirm that officers in our Roadsafe London team was made aware of an incident involving a car and cyclist in Heathfield Road, Bromley, on August 11 2013. "Officers from the Met's Roadsafe London team viewed footage of the incident and issued the registered keeper words of advice on overtaking vehicles on the road in line with rule 163 of the Highway Code." Cycling_Mikey
  • Score: 8

11:13am Fri 4 Apr 14

Toolbox69 says...

Cycling_Mikey wrote:
Oh, and for those of you who might not have noticed the article edit, there's now a statement from the police regarding Lee Concannon's overtake, contradicting his quote that "there was no issues with the overtake".

If you want to see Lee's video for yourself, it's here: LY02EYM
https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=A7Y9EOIM

QbM

I'd rate that as one of the poorer and more badly judged overtakes I've experienced, perhaps in the top/worst 30.

A police spokesman said: "We can confirm that officers in our Roadsafe London team was made aware of an incident involving a car and cyclist in Heathfield Road, Bromley, on August 11 2013.

"Officers from the Met's Roadsafe London team viewed footage of the incident and issued the registered keeper words of advice on overtaking vehicles on the road in line with rule 163 of the Highway Code."
This really pains me to say this as I am NOT a fan of cyclists, but what is this driver doing? Unbelieveable.
[quote][p][bold]Cycling_Mikey[/bold] wrote: Oh, and for those of you who might not have noticed the article edit, there's now a statement from the police regarding Lee Concannon's overtake, contradicting his quote that "there was no issues with the overtake". If you want to see Lee's video for yourself, it's here: LY02EYM https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=A7Y9EOIM QbM I'd rate that as one of the poorer and more badly judged overtakes I've experienced, perhaps in the top/worst 30. A police spokesman said: "We can confirm that officers in our Roadsafe London team was made aware of an incident involving a car and cyclist in Heathfield Road, Bromley, on August 11 2013. "Officers from the Met's Roadsafe London team viewed footage of the incident and issued the registered keeper words of advice on overtaking vehicles on the road in line with rule 163 of the Highway Code."[/p][/quote]This really pains me to say this as I am NOT a fan of cyclists, but what is this driver doing? Unbelieveable. Toolbox69
  • Score: 11

3:15pm Fri 4 Apr 14

Cycling_Mikey says...

Thanks, Toolbox69.

As a cyclist, I don't hate drivers. Most people are very decent on the roads and take a goodly amount of care. A minority are perhaps ignorant of cyclists needs or slightly less careful than they should be, and a tiny fraction of that minority are malicious.

This is what I'm like on my bicycle - just google these phrases to get to the videos:
"The joys of commuting by bicycle cyclingmikey"
"cyclingmikey horses"

I like to think I take as much care towards others as I'd wish for for myself. Most cyclists are good, just like drivers. A minority are not, also just like drivers. We are all the same human beings, and a mode of transport change largely doesn't affect our characters or behaviour.
Thanks, Toolbox69. As a cyclist, I don't hate drivers. Most people are very decent on the roads and take a goodly amount of care. A minority are perhaps ignorant of cyclists needs or slightly less careful than they should be, and a tiny fraction of that minority are malicious. This is what I'm like on my bicycle - just google these phrases to get to the videos: "The joys of commuting by bicycle cyclingmikey" "cyclingmikey horses" I like to think I take as much care towards others as I'd wish for for myself. Most cyclists are good, just like drivers. A minority are not, also just like drivers. We are all the same human beings, and a mode of transport change largely doesn't affect our characters or behaviour. Cycling_Mikey
  • Score: 10

11:52am Mon 7 Apr 14

Make Life says...

I cannot stand cyclists one little bit but this driver was wrong. Also, there was a comment about cyclists should ride closer to the kerb, thats crazy. I remember being at school and doing the cycling test and we was told to cycle away from the kerb to aviod drains, rubbish etc. If today's cyclists were to ride close to the kerb then they would be weaving in and out and it wouldnt be long until one is hit.
I cannot stand cyclists one little bit but this driver was wrong. Also, there was a comment about cyclists should ride closer to the kerb, thats crazy. I remember being at school and doing the cycling test and we was told to cycle away from the kerb to aviod drains, rubbish etc. If today's cyclists were to ride close to the kerb then they would be weaving in and out and it wouldnt be long until one is hit. Make Life
  • Score: 11

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