Bexley Asda shoplifter told security guard 'I will cut your head off'

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A shoplifter told a cage-fighting Bexleyheath security guard he would “cut his head off” after being caught thieving, a court heard.

Hamza Zaki, 23, was spotted stealing a £25 memory stick, which he had hidden in his hood, from Asda, in Graham Road, on June 26 last year.

When security staff stopped him, Zaki, who suffers from schizophrenia, shouted abuse including how he would stab them “so your guts are in the street”, Bromley Magistrates’ Court heard.

Zaki, of Passfield Drive, Tower Hamlets, was given a community penalty for six months at Bromley Magistrates’ Court on March 18 for theft and a public order offence.

He previously admitted the theft and was found guilty of using threatening words to cause harassment, alarm or distress at Greenwich Magistrates’ Court on January 14.

Prosecuting, Jonathan Efemini told the court: “The defendant said ‘get out of my f***ing way.

“You are lucky this is not in the street, otherwise I would have cut your head off.

“I would stab you in the belly so your guts are in the street, I am going to cut your f***ing throat.

“When questioned over the threat of violence, he stated security guards were aggressive.

“When pushed further he said he couldn’t remember this matter.”

Defending Sean Longley, said Zaki was on antipsychotic drugs at the time and side-effects include a loss of memory.

He said: “One of the symptoms is what is called a lack of insight.

“He finds it very difficult to talk about the symptoms of his illness.

“The threats are not anything you would expect to be carried through, but an over-reaction to what he felt was an over-zealous approach.”

He went on to say one security guard was a cage fighter who might not have felt very threatened by the abuse.

Zaki was ordered to attend a structured supervision programme for six months.

He will also have to pay a victim surcharge of £60 and a contribution to court costs of £100.

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7:06pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Simon bald says...

What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned
What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned Simon bald
  • Score: 19

11:18am Sat 22 Mar 14

ksc says...

If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man.
If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man. ksc
  • Score: 53

2:33pm Sat 22 Mar 14

alexianson94 says...

ksc wrote:
If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man.
When I saw his name, I wondered how long it would take before someone commented on his race. Why are people that predictable?
[quote][p][bold]ksc[/bold] wrote: If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man.[/p][/quote]When I saw his name, I wondered how long it would take before someone commented on his race. Why are people that predictable? alexianson94
  • Score: -64

3:27pm Sat 22 Mar 14

ksc says...

alexianson94 wrote:
ksc wrote:
If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man.
When I saw his name, I wondered how long it would take before someone commented on his race. Why are people that predictable?
This is not a comment on his race, it's a comment on the justice system countries other than the UK dish out to thief's and murderers and terrorists and all the other scum that know the best place to go in order to commit those crimes, or are you going to tell me that some Arab countries don't remove the limb's of people who think that stealing is OK,( as long as it's them stealing from someone else and not someone else stealing from them, at which point they would want the full force of the law used against the perpetrator).
[quote][p][bold]alexianson94[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksc[/bold] wrote: If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man.[/p][/quote]When I saw his name, I wondered how long it would take before someone commented on his race. Why are people that predictable?[/p][/quote]This is not a comment on his race, it's a comment on the justice system countries other than the UK dish out to thief's and murderers and terrorists and all the other scum that know the best place to go in order to commit those crimes, or are you going to tell me that some Arab countries don't remove the limb's of people who think that stealing is OK,( as long as it's them stealing from someone else and not someone else stealing from them, at which point they would want the full force of the law used against the perpetrator). ksc
  • Score: 42

4:50pm Sat 22 Mar 14

goldenbroomboy says...

Simon bald wrote:
What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned
Hamza Zaki was found guilty of " using threatening words to cause harassment, alarm or distress", presumably this was a defence to the same, the argument being that whilst such language might upset some people, it would probably not bother a martial arts trained security guard.

Zaki obviously does have some problems, and reading this report it would seem that the bench took the same into account when passing sentence.
[quote][p][bold]Simon bald[/bold] wrote: What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned[/p][/quote]Hamza Zaki was found guilty of " using threatening words to cause harassment, alarm or distress", presumably this was a defence to the same, the argument being that whilst such language might upset some people, it would probably not bother a martial arts trained security guard. Zaki obviously does have some problems, and reading this report it would seem that the bench took the same into account when passing sentence. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: -12

2:27am Sun 23 Mar 14

alexianson94 says...

ksc wrote:
alexianson94 wrote:
ksc wrote:
If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man.
When I saw his name, I wondered how long it would take before someone commented on his race. Why are people that predictable?
This is not a comment on his race, it's a comment on the justice system countries other than the UK dish out to thief's and murderers and terrorists and all the other scum that know the best place to go in order to commit those crimes, or are you going to tell me that some Arab countries don't remove the limb's of people who think that stealing is OK,( as long as it's them stealing from someone else and not someone else stealing from them, at which point they would want the full force of the law used against the perpetrator).
It is a comment on race. I see no reason as to bring where the guy may or may not have been born from. Are we really that egotistical that we need to remind everyone (especially those of other ethnicities) of how merciful we are because we don't dismember schizophrenics who attempt to steal USB sticks worth £25?
[quote][p][bold]ksc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alexianson94[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksc[/bold] wrote: If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man.[/p][/quote]When I saw his name, I wondered how long it would take before someone commented on his race. Why are people that predictable?[/p][/quote]This is not a comment on his race, it's a comment on the justice system countries other than the UK dish out to thief's and murderers and terrorists and all the other scum that know the best place to go in order to commit those crimes, or are you going to tell me that some Arab countries don't remove the limb's of people who think that stealing is OK,( as long as it's them stealing from someone else and not someone else stealing from them, at which point they would want the full force of the law used against the perpetrator).[/p][/quote]It is a comment on race. I see no reason as to bring where the guy may or may not have been born from. Are we really that egotistical that we need to remind everyone (especially those of other ethnicities) of how merciful we are because we don't dismember schizophrenics who attempt to steal USB sticks worth £25? alexianson94
  • Score: -59

12:38pm Sun 23 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

ksc wrote:
If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man.
My exact thoughts. Couldn't have put it better or more politically correct myself.
[quote][p][bold]ksc[/bold] wrote: If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man.[/p][/quote]My exact thoughts. Couldn't have put it better or more politically correct myself. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 40

12:47pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Simon bald says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
Simon bald wrote:
What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned
Hamza Zaki was found guilty of " using threatening words to cause harassment, alarm or distress", presumably this was a defence to the same, the argument being that whilst such language might upset some people, it would probably not bother a martial arts trained security guard.

Zaki obviously does have some problems, and reading this report it would seem that the bench took the same into account when passing sentence.
So mma fighters now take on people with weapons do they?
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon bald[/bold] wrote: What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned[/p][/quote]Hamza Zaki was found guilty of " using threatening words to cause harassment, alarm or distress", presumably this was a defence to the same, the argument being that whilst such language might upset some people, it would probably not bother a martial arts trained security guard. Zaki obviously does have some problems, and reading this report it would seem that the bench took the same into account when passing sentence.[/p][/quote]So mma fighters now take on people with weapons do they? Simon bald
  • Score: 4

2:43pm Sun 23 Mar 14

goldenbroomboy says...

Simon bald wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Simon bald wrote: What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned
Hamza Zaki was found guilty of " using threatening words to cause harassment, alarm or distress", presumably this was a defence to the same, the argument being that whilst such language might upset some people, it would probably not bother a martial arts trained security guard. Zaki obviously does have some problems, and reading this report it would seem that the bench took the same into account when passing sentence.
So mma fighters now take on people with weapons do they?
Hamza Zaki had no weapons. He is a petty thief with mental health issues who made some futile threats. Do you seriously think that he is the first person to make futile threats against a security guard? Do you think that security guards get upset each time somebody is unpleasant to them? Of course not.
[quote][p][bold]Simon bald[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon bald[/bold] wrote: What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned[/p][/quote]Hamza Zaki was found guilty of " using threatening words to cause harassment, alarm or distress", presumably this was a defence to the same, the argument being that whilst such language might upset some people, it would probably not bother a martial arts trained security guard. Zaki obviously does have some problems, and reading this report it would seem that the bench took the same into account when passing sentence.[/p][/quote]So mma fighters now take on people with weapons do they?[/p][/quote]Hamza Zaki had no weapons. He is a petty thief with mental health issues who made some futile threats. Do you seriously think that he is the first person to make futile threats against a security guard? Do you think that security guards get upset each time somebody is unpleasant to them? Of course not. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: -7

6:20pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Simon bald says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
Simon bald wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Simon bald wrote: What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned
Hamza Zaki was found guilty of " using threatening words to cause harassment, alarm or distress", presumably this was a defence to the same, the argument being that whilst such language might upset some people, it would probably not bother a martial arts trained security guard. Zaki obviously does have some problems, and reading this report it would seem that the bench took the same into account when passing sentence.
So mma fighters now take on people with weapons do they?
Hamza Zaki had no weapons. He is a petty thief with mental health issues who made some futile threats. Do you seriously think that he is the first person to make futile threats against a security guard? Do you think that security guards get upset each time somebody is unpleasant to them? Of course not.
Hope you feeling this warm and cosy to this nut job when someone you care about is stabbed by loony tunes
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon bald[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon bald[/bold] wrote: What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned[/p][/quote]Hamza Zaki was found guilty of " using threatening words to cause harassment, alarm or distress", presumably this was a defence to the same, the argument being that whilst such language might upset some people, it would probably not bother a martial arts trained security guard. Zaki obviously does have some problems, and reading this report it would seem that the bench took the same into account when passing sentence.[/p][/quote]So mma fighters now take on people with weapons do they?[/p][/quote]Hamza Zaki had no weapons. He is a petty thief with mental health issues who made some futile threats. Do you seriously think that he is the first person to make futile threats against a security guard? Do you think that security guards get upset each time somebody is unpleasant to them? Of course not.[/p][/quote]Hope you feeling this warm and cosy to this nut job when someone you care about is stabbed by loony tunes Simon bald
  • Score: 16

9:35am Mon 24 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
Simon bald wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Simon bald wrote: What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned
Hamza Zaki was found guilty of " using threatening words to cause harassment, alarm or distress", presumably this was a defence to the same, the argument being that whilst such language might upset some people, it would probably not bother a martial arts trained security guard. Zaki obviously does have some problems, and reading this report it would seem that the bench took the same into account when passing sentence.
So mma fighters now take on people with weapons do they?
Hamza Zaki had no weapons. He is a petty thief with mental health issues who made some futile threats. Do you seriously think that he is the first person to make futile threats against a security guard? Do you think that security guards get upset each time somebody is unpleasant to them? Of course not.
And supposing, just like some other criminals with 'mental health' issues, who's to say that this bloke wouldn't actually go so far as to go and buy a knife and them come back and carry out his promised that to the mma fighter? Is Ok saying on hindsight "but he didn't have a weapon on him at the time." Nor do a lot of other people who are later convicted of murder all because of an altercation where they felt 'slighted' enough to make a return with a dangerous weapon.
What's to say this bloke won't try the same trick and excuse again later on, when he does actually stab somebody? Why take the chance?
He should be seriously kept under some form of supervision or removed altogether f or public safety, preferably to the country of his origin or 'roots'.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon bald[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon bald[/bold] wrote: What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned[/p][/quote]Hamza Zaki was found guilty of " using threatening words to cause harassment, alarm or distress", presumably this was a defence to the same, the argument being that whilst such language might upset some people, it would probably not bother a martial arts trained security guard. Zaki obviously does have some problems, and reading this report it would seem that the bench took the same into account when passing sentence.[/p][/quote]So mma fighters now take on people with weapons do they?[/p][/quote]Hamza Zaki had no weapons. He is a petty thief with mental health issues who made some futile threats. Do you seriously think that he is the first person to make futile threats against a security guard? Do you think that security guards get upset each time somebody is unpleasant to them? Of course not.[/p][/quote]And supposing, just like some other criminals with 'mental health' issues, who's to say that this bloke wouldn't actually go so far as to go and buy a knife and them come back and carry out his promised that to the mma fighter? Is Ok saying on hindsight "but he didn't have a weapon on him at the time." Nor do a lot of other people who are later convicted of murder all because of an altercation where they felt 'slighted' enough to make a return with a dangerous weapon. What's to say this bloke won't try the same trick and excuse again later on, when he does actually stab somebody? Why take the chance? He should be seriously kept under some form of supervision or removed altogether f or public safety, preferably to the country of his origin or 'roots'. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 14

10:01am Mon 24 Mar 14

the wall says...

Simon bald wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Simon bald wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Simon bald wrote: What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned
Hamza Zaki was found guilty of " using threatening words to cause harassment, alarm or distress", presumably this was a defence to the same, the argument being that whilst such language might upset some people, it would probably not bother a martial arts trained security guard. Zaki obviously does have some problems, and reading this report it would seem that the bench took the same into account when passing sentence.
So mma fighters now take on people with weapons do they?
Hamza Zaki had no weapons. He is a petty thief with mental health issues who made some futile threats. Do you seriously think that he is the first person to make futile threats against a security guard? Do you think that security guards get upset each time somebody is unpleasant to them? Of course not.
Hope you feeling this warm and cosy to this nut job when someone you care about is stabbed by loony tunes
Yeah because everyone with mental issues goes on to become a stabbing maniac.
[quote][p][bold]Simon bald[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon bald[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon bald[/bold] wrote: What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned[/p][/quote]Hamza Zaki was found guilty of " using threatening words to cause harassment, alarm or distress", presumably this was a defence to the same, the argument being that whilst such language might upset some people, it would probably not bother a martial arts trained security guard. Zaki obviously does have some problems, and reading this report it would seem that the bench took the same into account when passing sentence.[/p][/quote]So mma fighters now take on people with weapons do they?[/p][/quote]Hamza Zaki had no weapons. He is a petty thief with mental health issues who made some futile threats. Do you seriously think that he is the first person to make futile threats against a security guard? Do you think that security guards get upset each time somebody is unpleasant to them? Of course not.[/p][/quote]Hope you feeling this warm and cosy to this nut job when someone you care about is stabbed by loony tunes[/p][/quote]Yeah because everyone with mental issues goes on to become a stabbing maniac. the wall
  • Score: -30

10:27am Mon 24 Mar 14

highway warrior says...

Bestbaz wrote:
Once again NS get the name of the location wrong, Where is Graham Street in Bexleyheath, Please respond NS.

I agree the justice system is too weak in any cases.
Graham Road - meh I'll let them off that. Seen worse lol

How did the security guard know he had no weapons?? If he stole a memorystick he could have stolen a knife!?!?!

Anyone who steals deserves a tough response, there is no excuse for stealing
[quote][p][bold]Bestbaz[/bold] wrote: Once again NS get the name of the location wrong, Where is Graham Street in Bexleyheath, Please respond NS. I agree the justice system is too weak in any cases.[/p][/quote]Graham Road - meh I'll let them off that. Seen worse lol How did the security guard know he had no weapons?? If he stole a memorystick he could have stolen a knife!?!?! Anyone who steals deserves a tough response, there is no excuse for stealing highway warrior
  • Score: 5

11:33am Mon 24 Mar 14

goldenbroomboy says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Simon bald wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Simon bald wrote: What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned
Hamza Zaki was found guilty of " using threatening words to cause harassment, alarm or distress", presumably this was a defence to the same, the argument being that whilst such language might upset some people, it would probably not bother a martial arts trained security guard. Zaki obviously does have some problems, and reading this report it would seem that the bench took the same into account when passing sentence.
So mma fighters now take on people with weapons do they?
Hamza Zaki had no weapons. He is a petty thief with mental health issues who made some futile threats. Do you seriously think that he is the first person to make futile threats against a security guard? Do you think that security guards get upset each time somebody is unpleasant to them? Of course not.
And supposing, just like some other criminals with 'mental health' issues, who's to say that this bloke wouldn't actually go so far as to go and buy a knife and them come back and carry out his promised that to the mma fighter? Is Ok saying on hindsight "but he didn't have a weapon on him at the time." Nor do a lot of other people who are later convicted of murder all because of an altercation where they felt 'slighted' enough to make a return with a dangerous weapon. What's to say this bloke won't try the same trick and excuse again later on, when he does actually stab somebody? Why take the chance? He should be seriously kept under some form of supervision or removed altogether f or public safety, preferably to the country of his origin or 'roots'.
Don't be ridiculous, he comitted a minor public order offence & will be suitably punished. His offence does not justify life in an institution.

For all we know he may have been born here! FTR there were razor gangs in Larndarn & other cities in the fifties, nothing to do with immigrants just our own native slags-who are no better or desirable than slags from anywhere else.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon bald[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon bald[/bold] wrote: What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned[/p][/quote]Hamza Zaki was found guilty of " using threatening words to cause harassment, alarm or distress", presumably this was a defence to the same, the argument being that whilst such language might upset some people, it would probably not bother a martial arts trained security guard. Zaki obviously does have some problems, and reading this report it would seem that the bench took the same into account when passing sentence.[/p][/quote]So mma fighters now take on people with weapons do they?[/p][/quote]Hamza Zaki had no weapons. He is a petty thief with mental health issues who made some futile threats. Do you seriously think that he is the first person to make futile threats against a security guard? Do you think that security guards get upset each time somebody is unpleasant to them? Of course not.[/p][/quote]And supposing, just like some other criminals with 'mental health' issues, who's to say that this bloke wouldn't actually go so far as to go and buy a knife and them come back and carry out his promised that to the mma fighter? Is Ok saying on hindsight "but he didn't have a weapon on him at the time." Nor do a lot of other people who are later convicted of murder all because of an altercation where they felt 'slighted' enough to make a return with a dangerous weapon. What's to say this bloke won't try the same trick and excuse again later on, when he does actually stab somebody? Why take the chance? He should be seriously kept under some form of supervision or removed altogether f or public safety, preferably to the country of his origin or 'roots'.[/p][/quote]Don't be ridiculous, he comitted a minor public order offence & will be suitably punished. His offence does not justify life in an institution. For all we know he may have been born here! FTR there were razor gangs in Larndarn & other cities in the fifties, nothing to do with immigrants just our own native slags-who are no better or desirable than slags from anywhere else. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: -4

11:39am Mon 24 Mar 14

goldenbroomboy says...

highway warrior wrote:
Bestbaz wrote: Once again NS get the name of the location wrong, Where is Graham Street in Bexleyheath, Please respond NS. I agree the justice system is too weak in any cases.
Graham Road - meh I'll let them off that. Seen worse lol How did the security guard know he had no weapons?? If he stole a memorystick he could have stolen a knife!?!?! Anyone who steals deserves a tough response, there is no excuse for stealing
I have lived in Texas, and in TX petty thefts rate no more than a small fine, there is no court appearance & no criminal record. Texans concentrate on serious criminals rather than minor offenders with mental health issues.
[quote][p][bold]highway warrior[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bestbaz[/bold] wrote: Once again NS get the name of the location wrong, Where is Graham Street in Bexleyheath, Please respond NS. I agree the justice system is too weak in any cases.[/p][/quote]Graham Road - meh I'll let them off that. Seen worse lol How did the security guard know he had no weapons?? If he stole a memorystick he could have stolen a knife!?!?! Anyone who steals deserves a tough response, there is no excuse for stealing[/p][/quote]I have lived in Texas, and in TX petty thefts rate no more than a small fine, there is no court appearance & no criminal record. Texans concentrate on serious criminals rather than minor offenders with mental health issues. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: 0

11:49am Mon 24 Mar 14

kentlad says...

alexianson94 wrote:
ksc wrote:
alexianson94 wrote:
ksc wrote:
If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man.
When I saw his name, I wondered how long it would take before someone commented on his race. Why are people that predictable?
This is not a comment on his race, it's a comment on the justice system countries other than the UK dish out to thief's and murderers and terrorists and all the other scum that know the best place to go in order to commit those crimes, or are you going to tell me that some Arab countries don't remove the limb's of people who think that stealing is OK,( as long as it's them stealing from someone else and not someone else stealing from them, at which point they would want the full force of the law used against the perpetrator).
It is a comment on race. I see no reason as to bring where the guy may or may not have been born from. Are we really that egotistical that we need to remind everyone (especially those of other ethnicities) of how merciful we are because we don't dismember schizophrenics who attempt to steal USB sticks worth £25?
As KSC explained above he was basically outlining how other countries deal with crimes etc...unfortunately its idiots like you who always have to look for something within a phrase or sentence to say 'That’s Racism".
[quote][p][bold]alexianson94[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alexianson94[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksc[/bold] wrote: If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man.[/p][/quote]When I saw his name, I wondered how long it would take before someone commented on his race. Why are people that predictable?[/p][/quote]This is not a comment on his race, it's a comment on the justice system countries other than the UK dish out to thief's and murderers and terrorists and all the other scum that know the best place to go in order to commit those crimes, or are you going to tell me that some Arab countries don't remove the limb's of people who think that stealing is OK,( as long as it's them stealing from someone else and not someone else stealing from them, at which point they would want the full force of the law used against the perpetrator).[/p][/quote]It is a comment on race. I see no reason as to bring where the guy may or may not have been born from. Are we really that egotistical that we need to remind everyone (especially those of other ethnicities) of how merciful we are because we don't dismember schizophrenics who attempt to steal USB sticks worth £25?[/p][/quote]As KSC explained above he was basically outlining how other countries deal with crimes etc...unfortunately its idiots like you who always have to look for something within a phrase or sentence to say 'That’s Racism". kentlad
  • Score: 28

1:12pm Mon 24 Mar 14

the wall says...

kentlad wrote:
alexianson94 wrote:
ksc wrote:
alexianson94 wrote:
ksc wrote:
If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man.
When I saw his name, I wondered how long it would take before someone commented on his race. Why are people that predictable?
This is not a comment on his race, it's a comment on the justice system countries other than the UK dish out to thief's and murderers and terrorists and all the other scum that know the best place to go in order to commit those crimes, or are you going to tell me that some Arab countries don't remove the limb's of people who think that stealing is OK,( as long as it's them stealing from someone else and not someone else stealing from them, at which point they would want the full force of the law used against the perpetrator).
It is a comment on race. I see no reason as to bring where the guy may or may not have been born from. Are we really that egotistical that we need to remind everyone (especially those of other ethnicities) of how merciful we are because we don't dismember schizophrenics who attempt to steal USB sticks worth £25?
As KSC explained above he was basically outlining how other countries deal with crimes etc...unfortunately its idiots like you who always have to look for something within a phrase or sentence to say 'That’s Racism".
Then he can go and live in one of these other countries and see how he gets on.
[quote][p][bold]kentlad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alexianson94[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alexianson94[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksc[/bold] wrote: If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man.[/p][/quote]When I saw his name, I wondered how long it would take before someone commented on his race. Why are people that predictable?[/p][/quote]This is not a comment on his race, it's a comment on the justice system countries other than the UK dish out to thief's and murderers and terrorists and all the other scum that know the best place to go in order to commit those crimes, or are you going to tell me that some Arab countries don't remove the limb's of people who think that stealing is OK,( as long as it's them stealing from someone else and not someone else stealing from them, at which point they would want the full force of the law used against the perpetrator).[/p][/quote]It is a comment on race. I see no reason as to bring where the guy may or may not have been born from. Are we really that egotistical that we need to remind everyone (especially those of other ethnicities) of how merciful we are because we don't dismember schizophrenics who attempt to steal USB sticks worth £25?[/p][/quote]As KSC explained above he was basically outlining how other countries deal with crimes etc...unfortunately its idiots like you who always have to look for something within a phrase or sentence to say 'That’s Racism".[/p][/quote]Then he can go and live in one of these other countries and see how he gets on. the wall
  • Score: -25

10:02am Tue 25 Mar 14

goldenbroomboy says...

FTR I use the slang word "slag" in it's traditional sense, that of a contemptible person. The modern usage of the same to describe a female who is easy with her favours is not in my vocabulary any more than is "wicked" meaning something good.
FTR I use the slang word "slag" in it's traditional sense, that of a contemptible person. The modern usage of the same to describe a female who is easy with her favours is not in my vocabulary any more than is "wicked" meaning something good. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: -1

2:15pm Tue 25 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
FTR I use the slang word "slag" in it's traditional sense, that of a contemptible person. The modern usage of the same to describe a female who is easy with her favours is not in my vocabulary any more than is "wicked" meaning something good.
Slag - in the traditional sense means - in the noun sense - stony waste matter separated from metals during the smelting or refining of ore. Verb - criticize someone in an abusive or insulting manner.
As I said, most gangs were east end, no doubt from jewish immigrant women forebearers, same with a lot of white girls taking up with immigrants over here today, your comment is still insulting, or could be construed as racist by some!
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: FTR I use the slang word "slag" in it's traditional sense, that of a contemptible person. The modern usage of the same to describe a female who is easy with her favours is not in my vocabulary any more than is "wicked" meaning something good.[/p][/quote]Slag - in the traditional sense means - in the noun sense - stony waste matter separated from metals during the smelting or refining of ore. Verb - criticize someone in an abusive or insulting manner. As I said, most gangs were east end, no doubt from jewish immigrant women forebearers, same with a lot of white girls taking up with immigrants over here today, your comment is still insulting, or could be construed as racist by some! sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 25

5:41pm Tue 25 Mar 14

goldenbroomboy says...

I fail to see how writing that home grown low lifes are no better than foriegn low lifes can be construed as racist.

Anyway I thought that you had written your last words on this subject?p
I fail to see how writing that home grown low lifes are no better than foriegn low lifes can be construed as racist. Anyway I thought that you had written your last words on this subject?p goldenbroomboy
  • Score: 6

2:16am Wed 26 Mar 14

alexianson94 says...

the wall wrote:
kentlad wrote:
alexianson94 wrote:
ksc wrote:
alexianson94 wrote:
ksc wrote:
If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man.
When I saw his name, I wondered how long it would take before someone commented on his race. Why are people that predictable?
This is not a comment on his race, it's a comment on the justice system countries other than the UK dish out to thief's and murderers and terrorists and all the other scum that know the best place to go in order to commit those crimes, or are you going to tell me that some Arab countries don't remove the limb's of people who think that stealing is OK,( as long as it's them stealing from someone else and not someone else stealing from them, at which point they would want the full force of the law used against the perpetrator).
It is a comment on race. I see no reason as to bring where the guy may or may not have been born from. Are we really that egotistical that we need to remind everyone (especially those of other ethnicities) of how merciful we are because we don't dismember schizophrenics who attempt to steal USB sticks worth £25?
As KSC explained above he was basically outlining how other countries deal with crimes etc...unfortunately its idiots like you who always have to look for something within a phrase or sentence to say 'That’s Racism".
Then he can go and live in one of these other countries and see how he gets on.
If you read carefully, I never made the claim that his ancestral origins do not have some questionable methods of dealing with certain situations. Sometimes they can be quite extreme. Nevertheless, it seems that no one actually knows what the country he is based from actually is, so we're just talking about the Middle East like it's all just one big country... like people do with Africa.

What I have an issue with, is why it was even necessary to bring his "ancestral home land" in the first place. The guy hasn't been described... everyone is basing their entire view on a name. It's ridicules. You never know, his family may have been here for generations, yet the first thing you think about is to remind them just how lucky they are they're in such a merciful land instead of the intensely barbaric one they originated from.

Admittedly, my longing of intellectual conversations on news articles is always in vain as it's immediately crushed by the button pushy title, and the low brow comments people are oh so eager to post. I think I am wasting my time here.
[quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kentlad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alexianson94[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alexianson94[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksc[/bold] wrote: If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man.[/p][/quote]When I saw his name, I wondered how long it would take before someone commented on his race. Why are people that predictable?[/p][/quote]This is not a comment on his race, it's a comment on the justice system countries other than the UK dish out to thief's and murderers and terrorists and all the other scum that know the best place to go in order to commit those crimes, or are you going to tell me that some Arab countries don't remove the limb's of people who think that stealing is OK,( as long as it's them stealing from someone else and not someone else stealing from them, at which point they would want the full force of the law used against the perpetrator).[/p][/quote]It is a comment on race. I see no reason as to bring where the guy may or may not have been born from. Are we really that egotistical that we need to remind everyone (especially those of other ethnicities) of how merciful we are because we don't dismember schizophrenics who attempt to steal USB sticks worth £25?[/p][/quote]As KSC explained above he was basically outlining how other countries deal with crimes etc...unfortunately its idiots like you who always have to look for something within a phrase or sentence to say 'That’s Racism".[/p][/quote]Then he can go and live in one of these other countries and see how he gets on.[/p][/quote]If you read carefully, I never made the claim that his ancestral origins do not have some questionable methods of dealing with certain situations. Sometimes they can be quite extreme. Nevertheless, it seems that no one actually knows what the country he is based from actually is, so we're just talking about the Middle East like it's all just one big country... like people do with Africa. What I have an issue with, is why it was even necessary to bring his "ancestral home land" in the first place. The guy hasn't been described... everyone is basing their entire view on a name. It's ridicules. You never know, his family may have been here for generations, yet the first thing you think about is to remind them just how lucky they are they're in such a merciful land instead of the intensely barbaric one they originated from. Admittedly, my longing of intellectual conversations on news articles is always in vain as it's immediately crushed by the button pushy title, and the low brow comments people are oh so eager to post. I think I am wasting my time here. alexianson94
  • Score: -39

8:44am Wed 26 Mar 14

kentlad says...

alexianson94 wrote:
the wall wrote:
kentlad wrote:
alexianson94 wrote:
ksc wrote:
alexianson94 wrote:
ksc wrote:
If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man.
When I saw his name, I wondered how long it would take before someone commented on his race. Why are people that predictable?
This is not a comment on his race, it's a comment on the justice system countries other than the UK dish out to thief's and murderers and terrorists and all the other scum that know the best place to go in order to commit those crimes, or are you going to tell me that some Arab countries don't remove the limb's of people who think that stealing is OK,( as long as it's them stealing from someone else and not someone else stealing from them, at which point they would want the full force of the law used against the perpetrator).
It is a comment on race. I see no reason as to bring where the guy may or may not have been born from. Are we really that egotistical that we need to remind everyone (especially those of other ethnicities) of how merciful we are because we don't dismember schizophrenics who attempt to steal USB sticks worth £25?
As KSC explained above he was basically outlining how other countries deal with crimes etc...unfortunately its idiots like you who always have to look for something within a phrase or sentence to say 'That’s Racism".
Then he can go and live in one of these other countries and see how he gets on.
If you read carefully, I never made the claim that his ancestral origins do not have some questionable methods of dealing with certain situations. Sometimes they can be quite extreme. Nevertheless, it seems that no one actually knows what the country he is based from actually is, so we're just talking about the Middle East like it's all just one big country... like people do with Africa.

What I have an issue with, is why it was even necessary to bring his "ancestral home land" in the first place. The guy hasn't been described... everyone is basing their entire view on a name. It's ridicules. You never know, his family may have been here for generations, yet the first thing you think about is to remind them just how lucky they are they're in such a merciful land instead of the intensely barbaric one they originated from.

Admittedly, my longing of intellectual conversations on news articles is always in vain as it's immediately crushed by the button pushy title, and the low brow comments people are oh so eager to post. I think I am wasting my time here.
No doubt he will try and use the race card too saying the security guard was only watching him because he is black!
[quote][p][bold]alexianson94[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kentlad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alexianson94[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alexianson94[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ksc[/bold] wrote: If this guy was in his ancestral home land, it would have been him who would have ended up headless, or handless or both, you lucky man.[/p][/quote]When I saw his name, I wondered how long it would take before someone commented on his race. Why are people that predictable?[/p][/quote]This is not a comment on his race, it's a comment on the justice system countries other than the UK dish out to thief's and murderers and terrorists and all the other scum that know the best place to go in order to commit those crimes, or are you going to tell me that some Arab countries don't remove the limb's of people who think that stealing is OK,( as long as it's them stealing from someone else and not someone else stealing from them, at which point they would want the full force of the law used against the perpetrator).[/p][/quote]It is a comment on race. I see no reason as to bring where the guy may or may not have been born from. Are we really that egotistical that we need to remind everyone (especially those of other ethnicities) of how merciful we are because we don't dismember schizophrenics who attempt to steal USB sticks worth £25?[/p][/quote]As KSC explained above he was basically outlining how other countries deal with crimes etc...unfortunately its idiots like you who always have to look for something within a phrase or sentence to say 'That’s Racism".[/p][/quote]Then he can go and live in one of these other countries and see how he gets on.[/p][/quote]If you read carefully, I never made the claim that his ancestral origins do not have some questionable methods of dealing with certain situations. Sometimes they can be quite extreme. Nevertheless, it seems that no one actually knows what the country he is based from actually is, so we're just talking about the Middle East like it's all just one big country... like people do with Africa. What I have an issue with, is why it was even necessary to bring his "ancestral home land" in the first place. The guy hasn't been described... everyone is basing their entire view on a name. It's ridicules. You never know, his family may have been here for generations, yet the first thing you think about is to remind them just how lucky they are they're in such a merciful land instead of the intensely barbaric one they originated from. Admittedly, my longing of intellectual conversations on news articles is always in vain as it's immediately crushed by the button pushy title, and the low brow comments people are oh so eager to post. I think I am wasting my time here.[/p][/quote]No doubt he will try and use the race card too saying the security guard was only watching him because he is black! kentlad
  • Score: 20

1:45pm Wed 26 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
sarfflondonbird wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Simon bald wrote:
goldenbroomboy wrote:
Simon bald wrote: What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned
Hamza Zaki was found guilty of " using threatening words to cause harassment, alarm or distress", presumably this was a defence to the same, the argument being that whilst such language might upset some people, it would probably not bother a martial arts trained security guard. Zaki obviously does have some problems, and reading this report it would seem that the bench took the same into account when passing sentence.
So mma fighters now take on people with weapons do they?
Hamza Zaki had no weapons. He is a petty thief with mental health issues who made some futile threats. Do you seriously think that he is the first person to make futile threats against a security guard? Do you think that security guards get upset each time somebody is unpleasant to them? Of course not.
And supposing, just like some other criminals with 'mental health' issues, who's to say that this bloke wouldn't actually go so far as to go and buy a knife and them come back and carry out his promised that to the mma fighter? Is Ok saying on hindsight "but he didn't have a weapon on him at the time." Nor do a lot of other people who are later convicted of murder all because of an altercation where they felt 'slighted' enough to make a return with a dangerous weapon. What's to say this bloke won't try the same trick and excuse again later on, when he does actually stab somebody? Why take the chance? He should be seriously kept under some form of supervision or removed altogether f or public safety, preferably to the country of his origin or 'roots'.
Don't be ridiculous, he comitted a minor public order offence & will be suitably punished. His offence does not justify life in an institution.

For all we know he may have been born here! FTR there were razor gangs in Larndarn & other cities in the fifties, nothing to do with immigrants just our own native slags-who are no better or desirable than slags from anywhere else.
Was my comment too near the truth in response to this remark about razor gangs and slags that it had to be removed? One sided as per usual.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon bald[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simon bald[/bold] wrote: What does the guard being into MMA have to do with this story. If he was into racing pigeons in his spare time his free time activities would never been mentioned[/p][/quote]Hamza Zaki was found guilty of " using threatening words to cause harassment, alarm or distress", presumably this was a defence to the same, the argument being that whilst such language might upset some people, it would probably not bother a martial arts trained security guard. Zaki obviously does have some problems, and reading this report it would seem that the bench took the same into account when passing sentence.[/p][/quote]So mma fighters now take on people with weapons do they?[/p][/quote]Hamza Zaki had no weapons. He is a petty thief with mental health issues who made some futile threats. Do you seriously think that he is the first person to make futile threats against a security guard? Do you think that security guards get upset each time somebody is unpleasant to them? Of course not.[/p][/quote]And supposing, just like some other criminals with 'mental health' issues, who's to say that this bloke wouldn't actually go so far as to go and buy a knife and them come back and carry out his promised that to the mma fighter? Is Ok saying on hindsight "but he didn't have a weapon on him at the time." Nor do a lot of other people who are later convicted of murder all because of an altercation where they felt 'slighted' enough to make a return with a dangerous weapon. What's to say this bloke won't try the same trick and excuse again later on, when he does actually stab somebody? Why take the chance? He should be seriously kept under some form of supervision or removed altogether f or public safety, preferably to the country of his origin or 'roots'.[/p][/quote]Don't be ridiculous, he comitted a minor public order offence & will be suitably punished. His offence does not justify life in an institution. For all we know he may have been born here! FTR there were razor gangs in Larndarn & other cities in the fifties, nothing to do with immigrants just our own native slags-who are no better or desirable than slags from anywhere else.[/p][/quote]Was my comment too near the truth in response to this remark about razor gangs and slags that it had to be removed? One sided as per usual. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 56

8:59pm Wed 26 Mar 14

kevint1972 says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
I fail to see how writing that home grown low lifes are no better than foriegn low lifes can be construed as racist.

Anyway I thought that you had written your last words on this subject?p
We're stuck with homegrown low lifes though, aren't we? I fail to see why we need to import more.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: I fail to see how writing that home grown low lifes are no better than foriegn low lifes can be construed as racist. Anyway I thought that you had written your last words on this subject?p[/p][/quote]We're stuck with homegrown low lifes though, aren't we? I fail to see why we need to import more. kevint1972
  • Score: 25

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