VIDEO: Watch pole-dance display at Crockenhill Primary School fete branded 'sleazy' for involving girls as young as 4

News Shopper: The two 12-year-old girls who were part of the performance. The two 12-year-old girls who were part of the performance.

A dance school owner has defended her decision to let four young girls pole dance at a school fete and called the outrage "ridiculous".

Cat Ledbetter, 30, who owns Revolutions Pole Academy based in Hextable, was part of a an eight minute display which took place at the Crockenhill Primary School fete on Saturday.

One parent has reportedly said "lots of people were upset" and left the performance but has refused to be named and Miss Ledbetter told News Shopper the school has not received any official complaints.

Mother-of-one Miss Ledbetter, of Cray Road, Crockenhill, who has been a teacher for seven years, said: "It was a great fair and a lovely atmosphere, it's now got a negative shadow over it.

"The so-called complaint is a bit ridiculous really. People have mixed views and I am not saying what we do is for everyone.

"There were four students in this performance aged between four and twelve and two adults, myself and another girl dressed as a warthog and meerkat and we performed to the Lion King.

"I was really surprised when I heard about this because we never had complaints from parents at the fair and we had lots of helpers.

"The children involved are upset because they think they have done something wrong.

"Two of the girls were wearing shorts which was the clothing appropriate to the activity and the other girls were wearing leggings."

Miss Ledbetter did a solo performance to Let it Go from Disney movie Frozen and a 12-year-old also performed to Holding Out for a Hero by Bonnie Tyler.

The children who took part attend aerial gym sessions at the studio in Egerton Avenue and practice on five pieces of apparatus- a metal pole, trapeze, aerial stilts, rope ladders, long pieces of fabric and a hoop.

Miss Ledbetter added: "I am very proud of the children and they have been made to feel that the have something wrong,

"We are not like a gymnastics club, we are all about teaching confidence, exercise and keeping fit."

Shaun Welch, 43, from Crockenhill, who is the father of Jessica, 12, who took part in the performance, said: "I don't see anything wrong with what the girls were doing. 

"My daughter is hardly going to Stringfellows to perform. 

"She used to want to be a professional gymnast and trained 30 hours a week but it got too much. 

"She decided to do this with her friends, it's a great way for the girls to keep fit." 

Anne Castell, a mum of one of the girls in the performance, said on Facebook: "Sleazy and I inappropriately dressed??!!

"How dare that man discuss my 11year old daughter in that way.

"So leggings and an off the shoulder t-shirt are no longer deemed as acceptable public dress? Seriously what era is this man from?"

Sarah Warshow, headteacher of the school, added: "The Crockenhill School Association has a history of inviting organisations with an association with the school or the wider village community to perform at our fairs.

"We try and put on entertainment that's free of charge for anyone who wants to have a go and at this event had a number of circus skill-themed, gymnastic activities, of which pole fitness was one, along with the hoop, diabolo and plate spinning.

"The performance was Disney-themed, featuring costumes based on the Lion King and Frozen.

"All of this was entirely appropriate for young children and families.

"Circus skills are becoming more and more popular in our community and the Revolutions group is a well-attended fitness and skills class run by a parent at the school."

Were at the performance and would like to comment? Call the newsroom on 01689 885 726 or email melissa.hills@london.newsquest.co.uk

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4:31pm Tue 17 Jun 14

white rabbit9 says...

Look pole dancing is from the sex industry, no one want's to see young girls on poles. What ever happened to may pole dancing?

It's small steps to degrading our morales.
Look pole dancing is from the sex industry, no one want's to see young girls on poles. What ever happened to may pole dancing? It's small steps to degrading our morales. white rabbit9
  • Score: 10

6:08pm Tue 17 Jun 14

goldenbroomboy says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
Look pole dancing is from the sex industry, no one want's to see young girls on poles. What ever happened to may pole dancing?

It's small steps to degrading our morales.
Maypole dancing was traditionally a fertility dance and was performed by young adults. It was not considered suitable for kids.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Look pole dancing is from the sex industry, no one want's to see young girls on poles. What ever happened to may pole dancing? It's small steps to degrading our morales.[/p][/quote]Maypole dancing was traditionally a fertility dance and was performed by young adults. It was not considered suitable for kids. goldenbroomboy
  • Score: 22

6:46pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Bevangirl says...

Do 11 year old girls really need to wear 'off the shoulder T-shirts' - surely they have plenty of time to dress like that when they're older?
Do 11 year old girls really need to wear 'off the shoulder T-shirts' - surely they have plenty of time to dress like that when they're older? Bevangirl
  • Score: -46

6:52pm Tue 17 Jun 14

mouthalmighty says...

Seriously. Pole fitness is about that, fitness. Where does the inappropriateness come from. I wish I could hold my self from a pole and look elegant doing so. Some men and women strut to the music to look sexy and gain attention. Does this mean we have to stop walking. Or, choice of cars, do we stop driving? The list is endless.
Seriously. Pole fitness is about that, fitness. Where does the inappropriateness come from. I wish I could hold my self from a pole and look elegant doing so. Some men and women strut to the music to look sexy and gain attention. Does this mean we have to stop walking. Or, choice of cars, do we stop driving? The list is endless. mouthalmighty
  • Score: 28

7:25pm Tue 17 Jun 14

white rabbit9 says...

goldenbroomboy wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
Look pole dancing is from the sex industry, no one want's to see young girls on poles. What ever happened to may pole dancing?

It's small steps to degrading our morales.
Maypole dancing was traditionally a fertility dance and was performed by young adults. It was not considered suitable for kids.
Ha ha ha.........so the pole is the penis! Make's sense.
[quote][p][bold]goldenbroomboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Look pole dancing is from the sex industry, no one want's to see young girls on poles. What ever happened to may pole dancing? It's small steps to degrading our morales.[/p][/quote]Maypole dancing was traditionally a fertility dance and was performed by young adults. It was not considered suitable for kids.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha.........so the pole is the penis! Make's sense. white rabbit9
  • Score: 6

7:30pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Gypo.Joe says...

"There were four students in this performance aged between four and twelve and two adults, myself and another girl dressed as a warthog and meerkat and we performed to the Lion King."


Outrageous !! ( not )
"There were four students in this performance aged between four and twelve and two adults, myself and another girl dressed as a warthog and meerkat and we performed to the Lion King." Outrageous !! ( not ) Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -1

9:13pm Tue 17 Jun 14

white rabbit9 says...

The lion king had a sublminal in it. you could see SEX

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=zdtMTixl
BFI

check out the subliminals in disney films.
The lion king had a sublminal in it. you could see SEX https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=zdtMTixl BFI check out the subliminals in disney films. white rabbit9
  • Score: 9

10:45am Wed 18 Jun 14

Gypo.Joe says...

These morons need to get the F over themselves. What next no ladies high hurdles, gymnastics, sprinting, rhythmic swimming etc etc.

I'm sure the girls involved enjoy what they're doing and its an activity that keeps them off the streets and taking part in something. If you don't like it don't watch it...... what a concept.
These morons need to get the F over themselves. What next no ladies high hurdles, gymnastics, sprinting, rhythmic swimming etc etc. I'm sure the girls involved enjoy what they're doing and its an activity that keeps them off the streets and taking part in something. If you don't like it don't watch it...... what a concept. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 7

12:28pm Wed 18 Jun 14

white rabbit9 says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
These morons need to get the F over themselves. What next no ladies high hurdles, gymnastics, sprinting, rhythmic swimming etc etc.

I'm sure the girls involved enjoy what they're doing and its an activity that keeps them off the streets and taking part in something. If you don't like it don't watch it...... what a concept.
I wish you could apply that logic to my comments.
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: These morons need to get the F over themselves. What next no ladies high hurdles, gymnastics, sprinting, rhythmic swimming etc etc. I'm sure the girls involved enjoy what they're doing and its an activity that keeps them off the streets and taking part in something. If you don't like it don't watch it...... what a concept.[/p][/quote]I wish you could apply that logic to my comments. white rabbit9
  • Score: 10

1:54pm Wed 18 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

I think it's super-sleazy in a school. I sometimes go to pole-dancing clubs, especially when travelling. The girls there (in fact over-18s) wear either a bikini and high heels ....or usually just high heels. It's a massive turn-on (also expensive and frustrating) .....and that's why you go in there and pay the money.... and they make the money.

Both overseas and here, the pole-dancer when finished will then invite guys to go into a private booth, where you pay more money and get a dance from about fix inches away... I wear my close-up work glasses for that. A lap-dance as well, usually.

Then in other countries than the UK, more than a lap-dance takes place - more money paid of course.

Cannot believe it went on a school, with 12-year olds. Just look at the picture, those girls are wearing provocative clothes. There is a big difference between under and over 18.
I think it's super-sleazy in a school. I sometimes go to pole-dancing clubs, especially when travelling. The girls there (in fact over-18s) wear either a bikini and high heels ....or usually just high heels. It's a massive turn-on (also expensive and frustrating) .....and that's why you go in there and pay the money.... and they make the money. Both overseas and here, the pole-dancer when finished will then invite guys to go into a private booth, where you pay more money and get a dance from about fix inches away... I wear my close-up work glasses for that. A lap-dance as well, usually. Then in other countries than the UK, more than a lap-dance takes place - more money paid of course. Cannot believe it went on a school, with 12-year olds. Just look at the picture, those girls are wearing provocative clothes. There is a big difference between under and over 18. marc8888
  • Score: -26

1:59pm Wed 18 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

In fact look at this

http://www.newsshopp
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59.UPDATE__Distresse
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hmmmmmmmmmmm.
In fact look at this http://www.newsshopp er.co.uk/news/112811 59.UPDATE__Distresse d_girl__12____sexual ly_assaulted__in_Plu mstead/?ref=mr hmmmmmmmmmmm. marc8888
  • Score: -21

2:06pm Wed 18 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

I have now looked at the video.... un-friggin-believabl
e... a fusion of Stringfellows and the Lion King. I went to an all-boys school. I think at say 14 that would have totally blown my mind, and other things.
I have now looked at the video.... un-friggin-believabl e... a fusion of Stringfellows and the Lion King. I went to an all-boys school. I think at say 14 that would have totally blown my mind, and other things. marc8888
  • Score: -31

3:01pm Wed 18 Jun 14

white rabbit9 says...

marc8888 wrote:
I have now looked at the video.... un-friggin-believabl

e... a fusion of Stringfellows and the Lion King. I went to an all-boys school. I think at say 14 that would have totally blown my mind, and other things.
If you look at bill boards and coke bottles and anything associated with kids you will find subliminals everywhere, penises, the word sex.
check out youtube, loads of stuff on there to educate yourself.
[quote][p][bold]marc8888[/bold] wrote: I have now looked at the video.... un-friggin-believabl e... a fusion of Stringfellows and the Lion King. I went to an all-boys school. I think at say 14 that would have totally blown my mind, and other things.[/p][/quote]If you look at bill boards and coke bottles and anything associated with kids you will find subliminals everywhere, penises, the word sex. check out youtube, loads of stuff on there to educate yourself. white rabbit9
  • Score: 9

3:10pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Grant2436 says...

I have nothing against teaching kids to pole dance, but I think they should dress appropriately....not Daisy Duke shorts.
Pedophile paradise, I also blame the parents for letting their girls take part wearing next to nothing.
I have nothing against teaching kids to pole dance, but I think they should dress appropriately....not Daisy Duke shorts. Pedophile paradise, I also blame the parents for letting their girls take part wearing next to nothing. Grant2436
  • Score: -17

3:37pm Wed 18 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

Kylie Minogue shorts, actually (the gold ones).... from 'Spinning Around' video. Not that it's etched into my brain. Much. I need to get out more.
Kylie Minogue shorts, actually (the gold ones).... from 'Spinning Around' video. Not that it's etched into my brain. Much. I need to get out more. marc8888
  • Score: -20

3:53pm Wed 18 Jun 14

MsChevious says...

I don't understand why short shorts and a vertical pole is 'outrageous' yet a leotard and horizonal bars is just gymnastics?!

Surely it is about what they're performing and how they're performing it - The Lion King is hardly the same as the sleazy, degrading, frankly harmful entertainment which marc8888 seems to prefer.

These girls are not being taught to titilate or strip, they're being taught gymnastics.
I don't understand why short shorts and a vertical pole is 'outrageous' yet a leotard and horizonal bars is just gymnastics?! Surely it is about what they're performing and how they're performing it - The Lion King is hardly the same as the sleazy, degrading, frankly harmful entertainment which marc8888 seems to prefer. These girls are not being taught to titilate or strip, they're being taught gymnastics. MsChevious
  • Score: 16

3:54pm Wed 18 Jun 14

MsChevious says...

Grant2436 wrote:
I have nothing against teaching kids to pole dance, but I think they should dress appropriately....not Daisy Duke shorts. Pedophile paradise, I also blame the parents for letting their girls take part wearing next to nothing.
Actually you have to wear shorts as it's bare skin which is needed to grip the pole. I don't see how it's any different to swimming, gymnastics or athletics?!
[quote][p][bold]Grant2436[/bold] wrote: I have nothing against teaching kids to pole dance, but I think they should dress appropriately....not Daisy Duke shorts. Pedophile paradise, I also blame the parents for letting their girls take part wearing next to nothing.[/p][/quote]Actually you have to wear shorts as it's bare skin which is needed to grip the pole. I don't see how it's any different to swimming, gymnastics or athletics?! MsChevious
  • Score: 14

4:02pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Gypo.Joe says...

The only people outraged and the Mrs Whitehouse types and as we can see from a few commenters above the dirty mac merchants checking out the camel toe.
The only people outraged and the Mrs Whitehouse types and as we can see from a few commenters above the dirty mac merchants checking out the camel toe. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 4

4:04pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Gypo.Joe says...

sorry typo, 'are' Mrs Whitehouse types, not 'and'.

THAnK yOU
sorry typo, 'are' Mrs Whitehouse types, not 'and'. THAnK yOU Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 1

4:24pm Wed 18 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

Sorry MsChevious... bear in mind that the adult pole-dancing business globally is prob multi-million per year - and goodness knows how many hundreds of thousands of women do it... it's in scenes in loads of films and TV-cop type TV shows ....and is both incredibly sleazy and incredibly accepted..... if you drive through bits of the US, they are littered by the roadside like McDonalds....

So think about that as a whole lifestyle for the dancers and customers... it's VERY different to gymnastics... and its a VERY different atmosphere in there at 11pm to Crystal Palace National Sports Centre on a Saturday afternoon... And what goes on the private booths is nothing that Beth Tweddle would ever do, I'm sure....

Can you imagine the conversation.... businessmen out on the town from their hotel, having been on stand duty at the European Sewage Pump Expo all day. "Hey Mike, what kept you...? Steve tells me there is a REALLY good gymnastics show on at a hot place 10 mins in a cab from here.... there are girls who were in the Olympics and Commonwealth Games ...!!" "Excellent, I'm on for that... they better be wearing modest leotards - and I hope the place does good peppermint tea!"

Yes I am a sleazeball, so are more than 50% of men I reckon... if they are honest about it.... I was in Brighton on Monday, sitting outside various cafes and pubs. Some very distracting sights. Perhaps I should move to Saudi Arabia, even though they all come over to Knightsbridge and fill their boots.
Sorry MsChevious... bear in mind that the adult pole-dancing business globally is prob multi-million per year - and goodness knows how many hundreds of thousands of women do it... it's in scenes in loads of films and TV-cop type TV shows ....and is both incredibly sleazy and incredibly accepted..... if you drive through bits of the US, they are littered by the roadside like McDonalds.... So think about that as a whole lifestyle for the dancers and customers... it's VERY different to gymnastics... and its a VERY different atmosphere in there at 11pm to Crystal Palace National Sports Centre on a Saturday afternoon... And what goes on the private booths is nothing that Beth Tweddle would ever do, I'm sure.... Can you imagine the conversation.... businessmen out on the town from their hotel, having been on stand duty at the European Sewage Pump Expo all day. "Hey Mike, what kept you...? Steve tells me there is a REALLY good gymnastics show on at a hot place 10 mins in a cab from here.... there are girls who were in the Olympics and Commonwealth Games ...!!" "Excellent, I'm on for that... they better be wearing modest leotards - and I hope the place does good peppermint tea!" Yes I am a sleazeball, so are more than 50% of men I reckon... if they are honest about it.... I was in Brighton on Monday, sitting outside various cafes and pubs. Some very distracting sights. Perhaps I should move to Saudi Arabia, even though they all come over to Knightsbridge and fill their boots. marc8888
  • Score: -21

4:30pm Wed 18 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

In fact if our Olympian did do that stuff, she could bill herself as Beth Twiddle - ha ha ha ha..... Tasteless? Moi?
In fact if our Olympian did do that stuff, she could bill herself as Beth Twiddle - ha ha ha ha..... Tasteless? Moi? marc8888
  • Score: -21

5:07pm Wed 18 Jun 14

JenniKicks says...

Like your Marc8888 I have been to strip clubs all over the world and let me tell you only at ONE club have I ever seen a dancer performing the kind of acrobatics seen here. (For reference it was in Barbados and on a recent visit the club was found to be closed down.) There are two reasons you don't see this kind of acrobatics in strip clubs 1) its incredibly strenuous and therefore not sustainable in a club environment 2) men at these clubs don't find it appealing. They'd much rather see a women dry humping the pole or "skinnin out" on the floor in front of them. It seems many people reading this article confused pole dance that takes place in strip clubs with pole fitness which is simply gymnastics with a vertical pole. It requires immense strength and flexibility and burns a hell of a lot more calories than interval training, weights or any other fitness activity I've ever taken part in. In order to grip the chrome/brass/gold pole you need skin. That means leg skin, armpit skin, back and belly skin. The costumes the kids wore were totally appropriate for the activity. Any clothing between you and the pole can end in falls and serious injury. It is a dangerous sport, many girls I train with have broken bones and sustained concussions while practicing. I think it was very bold of the head teacher to welcome these cirque performers to the school knowing there would be one or two that would view this negatively. For reference, it was ONE man that went to the press with this rather than speak to the school about his concerns, there were no other complaints from parents. I think that says much about the individual who sparked this whole fiasco.
Like your Marc8888 I have been to strip clubs all over the world and let me tell you only at ONE club have I ever seen a dancer performing the kind of acrobatics seen here. (For reference it was in Barbados and on a recent visit the club was found to be closed down.) There are two reasons you don't see this kind of acrobatics in strip clubs 1) its incredibly strenuous and therefore not sustainable in a club environment 2) men at these clubs don't find it appealing. They'd much rather see a women dry humping the pole or "skinnin out" on the floor in front of them. It seems many people reading this article confused pole dance that takes place in strip clubs with pole fitness which is simply gymnastics with a vertical pole. It requires immense strength and flexibility and burns a hell of a lot more calories than interval training, weights or any other fitness activity I've ever taken part in. In order to grip the chrome/brass/gold pole you need skin. That means leg skin, armpit skin, back and belly skin. The costumes the kids wore were totally appropriate for the activity. Any clothing between you and the pole can end in falls and serious injury. It is a dangerous sport, many girls I train with have broken bones and sustained concussions while practicing. I think it was very bold of the head teacher to welcome these cirque performers to the school knowing there would be one or two that would view this negatively. For reference, it was ONE man that went to the press with this rather than speak to the school about his concerns, there were no other complaints from parents. I think that says much about the individual who sparked this whole fiasco. JenniKicks
  • Score: 14

5:19pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Gypo.Joe says...

marc8888 you need help boi. Do you get **** at the sight of a ladies bicycle saddle son ?
marc8888 you need help boi. Do you get **** at the sight of a ladies bicycle saddle son ? Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 6

5:19pm Wed 18 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

You go to strip clubs Jenni? Would you like to go to one with me? We could have a private dance or two from the girl we fancy the most...! In fact I've seen both types of dancing... the (in fact) boring dry-humping of the pole.... and some incredibly athletic pole-action, very much like in the video with two girls etc. Man, those adult pole-dance girls have strong thighs, they could crush your neck just like that. What a way to go, eh? ....And for that matter that hoop in the video was much more Moulin Rouge than school gym .......

I'm sorry, I just don't think that pole-dancing and Kylie-style gold lame hotpants and very adult off-the-shoulder tops etc.... have any place in a school ...with 12-year olds doing it. Now maybe some of the 6th-formers..... Aaarrggh....!!! Nurse... the screens, please.....!!
You go to strip clubs Jenni? Would you like to go to one with me? We could have a private dance or two from the girl we fancy the most...! In fact I've seen both types of dancing... the (in fact) boring dry-humping of the pole.... and some incredibly athletic pole-action, very much like in the video with two girls etc. Man, those adult pole-dance girls have strong thighs, they could crush your neck just like that. What a way to go, eh? ....And for that matter that hoop in the video was much more Moulin Rouge than school gym ....... I'm sorry, I just don't think that pole-dancing and Kylie-style gold lame hotpants and very adult off-the-shoulder tops etc.... have any place in a school ...with 12-year olds doing it. Now maybe some of the 6th-formers..... Aaarrggh....!!! Nurse... the screens, please.....!! marc8888
  • Score: -22

5:20pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Gypo.Joe says...

**** = h0rny.

THanK yOU
**** = h0rny. THanK yOU Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -4

8:57pm Wed 18 Jun 14

whatreallyhappenedat... says...

Ok, lets get this strait. I was at the fête so i know what happened.

the performance is not sexual and the only thing dirty about this is the minds of the people who saw it as sexual.

the revolutions hoop and pole dance group did this performance because it was entertaining and was able to share a display of gymnastics.

if you can relate a gymnastics display to strip clubs, then you really need to stop being so dirty and don't view the world as one big **** shoot.

😐
Ok, lets get this strait. I was at the fête so i know what happened. the performance is not sexual and the only thing dirty about this is the minds of the people who saw it as sexual. the revolutions hoop and pole dance group did this performance because it was entertaining and was able to share a display of gymnastics. if you can relate a gymnastics display to strip clubs, then you really need to stop being so dirty and don't view the world as one big **** shoot. 😐 whatreallyhappenedat...
  • Score: 16

9:23pm Wed 18 Jun 14

mouthalmighty says...

I can't believe some of these comments, especially marc888. You seem to be getting off at the sight of babies in shorts. Reel it in.
I can't believe some of these comments, especially marc888. You seem to be getting off at the sight of babies in shorts. Reel it in. mouthalmighty
  • Score: 26

9:53pm Wed 18 Jun 14

flea_in_ear says...

At my convent primary school we had Chritmas parties (we were all girls). On one occasion we had a competition to see who could dance the Twist the best. If that doesn't suggest sex if danced properly, I don't know what does. No one took offence, we all had a lot of fun.

Seems that these children had fun pole dancing. marc888 makes the comment about "adult pole dancing". The point is - it wasn't adult, was it? Look at the young girls involved in gymnastics, the reveal-all lycra clothing. Any difference?
At my convent primary school we had Chritmas parties (we were all girls). On one occasion we had a competition to see who could dance the Twist the best. If that doesn't suggest sex if danced properly, I don't know what does. No one took offence, we all had a lot of fun. Seems that these children had fun pole dancing. marc888 makes the comment about "adult pole dancing". The point is - it wasn't adult, was it? Look at the young girls involved in gymnastics, the reveal-all lycra clothing. Any difference? flea_in_ear
  • Score: 13

9:54pm Wed 18 Jun 14

flea_in_ear says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
Look pole dancing is from the sex industry, no one want's to see young girls on poles. What ever happened to may pole dancing?

It's small steps to degrading our morales.
I know, the waltz was considered daring once.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Look pole dancing is from the sex industry, no one want's to see young girls on poles. What ever happened to may pole dancing? It's small steps to degrading our morales.[/p][/quote]I know, the waltz was considered daring once. flea_in_ear
  • Score: 8

9:56pm Wed 18 Jun 14

flea_in_ear says...

marc8888 wrote:
I think it's super-sleazy in a school. I sometimes go to pole-dancing clubs, especially when travelling. The girls there (in fact over-18s) wear either a bikini and high heels ....or usually just high heels. It's a massive turn-on (also expensive and frustrating) .....and that's why you go in there and pay the money.... and they make the money.

Both overseas and here, the pole-dancer when finished will then invite guys to go into a private booth, where you pay more money and get a dance from about fix inches away... I wear my close-up work glasses for that. A lap-dance as well, usually.

Then in other countries than the UK, more than a lap-dance takes place - more money paid of course.

Cannot believe it went on a school, with 12-year olds. Just look at the picture, those girls are wearing provocative clothes. There is a big difference between under and over 18.
Just how do you make sure those girls are over 18?
[quote][p][bold]marc8888[/bold] wrote: I think it's super-sleazy in a school. I sometimes go to pole-dancing clubs, especially when travelling. The girls there (in fact over-18s) wear either a bikini and high heels ....or usually just high heels. It's a massive turn-on (also expensive and frustrating) .....and that's why you go in there and pay the money.... and they make the money. Both overseas and here, the pole-dancer when finished will then invite guys to go into a private booth, where you pay more money and get a dance from about fix inches away... I wear my close-up work glasses for that. A lap-dance as well, usually. Then in other countries than the UK, more than a lap-dance takes place - more money paid of course. Cannot believe it went on a school, with 12-year olds. Just look at the picture, those girls are wearing provocative clothes. There is a big difference between under and over 18.[/p][/quote]Just how do you make sure those girls are over 18? flea_in_ear
  • Score: 10

11:19pm Wed 18 Jun 14

floyduk says...

marc8888 wrote:
I think it's super-sleazy in a school. I sometimes go to pole-dancing clubs, especially when travelling. The girls there (in fact over-18s) wear either a bikini and high heels ....or usually just high heels. It's a massive turn-on (also expensive and frustrating) .....and that's why you go in there and pay the money.... and they make the money.

Both overseas and here, the pole-dancer when finished will then invite guys to go into a private booth, where you pay more money and get a dance from about fix inches away... I wear my close-up work glasses for that. A lap-dance as well, usually.

Then in other countries than the UK, more than a lap-dance takes place - more money paid of course.

Cannot believe it went on a school, with 12-year olds. Just look at the picture, those girls are wearing provocative clothes. There is a big difference between under and over 18.
The fact that you think it is provocative shows just what sort of mind you have.
You obviously don't realise what an absolute creep you sound...

"I think it's super-sleazy in a school. I sometimes go to pole-dancing clubs, especially when travelling"
[quote][p][bold]marc8888[/bold] wrote: I think it's super-sleazy in a school. I sometimes go to pole-dancing clubs, especially when travelling. The girls there (in fact over-18s) wear either a bikini and high heels ....or usually just high heels. It's a massive turn-on (also expensive and frustrating) .....and that's why you go in there and pay the money.... and they make the money. Both overseas and here, the pole-dancer when finished will then invite guys to go into a private booth, where you pay more money and get a dance from about fix inches away... I wear my close-up work glasses for that. A lap-dance as well, usually. Then in other countries than the UK, more than a lap-dance takes place - more money paid of course. Cannot believe it went on a school, with 12-year olds. Just look at the picture, those girls are wearing provocative clothes. There is a big difference between under and over 18.[/p][/quote]The fact that you think it is provocative shows just what sort of mind you have. You obviously don't realise what an absolute creep you sound... "I think it's super-sleazy in a school. I sometimes go to pole-dancing clubs, especially when travelling" floyduk
  • Score: 20

7:54am Thu 19 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

I am super-sleazy, indeed - and a creep too, I guess. I'm that weird kind of bloke who enjoys the sight of very attractive members of the opposite sex in states of undress. I should probably be chemically castrated for that... Jenni above enjoys going to pole-dancing clubs too, it seems, so I guess that she is sleazy too.

The main problem with those places is the ridiculous amount of money you spend. It's the women there who are in control..... And presumably make ££££, but I know the clubs take a big cut.

Any given day, globally, goodness knows how many men (and a few women) go into strip clubs of some sort. As I said, in parts of the US (and no doubt other countries) they are everywhere. And you should see what goes on in Amsterdam, Hamburg, Prague etc...

Which is why I think that pole dancing - and that hoop... which wouldn't look out of place in an Ibiza club (have never been to one of those places, but there are all kinds of lurid tales) - have no place in the school playground, with 12-year olds in gold hotpants doing stuff on them. I found that video totally spooky, what on earth is the link between the Lion King and pole-dancing? Other than being the Loin King...?
I am super-sleazy, indeed - and a creep too, I guess. I'm that weird kind of bloke who enjoys the sight of very attractive members of the opposite sex in states of undress. I should probably be chemically castrated for that... Jenni above enjoys going to pole-dancing clubs too, it seems, so I guess that she is sleazy too. The main problem with those places is the ridiculous amount of money you spend. It's the women there who are in control..... And presumably make ££££, but I know the clubs take a big cut. Any given day, globally, goodness knows how many men (and a few women) go into strip clubs of some sort. As I said, in parts of the US (and no doubt other countries) they are everywhere. And you should see what goes on in Amsterdam, Hamburg, Prague etc... Which is why I think that pole dancing - and that hoop... which wouldn't look out of place in an Ibiza club (have never been to one of those places, but there are all kinds of lurid tales) - have no place in the school playground, with 12-year olds in gold hotpants doing stuff on them. I found that video totally spooky, what on earth is the link between the Lion King and pole-dancing? Other than being the Loin King...? marc8888
  • Score: -21

11:12am Thu 19 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

Fairy nuff. I think that it boils down to:

People who have never been to a pole-dancing club see it as a form of gymnastics

People who have been to one and seen all the sights that you do there... view it as rather disturbing, when being performed by young girls....

IMHO.
Fairy nuff. I think that it boils down to: People who have never been to a pole-dancing club see it as a form of gymnastics People who have been to one and seen all the sights that you do there... view it as rather disturbing, when being performed by young girls.... IMHO. marc8888
  • Score: -13

12:27pm Thu 19 Jun 14

MsChevious says...

marc8888 wrote:
Fairy nuff. I think that it boils down to: People who have never been to a pole-dancing club see it as a form of gymnastics People who have been to one and seen all the sights that you do there... view it as rather disturbing, when being performed by young girls.... IMHO.
Shockingly sex workers also walk, and talk, and breathe - I assume you think we should stop children doing this too in case they turn you on?

There's a little thing called context, and if you can't appreciate that then perhaps you should remove yourself from society for everyone's safety?
[quote][p][bold]marc8888[/bold] wrote: Fairy nuff. I think that it boils down to: People who have never been to a pole-dancing club see it as a form of gymnastics People who have been to one and seen all the sights that you do there... view it as rather disturbing, when being performed by young girls.... IMHO.[/p][/quote]Shockingly sex workers also walk, and talk, and breathe - I assume you think we should stop children doing this too in case they turn you on? There's a little thing called context, and if you can't appreciate that then perhaps you should remove yourself from society for everyone's safety? MsChevious
  • Score: 11

2:39pm Thu 19 Jun 14

sarfflondonbird says...

MsChevious wrote:
I don't understand why short shorts and a vertical pole is 'outrageous' yet a leotard and horizonal bars is just gymnastics?!

Surely it is about what they're performing and how they're performing it - The Lion King is hardly the same as the sleazy, degrading, frankly harmful entertainment which marc8888 seems to prefer.

These girls are not being taught to titilate or strip, they're being taught gymnastics.
Exactly what I was thinking when reading the post. You don't hear people complain about gymnasts wearing leotards and cavorting over horizontal poles instead of vertical so why take offence at this?
[quote][p][bold]MsChevious[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why short shorts and a vertical pole is 'outrageous' yet a leotard and horizonal bars is just gymnastics?! Surely it is about what they're performing and how they're performing it - The Lion King is hardly the same as the sleazy, degrading, frankly harmful entertainment which marc8888 seems to prefer. These girls are not being taught to titilate or strip, they're being taught gymnastics.[/p][/quote]Exactly what I was thinking when reading the post. You don't hear people complain about gymnasts wearing leotards and cavorting over horizontal poles instead of vertical so why take offence at this? sarfflondonbird
  • Score: 13

3:15pm Thu 19 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

C'mon men there.... please have a go at me too, like the ladies are....! Tell me I'm a sick perv. But I found the juxtaposition of the wholesome Lion King and an activity which I'm guessing started in the places where the lights are low, the beers expensive and only high heels usually worn at the pole.... just weird. Must be just me.

In fact last night I was in a chippy and they had a copy of the Sun.... so I was forced to look at it, of course.... and there was an article, with pic of course, on this very thing. And next do it was one on that idiot who drove his g/f's Polo onto Brands Hatch during a race.... They said that he is being sued for ££££. I've met Jonathan Palmer who owns Brands and other tracks.... and driven my car there a couple of times as part of an event.

Bet you all wanted to know that.
C'mon men there.... please have a go at me too, like the ladies are....! Tell me I'm a sick perv. But I found the juxtaposition of the wholesome Lion King and an activity which I'm guessing started in the places where the lights are low, the beers expensive and only high heels usually worn at the pole.... just weird. Must be just me. In fact last night I was in a chippy and they had a copy of the Sun.... so I was forced to look at it, of course.... and there was an article, with pic of course, on this very thing. And next do it was one on that idiot who drove his g/f's Polo onto Brands Hatch during a race.... They said that he is being sued for ££££. I've met Jonathan Palmer who owns Brands and other tracks.... and driven my car there a couple of times as part of an event. Bet you all wanted to know that. marc8888
  • Score: -12

4:58pm Thu 19 Jun 14

MsChevious says...

marc8888 wrote:
C'mon men there.... please have a go at me too, like the ladies are....! Tell me I'm a sick perv. But I found the juxtaposition of the wholesome Lion King and an activity which I'm guessing started in the places where the lights are low, the beers expensive and only high heels usually worn at the pole.... just weird. Must be just me. In fact last night I was in a chippy and they had a copy of the Sun.... so I was forced to look at it, of course.... and there was an article, with pic of course, on this very thing. And next do it was one on that idiot who drove his g/f's Polo onto Brands Hatch during a race.... They said that he is being sued for ££££. I've met Jonathan Palmer who owns Brands and other tracks.... and driven my car there a couple of times as part of an event. Bet you all wanted to know that.
Actually I think you'll find it originated a good few hundred years ago as mallakhamba. Just because it's been adopted by sex entertainment ventures doesn't mean they invented it.

Perhaps you could spend some of your spare time getting an education rather than leering?
[quote][p][bold]marc8888[/bold] wrote: C'mon men there.... please have a go at me too, like the ladies are....! Tell me I'm a sick perv. But I found the juxtaposition of the wholesome Lion King and an activity which I'm guessing started in the places where the lights are low, the beers expensive and only high heels usually worn at the pole.... just weird. Must be just me. In fact last night I was in a chippy and they had a copy of the Sun.... so I was forced to look at it, of course.... and there was an article, with pic of course, on this very thing. And next do it was one on that idiot who drove his g/f's Polo onto Brands Hatch during a race.... They said that he is being sued for ££££. I've met Jonathan Palmer who owns Brands and other tracks.... and driven my car there a couple of times as part of an event. Bet you all wanted to know that.[/p][/quote]Actually I think you'll find it originated a good few hundred years ago as mallakhamba. Just because it's been adopted by sex entertainment ventures doesn't mean they invented it. Perhaps you could spend some of your spare time getting an education rather than leering? MsChevious
  • Score: 12

5:00pm Thu 19 Jun 14

MsChevious says...

Just one more thought as well - while I appreciate the concern about sexualising children in terms of what they wear, I can't help but think that if *you* have sexual thoughts when you look at a child wearing shorts then perhaps *you* are the one with a problem?!
Just one more thought as well - while I appreciate the concern about sexualising children in terms of what they wear, I can't help but think that if *you* have sexual thoughts when you look at a child wearing shorts then perhaps *you* are the one with a problem?! MsChevious
  • Score: 13

5:05pm Thu 19 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

Well I had never heard of mallakhamba.... just looked it up. I used to skive out of gym at school if I could, so not my kind of thing. But looks skillful.

So that has been an education, thanks.

But sitting outside a Brighton pub (or anywhere else) on a hot day and leering is quite good fun, too. That's what mirrored sunglasses are made for, apart from making me look phenomenally cool of course... (??)

Still waiting for some more men to pitch in here. Maybe they are all wasting their money in the many branches of Spearmint Rhino .... there is even one on a grotty bit of the A4 near Heathrow.... classy.
Well I had never heard of mallakhamba.... just looked it up. I used to skive out of gym at school if I could, so not my kind of thing. But looks skillful. So that has been an education, thanks. But sitting outside a Brighton pub (or anywhere else) on a hot day and leering is quite good fun, too. That's what mirrored sunglasses are made for, apart from making me look phenomenally cool of course... (??) Still waiting for some more men to pitch in here. Maybe they are all wasting their money in the many branches of Spearmint Rhino .... there is even one on a grotty bit of the A4 near Heathrow.... classy. marc8888
  • Score: -9

5:36pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Gypo.Joe says...

I just hope for your sake marc8888 one of these young girls fathers doesn't catch you leering at them. Its a primary school fete FFS, not the sausage jockeys you go to look at.

Now behave sonny.
I just hope for your sake marc8888 one of these young girls fathers doesn't catch you leering at them. Its a primary school fete FFS, not the sausage jockeys you go to look at. Now behave sonny. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 13

5:38pm Thu 19 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

Just for people who don't know what the sleazy underside of life in the UK is like.... Have a look on the web for the Flags pub in Slough, conveniently by Jn 6 of the A4... their dancers are supplied by the Tease Agency, who no doubt supply many other pubs and the likes of Spearmint Rhino.

I've only been in there twice.... once on my own to miss out on M25 hell and once with a colleague at the end of a boozy evening when we were staying in that lovely town.... but looking at their website, they have a roster posted up that is very comprehensive.

Like it or not, this sleaze is a big and organised industry. I doubt if Mlllicent Tant would go into places like that - http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Millie_Tant
Just for people who don't know what the sleazy underside of life in the UK is like.... Have a look on the web for the Flags pub in Slough, conveniently by Jn 6 of the A4... their dancers are supplied by the Tease Agency, who no doubt supply many other pubs and the likes of Spearmint Rhino. I've only been in there twice.... once on my own to miss out on M25 hell and once with a colleague at the end of a boozy evening when we were staying in that lovely town.... but looking at their website, they have a roster posted up that is very comprehensive. Like it or not, this sleaze is a big and organised industry. I doubt if Mlllicent Tant would go into places like that - http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Millie_Tant marc8888
  • Score: -10

5:45pm Thu 19 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

Sorry M4, not A4 of course....
Sorry M4, not A4 of course.... marc8888
  • Score: -7

5:57pm Thu 19 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

Also... while I think of it, and I'm not making this up. I went for a lunchtime swim in Brockwell Lido today (many compare me to Micheal Phelps - they say "you have less than one percent of his swimming ability and it's a horrible sight seeing you in trunks") ... and there was a photo shoot being done by the poolside. Three women in swimsuits and high heels, pouting and posing. Just sayin'.....
Also... while I think of it, and I'm not making this up. I went for a lunchtime swim in Brockwell Lido today (many compare me to Micheal Phelps - they say "you have less than one percent of his swimming ability and it's a horrible sight seeing you in trunks") ... and there was a photo shoot being done by the poolside. Three women in swimsuits and high heels, pouting and posing. Just sayin'..... marc8888
  • Score: -13

6:19pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Gypo.Joe says...

What has all that bollix to do with a primary school fete and young girls gymnastics ??
What has all that bollix to do with a primary school fete and young girls gymnastics ?? Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 8

7:20pm Thu 19 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

Notalot....
Notalot.... marc8888
  • Score: -7

11:10am Fri 20 Jun 14

Gypo.Joe says...

marc8888 wrote:
Notalot....
I think you are a knickers sniffer, or is it ladies bicycle saddles ?
[quote][p][bold]marc8888[/bold] wrote: Notalot....[/p][/quote]I think you are a knickers sniffer, or is it ladies bicycle saddles ? Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 12

11:29am Fri 20 Jun 14

the wall says...

Any one else got a mental picture of marc8888 as a over weight sweaty balding 45 year old virgin?
Any one else got a mental picture of marc8888 as a over weight sweaty balding 45 year old virgin? the wall
  • Score: 19

1:21pm Fri 20 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

Older than that. Skinny, avoided all sports at school & uni apart from running & tennis. Cycle a lot... Sweat when I do that, push it hard.

Have gone out with women ranging from babes to non-babes.... Prefer the former, but they are usually high-maintenance and/or loopy.
Older than that. Skinny, avoided all sports at school & uni apart from running & tennis. Cycle a lot... Sweat when I do that, push it hard. Have gone out with women ranging from babes to non-babes.... Prefer the former, but they are usually high-maintenance and/or loopy. marc8888
  • Score: -17

1:57pm Fri 20 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

Anyway the point isn't whether or not pole-dancing clubs exist - and they do all over the world, I can assure you (managed to avoid going in any in San Fran a couple of years ago ...and there were five or more just a few doors from each other, just in one bit that I went to... ) ... or whether I should or shouldn't go into them very occasionally (along with a grillion other men and women also...) ... and it is v occasionally for various reasons, mainly the crazy cost of even an hour or so in one.

... but it is about whether what happened in that playgound had any relationship with these clubs - or Kylie's gold hotpants that re-launched her career (and they did) - or dancing girls dangling from hoops in nightclubs.... and I personally think that it's not right and I see no reason to have schoolchildren doing the same routines, but to the Lion King. I also think that perticular combo is really weird. but I suppose that Guns'n'Roses songs would be weirder.
Anyway the point isn't whether or not pole-dancing clubs exist - and they do all over the world, I can assure you (managed to avoid going in any in San Fran a couple of years ago ...and there were five or more just a few doors from each other, just in one bit that I went to... ) ... or whether I should or shouldn't go into them very occasionally (along with a grillion other men and women also...) ... and it is v occasionally for various reasons, mainly the crazy cost of even an hour or so in one. ... but it is about whether what happened in that playgound had any relationship with these clubs - or Kylie's gold hotpants that re-launched her career (and they did) - or dancing girls dangling from hoops in nightclubs.... and I personally think that it's not right and I see no reason to have schoolchildren doing the same routines, but to the Lion King. I also think that perticular combo is really weird. but I suppose that Guns'n'Roses songs would be weirder. marc8888
  • Score: -12

4:36pm Fri 20 Jun 14

_vikkistarr says...

Mark is here to complain about the cost of strip clubs, it seems.
Mark is here to complain about the cost of strip clubs, it seems. _vikkistarr
  • Score: 8

4:37pm Fri 20 Jun 14

_vikkistarr says...

Maybe if Mark saw women as people, he might have more luck :-)
Maybe if Mark saw women as people, he might have more luck :-) _vikkistarr
  • Score: 10

5:07pm Fri 20 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

Interesting comments here - http://zodculture.co
m/the-female-gaze-wo
men-viewing-sexualis
ed-women/

In western society it's impossible to get way from this stuff.... I think that the modesty that some religions prefer (certainly not the burqua!) is just maybe a good idea. Everywhere you go.... billboards, stores as in link, TV ads, magazine ads, waiting in the barbers and a pop video comes on the TV.... just everywhere it's sexualised women.

Very hard not to do an in-the-head rating when lightly-clad women are walking by all the time. Especially if you are having a beer with your equally sad mate. I don't wear short shorts and a singlet... in case somebody injures themselves laughing and tries to sue me....
Interesting comments here - http://zodculture.co m/the-female-gaze-wo men-viewing-sexualis ed-women/ In western society it's impossible to get way from this stuff.... I think that the modesty that some religions prefer (certainly not the burqua!) is just maybe a good idea. Everywhere you go.... billboards, stores as in link, TV ads, magazine ads, waiting in the barbers and a pop video comes on the TV.... just everywhere it's sexualised women. Very hard not to do an in-the-head rating when lightly-clad women are walking by all the time. Especially if you are having a beer with your equally sad mate. I don't wear short shorts and a singlet... in case somebody injures themselves laughing and tries to sue me.... marc8888
  • Score: -8

5:11pm Sat 21 Jun 14

mouthalmighty says...

I haven't been on for a few days; is this now the marc8888 show. I think I get where you are 'coming' from marc, but that dosent make it right. Do any of you remember the ropes at school that we all had to climb. I hated it, but some really liked it and performed all sorts of poses on it. Also, the girls wore navy blue knickers for PE, the ones that were baggy cotton and went right up to the chin. I don't remember sexuality being discussed then.
I haven't been on for a few days; is this now the marc8888 show. I think I get where you are 'coming' from marc, but that dosent make it right. Do any of you remember the ropes at school that we all had to climb. I hated it, but some really liked it and performed all sorts of poses on it. Also, the girls wore navy blue knickers for PE, the ones that were baggy cotton and went right up to the chin. I don't remember sexuality being discussed then. mouthalmighty
  • Score: 7

10:02pm Sat 21 Jun 14

RVD420 says...

before I comment is there any videos of the dancing online?
before I comment is there any videos of the dancing online? RVD420
  • Score: -1

12:20pm Sun 22 Jun 14

mouthalmighty says...

If you're referring to my comment rvd420; we didn't have computers or mobiles and not many had cameras in my day.
If you're referring to my comment rvd420; we didn't have computers or mobiles and not many had cameras in my day. mouthalmighty
  • Score: 2

2:11pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Gypo.Joe says...

mouthalmighty wrote:
I haven't been on for a few days; is this now the marc8888 show. I think I get where you are 'coming' from marc, but that dosent make it right. Do any of you remember the ropes at school that we all had to climb. I hated it, but some really liked it and performed all sorts of poses on it. Also, the girls wore navy blue knickers for PE, the ones that were baggy cotton and went right up to the chin. I don't remember sexuality being discussed then.
Oh those navy blues !! Many happy times watching the girls netball. The early years just as they had started to get their feather were the best.
[quote][p][bold]mouthalmighty[/bold] wrote: I haven't been on for a few days; is this now the marc8888 show. I think I get where you are 'coming' from marc, but that dosent make it right. Do any of you remember the ropes at school that we all had to climb. I hated it, but some really liked it and performed all sorts of poses on it. Also, the girls wore navy blue knickers for PE, the ones that were baggy cotton and went right up to the chin. I don't remember sexuality being discussed then.[/p][/quote]Oh those navy blues !! Many happy times watching the girls netball. The early years just as they had started to get their feather were the best. Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -8

10:47am Mon 23 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

That's my point... PE at school was nothing to do with sexuality, especially at my 11-18 school which happened to be all boys... but young girls in gold hotpants etc on a pole and a hoop ....I personally think is scarily sexualising them... and in a playground of all places.

But to me here is the dichotomy - women do not want to be sexualised or objectified etc... but will spend £££££ on hair/make-up/waxing/
tanning/mani/pedi/cl
othes/bags/shoes.... all to look gorgeous. Which is great for a letchy bloke like me - sitting with a beer outside a Brighton pub watching the world go by. But although they want to look sexy and gorgeous, they don't want men to fancy them or make any kind of judgement.

That can apply to teenagers in miniskirts and heels standing outside kids-pubs and clubs in my high st.... to Carrie and the girls walking into a cocktail bar in NYC, or I guess Helen Mirren in a bikini.... It's all 'look at me but don't look at me' In other words, please please look at me if you are in One Direction or you are George Clooney, don't look at me if you are boring and poor in any way.

The pole-dancing 12-yr olds in the vid are a classic example of the current sexualised western society - whether that is good or bad might depend on if you are an **** star or imam...
That's my point... PE at school was nothing to do with sexuality, especially at my 11-18 school which happened to be all boys... but young girls in gold hotpants etc on a pole and a hoop ....I personally think is scarily sexualising them... and in a playground of all places. But to me here is the dichotomy - women do not want to be sexualised or objectified etc... but will spend £££££ on hair/make-up/waxing/ tanning/mani/pedi/cl othes/bags/shoes.... all to look gorgeous. Which is great for a letchy bloke like me - sitting with a beer outside a Brighton pub watching the world go by. But although they want to look sexy and gorgeous, they don't want men to fancy them or make any kind of judgement. That can apply to teenagers in miniskirts and heels standing outside kids-pubs and clubs in my high st.... to Carrie and the girls walking into a cocktail bar in NYC, or I guess Helen Mirren in a bikini.... It's all 'look at me but don't look at me' In other words, please please look at me if you are in One Direction or you are George Clooney, don't look at me if you are boring and poor in any way. The pole-dancing 12-yr olds in the vid are a classic example of the current sexualised western society - whether that is good or bad might depend on if you are an **** star or imam... marc8888
  • Score: -7

11:03am Mon 23 Jun 14

Gypo.Joe says...

Down Brighton looking at girls.

Are you sure Marc

You aint a little light in ya loafers are you ?
Down Brighton looking at girls. Are you sure Marc You aint a little light in ya loafers are you ? Gypo.Joe
  • Score: 6

11:50am Mon 23 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

That's interesting.... understandably an online thing turned pee owe arr enn to ****
That's interesting.... understandably an online thing turned pee owe arr enn to **** marc8888
  • Score: -6

2:28pm Mon 23 Jun 14

marc8888 says...

Don't have any loafers, but have a natty pair of deck-shoes... It's not just those who walk Bourneville Boulevard to be seen in Brighton.... you should see the totty there on a hot day... local and imported.

And speaking of one-way sexuality/objectific
ation... good old Richard Branson was on the front cover of the business section in yesterday's Telegraph.... being kissed on the cheek by a blonde model in a red 'playsuit' and black stripper-heels. Wonder if that had been a female CEO, she would be kissed on the cheek by a Chippendale-type in boxer shorts and rigger boots or whatever....?
Don't have any loafers, but have a natty pair of deck-shoes... It's not just those who walk Bourneville Boulevard to be seen in Brighton.... you should see the totty there on a hot day... local and imported. And speaking of one-way sexuality/objectific ation... good old Richard Branson was on the front cover of the business section in yesterday's Telegraph.... being kissed on the cheek by a blonde model in a red 'playsuit' and black stripper-heels. Wonder if that had been a female CEO, she would be kissed on the cheek by a Chippendale-type in boxer shorts and rigger boots or whatever....? marc8888
  • Score: -1

12:47am Tue 24 Jun 14

mouthalmighty says...

Women dress to express themselves or to out dress other women. Men do not enter the equation unless..............
...
Women dress to express themselves or to out dress other women. Men do not enter the equation unless.............. ... mouthalmighty
  • Score: 2

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